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[–]the_breadsticks 173 points174 points ago

Wait, they did something other than runescape and those cheesy boardgames?

[–]iarespiff 111 points112 points ago

Not really. Ace of Spades was already out, and free, but Jagex bought it and re-released it at $10 on Steam. And apparently made it suck. But this comic isn't entirely true. Jagex is well involved with their community. At least the Runescape team is. A bunch of them frequent /r/runescape

[–]Cannibal_Moshpit 65 points66 points ago

I went back to Rs to see how much has changed since I had stopped 4 years ago.

Too much. Just too much :(

[–]jz0n 11 points12 points ago

Had the same feeling when I logged in a couple of months ago. When I quit I had 90hp and I was in top 50 for fighters. This was in RS classic.

[–]Neadim 19 points20 points ago

i quit when they killed the community, i used to be on of the richest player and with the amount of party hat, santas, mask, return disk... i bought when i left(since those were always good long term investment).

I probably still am one of the richest out there today but all it does is sit there. One of my friend who still plays from time to time told me that party hat were 'max gold' and i got a dozens of set if not more...

Runescape thought me economics(and english), i used to run a mining company, take order and distribute work to 50+ people then resel all the ores. When they fucked up the trade system and introduced the grand exchange world 2 fally died and so did my company. That was enough to turn me from a basement crawler with a serous gaming addiction problem to a casual player.

The last straw was the Christmas event that required membership and the multiple 'pay to win' stuff they introduced. I also heard they changed combat..

it makes me physically hill thinking about it, i really feel shitty right now, like i lost a friend

[–]DildoChrist 5 points6 points ago

YES, the old rs mining companies. That's how I got started in the game, selling coal to a guy named inuyasha163. As time went on and I got richer, higher level and everything, I began to go to free worlds and employ newbies to do the same for me, which I would then accumulate and take to world 2 to sell for a profit or just use to make a shit ton of cannonballs.

God, I miss those days. They're the reason I typed at around 80wpm in grade 6 and they're where I learned basic economics. The lessons it taught 11 year old me were invaluable, and that sense of exploration and wonder has never been duplicated - for me.

[–]Neadim 2 points3 points ago

Mining/Fishing/woodcutting companies and trade guild/alliance were what made the game for me

i tried a bunch of mmo to try and relive the early day of my adventure but i guess its like drugs, you never quite get the feeling you had the first time...

Stuff is to regulated today, the game keeps telling you what you can and cant do and there is no place for having fun.

Today's game do everything for you, no more bounty hunting scammers, no more roles and grad decided on the run, no more loyalty. No more companies, no more merchant alliances, no more....

Every game i played so far suffer the same fate.
At the beginning there arent enough people to do much but the game is fun nonetheless. Over time, more people join and the game enter a a 'golden age' where player actually care about each other and spend time trying to follow their dream. Finally the game becomes popular and the quality of the userbase goes down, the word 'noob' becomes the most used one and 12yrs old flood the place. The game is still playable but it really isnt what it used to. Its is then followed by hackers, gold farmer and bad decision until the day it dies. Game that live long do really live to see themselves become the villain.

The only game ive found that has both a good playerbase and the ability to play like you want to is EVE online but i, not a space guy so yeah.... i long for the day where

[–]PleasingToTheTongue 16 points17 points ago

WOW a hill? i've heard of a lot of things happen to people from raging but never though of them turning into hills

[–]Neadim 15 points16 points ago

Runescape taught me English, what can i say? The English teacher are good for nothing here.

anyway, thank you for the correction, it made me laugh a bit and i needed that

[–]xKhanix 1 point2 points ago

Same here actually. Before I started playing Runescape as a kid I could barely talk/type well in English. Runescape actually learned me the basics of English that no other teacher had managed well earlier.

Then the rest of the years of Internet + a ton of games made me learn even more.

Just saying. No teaches ever taught me English really. Also I'm Norwegian.

[–]Cyberslasher 4 points5 points ago

The hills are no longer alive.

[–]Scorcho25 1 point2 points ago

They closed their eyes one last time.

[–]SummaDatPurpleStuff 1 point2 points ago

Hmm, you realize you could have sold your bank for a couple thousand USD like a year ago?

[–]Neadim 1 point2 points ago

i dont think ill ever sell them, im really disgusted by the way jagex turned an awesome mmo into some kind of shitty pay to win excuse of a game.

But, im still attached to my memories. About a half a year ago i was really short on cash and i considered selling a few set or my account but i simply couldnt. Like i said, i was an addict and it really is 'engraved' in me, ill probably think about it for the rest of my life

[–]Colololin 0 points1 point ago

there is seriously still a market for those pixels. You can make some serious money before this game shuts down. They are going down in value in real life fast, so I recommend you do it soon.

You will not regret it once they are sold. This game is not the same, but kids will still buy those phats and disks of returning.

Or you could give them to me, and I could sell them :3

[–]SNAAAAAAAAAKE 0 points1 point ago

im really disgusted by the way jagex turned an awesome mmo into some kind of shitty pay to win excuse of a game.

That's what happens when the owner of the company sells all his holdings and completely leaves the company. It goes to some guy looking to make a quick buck out of it and then run for the hills looking for the next quick buck to ruin something over.

[–]Neadim 0 points1 point ago

Never knew he left... it does explain a lot, its a shame, i remember chatting with Paul and Andrew a few time back in classic over a hot forums topic. They were good people

[–]Venonn 0 points1 point ago

Dude, sell your items for real money. If you have multiple partyhats as you say, you can sell them for thousands of dollars.

[–]Im_At_A_10 0 points1 point ago

no picture no proof. but hey if this is true you can make loads of money off those items.

[–]Neadim 0 points1 point ago

if you really want proof badly i could back to my parent's house next weekend(the one after this one) to get back my old hard drive with my password sheet. I could login and take a few screenshot or maybe a video but im reluctant to do it because i am afraid of what i will find. Ever since jagex went crazy with the pay to win i stopped looking at updates because i am afraid to tarnish my few good remaining memories.

i dont think ill ever be able to sell the item for real life cash. Im a gamer at heart and pay to win is probably the most disgusting thing the be introduced in gaming history. its literally the reason why i stopped playing my last 3 mmo. If times ever come when ill need cash to save a life then ill gadly give away my account but for now...

[–]Im_At_A_10 0 points1 point ago

do it bro.

[–]Neadim 0 points1 point ago

i promise nothing so don't take out your 'op will deliver gift' just yet.

I will try and make it happen but its all gunna come down to a combination of road conditions, me living through this awful cold and remembering to do it after my friend bachelor party on the 25th

[–]Im_At_A_10 0 points1 point ago

haha alright dude. don't even do it, i'm not that interested unless you have the pictures readily available.

[–]fattywinnarz 1 point2 points ago

Runescape thought me economics(and english)

Apparently not too well.

[–]Neadim 0 points1 point ago

we can't all be perfect, im probably partially dyslexic even if it never was officially diagnosed and im on my phone(at work) so its actually quite hard to make post with more than 2 sentences.

[–]fattywinnarz 0 points1 point ago

You have no idea how dickish I felt actually making my original comment in the first place. It was just so hard to resist.

[–]Neadim 0 points1 point ago

No problem man, i dont mind it. Like everyone, i also have things that tick me off and that i get really rude about.

[–]KidzKlub 1 point2 points ago

You would have liked 2006scape, but Jagex nixed that too.

[–]Camplify 2 points3 points ago

Hah, just because Jagex is involved with their community does not mean that they listen to them.

[–]fabis 13 points14 points ago

That's kind of not true either. Even though they might listen to the community, they don't do anything to actually fix the issues brought up by the community. It has been pretty obvious for a while now that Jagex is only after money.

[–]Hippokrates 1 point2 points ago

I think its because a new company brought in a lot of investment and they wanted RS to become more of a cash grab. You can see this from the many recentish updates.

Membership let you potentially get all items if you had the money and patience. But now you can also buy items with real money that you can only get from the in game store (Kind of like hats from TF2). I believe the original.

Jagex received an investment from Insight Venture Partners in October 2005, before which the company had been self-funded. In December 2010 The Raine Group and Spectrum Equity Investors invested in Jagex, while Insight increased their investment. Andrew Gower, Paul Gower and Constant Tedder left the board of directors at that time. In January 2012, Insight increased its stake in Jagex from 35% to 55%, giving it a controlling interest in the company. However, in an interview, Gerhard stated that Insight took their 55% stake 13 months prior in December 2010.

From Wikipedia

[–]Henkers 2 points3 points ago

The items from the in game store are not as respected or considered nearly as desirable as hats on TF2, and the overall game changes have made the game better for some and worse for others. I was a huge fan of old PK'ing, but I learned to love PvE and just trying to make money and level stats too, and the current bosses are really fun. I think the only real mistake they made is the rock climbing boot 75k thing; that just brought too much money into the game at nobody else's expense.

[–]Gathorall 1 point2 points ago

What is this boot you speak of ? Did it wreck the economy or something?

[–]DarkwingDuckAvenger 2 points3 points ago

If he's talking about those Sherpa boots you could buy for like 7g, I might have to login and sell the piles of 100's I have sitting in my bank.

[–]passthespliff 1 point2 points ago

Those are the ones. I got a nice surprise too when I first logged in after they updated the prices. got myself a free 1.5M

[–]Henkers 1 point2 points ago

Climbing boots were originally like 500gp and a reward from a very simple quest. Upon completeion you could buy them for like 50gp or something really low. In the grand exchange they were so cheap people would buy like 10k of them... then jagex decided since they are the best boots for pures they moved the price to 75k including the alching price and anyone who had stockpiled them for no real reason made mils if not bils.

[–]Calvinatorr 0 points1 point ago

He means that Climbing boots used to be a good pair of extremely cheap boots that cost about 1k, and had great stats, so they were good for PKing because they were expendable, Jagex caught on and boosted the price to 75k for this.

[–]whyisthisnamesolong 0 points1 point ago

The items you buy with real money are cosmetic skins which you apply to your pre-exiating weapons. Same with armor, it is essentially a skin override. The only items that give any sort of gameplay advantage are bank expansions and the like.

[–]fabis 0 points1 point ago

Yes, that is correct.

[–]Venonn 4 points5 points ago

Heavily involved with the RuneScape community? THAT'S BULLSHIT.

This guy, this guy is a liar.

Source: Played RuneScape from 2005 - 2012.

[–]BitJit 1 point2 points ago

I don't like the re-released wording. They pretty much remade the game, they just have the rights to it's IP. Them making a completely different and not as fun game is why people hate their ace of spades.

[–]AzureBlu 0 points1 point ago

I bought it D:

[–]WHILE_I_POOP 1 point2 points ago

Lol they really don't. Every update is about micro translations, something they said they would never do. They come out with shit updates and the majority of the players outage and jagex just bans them. Then when people make posts of why they banned him its all deleted. Hate the new staff with a passion.

[–]BlinkingZeroes 102 points103 points ago

I've got, and play both versions of Ace of Spades. I'd been playing the original for quite a long time. For the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to the original as OAOS and the new versions as NAOS.

The main difference is that OAOS was a place where stories happened. A battleground of twitchy movement, every player a sniper trying to be aggressive but also trying to keep their head down because one shot was all it took to end your life. It was grisly and it was epic. The battleground would become deformed by war over time, sometimes hours, as trenches were dug, bunkers were erected and bridges were built.

The CTF gameplay made it the perfect build and defend type gameplay. A move against the enemy flag would often be an assault on an entrenched position. Sometimes a multi-windowed fortress filled with snipers that you would sneakily attempt to tunnel into or knock down a brick at a time. It was pure war, and it was fucking brilliant.

NAOS is a very different affair, with gameplay being moved away from large scale sniper warfare to an arcade deathmath. There are miniguns, rocket launchers and jet-packs. Some of the game modes are unique and fun, and many of the maps are intricately crafted (albeit smaller than the originals) impressive pieces of blockcraft.

But it's just not as good. There's no one shot kill meaning there's no trepidation associated with an action. The jet-packs screw up the formation of any war-front meaning that the action is scattered. It's a battleground that amuses, but has not left me wanting to tell any stories.

The round times are much shorter and there's nearly no building as blocks are much more easily destroyed by both explosives and a "drill gun" one class has. One one hand, this means you might see tower bridge or another epic structure topple to the ground... Which is kinda cool, but that doesn't happen as part of a tactical move or even a pursuit of the objective. It'd happen because a player decided to do it instead of actively contribute to his team.

Don't get me wrong, it's fun. It's just not EPIC. And OAOS is intensely epic. It's so right, and I deeply wish that instead of take inspiration from TF2, NAOS had taken inspiration from OAOS and worked to make the feel of that a little smoother with a better server browser. The changes that would have improved what it was, are just not the changes that happened, sadly. And so that I'm not being totally negative, here's what I feel those changes should have been:

Squad system Radial order/objective through squad system, Area mic chat (could have been fun), Ability to draw on the map your team shares, sending to squad/team and the viewers able to filter which they see.

Is there hope? Well, maybe. The engine does seem sturdier and it looks nice... But it'd require a new game mode, re-working of the damage and a restriction of the classes. It's do-able, I think. NAOS has been updating a fair bit and it's an improved experience over launch day.

Apologies for wall of text, OAOS was just... So promising.

[–]dlt_5000 24 points25 points ago

Sounds like they don't understand the concept of games having a set of rules that make them fun and instead just figured, people like miniguns and jetpacks right? Add a bunch of that kinda shit!

[–]powergamer 12 points13 points ago

They're adding a classic mode soon.

This mode will be very much sculpted over time by the community,

[–]BlinkingZeroes 10 points11 points ago

I was unaware of this.

Though really, I worry that the moment has passed. This should have been where the remake started. Why is the community only being listened to post release? Because of poor sales...

The whole development process should have started with including the community. It's a real shame it wasn't, though after hearing the news - I am hopeful.

[–]osmun 4 points5 points ago

Don't buy it.

Google build and shoot. Its Ace of Spaces as it was intended and its free, fuck Jagex let em go under.

[–]BlinkingZeroes 2 points3 points ago

You've sort of not been paying attention. I've bought it, that's why I'm able to write a detailed critique of why one is better than the other.

I don't really understand the "fuck jagex" attitude. Yeah, this was so far a misstep - but really they're only looking to make money by entertaining us. It's nothing to get angry over, just perhaps disappointed.

[–]osmun 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, I replied to the wrong person.

[–]BlinkingZeroes 1 point2 points ago

Then act quickly and save someone from being disappointed! You're too late to save me, I'll only slow you down!

[–]osmun 0 points1 point ago

All my cares have left me :(.

[–]EpicCyndaquil 1 point2 points ago

Hey everyone, don't buy this game for reasons I'll keep to myself. Oh, and while I'm here, fuck the game's developers too!

- Love, osmun.

[–]osmun 0 points1 point ago

Its because they ruined what had the potential to be a great game simply to make money. Luckily, buildandshoot is the original ace of spades and its free and great.

[–]EpicCyndaquil 0 points1 point ago

I disagree, but at least you're beginning to explain why you hate it. Check out my response to BlinkingZeroes if you want a more detailed rebuttal from me.

[–]osmun 0 points1 point ago

Building is a complete waste of time in the paid version, while it is very important in the free version. It pretty much gutted what made the game unique and turned it in to a cookie cutter tf2 clone, and thats why so many people are angry with it and why it got such poor reviews.

[–]EpicCyndaquil 0 points1 point ago

It's not even remotely a TF2 clone. Even if you never build, the ability to destroy blocks is infinitely helpful.

[–]Perservere 1 point2 points ago

They probably wanted to make the game more accessible. Considering what you mentioned, not very many people would enjoy the steep learning curve from being put in long fights where they would die continually considering the one hit one kill situation.

[–]BlinkingZeroes 1 point2 points ago

I semi-understand this, but they also had a captive audience of gamers who were playing and advertising the original. So many people did, and do enjoy the harshness of the one shot kill (for headshots).

Had the remake been excellent and faithful with improvements, it would have had a near instant fanbase, as well as all the positive reception and reviews that come with the territory. That would have amounted to sales.

But hey, I can only assume.

[–]Perservere 0 points1 point ago

I agree with you, but (assumption) I think they probably weren't satisfied with the small fanbase (I for one had never heard of the game, but after watching the trailer really want to try it out. Minecraft with guns sign me up) and wanted to appeal to a much more general audience. I agree that they should have kept a "hardcore mode" which was the original and made different game types ala Halo, but they obviously were either scarce for resources or thought that everybody could enjoy their new game type. I don't think they took the right approach, but had they the game probably would have been much more popular. The idea of building trenches and tunneling through is pretty awesome.

[–]BlinkingZeroes 0 points1 point ago

I'm pretty sure they used up more resources adding all the extra stuff that makes it different, than they would have by faithfully updating. Like you said - people like yourself were sold on "minecraft with guns", which is something a faithful adaptation would have been.

So, in hindsight I think they should have saved money on dev, and pumped it into advertising :)

[–]OAMP 1 point2 points ago

Is this the same mode that the game originally was? I remember when it leaked onto /v/ and 100 players would crash the servers. It was SO incredbily fun that when I saw it on steam three days ago, I instantly bought it only to be deeply dissapointed.

[–]BlinkingZeroes 0 points1 point ago

It looks to be that way, yes.

That's the other things that need fixing : Servers and player counts.

[–]Tsara_Noga 2 points3 points ago

Can you still get/do people still play OAOS?

[–]rakiru 8 points9 points ago

Check out BuildAndShoot.com - it's a community based around the old version and runs a master server since Jagex took theirs down (after saying they'd keep it up).

[–]EpicCyndaquil 1 point2 points ago

no one shot kill

Uh... yes, there is. I typically play Marksman and I get quite a few one hit kills.

round times are much shorter

But 20 minutes is still much longer than most FPS games.

The main issue with the game, in my opinion, is that not only are player-built blocks visible on the minimap, but they are also that team's color, making it a dead giveaway of someone's location if they start building. But that shouldn't stop you from buying the game, as I think it's tons of fun, some of the most fun I've had in an FPS. After playing on a server for about 10 minutes and becoming deeply involved in the game, I stated on global chat, "I don't get all of the hate for this game, it's a lot of fun" (or something similar to that). Nearly everyone on the server replied, and all who did agreed with me, stating things like how long they played for, etc.

So if this game interests you, you should buy it. If you want to wait for the next time it's on sale, I don't blame you simply because everyone's been pretty brutal in their reviews. I had so much faith in the game after watching a let's play, that I bought a four pack and gave away some copies to my friends. If steamcommunity wasn't down, I'd share their play time with you, but I'm nearly certain each one has played for over an hour, indicating 2-3 rounds (and all of them are deeply engrossed in other games currently).

TL;DR: There's a lot of hate, but this game is a lot of fun. Watch a Let's Play or two and decide for yourself if you're interested.

[–]BlinkingZeroes 0 points1 point ago

It should really be no surprise that during an ingame chat discussing the qualities of the game you are currently playing, that you find people who are not wholly critical of the game. :)

Uh... yes, there is. I typically play Marksman and I get quite a few one hit kills.

Some of the classes have "helmets" as perks of that character class and as a result, require a minimum of two headshots.

I think I could support the game a lot more if the classic mode turns out to be well executed. The problem isn't that the game isn't fun - it's that it's not managed to capitalise at all on what made its origins so very promising.

Totally agree on the blocks build colour, though I thought the "flare" blocks were a nice touch. Anyway - I'd say, regarding purchasing - that if you're a big fan of the original, hold off buying until classic mode is released. Otherwise, if you watch all the adverts/LP's and are interested, give it a bash.

[–]rakiru 0 points1 point ago

Great post. The way I see it, the new one was rushed out, with a lot of extra features added to appeal to kids. Considering Jagex's current financial state, this could be true, with them trying to make a quick bit of money to stop them going under.

[–]firex726 0 points1 point ago

Sounds on par with TB's review of the game.

[–]kmofosho 0 points1 point ago

areyou talking about build and shoot? or is there another ace of spades?

[–]BlinkingZeroes 0 points1 point ago

Build And Shoot = OAOS (old Ace of Spades).

Unless I'm mistaken, BaS is the original Ace of Spades with a different multiplayer central server. Since Jagex took the original down despite saying they wouldn't (according to comments here).

[–]DrManhattanUK 22 points23 points ago

As a former Jagex employee, I can verify this is correct.

[–]TheGoodOttoKatz 2 points3 points ago

Another one. We need a subreddit or something.

[–]DrManhattanUK 1 point2 points ago

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

As Gabe Newell, I approve this.

[–]DrManhattanUK 9 points10 points ago

2nd time I've mentioned working in the games industry on Reddit. 2nd time I've regretted it. THIS IS WHY WE LURK.

[–]Minyaden 0 points1 point ago

Mod poppy? :D?

[–]Saepe 0 points1 point ago

Can you elaborate on that?

[–]DrManhattanUK 4 points5 points ago

Probably not much without getting into trouble, but suffice to say I was very glad to get out of there.

[–]COLOLFUL_SHEEP 17 points18 points ago

Why my friends call it "space of aids"

[–]1kn0wn0th1n9 19 points20 points ago

To help them remember where Africa is

[–]lowernest 15 points16 points ago

I think Jagex has started listening to the community for Runescape, but as usual it's still too little too late.

[–]Mattyice318 2 points3 points ago

They don't actually listen. They're very active, but almost nothing gets accomplished from it. You'll see them comment from time to time, but no real questions are actually answered

[–]accdodson 2 points3 points ago

Well, before EOC was launched, the boards were full of hate for it. Like literally, loyal, long-time players threatening to quit were all over the place. Now nobody gives a fuck because EOC is fine. I like it, the only thing it's really even done is made combat easier and more interactive.

[–]Mattyice318 0 points1 point ago

I don't mind EOC, it's the way they're handling it though. It's been months with glitches and bugs, overpowering something and underpowering others. They just made monsters too easy to begin with, so they made them harder. Still easier, but they made them harder. All of a sudden they updated something last week that made almost all high level monsters impossible. People weren't killing things at a tenth of a speed from the week before. Now, after days, they finally reverted it to before. But nothing got accomplished, and they're still too easy.

Stuff like that gets on my nerves

[–]accdodson 0 points1 point ago

I heard that. The other day I went to kill 52 steel drags for a slayer assignment and I spent damn near 25k air runes doing it. I thought I was crazy... a week ago I had the same assignment and it took me like 30 seconds per kill as opposed to 5 minutes a few days back.

[–]Littlebego93 0 points1 point ago

Long time player who quit last year. I just felt like they tried to push out the older community so they could milk the younger ones for their parents cash. Too many cash cow updates, not to mention I submitted a support ticket and literally didn't get a response for months, and this is the second I submitted. It's ridiculous.

[–]King_Lem 0 points1 point ago

Hey, just like most other "community involvement" from game developers!

[–]Mattyice318 0 points1 point ago

Yep!

[–]Qwimpy 8 points9 points ago

AoS was really fun in the beta, Jagex kind of fucked it up.

[–]Inert_Berger 6 points7 points ago

It's still alive: www.buildandshoot.com

[–]Jim777PS3 62 points63 points ago

Give credit to the author.

This is a modified version of his comic.

http://www.hejibits.com/comics/outlook-oust/

[–]DarkwingDuckAvenger 20 points21 points ago

Thanks for linking the original source, but there's a whole shitton of variants on this "meme" going around.

[–]Stealsfromhobos 1 point2 points ago

Not a meme. Template.

[–]DarkwingDuckAvenger 2 points3 points ago

That's why I put "meme" in quotes. Wasn't sure what to call it.

[–]Toreap 1 point2 points ago

It's not a meme or a template, it's a comic people edit, which is just fine, until they remove the source link and original artist's name from the edges of the comic itself. It's completely disrespectful and harmful to any artist to spread the art around without anyone actually knowing who and where it's from.

[–]dszordan -1 points0 points ago

Come on, do we have to give someone credit for going on QuickMe.me and swapping out some text for another?

[–]EmuBat 21 points22 points ago

The original Ace of Spades was, and still is, so much better. It had so much more potential than this new shit.

[–]BubbaWoop 3 points4 points ago

Elaborate?

[–]Tuqui0 22 points23 points ago

It was a grisly WWII game where you would have to build your base and defend your case, there was only a spade, a pick and gun IIRC, gun were deadly and you could kill someone from the other side of the map if you had good aim, the map made it for each team to have a different approach to the game, one would usually dig through the mountain as the other would build more of a base, it's still free and I'm pretty sure there are servers still running it.

[–]jetter10 20 points21 points ago

people can still get it at

http://buildandshoot.com/

[–]AeitZean 7 points8 points ago

The better version is still free? So glad I wasn't robbed by the steam version. I assumed it was just the final release of the same game, not a bastardization, but still didn't get it yet. Thanks for the heads up folks.

[–]SickaNDiRR 0 points1 point ago

I got it and had massive server problems. Close to every server i played hits wouldn't register or the game would freak out like falling through ground.

[–]Darus 1 point2 points ago

How did jagex change it anyway, i haven't bothered trying it.

[–]Tuqui0 5 points6 points ago

Haven't tried it (I did play the old version), but for what I heard, the game now doesn't support building as much as it did before, I mean, there are a lot of exploding weapons that totally obliterate any building, making people just shoot and not build, there're also classes. I would check some reviews for a better idea.

[–]Shadefox 3 points4 points ago

They TF2ed it.

Classes, long TTK (Time to Kill).

[–]King_Lem 0 points1 point ago

This, along with Modern Military Shooter syndrome, is a plague in modern FPS gaming.

[–]jetter10 1 point2 points ago

added classes, flying, more weapons, more game modes.

[–]Momentstealer 1 point2 points ago

TotalBiscuit talks about a number of its glaring issues here.

[–]AstralBacon 1 point2 points ago

I'm pretty sure there are servers still running it.

You're correct.

[–]Luckcu13 0 points1 point ago

Can it run on a Mac?

[–]ants_in_my_keyboard 0 points1 point ago

The top comment also described the game using the not-often-used adjective "grisly". Coincidence?

[–]Tuqui0 0 points1 point ago

If you played the old version, there's a constant fog-of-war that's grey, makes the word pretty much perfect to describe the game.

[–]rootale 11 points12 points ago

"Listen to the community" is not always the answer, developers often know their game design better.

[–]danhezee[S] 8 points9 points ago

In this case, the developers left the project and the publisher threw together a hodge podge of ideas and didnt balance them to well.

[–]TheGreatAntlers 2 points3 points ago

I mean, what the hell does the snow gun even do

[–]Mattyice318 1 point2 points ago

In the case of runescape, it is the answer. The developers are very much messing the game up.

[–]PZMQ 8 points9 points ago

The original Ace of Spades community is trying to rebuild the game over at http://www.buildandshoot.com/ where you can play the original game.

PS. Jagex is a terrible company.

[–]P3T3Reddit 12 points13 points ago

This would be very accurate for runescape

[–]duhbears23 3 points4 points ago

aren't these the people that totally ruined and killed my childhood game.. Runescape?

[–]nicePenguin 3 points4 points ago

[–]terriblecomic 7 points8 points ago

To be fair, the audible parts of the community are often giant entitled whiner manchildren (or legit children) and is a horrible idea.

[–]TundraWolf_ 0 points1 point ago

some people make fun of newer FPS games, saying that they have an average age of 12 for the players. With OAOS it is true, probably even younger than 12. It dawned on me at one point that they were all children, and I felt bad for beating up on them.

[–]morthor 2 points3 points ago

I was part of that community from the beginning, even made one of the first proper server browsers with friends list and the ability to follow your friends into servers.

The game was much better before, when only the original creator, and a few community members were working on it, and on the old voxel engine.

[–]danhezee[S] 3 points4 points ago

morthor come over to http://www.buildandshoot.com/ we miss you

[–]tellmeanother 2 points3 points ago

I know some one that works there. I feel relevant.

[–]cat6_racer 2 points3 points ago

I have no idea who Jagex is, but this strikes me as the way most game companies work. Hell, the way most companies work. Christ, look at Windows 8.

[–]Vulturas 2 points3 points ago

cough2006scapecough

Edit: fucking hell, 2006scape was a big phat phony. Nothing to see here.

[–]AllWoWNoSham 3 points4 points ago

It be dead yo', redirects to the runescape.com website.

[–]MilesLoL 3 points4 points ago

[–]AllWoWNoSham 0 points1 point ago

Wow really is it by the same guy, if so Jagex will rip him apart.

[–]MilesLoL -1 points0 points ago

Not sure, i just found the link through /vg/

Someone already has 99 cooking, so it might be the exact same servers.

[–]GiveMeKarmaOrDie 1 point2 points ago

What's wrong with Ace of Spades? I think it's a great game. It's like TF2 and Minecraft had a baby.

[–]Multisensory 18 points19 points ago

The original was much better before Jagex got involved.

[–]Luckcu13 1 point2 points ago

The original had an amazing Minecraft aspect to it, it was more prominent in the original.

[–]clayalien 1 point2 points ago

I used to work in a place a few buildings down from them. They have a tank out front.

[–]ernie1850 0 points1 point ago

Anyone remember Vertigo?

[–]OddDice 0 points1 point ago

Can anyone give the source on the comic itself?

[–]Hijongo 1 point2 points ago

[–]OddDice 0 points1 point ago

Thank you. Google image search was only giving me other parodies.

[–]Hijongo 1 point2 points ago

I've been seeing a lot of these lately, uncredited. That makes me really sad to see, his comics are really great.

[–]OddDice 0 points1 point ago

After even just a quick glance, I completely agree. I wish more people would give credit to the creators.

[–]Myndsync 1 point2 points ago

this assumes they work in a multi-story building.

[–]OzBoySea -1 points0 points ago

Oh man I like this thing we have going here. This is gonna be a good template for a while, I can tell.

[–]ferna182 0 points1 point ago

"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." (some people attribute this quote to Henry Ford, but you get the idea)

[–]TheHumanFisto 0 points1 point ago

._. I bought the game and can't play it because I have like -1 fps. I have no idea why... it looks like a simple game...

[–]CodyWiedenbein 0 points1 point ago

They made their own vision, and a lot of fans (including me) aren't particularly happy about, though they have in the past promised a 'Classic Mode' which is basically their response to the whole veteran circlejerk that was building up during release, not only that but their most recent blog post (which concerns the Classic Mode) is a much detailed read on how most of the mechanics will stay true to the original AoS and how they're attempting to collaborate with the veteran community on doing it right.

I don't want to say they ruined AoS forever. I'd like to say, and I hope I'm right about this, that they realized their mistake on alienating the community and are attempting to fix it.

[–]kunoburesu 0 points1 point ago

Implement a Grand Exchange.

[–]Koolala 0 points1 point ago

Isn't this listening to the community?

http://www.aceofspades.com/forums/entry.php?18

Also, you can still play the old version for free. Now instead of having one kind of game, there are two. It's not like their trailers tried to make the new version look like the classic game.

[–]Fleskvegg 0 points1 point ago

I dont see why people have such a problem with this game, my friends and i bought the game and we think it's a pretty good game. It has many flaws but that in itself is quite charming. Something along the lines of playing minecraft in alpha.

[–]ibanezninja 1 point2 points ago

i think it's because they paid $10 for a game that is only alpha quality

[–]Fleskvegg 0 points1 point ago

Well i was comparing it with Minecraft because it was equally prised and was a very much praised game even in alpha.

[–]Covenant_Turtle 0 points1 point ago

Insight Venture Partners meeting

FTFY

[–]Internetripple 0 points1 point ago

OMG SURULISLY JAGEX! Ha go to the rs forums its tons of pissed off 10 year olds.

[–]Madkat124 0 points1 point ago

Honestly, I think Runescape has aged healthily. At least they are using the money they get to improve the game. I played runescape religiously years ago and I still think that it's great.

[–]Wizzer_Gizzer 0 points1 point ago

Jagex is owned by venture investment partners.... Not the same company anymore, this explains the extra fees introduced

[–]mishla 0 points1 point ago

I may have just sent that to some I know who works there... maybe that will help....

[–]iskiml0ot 0 points1 point ago

You forgot to make mod mark overweight

[–]cwharton 1 point2 points ago

D-D-D-D-DEFENESTRATION!!!

[–]Supra_Dupra -1 points0 points ago

Runescape is great where it's at. Amazing to see how far the game has come with a team that is in no way as big as other MMOs. I log in still impressed with it every once in a while, it was a big part of my childhood and I like to keep those memories close.

[–]akuracy 0 points1 point ago

RIP Runescape. </3

[–]Asdayasman 0 points1 point ago

Wow, that was made by Jagex?

[–]Alert_the_Press 0 points1 point ago

I bought Ace of Spades and it's not bad, however I did find it to be a bit janky. It felt like there was a lot of lag so the game stuttered a bit and had really long load times, which a game like this really shouldn't have.

[–]tmotom 0 points1 point ago

Let's not forget about John Kleckner over at Hejibits.com for coming up with these hilarious comics. My personal favorites are his roommate comics.

[–]crontab1337 0 points1 point ago

so was I the only one who bought like 8 copies of AoS for friends and we play like crazy?

[–]BrosephRadson 0 points1 point ago

Sup dan, cool to see old community members on reddit :)

[–]skw1dward 0 points1 point ago

Mod Mark is a prick.

[–]Uu_Tea_ESharp 1 point2 points ago

I posted this before, but it's relevant again:

I work at a mobile game company.

Everyone - literally everyone - save for about a dozen executives feels really terrible about what we do to our players.

I, personally, have frequent meetings with the aforementioned executives. They're all baffled as to why profits aren't where they were predicted to be. So, what do they do? They raise prices. They charge obscene amounts of money for "micro" transactions. Then they get upset when even less revenue comes in, and they blame the people making the games.

The solution, I tell them, is simple: Make a fun game. Make it an option to pay if you're going with the freemium model; don't shoehorn your players into it. Lower those obscene prices. Eliminate the paywalls. Think about the user experience, not the bottom line. If the game is fun, it will make money.

The ideas are all there. Hell, I have daily discussions about great game ideas. Unfortunately, anyone in a position to make a difference doesn't want to hear them. They don't want to accept that squeezing our users for every cent they have is a short-sighted and ineffective way to turn a profit. They aren't gamers.

Anyway, I'm sorry. 99% of us feel your pain. Hell, we might even have it worse, because we get to watch games that we've poured our hearts and souls into get cast away within seconds of release, all because our upper management is greedy and clueless.

God, I wish either Riot or Valve would offer me a job...

[–]danimal2011 0 points1 point ago

Funny story, my company actually used to handle Jagex's public relations

[–]KodekGB 0 points1 point ago

This also works for EA & Activision too...

[–]Fusxfaranto -1 points0 points ago

Nice job OP, cropping out that watermark really shows how much you care about artists. I'm sure they really appreciate your respect for them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Maybe you should read this before saying shit OP.

[–]ChrisDuhFir -1 points0 points ago

DEFENESTRATION

[–]Thesos_Antechilles -1 points0 points ago

Jagex ruins everything.

BRING BACK THE WILDY

[–]PoshNoob 6 points7 points ago

It's been back a while now.

[–]Thesos_Antechilles 5 points6 points ago

Not the way I remember it. With the piles of gold and all the gear lost (unless you had Protect Item up) and no ditch

You know: Old School Wildy

[–]PoshNoob 2 points3 points ago

Okay yeah, good point. It's been a while :(