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[–]883XL 310 points311 points ago

My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!

[–]unireed 56 points57 points ago

by the way, that is 1.98 x10-3 mpg or 0.00198 mpg.

[–]SkaveRat 69 points70 points ago

normal US car then

[–]wookiesandwich 118 points119 points ago

Canyoneroooooooo

[–]s4r9am 12 points13 points ago

whip crack

[–]Aquagoat 16 points17 points ago

What kind of mileage does it get?

One highway, zero city.

[–]wookiesandwich 1 point2 points ago

haha, Ranier Wolfcastle... another excellent episode

[–]canadianradio 15 points16 points ago

The old man's remarks will be stricken from the record!

[–]squarebit 5 points6 points ago

Mine gets 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene

[–]lhbruen 9 points10 points ago

PUT IT IN H!

[–]ratbastid 12 points13 points ago

A hectare is a unit of area, not length.

/that guy

[–]Sokonomi 131 points132 points ago

Year > month > day makes more sense in this computer age.

Why? Automatic sorting will be chronological.

This is also how I save my backups.

[–]jamesrom 4 points5 points ago

My first job, I worked in an office and a task was given to me to put a whole bunch of documents in date order (like hundreds of physical paper documents, it took me all day). In Australia we use day/month/year and so I would swap the year and the day in my head to help me efficiently sort them. So yeah, not just useful for computers, it would have saved me a lot of time. It also just makes the most sense.

[–]Not_here_to_be_nice 8 points9 points ago

True, I sort my sextapes like that. But as a good 2nd I'll take our DD.MM.YYYY, which is at least logical, over MM/DD/YYYY.

[–]sojywojum 0 points1 point ago

As a database monkey, ddmmyyyy is just as absurd to me as mmddyyyy. yyyymmdd is the only date format that makes logical sense.

[–]viscence 300 points301 points ago

When I first came across the imperial system, I found it hilarious. I was trying to look up a "grain".

It turns out that a grain is a unit of mass, equal to approximately 65 mg. It comes from "the weight of a grain seed from the middle of an ear of barley". The weight of a wheat kernel was considered 45/64 of a grain of barley. As well as seeming to be the fundamental unit of mass, it's also a third of an inch - a unit of length.

Onwards! In the avoirdupois system, there are 7000 grains to the pound, 16 ounces to the pound, 16 drams to the ounce, which makes the dram, the next largest unit to the grain, a convenient 27 and 11/32ths of a grain. In the other direction there is also the hundredweight (100 pounds) and the short ton (20 hundredweights)

In the Apothecaries' system, things progress slightly more simply from the grain. There are 20 grains in a scruple, 3 scruples in a dram, 8 drams in an ounce and 12 ounces in a pound. Of course, they're not even similar weights as in the avoirdupois system, and there are, for example, exactly 175/384 avoirdupois pounds in each apothecaries pound.

The troy system has a pennyweight which is 24 grains, there are 20 pennyweights to the ounce and 12 ounces to the pound.

All that's left is a stick, which is a cooking weight equal to 4 ounces.

In terms of length, it all seems to start at the inch, which is 3 barleycorns long. 12 inches to the foot, 3 feet to the yard and 5280 feet to the mile, unless of course you're a surveyor in which case you also have the link which is 33/50th of a foot, a survey foot, which is defined as 1200/3937th of a meter (!), 25 links in a rod, 100 links in a chain, and 80 chains in a mile. The mile and foot work out pretty similar to their archaic counterparts. Then there is the hand, which isn't defined in terms of any other unit.

Then there's area! You've got all your standard units of length squared, plus the acre, which is ten square chains.

Volume is where it gets fun. Apart from the cubic versions of the above, volume seems to be based on the space taken up by a particular mass of liquid, and so you have a fluid ounce, which is almost, but not quite in any of the systems, the volume that one ounce of water takes up. Then you have the fluid dram, which is 1/8th of that, like in the apothecaries' system of weight. The disused minim is 1/60th of a fluid ounce. In the other direction, a gill is 4 fluid ounces, a cup 2 gills, a pint 2 cups, a quart 2 pints, a gallon 4 quarts, a beer barrel 31 gallons, an oil barrel 42 gallons and a hogshead 63 gallons. For liquids. For solids, the measure is still based on the volume a certain mass takes up, and so a pint of rice occupies more volume than a pint of water. The relationships between the units seem to be the same as in the liquid case, just that the actual volume is slightly different. There are also two additional units, the peck, which is 2 dry gallons, and the bushel, which is 4 peck.

Because it is difficult to measure the volume of things like wheat, a bushel is generally defined in terms of weight, and so a bushel of maize is the volume taken up by 56 pounds, and a bushel of wheat 60 pounds. This leaves the bushel in the strange situation of being a measure of weight as well as volume defined in terms of the volume of a weight of a liquid that's not quite water.

The real fun really is in derived units, and so you can merrily consider density in bushels per bushel (mass of bushel per volume of bushel = density).

Fahrenheit was constructed so that 0F is the temperature of a solution of ice brine, 32F is the melting point of water, and 96F is body temperature, so that there are 64 intervals between those two unrelated concepts… and the reason Daniel Fahrenheit chose a power of two is that he could construct the scales on his thermometer by bisecting the lines on his scale 6 times. This made labelling the thing easier. Later on, people came along and said that that's not useful and redefined the upper end in terms of the boiling point of water, as 212F. As a result, it's even more arbitrary. Zero is now somewhere near but not quite the temperature of that solution of ice brine, 32F is exactly the freezing point of water, 100F is pretty close to but still warmer than body temperature and 212F is exactly the boiling point of water. What.

[edit] Aside: Avoirdupois sort-of translates as "to have some peas", but it comes from something else. I still find it funny.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points ago

UK shoe sizes also use the barleycorn as a unit. Starting at a hand for child's size zero and adding a barleycorn in length for each size up to a child's 13.5 when it becomes adult sizes.

Measuring feet in hands and seeds. Fucking madness.

[–]Deestan 5 points6 points ago

"A child hand" is a wildly variable size. Basically an arbitrary starting point. And then then go on to measure tiny distances from that? wat

It's like measuring up the cut for a dress by splashing paint on it from a distance, then meticulously cutting along the marks with surgical scissors.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

It's ok, King Henry VIII standardised the hand to be exactly 4 inches. It was a terrible time when royal hand measurers would roam the land cutting off bits of hands that were too large and widening smaller hands by crushing them with rocks.

Even the king of England knew that "a hand" was a fucking retarded way of measuring anything.

[–]StairwayToTruth 12 points13 points ago

I felt a considerable George Carlin vibe from this. While he made fun of the intricacies of the English language - simply via observation - you've done essentially the same thing with the imperial system of measurements. I was actually laughing. Well-written... this is a shining comment.

[–]SchweitzersCat 80 points81 points ago

I'm an American and I don't know anyone personally who could tell you what a grain is. A lot of those units are not widely used.

[–]bugeyes8 67 points68 points ago

Grain is decently well known because it's how bullets are weighed. You'll find plenty of people who know of it.

[–]SchweitzersCat 37 points38 points ago

I'm sure each of those measurements has a domain in which specialists will be familiar with it, but that's different than "widely used". Everyone knows what a mile is. You don't have to be in a certain field to know it.

[–]SpookyAlmond 7 points8 points ago

Interesting, I thought it was literally a count of grains of gunpowder.

[–]johnnyonthegspot 5 points6 points ago

Common misconception, I used to think this as well. It is the mass of the projectile and has nothing to do with the amount of powder. That's why a .223 round is around 55 grain and a .22 is around 40 grain. The .223 has probably 5x as much powder.

[–]bugeyes8 8 points9 points ago

BUT, powder is also measured in grains, so it gets confusing.

[–]angryhaiku 2 points3 points ago

Also morphine, back in the day!

[–]Kitten_herpes 4 points5 points ago

American also, pharmacy tech. I use grain some while becoming a pharmacy tech. Not much but enough to say I know what a grain is.

[–]Zetch88 12 points13 points ago

The point was the ridiculousnes and primitivenes of the system, not if some of them are in common use or not.

Anyone with a brain realises multiplying or dividing with 10 is a way more simple and effective system.

[–]SchweitzersCat 14 points15 points ago

My comment was simply a point of discussion, not an attack on his. If anything, the fact that most Americans are unfamiliar with so many of those units of measurement just goes to his point. We don't know them because they are so arbitrary. No one has to look up a nanometer on a conversion chart.

[–]huyvanbin 28 points29 points ago

Anyone with a brain realises multiplying or dividing with 10 is a way more simple and effective system.

Except that's not really true, if you're doing mental arithmetic. For example, 10 has two prime factors: 2 and 5. 12 has 3: 2, 2, and 3. So you can evenly divide 12 by 2, 3, 4, and 6, but you can only divide 10 by 2 or 5. So already, the 12-system is more convenient because it includes the three most common divisors (2, 3, and 4).

Likewise, the base-2 system for dividing inches is much more intuitive than base-10 (though people do use decimal inches when precision is needed, as in machining). If you're doing a woodworking project, you often have to repeatedly divide by two to get dimensions of your various cuts. So you may need 0.125 (1/8), but you will never need 0.126 and you probably can't cut with that level of precision anyway. So it makes more sense to just remember the number of times you divided by two than the decimal value of that fraction.

Ultimately, I think this debate revolves around two different ways of looking at units: as a way to describe or document objective reality, vs. as a tool to calculate or communicate when you're working.

If you see it the first way, then you will prefer metric. You want the simplest possible descriptive system because anything else is an unnecessary adornment. After all, once you adopt a basis for length (be it the meter, the centimeter, or the inch), there is really nothing more to say. Any length can be expressed as some real number times that length basis. End of story. And since we write our real numbers in base 10, it makes no sense to use any other unit multiplier.

If you see units as a tool, you don't care about any of that philosophical handwringing. You're standing on the deck of a ship and you have to tell a dozen burly illiterate guys what to do to unload several hundred tons of cargo as fast as possible, ideally without damaging it or killing anybody. Or, you're working in a woodshop and you have to cut several dozen pieces of wood as fast as possible so that they'll all match up and make coffins that fit the twelve guys who just died in the gunfight and need to be buried. Then, the answer is, pick a unit that fits the objects you're actually working with, and then use multipliers that correspond to the actual multipliers that you most often encounter in your work.

In traditional Japanese carpentry, they will actually make a specialized ruler for every construction project that encodes everything in terms of the widths of the beams so that they can mark out the widths of the mortises and tenons directly from the ruler without having to worry about write down numbers. This makes sense, if you think about it, because everything has to line up exactly and you're working with pieces of wood worth hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

Today, with computerized everything, these old systems don't make as much sense. However, there's an additional twist: the computer doesn't give a shit how arcane your system is. It's happy to convert between inches, grains, feet, yards, cubits, whatever, all day long.

[–]ZeroNihilist 11 points12 points ago

Except that's not really true, if you're doing mental arithmetic. For example, 10 has two prime factors: 2 and 5. 12 has 3: 2, 2, and 3. So you can evenly divide 12 by 2, 3, 4, and 6, but you can only divide 10 by 2 or 5. So already, the 12-system is more convenient because it includes the three most common divisors (2, 3, and 4).

If you are dividing exactly 1' (12") into halves, thirds, or quarters then yes, it is more appropriate. Likewise if you're dividing 12 cm into halves, thirds, or quarters it is more appropriate. When you're dealing with sizes that can't be so conveniently divided your use case disappears. 13.36 cm is easier to divide than 1' 3.36".

In fact as soon as you introduce the second unit (i.e. mixing feet and inches) your advantage is gone, even forgetting about decimal portions of inches and the like.

Even if we accept your premise that a ratio of 12 was superior, why isn't this rule applied consistently? 3 feet to a yard? 1760 yards to the mile? 11*5*25 isn't exactly the most useful set of divisors. You appear to be espousing the benefits of the imperial system by focussing exclusively on the inch.

Likewise, the base-2 system for dividing inches is much more intuitive than base-10 (though people do use decimal inches when precision is needed, as in machining). If you're doing a woodworking project, you often have to repeatedly divide by two to get dimensions of your various cuts. So you may need 0.125 (1/8), but you will never need 0.126 and you probably can't cut with that level of precision anyway.

You can do power-of-two fractions with metric you know. I don't even get what you're trying to say here. Carpentry works just fine in metric. Then again, maybe I'm just used to the bemused weeping that's the standard method of woodworking in Australia.

Then, the answer is, pick a unit that fits the objects you're actually working with, and then use multipliers that correspond to the actual multipliers that you most often encounter in your work.

And then if you need to interchange between two such systems you have to deal with unit conversions. If only there was some common system with a standardised set of units that allows convenient cross-discipline comparisons.

[–]Kumku 7 points8 points ago

This sounds so Medieval.

[–]opieroberts 5 points6 points ago

Your description of Fahrenheit is not totally right. 0 F is the freezing point of a saturated salt solution because back in the day that is how you got things colder than the freezing point of water. Therefore this was as cold as you could get something. So at the time it made a lot of sense.

[–]McGravin 2 points3 points ago

A "stick" being four ounces pretty much only applies to butter. That is, I have only ever heard of "a stick of butter", such as in the context of a recipe. I have never heard anything else measured using "stick" as a unit.

Butter comes in one pound boxes containing four sticks, hence 16oz / 4 = 4oz.

[–]coronawithlime 2 points3 points ago

10/10 will ask my ex wife to read to me again.

[–]cpcallen 1 point2 points ago

there is also the hundredweight (100 pounds)

Correction: the North American hundredweight is 100 pounds. In Britain, a hundredweight is 8 stone, or 112 pounds, which makes much more sense. (Why would you define the hundredweight as being 7 1/7th of the next smaller unit??)

[–]SchrodingersRapist 63 points64 points ago

Someone explain to the silly foreigners that we don't use 1760 yards to represent a mile ಠ_ಠ it's 5280 feet

In all seriousness though, anyone in the sciences uses metric for their work. It does make things a shit ton easier....although we all know how to convert

[–]gangagang 4 points5 points ago

I'm studying engineering right now and as a US born citizen who has lived in the US for my entire life I do not believe I have used the standard US system outside of miles and lbs since elementary school.

[–]bluebooby 3 points4 points ago

What about material such as US Standard beams and lumber?

[–]Sharpedgs 380 points381 points ago

As a Canadian, all you Americans saying "Well, Imperial is easier" confuses me. It's not easier, you're just used to it. WTF.

[–]formulaicname 18 points19 points ago

As an American, I don't know anyone that says this.

[–]Sharpedgs 1 point2 points ago

All the people in this thread. I don't know anyone who uses Imperial except Americans, so I presumed. I may have been wrong.

[–]formulaicname 2 points3 points ago

We use it reluctantly because it is the status quo. It isn't a belief that Imperial is a better system.

[–]Sharpedgs 1 point2 points ago

Metric Revolution! Just start doing it, and refuse to change!

[–]erikthepace 66 points67 points ago

As an American, I am supremely jealous of the metric system. The date format would throw me off for a while though, just out of habit.

[–]KazMux 29 points30 points ago

Honestly I don't care which one is used, just as long as each country used the same damn format..

[–]davidsmeaton 14 points15 points ago

only america, liberia and burma (from memory) are the only countries which use imperial measurement. the UK and a few other countries use both, but i know that the UK government is trying very hard to get rid of imperial completely.

so yeah, 200 countries use the same format - metric.

[–]someguyinahat 2 points3 points ago

Actually, Burma doesn't use imperial. You probably saw that graphic of "countries that don't use metric." They use a system all their own.

[–]davidsmeaton 2 points3 points ago

i've been to burma. twice. they use a few different systems, depending on the situation. there is a lot of imperial though - miles, acres, square feet, etc. they use some metric (kilometres) and they also have their own local measurement values. the government is considering changing to metric, but i don't know how that's going.

they're also the only country in the world where people drive on the right side of the road and the steering wheel is also on the right ... so the driver is next to the curb/gutter. it's pretty nuts ... but that's because their leaders are completely nuts.

[–]Spekingur 97 points98 points ago

Of course the Imperial is easier. They have cookies.

/hums Imperial March

[–]monk_mst 53 points54 points ago

I am for the stormcloaks and I despise imperial presence.

[–]killer-fel 47 points48 points ago

Rebel scum

[–]DrXenu 27 points28 points ago

I prefer metric, but I am used to Fahrenheit instead of Celsius

[–]ColonelCorn 48 points49 points ago

With Fahrenheit you can put your thermostat on 69 and not die.

[–]Amunium 137 points138 points ago

In Finland you can put your thermostat on 69° C and people will complain that your sauna is a bit chilly.

[–]upsidedownpantsless 6 points7 points ago

That's 156° F. Now you don't have to google it yourself.

[–]TheStalkingStalker 9 points10 points ago

Not only finland....

[–]Rizlaaa 14 points15 points ago

come to the uk and use both.

we use a mixture of both, unless your sciencing, in which case its all metric, its just easier.

[–]weasleeasle 36 points37 points ago

As a young Brit, I have no idea how much an ounce is, what the scale is for Fahrenheit, how yards work, how many pounds in a stone, or the distance of a furlong. My knowledge of miles is little better. Basically I think for the younger generations imperial is increasingly becoming pure gibberish.

[–]Ito15 9 points10 points ago

What's awkward as a somewhat young Brit is the few places where imperial units are still used. People know their weight as, say, 10 stone 5 pounds, but they don't know what that is in relation to, say, 50kg. Same story for height in feet and inches but measuring in centimetres/metres. We buy some drinks like milk and alcohol in pints, then others like soft drink and squash in litres. We measure short distances in metres, but long ones in miles, then very long ones (like mountain peaks) in metric again as kilometres. Most people of our generation don't even know the conversion rates between imperial and metric. I don't know if the rest of Europe is much better, but the UK is a long way from a fully metric system.

[–]butch81385 9 points10 points ago

As an American that studied in Leeds for a semester, I can confirm that no one knows what's going on in England....

Drive under one overpass and it has a sign "Clearance 10ft (3m)". Drive under the next one and the sign reads "Clearance 3m (10ft)". Drive under a third one and it says "Clearance 5".

Someone in one conversation told me that they were 5'6" tall, the pub was about 50 meters away, and they lived 5 miles from the university.

In a pub, I spoke with an 18 year old who didn't understand Fahrenheit, and next to him was a 75 year old that didn't understand Celsius.

After seeing this, I realize that if the US were to "implement" the metric systems, it would probably take 2-3 generations minimum to get everyone on the same page.

That being said, I still prefer Fahrenheit as I could care less about the temp of water, but prefer to know how temperature affect me personally (0 is a cold winter day with temps in the negative being when you don't want to go outside, unless you are Canadian or crazy, and 100 is a hot summer day with temps over 100 being when you don't want to go outside, unless you are from Arizona or crazy).

(side note, as a structural engineer we actually use a unit called a Kip, which is short for Kilo Pound, or 1000 lbs).

[–]Ito15 3 points4 points ago

couldn't care less, and yeah, that pub anecdote is exactly how it is here, no exaggeration required. People will happily use them in the same sentence without even realising they're doing it. People will talk about the amount of pounds per metre a certain object has without blinking.

I don't really understand Fahrenheit, especially since warm and cold are relative depending on where you live. Either way, there are about 10 numbers you need to memorise to get you through life (freezing point, boiling point, cold outside, normal, warm outside, hot outside etc), so no matter what system, it's fairly easy to have it functioning. What I will say is that the difference between 1 degree and another is virtually indistinguishable in Celsius (by people), so the extra level of detail of Fahrenheit seems unnecessary in day-to-day life.

[–]pointlesspoint26 14 points15 points ago

ahem Kelvin

[–]Dottn 7 points8 points ago

Then again, Kelvin is based on the Celsius scale. Much like how Rankine is based on Fahrenheit.

[–]Sharpedgs 2 points3 points ago

Fair enough. I can really only accept Kelvin as an objectively good temperature scale.

I mostly like Celsius because I'm used to it. I mean, seriously, freezing is 0, boiling is 100, but body temp. is 34 and room temp is 22? However, I do know that my breath won't fog until it's below 4 degrees.

[–]StickyDragon 5 points6 points ago

I remember having this argument with my grandfather who hated metric. he was convince that imperial was easier. How is it in any way easier? You just move a decimal point when converted from one measurement to another, how is that difficult? The result was about the same as trying to convince a creationist that they are wrong though.

[–]Lettertjes 8 points9 points ago

And don't forget the measuring units for cooking! I have a few American cookbooks and in stead of telling me to use a kitchen scale for my solids and a measuring beaker for my fluids, they want me to use cups. I have at least four different sizes of cups in my cupboard and I have no idea wich one to use. And how do I measure 1/8 of a cup? And how do I measure 'two cups of spinach', should I just throw the spinach leaves in or really press them together to fill the entire cup? It's very confusing.

[–]allymumu 11 points12 points ago

A cup is a standard unit of measurement in cooking, so you wouldn't use an ordinary one out of your cupboard. And yes, you would press the spinach in to fill the entire cup. Pretty simple.

[–]davidsmeaton 9 points10 points ago

what's even funnier is that the american military uses metric ... if they can learn it, there's no excuses for anyone else!

[–]duckmurderer 4 points5 points ago

The American Military uses all forms of standards. It's mostly based off of the needs for the measurements and manufacturers of the products used.

[–]MattOSU 1 point2 points ago

When I was in the army people used metric in name only. They would tell you how far something was in metric but if you asked them the same info in standard they would give you the same number.

[–]Sokonomi 292 points293 points ago

Dont forget that AM PM bullshit. Nigga, a day has 24 hours, count to 24.

[–]KazMux 23 points24 points ago

Also another thing I would like the world to just agree upon:

http://www.statisticalconsultants.co.nz/weeklyfeatures/WF31.html

Style A: 10,000,000,000

Style B: 10 000 000 000

Style C: 10.000.000.000

Style D: 10’000’000’000

Style E: 10˙000˙000˙000

Style F: 100,0000,0000

Style G: 10,00,00,00,000

[–]Sokonomi 7 points8 points ago

Dots and commas fucking up ALL your fractal calculations.

[–]Gaffaj 17 points18 points ago

7eleven Would only be open four hours a day.... not very convenient!

[–]Sokonomi 7 points8 points ago

Isnt there something like 24/7?

[–]NinthNova 2 points3 points ago

Whoa. I did NOT know that 7eleven meant 7:00 - 11:00. That just blew my mind.

[–]Tannz0rz 24 points25 points ago

You really only count to 23.

[–]crossower 80 points81 points ago

On the other hand, I'd rather use 5 PM than seventeen o'clock.

[–]Spekingur 113 points114 points ago

You say five o'clock but write seventeen.

[–]youareiiisu 25 points26 points ago

How does that help in a conversation? You'd still have to tell them either 5 pm or seventeen.

[–]Blubbey 91 points92 points ago

Well generally things aren't done at the same time. For example a rave and lunch. Which one is more likely to occur at midnight or noon? It's not like someone asks when breakfast is, they say 7:30 for example and you ask if it's am or pm, right?

[–]nomcopter 54 points55 points ago

Ha, I love how a rave is your goto example of a late activity. I support this idea.

[–]elad661 18 points19 points ago

you say "5 o'clock in the evening"

[–]benjick 11 points12 points ago

Swede here; this check out.

[–]ZorglubDK 27 points28 points ago

Do you say am/pm every time you make plans with someone? It's usually a given.

[–]Sokonomi 32 points33 points ago

Explain 12AM and 12PM, That will drive anyone insane.

[–]crossower 41 points42 points ago

Midnight and noon?

[–]JavaLSU 27 points28 points ago

Thanks a lot...now I'm fucking insane!

[–]kaiyotic 7 points8 points ago

so how is it logical that after 11PM comes 12AM and after 12 AM comes 1AM? seriously? makes no sense to me at all.

[–]soulblow 2 points3 points ago

PM = Post Meridian (after midday)

AM = Ante Meridian (before midday)

This is where it can create confusion.

12:00 PM is midday, so technically it can't be PM or AM.

However, 12:00:01 PM is technically after midday.

So if 12:01 is PM (after midday) then that logic just extends to 12:00 to avoid the noon hour from switching from AM to PM within a minute.

tl;dr: PM means after 12:00 (midday). So the moment after a clock strikes 12 it's past midday.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the reason 12 is used is because it's based on the face of a 12 hour clock. Which has been around for much longer than the US.

[–]kaiyotic 1 point2 points ago

well yeah in my logic it would have been 11:59AM becomes 0:00 PM because you are at that moment 0 minutes after noon. when I read 12PM I think 12 hours past noon.

[–]mrsrobinson 17 points18 points ago

am = ante meridian (before midday/ noon) pm = post meridian (after midday / noon)

Technically, the correct way to write noon is 12:00 m. I've only actually used it one time when required to do so by my boss as most people would be confused by it.

[–]demontraven 4 points5 points ago

After Midnight and Past mid-day. That's how I remember.

[–]Blackspur 1 point2 points ago

How would that drive anyone insane? Anyone with a Primary school education, hell even no education at all could tell you the difference.

[–]Sokonomi 0 points1 point ago

The am/pm system makes about as much sense as "Its a quarter past fish".

Its a random unnecessary divider that serves no purpose.

[–]cauchy37 6 points7 points ago

In my language it's easier to say and write seventeen o'clock rather than 5 PM (mainly because we do not have short version for PM like you do), i.e. "siedemnasta" vs "piąta po poludniu".

[–]scribby555 3 points4 points ago

I have a 26yr old friend who never grasped AM vs. PM. We recently had a discussion about it and he showed that he understood with the summary of "So AM is the morning, and PM is the rest of the day." He is not a genius.

[–]whitey_sorkin 0 points1 point ago

So we should change to clocks that have 24 numbers? Don't hold your breath.

[–]whataboutkelvin 33 points34 points ago

What about Kelvin

[–]appmanga 66 points67 points ago

That fucker owes me twenty dollars!

[–]dan_sundberg 32 points33 points ago

You got lucky, he owes me $273

[–]andyrob37521 15 points16 points ago

was intended to have the same increments as Celsius so that calculations were the same, but was aligned with theoretical absolute zero.

[–]shlam16 39 points40 points ago

Was intended to have

Has*

[–]Mikey_js 48 points49 points ago

In England we tend to use Celsius when it's cold so we can say 'fuck it's -2' and then Fahrenheit when it's hot so we can also complain about that.

[–]Eklitias 95 points96 points ago

'fuck it's -2'

As a Russian I find this hilarious.

[–]Not_here_to_be_nice 68 points69 points ago

To be fair as a Russian you are probably drunk and find a lot of things hilarious.

[–]Eklitias 54 points55 points ago

As a Russian I find this offensive. Drinking is a serious process and nothing to laugh about.

[–]IrritatedRuskie 12 points13 points ago

As another Russian I propose we beat the shit out of them for laughing at drinking, братишка.

[–]chris_w 5 points6 points ago

Also in Sweden. Past two winters have been more or less about -25 to -30 , even in the mid to southern parts of sweden for the better part of the winter months (Nov to March). Past two winters has been freakishly cold though.

[–]DukeCanada 4 points5 points ago

As a Canadian, I'm laughing my ass off. Well, time to go shovel the snow...Fuck

[–]jarchh 11 points12 points ago

I'm English, and other than American's I've never seen anyone use Fahrenheit in my life.

[–]trixter21992251 5 points6 points ago

As a European I can reveal that our real agenda in space is to adjust our orbit so a year will be 1000 days.

Additionally all our windmills are actually powered propellers, adjusting the earth's rotation, so a day will be 100 hours.

But don't tell anyone.

[–]jaedalus 167 points168 points ago

The US didn't invent the units in use here. We inherited them, and are too unmotivated to switch away.

After 6 years of physics, I still think of myself as 5'11", not 1.8m. I can at least gauge how big a meter is as roughly above my waist, though. 5km = 3.1 miles is also helpful.

The kilogram is easy to remember, because it's about 2 lbs.

Since water's boiling/freezing points are so strongly affected by purity, it made a terrible reference point for many years. Instead, Fahrenheit's scale was based on a brine solution that made for an easier standard. Other than the water temps 32F<->0C, 212F<->100C, it's helpful to remember 25C as "room temperature" (77F), the STP reference temperature.

If you think metric is all that, you would hate electrodynamics. It makes more sense to use units where the speed of light is 1, etc., in some cases, even though these make no sense to us.

Units are useful because they're actually useful, not because of some arbitrary inherent "niceness."

For example, atmospheres make way more sense than Torrs or Pascals for pressure. Gauss is a lot more useful than the Tesla, which is stupidly large magnetic field. A Coulomb is a lot of charge, we usually use the elementary charge instead. Etc...

[–]andyrob37521 8 points9 points ago

The one that gets me is the Farad. It is a ridiculously large unit; especially in context of the technology available at the time of its conception.

[–]QuantumJack 14 points15 points ago

The farad is a derived unit. [F] = s4 *A2 /(m2 *kg). All of those others are useful, reasonably sized, everyday units, so either you change one of those (much more common) units, or you put up with saying "micro" a lot.

[–]ferrospork 20 points21 points ago

Saying 25C is 'room temperature' is proof that you aren't from England. Not that theres anything wrong with that. Its just an observation.

[–]tombsar 36 points37 points ago

Even in England, GCSE students are taught that 25C (298K) is room-temperature for scientific purposes.

[–]ferrospork 30 points31 points ago

Really? I was taught 21C is room temp or 20C for approximations. Bloody global warming.

[–]KamiKagutsuchi 26 points27 points ago

yeah even in Norway (aka frigid hell) we use 25 C as room temperature for scientific purposes. But if it was actually 25 C inside, I would complain about how hot it was.

[–]dragodon64 8 points9 points ago

Standard Ambient Temperature and Pressure (25C and 100kPa) are conditions for chemical reactions, the first half of which is often referred to as room temperature.

Edit: corrected by /u/hugezeldafan

[–]hugezeldafan 1 point2 points ago

STP is 0˚C and 1 atm

[–]weasleeasle 5 points6 points ago

I have no idea how much a pound is, but a kilo is 1 litre of water. So easy.

[–]clevesteam 1 point2 points ago

What about a litre of cola?

[–]naich 2 points3 points ago

But when doing calculations with these units, having them in multiples of 10 of each other makes things somewhat easier. Imperial is handy for visualising things, metric is far better for working with.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

Imperial is handy for visualising things

Only because you're used to imperial. It's easy for you to visualise a pound or a pint because that's what you're used to. It's easy for me to visualise a kilo or a liter because that's what I'm used to.

[–]a_clever_funny_name 14 points15 points ago

Also, the D-M-Y vs M-D-Y is basically the difference between saying the 7th of July, 2058 and July 7th, 2058

so from a linguistic perspective it makes sense to go mm/dd/yy

Edit: In the context of the mostly english speaking USA, it makes a bit of linguistic sense

[–]Azzaman 65 points66 points ago

I prefer yyyy/mm/dd, because sorting filenames named like that will put things in date-wise order

[–]Phapeu 9 points10 points ago

And it works nicely when you continue on with the time.

Either yyyy/mm/dd/hh/mm/ss or yyyy/mm/dd/hhmm. The second one finishing with the twenty-four hour clock.

[–]NavarrB 6 points7 points ago

Japan likes it too

[–]Plyson 39 points40 points ago

Yeah well Japan likes a lot of weird things

[–]HellaAaron 7 points8 points ago

[–]viscence 36 points37 points ago

How do you mean, "makes sense" "from a linguistic perspective"? I still prefer "7th of". Could it be that you're just used to the other way?

[–]AdjectiveNounMan 4 points5 points ago

Well if we want to get language involved, saying July 7th is closer to how we talk ever since the apostrophe was invented. No longer do we have to say "the dog of Jeff's" to refer to Jeff's dog. Saying the 7th of July is like saying July's 7th, or July 7th. Basically, when we learn the possessive form in school, we are taught that "something of something" is clunky and outdated, because it is the old way of doing things. So while from a numerical standpoint "day, month, year" makes sense, from a language standpoint us saying July 7th is just cutting out the "of" of an outdated possessive form.

[–]weasleeasle 4 points5 points ago

I don't understand your logic. From my perspective 7th of July, 2058 is linguistically more sensible. Because I am used to that, how is mm/dd/yy any more sensible other than it sounds right in your head?

[–]linkn11 13 points14 points ago

Another weird scale we have is for the difficulty of a climb. In the U.S. technical climbs grades are easy (5.5) to world class (5.15) so the middle grades are around 5.8, 5.9, 5.10. Meanwhile most of the rest of the world is on a logical 1-10 system...

[–]scribby555 7 points8 points ago

Thank you. As an amateur climber, I didn't realize there were different scales.

[–]leafythegreat 12 points13 points ago

A 10 x 10 x 10 cubic centimeter box contains 1 liter of water.

I have no idea how many cubic inches are in a gallon of water, and I live in the US.

Trust me, I really wish we could switch to metric, too. All those easy conversions...

[–]longestline 13 points14 points ago

(and that cube weighs exactly 1 kilogramm :)

[–]WazWaz 4 points5 points ago

And a 1m cube of water weighs a tonne (a megagram).

[–]jamesf797 1 point2 points ago

communist

[–]MattOSU 1 point2 points ago

Have you ever needed to know how many cubic inches are in a gallon?

[–]joefoe55 96 points97 points ago

In the words of Burnie Burns: the Fahrenheit scale isn't based on water, it's based on the living conditions of humans. If you see a temperature below 0 or above 100, you know you have to watch out because the odds increase drastically that you may die.

[–]bmorekkilla 17 points18 points ago

Welcome to the science portion of the podcast. Gavin said something stupid and Gus and I responded in a way that confused him but a three year old could it.

[–]ThomasLloyd21 8 points9 points ago

Just look at the link dump for the right answers

[–]LNMagic 13 points14 points ago

100 F is uncomfortable, but it's not that bad when you're used to it.

[–]Nightfalls 7 points8 points ago

Once it hits 120 I just wanna die anyway. I'm happier in the low 60s. I think the Fahrenheit scale is best for human confort for sure. 0 is pretty damn cold, but fairly survivable, while 100 is annoyingly warm, but again survivable.

[–]dunno260 20 points21 points ago

That has nothing to do with why the scale was the way it was, it just works out that way.

[–]alittletooquiet 7 points8 points ago

It has something to do with it. The temperature of the human body was one of Farenheit's reference points when he invented the scale.

[–]Tjonke 4 points5 points ago

If you see below 0 or above 100 you are in trouble also if it's on the Centigrade scale =)

[–]jabr92 17 points18 points ago

Below 0 is okay. Above 100 is you are absolutely fucked.

[–]Tjonke 0 points1 point ago

Just meant that if you are outside @ 0 degrees C without clothing for it you are screwed eventually. I live in the northern parts of Sweden so ofc I know that you aren't dead @ 0 C but you need to dress to cope with it. Prolonged exposure to 0 degree C eventually leads to hypothermia.

[–]Amstmill 14 points15 points ago

Personal perference; Year, month, day. That's the order it says on my computer and that's the order I will write it.

[–]Frap_Gadz 7 points8 points ago

What I don't understand is that in the UK we are officially taught metric in schools, all products are measured in metric units but we still use imperial measurements on our roads. It was only when I learnt how to drive I really found out what a yard was, I always thought this was kind of dangerous. I know people my age that drive and still have no concept of how long a yard is, even though all of our road signs either use yards or miles to display distance.

[–]Chimie45 8 points9 points ago

Literally the only time I have ever used a yard to measure anything is in Football (American Style)

[–]lukemerrett 7 points8 points ago

As a database developer; the US MM/DD/YYYY format is the bane of my existence; especially as 10/08/2012 could be US or UK format.

Though in fairness; British Summer Time is also a pile of bollocks

[–]IrishPrime 2 points3 points ago

As a database developer, use the internal datetime type or UNIX timestamps. If you're accepting raw user input for dates things are already wrong.

But I know that feel. I've had to maintain websites which had a single text input for the date with no direction to the user, no sanitization, and no validation.

[–]Hobbycoder 10 points11 points ago

Rest of the world still has their failures:
123 : English: onehundred(100)-twenty(20)-three(3)
123 : German: einhundert(100)-drei(3)-und(and)-zwanzig(20)
French is even more fucked up.

[–]Tjonke 13 points14 points ago

Still think the way the French say 99 is worse.

Quatre Vingt Deux Neuf (4 20 10 9) (4x20+10+9)

[–]Zetch88 2 points3 points ago

What you just said is 4 20 2 9.

Dix = 10

[–]Kadrik 1 point2 points ago

*their and 123: Cent(100)-vingt(20)-trois(3)

[–]Hobbycoder 2 points3 points ago

Fuck, first time I got that wrong. Yeah with that example, French numbers seem very rational. But what about 84?

[–]camerajack21 2 points3 points ago

I always think it's really strange when Americans leave out the 'and' in bigger numbers. In British numbering we still have that 'and' in there; One hundred and twenty three. I guess it goes back to when the number system was originally being constructed. Better than the Roman system at least.

[–]AndersLund 2 points3 points ago

In Denmark, we have the same problem, but we also have a solution, that nobody uses:

123: Normal Danish: Ethundrede(100)-Tre(3)-og(and)-tyve(20)

123: "Optimized" Danish: Ethundrede(100)-To(2)-ti(10)-tre(3)

The trick here is to say "To" and "ti" with no pause. I guess, that the English numbers are designed that way.

[–]relotrl 26 points27 points ago

Doesn't the UK use it too?

[–]Ravuz 43 points44 points ago

you got downvoted hard but I'ma answer you. The UK uses a bastardised mix of both. We still use miles, cus no nobody really wants to move to KM. But we use litters and grams for liquid/weight. Except most people still use pounds/stone for the weight of -people- and we still mostly use feet and inches though you do hear both. unless you're talking about the height of -people- in which case it's ALWAYS feet and inches. We got half way through switching to metric then stopped giving a fuck, pretty much. edit: I forget temp, everyone under the age of like 40 uses degrees C

[–]SlashmanX 12 points13 points ago

Unless it's hot outside, then the papers go mental that it's OVER 100 DEGREES!!!!!!!Fahrenheit

[–]EXPONENTIAL_GROWTH 5 points6 points ago

pounds/stone is still used by a lot of people, you can see kg creeping in though, and, people over 40 use Fahrenheit? Wha? I've never heard anyone use anything but C in the UK.

[–]cube1701 0 points1 point ago

Don't forget that the UK (and I imagine a lot of "metric" countries) use the imperial measurements for one thing: drinks in bars.

Do anyone in a metric-using county go up to a bar and say "half a litre of larger, please?"?

[–]morphinapg 1 point2 points ago

Fahrenheit isn't a scale based on water, it's based on typical earth temperatures. 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot.

[–]masters1125 0 points1 point ago

While that is true and practical, I think it was actually based on something else.

Source: non-existent

[–]FINDtheCURE 3 points4 points ago

As an American engineering student, I can confirm our system is an absolute pain in the ass to use and that metric is the way to go.

[–]boognish616 23 points24 points ago

I do like having a foot as 12 inches. 12 is a superior base unit than 10. When I am doing design or paneling a comic page or even arranging a room I appreciate the 12. 10 is divisible only by 1, 2, 5, & 10. 12 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12. With a 10 base their is never a true third.

[–]el_bhm 2 points3 points ago

Yep, scientists are proven stupid to use metric. Because comic panels.

[–]admiralwaffles 2 points3 points ago

You'll notice that a lot of Imperial units are based in multiples of 4 or 6, since they're easier to break down. Just look at volume--1 gallon = 4 quarts = 8 pints and so on down the line.

[–]Tartantyco 8 points9 points ago

It's not as if it's illegal to use base 12 in metric, or just use numbers that are divisible by three when that is more appropriate. This is just a nonsensical argument.

[–]ExplainsYourJoke 4 points5 points ago

Show me your base 12 metric ruler right now. It doesn't exist? I DIDN'T FUCKING THINK SO!

[–]aaron552 10 points11 points ago

Metric "rulers" are typically 30cm long. Divisible by 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 10, 15, 30

EDIT: derped

[–]AdverseYaw 2 points3 points ago

I don't think you meant to put that 4 in there.

[–]whitmell 3 points4 points ago

[–]capt_0bvious 5 points6 points ago

omfg. this shit is old.. why the fuck are there 60 seconds in a minute, and 60 minutes in an hour but only 24 hour in a day. fuck you that's why.

[–]Onzez 12 points13 points ago

I'm from the US. I wish we used what everyone else does, it just seems so much easier.

[–]Darkhorse808 0 points1 point ago

'Thats how dad did it, that's how America does it.....and it's worked pretty well so far.'

[–]SkiThe802 0 points1 point ago

The Imperial system is based off of things that are easy to remember. For instance, a mile was the distance that a Roman Legion would march at a time. A foot is about the size of a large foot with a shoe on it. An inch is the distance between the last two knuckles on your fingers. It's much easier to estimate with Imperial Units, but the metric system is better for scientific calculations.

[–]greymud 0 points1 point ago

The US system of measurements makes as much sense as getting karma for reposts of reposts.

[–]zanbato 0 points1 point ago

Let me explain. It's was people are used to, but for anything important like science we use metric. And don't you fucking pretend that the US is the only place that uses weird fucking measurements in every day conversation.

Finally this should have been posted to circlejerk, as it's the 100000th time this exact post, with this exact set of comments has appeared.

[–]jebascho 2 points3 points ago

I imagine this is what non-Americans think of Imperial Units:

"Seventeen silver Sickles to a Galleon and twenty-nine Knuts to a Sickle, it's easy enough."

[–]Tremdog 0 points1 point ago

Does everyone realize that all of these scales are arbitrary?

[–]Franko85 1 point2 points ago

What astounds me is that Europeans forget where the standard system came from....

[–]bohemianmichfestie 2 points3 points ago

As a worker in the medical field, this drives me NUCKIN FUTZ.

[–]rewrewsuh 2 points3 points ago

doesn't matter, nobody does temperature right. most wouldn't find the change too difficult to understand either.

[–]TheOneBritishGuy 4 points5 points ago

To be fair, us Brits use all the stupid measurements. We just somehow manage to get the date in the right order.

[–]opekta 1 point2 points ago

I'm British, and we still use pounds, stones (14 pounds), miles, ounces, pints etc. We have the metric system too, like milk comes in litres (liters everywhere else in the world).

So basically, that whole graph is Britain, and how fucked up our duplicitous system is.

Also, it does annoy me slightly that the USA thinks it invented/is the sole user of, these things.

[–]Ikimasen 2 points3 points ago

No, now, hang on, WE don't think that, everyone else just acts like we invented it and keep it with our guns.

[–]Dugen 2 points3 points ago

yyyy/mm/dd is the only way do dates. All other methods are demonstrably wrong and broken.