Scoreboard, since 2000. Team Israel: No Restrictions.

MR_WITTY_RESPONSE · 2012-11-18T13:34:17+00:00

I'm getting some popcorn and when I come back this thread will be a war zone

fawker · 2012-11-18T15:26:51+00:00

Wow, I was really wondering how I ended up in /r/politics.

Atario · 2012-11-18T12:18:09+00:00

I'm not sure I understand the first three numbers. For example, are those children that side has killed, or children that side has had killed by the other side?

70000 · 2012-11-18T13:05:50+00:00

Wow it's great that the world is so black and white

AmericaFarGone · 2012-11-18T15:12:12+00:00

Wait, the Palestinians have never violated any resolution of the United Nations? So there's no resolution against firing rockets into civilian territory as an act of religious vengeance? Nothing in the history of United Nations law could possibly be interpreted to suggest that maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't do that?

IAmTheRedWizards · 2012-11-18T15:55:34+00:00

"May not receive outside help", eh? I guess they designed and built those shiny new launchers capable of hitting Tel Aviv all on their own then. Fucking MacGyver-level folks over in Gaza.

Knov · 2012-11-18T12:42:57+00:00

oh boy here we go

valleyshrew · 2012-11-18T16:00:29+00:00

I wonder why so few Israelis die. Maybe because they have the highest number of bomb shelters per capita, the highest number of doctors per capita, a missile defense program costing billions of dollars and the highest research and development spending per capita by far in the world. That many Palestinians die is because of Palestinian actions such as using human shields and firing rockets from hospitals. Israel takes more measures to reduce civilian casualties than any other country in such a conflict.

Watch the pro-Palestinian documentary "Death in Gaza" from 2005 to see how Palestinian children are used.

"Lots of boys I have raised with my own hands have been martyred...when we have to say goodbye to Ahmed there are thousands of more boys like him."

Or see this quote from a leader of Hamas from just a couple of weeks ago:

[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life." - Fathi Hammad

topki · 2012-11-18T13:30:56+00:00

/r/propaganda asked for its picture

Niflheim · 2012-11-18T14:23:37+00:00

I didn't know this was a game!

So the Palestinians are like the Mets?

LordStradburry · 2012-11-18T14:11:07+00:00

Looks like Israel is winning!!!

yzyzyz · 2012-11-18T18:22:26+00:00

This is neither /r/politics nor /r/worldnews. Please delete this post here and post it to the appropriate subreddit. Thanks.

nickiter · 2012-11-18T14:30:54+00:00

I think you meant to post this in another subreddit. /r/PropagandaPosters, perhaps.

kidsneakers · 2012-11-18T15:19:35+00:00

"May not receive outside help" isn't exactly true for the Palestinians--or at least Hamas.

protesilaus · 2012-11-18T15:18:01+00:00

Palestinians kill Israelis? They're wrong.

Israelis kill Palestinians? They're wrong.

Dicyclomine · 2012-11-18T15:00:30+00:00

Sigh... The middle east.

deadeight · 2012-11-18T15:31:17+00:00

Just like school, you never get in trouble for starting a fight you get in trouble for winning.

WhackAttack · 2012-11-18T16:27:48+00:00

Let's ignore the bombings, missiles fired and the fact Hamas hides behind Palestinian civilians and accept this non-bias chart.

phazor · 2012-11-18T16:11:36+00:00

clueless topic poster

Nohomobutimgay · 2012-11-18T16:21:23+00:00

Is this UCSD?

ipoopgreatness · 2012-11-18T16:52:37+00:00

Well, shit. The Israelis should just give the Palestinians everything they want, and I'm sure there'll be peace and no more atrocities!

rindindin · 2012-11-18T15:44:59+00:00

r/worldnews is leaking again. Someone go patch it up please.

jonnyclueless · 2012-11-18T15:51:09+00:00

I always wanted someone to tell me how many Jews need to be killed before it's OK to retaliate. Apparently there is some kind of threshold. Let's look at the two sides.

One side uses precision guided weapons to target with minimal damage, phones in strikes and drops leaflets so that the civilians in the area have a chance to flee. They use early warning systems, bunkers, and missile defense systems to minimize casualties.

The other side indiscriminately fires weapons at civilian targets with no warnings. They intentionally launch their attacks from within civilian populations with the intent that their own people will get killed from any retaliation. They store their weapons and build their weapons plants in civilian areas knowing that any retaliation will result in explosions killing the surrounding civilians.

What those numbers don't show is who is responsible for the deaths. Most people just assume the deaths on the Palestinian side are caused by Israelis, which is far from the truth. Israel does not target children, Hamas does. Hamas uses children as human shields so that people who are already biased will look at these numbers and blame Israel for those deaths. These are the same people that force their kids to taunt soldiers in hopes of getting a photo of a soldier pushing a child. They make fake videos of people and children being wounded. One of the recent videos of a hurt child was a picture from Syria. It's too bad most people don't see this side. It's too bad most people don't want to because it's much easier to pretend this is a movie where the bad guys are the ones with more money and the good guys are the ones who are poor.

nmosc89 · 2012-11-18T15:05:02+00:00

Of all the circlejerks and bandwagons on Reddit, the anti-Israel one has got to be one of the most ridiculous.

decatur8r · 2012-11-18T18:41:59+00:00

Problem; Bear keeps kicking my ass.

Solution; Stop Poking bear with sharp stick.

pretzelzetzel · 2012-11-18T13:06:54+00:00

Perhaps "Children Dead" would be a more precise way to communicate that statistic.

w00ten · 2012-11-18T15:32:17+00:00

Palestine: Quit firing rockets at Israeli civilians and Israel won't bomb you, grow the fuck up.

Israel: Quit building illegal settlements in palestine and palestine might stop shooting rockets at you(I doubt it though), grow the fuck up.

ahanan · 2012-11-18T16:39:44+00:00

A higher death toll on the Palestinian side does not mean the Israelis are more evil. It means Israel is successful in protecting its citizens and the terrorists (Hamas) are successful in using their own people as human shields so that they can turn a military loss into a propaganda win. The fact that I even have to write this means their strategy is working... do not let Hamas mislead you like this.

97nachotv · 2012-11-18T14:45:26+00:00

So you mean the Palestinians have killed 1,444 children? Or the other way around?

Khonan · 2012-11-18T20:01:05+00:00

Jews have one rule: they are not allowed to use civilians/children as shields.

jsinger1 · 2012-11-18T15:28:29+00:00

Ok.

Israel knows that Hamas, Hizbullah etc. will do whatever they want because the officials (UN, Anonymous, Reddit) will not call them out. They know that the only defense they have is their own defense.

Hamas knows that they get points for having more casualties than than Israel.

Israel, in contrast, actually wants to prevent casualties of its own citizens! Israel actually doesn't want to have casualties equal to its enemies in order to have a fair fight. In fact, Israel doesn't want a fair fight - it wants only fights that it can win.

Hamas has always stated that its objective will not be met until Israel ceases to exist.

The paramount reason for the existence of Israel is to provide Jews with the means to defend themselves, so the Israeli government is never going to agree to a course of action which gives up that option.

Hamas is in control. Hamas understands Israel's motivations and knows that it can force Israel to respond to it by attacking Israel's population. What this current situation is about is Hamas testing how much provocation it needs to get Israel going, then milking international outrage.

tidux · 2012-11-18T18:25:05+00:00

I'm pretty sure the reason Hamas doesn't ignore UN resolutions is that the UN doesn't recognize that they exist as a country.

Dat_Redox · 2012-11-18T16:58:34+00:00

When Palestine puts down its arms, there will be no more war. When Israel puts down its arms, there will be no more Israel.

wakka13 · 2012-11-18T13:15:06+00:00

Things like this is why I avoid walking through here if possible (Library Walk, UC San Diego)

seanjuro · 2012-11-18T14:39:09+00:00

Number of flyers air dropped over opponent warning civilians to stay clear of certain areas and militants in order to insure asittle casualties as possible 0 Palestine 1,000,000< israel

intoto · 2012-11-18T12:16:35+00:00

Rockets launched into the other's territory this year before November 13th:

Palestine	Israel
800+	0

Rambo_11 · 2012-11-18T16:28:20+00:00

This picture is so statistically incorrect I want to cry.

DeFex · 2012-11-18T16:48:00+00:00

You can tell by "children killed" but not "people killed" This is meant to emotionally manipulate the soft headed.

thepriestofhiroshima · 2012-11-18T17:05:15+00:00

If your family and friends were at the mercy of indiscriminately fired rockets, you armchair moralists would change your tune. Criticism of Israeli settlement policy is all well and good, but you lot are just repeating Palestinian rhetoric now.

Jaroids · 2012-11-18T20:24:19+00:00

I'm going to piss off a lot of sympathizers with this, but I feel like somebody needs to point this out. Israel has never declared genocide on another nation. Israel has never rejected the statehood of another nation. Israel has never declared a holy war against another nation. Israel has simply existed for almost 70 years against all odds. Naysayers will claim it is only with the support of the US, but America has never been involved in an Israeli conflict. Israel defends itself, and always has against incomprehensible odds. I don't care if you agree with me, I just think it's something worth considering.

CanotSpel · 2012-11-18T14:51:04+00:00

You realize this is the "Wall of Lies", right?

netraven5000 · 2012-11-18T15:34:18+00:00

Are those the numbers of people killed/imprisoned/injured by that country or from that country?

GhostChronos · 2012-11-18T16:12:40+00:00

and what about 'cats killed'? there would be a world war for sure

AngryGiraffe · 2012-11-18T16:24:32+00:00

I should probably know this, but what pertains to what here? I took this to be each nation's "score," but I'm wondering if it means losses? Like, has Palestine killed 1,444 children, or LOST 1,444 children? I read it to mean the number under the flag is what that nation has done, not had done to them.

Would this mean Palestine killed 1500 children without violating resolutions?

pete1729 · 2012-11-18T17:51:43+00:00

Could we designate an area or just quarantine a region and let them fight it out? Could we set up a perimeter, give safe passage and refuge to those who do not wish to fight, and arm those who do? Then all the people who need to kill each other could just do so in peace.

Hellscreamgold · 2012-11-18T19:46:37+00:00

wonder how many of those "children" were human shields....ya know, because Hamas does stuff like that.

mccaddensa16 · 2012-11-18T21:05:05+00:00

I've been seeing an increasing amount of Israel vs. Palestine conflict in Reddit lately, and I'm not entirely sure why.

It seems to me that Reddit is being used to convey a political message, and it is emanating mainly from one side. This really should stop.

Zachary9 · 2012-11-18T21:22:55+00:00

Looks like palestinians suck...

sklepner · 2012-11-18T22:56:09+00:00

"If Palestine put down their weapons there would be peace If Israel put down their weapons there would be no more Israel" -Benjamin Netanyahu

Both side are guilty of committing terrible things but the fact still remains that Israel is surrounded by at least 7 countries that would wipe Israel from the map given the chance .

mashedtaters67 · 2012-11-19T00:48:14+00:00

I like the part where these numbers literally aren't true.

2012-11-18T16:39:36+00:00

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ref498 · 2012-11-18T18:56:46+00:00

Wanna know the truth? They'r both in the wrong.

robstach · 2012-11-18T16:58:04+00:00

If Mexico started shooting missiles at the US the score would even be greater

Inquisitor1 · 2012-11-18T17:14:36+00:00

Literally hitler.

Marylandman101 · 2012-11-18T17:38:45+00:00

I'm actually surprised at all the condemnation of the misleading picture, this is reddit after all, where I got downvoted for saying Hamas is bad cause they fire rockets at schools.

brotherwayne · 2012-11-18T14:43:40+00:00

Can anyone explain why the UN doesn't get in the middle of this? We/they intervened in Bosnia. To be fair, that was on the way to genocide I hear but this thing doesn't seem to be on the way to resolution any other way.

Edit: downvoted apparently because how dare you ask a question. da fuq

cercant01 · 2012-11-18T16:49:32+00:00

Wildly distorted and doesn't help. Better story would focus on why Arabs hate Jews so much and have done so since long before the creation of the state of Israel. Israel could completely withdraw and it wouldn't be good enough. Palestinians need to learn that coexistence and economic cooperation would make the entire region happy and prosperous for everyone. Crazed religious fanaticism on both sides doesn't help matters either.

seanjuro · 2012-11-18T14:31:20+00:00

Rockets fired without cause since 2004 100,000 Palestine 0 Israel. Suicide bombings 300< Palestine Israel 0.

terpsnfins333 · 2012-11-18T16:45:50+00:00

This is completely untrue. Not saying either party is 100% in the right but when you have a group of savages fire rockets at you there is a need to protect yourself....do some research before you side with extremists who attempted to destroy your own country

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