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[–]indridcold137 449 points450 points ago

This is about 10 years old, I remember this when we were invading Afghanistan.

[–]Drunk_Don_Draper 374 points375 points ago

Shit dude. It really feels a lot more recent than it actually was. Ten years. Fuck man. Life is like sand through my fingertips. I don't want to die.

[–]KingofCraigland 200 points201 points ago

Fuck man, it's too early to being thinking about that shit. I haven't even had my oatmeal yet. Damn.

[–]rontruthmexico 77 points78 points ago

for real. this probably just fucked up my whole day.

[–]constantiNOPEle 106 points107 points ago

Man up you little girls. There was blood on my toilet paper yesterday, doesn't mean I'm gonna cry myself to sleep or miss work today.

[–]waggle238 69 points70 points ago

Don't wipe so hard, you arent trying to remove a stain from the carpet

[–]antarctic_cactus 17 points18 points ago

More like a stain from my soul...

[–]TheWoodenMan 38 points39 points ago

Your arse-soul?

[–]dark_green 30 points31 points ago

You should probably see a doctor in the near future... As long as it doesn't interfere with your work of course.

[–]lostandfounder 3 points4 points ago

Wait, are you guys being serious? I've had blood in my stool off and on for years. I just thought it was from the occasional hemorrhoid.

[–]canceryguy 2 points3 points ago

Trust me. Go see a doctor. The sooner the better. If it is nothing, then cool, you just made an extra visit to a doctor, if it is something, then the sooner you see them the better.

Source: I'm terminal, in part perhaps due to the fact I DIDN'T go in when I first passed blood.

Don't want to freak you out, but like I said, better an extra appointment then going through what I have.

[–]BenRoyce 39 points40 points ago

bright red? hemorrhoid

black? stomach ulcer

maroon? colon cancer

bright green? alien probe

[–]blue_scante 5 points6 points ago

i dont need to know how you know this.

[–]Thisismyfinalstand 2 points3 points ago

What if it's like a light beige?

[–]BenRoyce 5 points6 points ago

stop eating the paint chips

[–]korri 2 points3 points ago

I like that they give food that you might have eaten recently as a reason for the color, there've been a few times where I've thought I was dieing but really I just had some cake with a lot of food coloring in the icing.

[–]MemphisRoots 6 points7 points ago

instead of dieing you were dyeing

[–]Ministic 5 points6 points ago

bright red? hemorrhoid

black? stomach ulcer

maroon? colon cancer

Not that simple. I have Crohn's disease and have shat all these colours and every shade between.

[–]okmkz 2 points3 points ago

There's a helpful mnemonic rhyme to be made here...

[–]lutheranian 2 points3 points ago

Quit scaring people, maroon could be from IBS, too, which is pretty common.

[–]xmod2 14 points15 points ago

Odds are, there are a decent number of redditors who won't make it through the day.

[–]bachumbug 7 points8 points ago

All I wanted was a song about oatmeal.

[–]greenmandoo 47 points48 points ago

I, personally, am going to live forever or die trying.

[–]hemaris_thysbe 24 points25 points ago

I plan to live forever. So far, so good.

[–]daddydrank 20 points21 points ago

Everyone that ever knew you will die, and you will die alone; a forgotten memory.

[–]Fabrikator 11 points12 points ago

Everyone dies alone.

[–]Jemnite 5 points6 points ago

“Son. Everyone dies alone. That's what it is. It's a door. It's one person wide. When you go through it, you do it alone. But it doesn't mean you've got to be alone before you go through the door. And believe me, you aren't alone on the other side.” ― Malcom Dresden, Dead Beat by Jim Butcher

[–]refriedbeanman 9 points10 points ago

Then don't

[–]TheLostBigBoss 394 points395 points ago

Time to get the armchair politicians/generals out of /r/worldnews!

[–]YouPickMyName 125 points126 points ago

Every other thread here

EDIT: Out of curiosity, what is the story behind this image. Where and why etc.

(Please don't start another debate here)

[–]claytopolis 100 points101 points ago

The man is a zionist trespassing on an arab soccer game. Eventually all his friends show up and declare the soccer field a zionist birthright. The arabs get angry and start kicking balls at the zionists. The zionists start kicking balls back at the arabs. Eventually Jesus comes back and sorts everything out.

[–]porkfatty 76 points77 points ago

The arabs get angry and start kicking balls at the zionists. The zionists start kicking balls back at the arabs.

And before you know it, they've got a game going! By the end it was tied and they realized they weren't so different after all! The end.

[–]Vhoghul 33 points34 points ago

I really, really wish this would happen...

[–]dmoczy 149 points150 points ago

This post is a lot more fun if you just imagine him as some homeless guy with a score to settle

[–]Ceejae 23 points24 points ago

I just broke my previous fun record.

[–]Cruyff14 95 points96 points ago

I usually keep my mouth shut on these kinds of posts, but good god it's getting old. When will we all come to the understanding that there is only one way out of this mess and that begins by collectively saying WE ARE GOING TO STOP. I'm an Israeli, but I have a lot of respect and love for the Palestinians and the people who are our neighbors. Just like a good neighbor, I try to see what I can do to stop this cycle of pointing the finger, but the only thing that keeps happening consistently is finger pointing. WHO CARES WHO SHOT THE FIRST FUCKING ROCKET, BE THE LAST. Bunch of fucking babies.

Edit To all of you who interpreted what I said as "Have the final say" that's not what I meant. I meant it as be the one who ends the altercation.

[–]singlecellscientist 35 points36 points ago

The problem is it only takes one idiot to end the peace. One stupid family or group starts a settlement on Palenstianian land, one offshoot group of jihadis fires a rocket against the will of their government, one IDF soldier beats an innocent Palestinian, one Palestinian bombs a coffee shop, etc. Every time something like this happens, it feeds in to the inner fear of our psyche and our ability to stereotype and blame an entire culture for the actions of a few, even though at least 90% of people on both sides just want to live in peace and could probably come up with a livable (if non-ideal) solution. It requires the leaders to compromise though, and I've found in life people don't become leaders by compromising and being kind.

[–]totalbummer24 24 points25 points ago

Haha trust me I understand what you're are trying to say, but the implication in "Who cares who shot the first rocket, be the last..."

[–]Cruyff14 0 points1 point ago

Yeah it might be far-fetched, unrealistic babble, but fuck if we all did this we would cultivate environments that we would all want our children and grand children to live in. You're right though, it's unrealistic.

[–]egal27 3 points4 points ago

As I understand it totalbummer24 meant if you are the one firing the last rocket it implies that the other side stopped to fire after you fired your last rocket ( otherwise it wouldnt be the last). Which is not really what you wanted to say I suppose. I understand your post as an application of a quote from Jesus which goes along the line "If someone slaps your cheek offer up your other one". Don't fire a rocket back even if someone fires rockets at you.

This highlights one big problem in this conflict though: language. Translating the speeches or statements from any language to another changes the meaning, can be ambigous and more problems. Even a slight change makes a big difference to some people in this conflict.

The only solution I can think of is tolerance. From both sides and without limitations. Realistically that isn' going to happen. I hope someone smarter than me figures out a workable solution.

So far noone succeded.

[–]GilTheARM 12 points13 points ago

I hate television - every time someone says "like a good neighbor" I respond in my head with, "State Farm is there..."

[–]scaylos 3 points4 points ago

Hey, look! A good human being!

[–]mari_who 127 points128 points ago

Sometimes I think we should just evict the entire area. Send the Israelis and Palestinians to opposite sides of the globe, and move in somebody everybody likes - the Canadians maybe - to sheperd the area as a big nature/historical preserve for the next hundred years.

[–]fougie 73 points74 points ago

Speaking as a Canadian. There's not enough snow and beer there. I always thought our country was big enough for everyone, we'd be happy to take in anyone unwilling to live in such conditions, just leave the baggage at the border.

[–]rdm_box 97 points98 points ago

It's quite literally the opposite of Canada there. No snow, no beer, and nobody's saying sorry.

[–]jb2386 35 points36 points ago

How about the Australians then? They're like the warm climate version of Canada.

[–]sericeousburden 39 points40 points ago

They would pine for the deadly fauna of home.

[–]rambo77 4 points5 points ago

That can be arranged.

[–]tonka84 6 points7 points ago

as an australian - no thank you..

[–]avfdgt 1 point2 points ago

i was planning to give Istanbul to Scandinavians, but it was a little hard to convince people here.

[–]frosty_cog 3 points4 points ago

little known fact: Canadians are probably the worst environmentalists ever. use Buddhists monks or something.

[–]imakechems 2 points3 points ago

There's no ice hockey in the middle east.

Furthermore, I think every major country should have a separation of church and state. All religion does is cause wars and hate. Both parties have the dirt under their feet... leave it that way and part ways. Focus on saving the dirt under everyone's feet.

[–]CoffinRehersal 2 points3 points ago

Both sides are petulant children who need their toy taken away. Evacuate the area then nuke the holy land. No joke. Make sure the area will be irradiated long enough that people forget why they wanted it so bad before it becomes habitable again.

[–]Endemoniada 167 points168 points ago

Am I the only one who thinks both sides are equally idiotic and equally innocent? There are plenty of Israelis who aren't killing anyone, and who don't want anyone to be killed, just as there are plenty of Palestinians who feel the same. The violence that does happen, regardless, is either stupidly political or ignorantly religious in origin, and either way isn't defensible from either side of the conflict.

Are the Palestinians really "just" shooting rockets back? Or are they, in fact, also shooting lethal weapons towards other people with the express intent to wound and kill them? So what if they're "ineffective", as another redditor wanted to claim. Do we treat murderers differently based on the efficacy of their weapons?

I am sick and tired of the whole Middle Eastern conflict. There are so many intelligent, decent people there who don't wish anyone harm, and would get along just fine if it weren't for the ruling few, and religiously influential, who murder and destroy in their names.

[–]JB_UK 25 points26 points ago

I agree that both sides are culpable, but I don't agree that the situation is completely symmetric. The casualty figures are much greater for the Palestinians than for the Israelis, the living conditions are far higher in Israel, and the settlement process is ongoing.

[–]prodigal27 6 points7 points ago

I had a pretty heated argument with my wife about this same thing last night (she's Arabic). And this is basically what I said. Israel is a big guy with a big stick, Palestine is a little guy with a little stick. It doesn't matter how much of a bad guy Israel is in your eyes, he's big and has big friends with big sticks. When he comes to you and says "We keep what we took, but let's negotiate peace", you take peace.

There is no happy ending for Palestine where they get their land back. History favors the big sticks. If you keep poking him with a little stick he will get frustrated to the point where he just puts you down.

It's not fair to you, but that's the way it is. Palestine won't win, every attack on Israel will be a reason to further their tactical ground (expand) until Palestine is no more.

[–]phattsao 39 points40 points ago

It's well known Hamas stations it's troops and keeps it's weapons near civilians, just so they can accuse Israel of targeting them.

[–]Endemoniada 67 points68 points ago

Just as it's well known that Israel knows this, and apparently doesn't care.

My point stands: they're both murderous assholes. Why should I sympathize with anyone who shoots rockets over the border and into another nation?

[–]atheistjubu 6 points7 points ago

It's well known that "it's = it is" and that "its" specifies ownership.

</the only thing I can say in an Israeli/Palestine thread without my head exploding>

[–]WeeBayPartlow 35 points36 points ago

This is the worst goddamn thread ever.

[–]Totalsam 17 points18 points ago

I'm not sure that anyone will see this, but I wanted to share a Facebook post from an Israeli I met last year. Disclaimer: she served in the IDF, but she does a pretty good job of capturing the nuance in this conflict.

"I'm not really the type of person to post my political opinions on facebook (and I definitely don't want to argue with anybody about this), but I think it's important to emphasize the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organization whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel, which they try to do by targeting Israeli civilians and populated areas. So before passing judgement about the IDF causing civilian casualties in Gaza, please remember that the thousands of rockets that have been constantly launched into Israel over the past few years are fired from inside schools, mosques, hospitals and apartment buildings in Gaza and targeted at schools, synagogues, hospitals and apartment buildings in Israel that are filled with innocent civilians, not used as weapon storage. When you see a video of a rocket landing in Israel, you see the panic, fear and chaos that citizens in the south of Israel have sadly become accustomed to. When you see a video of a military strike in Gaza, you usually see a secondary explosion caused by an enormous amount of heavy artillery. I in no way condone the common generalization that all Palestinians are terrorists, and it is tragic that innocent civilians are killed on both sides, but this ongoing war is not between a strong military and innocent civilians. This is between a strong military who is doing everything it can to protect it's citizens and a terrorist organization who uses civilians as shields so that international media will have something to concentrate on. I definitely do not think of myself as an expert on Israeli-Palestinian affairs, but it's important to know the facts before forming an opinion. Especially if you've never had to run to a bomb shelter. Personally, I find all of this nauseating. I believe in peace and hope that one day we can achieve it."

[–]CavScout88 25 points26 points ago

So now we know who fired it

[–]Gundersen 23 points24 points ago

I am to blame: I shot a rocket back

Did it help?

[–]penclnck 5 points6 points ago

Wasn't Hamas voted into power?

[–]verafast 20 points21 points ago

They are to blame, you are to blame. Now stop playing the blame game and work together to resolve the issue.

[–]Ninjatree 2 points3 points ago

How is it that no one ever thought about it?

North Korea? Done.

Syria? Mission accomplished.

Iran? Too easy, we just used the good ole "resolve" stunt.

[–]sandozguineapig 14 points15 points ago

"Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan"

-Prince Hussan to the Jordanian National Assembly, February 2, 1970.

Funny how there has never been a problem with the country that got 85% of what was formerly considered Palestine.

[–]jaesonko 5 points6 points ago

You have to understand this in the context that "Palestinian" as a sort of national identity didn't really emerge until just around the time of that speech. They were, for all intents and purposes, simply 'Arabs.'

Also, there have been problems between Palestinians and the Jordanians (read: Black September).

[–]alertnotalarmed 17 points18 points ago

Is it bad that my first reaction to this post is to thank FUCK That I live in Australia? We have our issues to be sure but I have no fear of rocket attacks or suicide bombers. I feel for the majority on Both sides that just want to live without these fears.

[–]tresonce 3 points4 points ago

Well nobody wants to invade Australia because you have the scariest fucking wildlife on the planet. Fuck that shit I'll stay right where I am thank you very much.

[–]MyVeganBicycle 54 points55 points ago

I like how the guy makes launching rockets against a civilian population sound like it's no big deal.

[–]mrdeadsniper 16 points17 points ago

So I fired a few rockets at people, so it was from my house, so my dad did the same, so my job was making IEDs. It was just a rocket, I mean come on!

I am to blame because I attempted to murder people at random.

And both sides are to blame really, because I fully believe if either side just said : "Forget it, all disputed lands are yours" It would just lead to fighting about the next issue.

[–]FrostThorn 2 points3 points ago

Stop whining. Get over yourselves and learn to get along.

[–]MaximilianRex 108 points109 points ago

The Israel/Palestine conflict is not as simple as determining the ownership of a few tracts of land. Israel is (literally) surrounded by nations whose people feel that Israel should not exist at all. They (and not the Palestinians) will not be satisfied until Israel is wiped off the map. This is not to excuse the actions of the Israeli government in many instances, but it sure as hell explains to me why Israel gets jumpy when missiles are fired at Tel Aviv. It's not as if they've got a bunch of neighboring allies ready to help defend them. More like they have a bunch of neighboring enemies ready to invade them when they are at their weakest. And there have been several Arab-Israel wars that prove the truth of this statement. It's not as simple as Israel being an oppressor of the Palestinians in Gaza. It's more a matter of saving face and national legitimacy. If Israel gives up Gaza, who really believes that will be enough for the rest of the Middle East? What does history tell you? Didn't fucking think so.

[–]Sanity_prevails 58 points59 points ago

And not like there was a war in the 60's when Arab countries attacked Israel. I'll repeat, all neighboring countries ATTACKED ISRAEL.

[–]MaximilianRex 6 points7 points ago

This is exactly what I am referring to. Except add a few more attacks in there for good measure.

[–]Spekingur 2 points3 points ago

ahem

The war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields after a period of high tension that included an Israeli raid into the Jordanian-controlled West Bank. Israeli initiated aerial clashes over Syrian territory.

Source: wikipedia

[–]lllama 2 points3 points ago

There is no basis for your claim that "They (and not the Palestinians) will not be satisfied until Israel is wiped off the map".

All research like opinion polling shows the fast majority of people in the middle east either don't care what happens or want a 2 state solution. This is even higher amongst Palestinians themselves. Political leadership from Arabic states is no difference has broadly indicated to support a "land for peace" solution. 2 of the most important neighboring states (Jordan and Egypt) have peace treaties with Israel.

Palestinian leadership is no different, just this month their president said that he does not see a possibility for a Palestinian state including pre-'67 Palestinian territory (even though he himself is from such territory). Even extreme political elements like Hamas have indicated that they will recognize Israel's right to exist in exchange for Israel recognizing and opening negotiations with them.

About the only state still follows the line of a single state for Jews and Palestinians is Iran. It's not even an Arab state or a neighbor to Israel, let alone capable of invading it.

Your claims are utterly false.

[–]stickmaster_flex 50 points51 points ago

Wow, oversimplify much?

[–]petemate 980 points981 points ago

I hate this attitude towards the Israel/Palestine conflict. There is no question that Israel isn't exactly saints in this thing, and they have done some terrible things, but the Palestinians(certain military groups in Palestine) are just asking for it when they target random civilians and select terrorist organisations as governments.

In short: They are both a bunch of idiots and the conflict will not end until they both ready to admit that they are idiots and are ready to do something to better them self.

Edit: Thank you for your replies. Believe it or not, i have read all of them. I have replied to most of the ones i found to be written with some reasoning and thought, but i can't reply to all of them. There are too many. I won't be replying anymore, since i have other things to do and take off. Thank you for participating.

Edit2: "I have replied to the most ones i found.." corrected .

[–]Bumgill 80 points81 points ago

To be fair, when they had elections, they didn't have much of a choice to vote for anyone other than terrorist organizations. It was that or the plutocrats who had been de facto in power for decades.

And then we get pissed off at them for exercising democracy.

[–]ostracize 17 points18 points ago

Reminds me of politics in any country...

[–]Nerfi 35 points36 points ago

"No, guys, you're doing it wrong. Look at how we do it, where we allow all candidates a fair chance to...

... Fuck."

[–]grievre 142 points143 points ago

"Palestinians" are not asking for it. A particular violent group of palestinians are asking for it, and everyone else is collateral damage.

Their children are certainly not asking for it. Their teachers are certainly not asking for it. Their elderly are certainly not asking for it.

[–]captshady 36 points37 points ago

When they fire from locations of heavily dense civilian populations, AT civilians, what do you think the appropriate response should be?

[–]Cockdieselallthetime 83 points84 points ago

Then when the extremist move in the Palestinians need to raise up and remove them.

They are purposely shooting rockets at Israel from heavily populated areas because they know the return fire will have a higher death toll. Then they just sit and video tape it and send it off to the world to see how Israel is killing civilians.

Then you get these arm chair quarterbacks in the US that know everything about the conflict because they saw a context less picture of a dead Palestinian child.

Here's an interesting video that turned up on reddit not to long ago:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/media-manipulation-palestinians-push-their-children-to-taunt-idf-soldiers-as-media-stand-ready-to-fi.html

It's a video of Palestinian parents pushing their kids into Israeli soldiers and then trying to tape a response and edit it to make it look like the soldier was beating up on kids.

People need to be more careful of believing everything they read out of the region. There seems to be a large propaganda arm.

[–]zerato 27 points28 points ago

Then they shouldn't have elected Hamas. I agree that civilian casualties suck, but war sucks.

Edit: I have class I'll try to respond promptly Edit 2: I'm tired, good talk guys

[–]jebz 18 points19 points ago

Place yourself in the shoes of a Palestinian for a moment, it might help you understand why they would elect such radical politicians. Or better yet let me use an example that might hit closer to home.

I'm a Canadian citizen and always have been. I'm proud of the country I come from and the principles this country entails. Now, imagine if America decided that they wanted Canada to become the 51st state, so they slowly began to overtake tracts of Canadian land. Low and behold, the American government encountered resistance from Canadian's who wanted to maintain their sovereignty and their own way of life. In response, America cut off Canada from the outside world. They restricted access to essential goods such as food and water, prevented aid from entering the country, set up security checkpoints in several major cities and began capturing, kidnapping and killing Canadian's that repressed the takeover. How do you imagine I would respond? What would you reasonably expect me to do? You had better believe that me, and probably most people in my country would not be accepting of what was happening and would look to the most radical sects of society as justification for taking up arms. You had better believe that I would take up arms and shoot to kill in an effort to defend my country to the end.

Israel has essentially cut off Palestine from the World for the past 60 years, slowly taking over Palestinian land and restricting access the essential goods. The Hamas were elected because they promised to be radical towards Israel, and because the people of Palestine could sympathize with a regime that was finally willing to take action on their behalf. I imagine most of the people on Reddit do not live in the Gaza strip which makes it extremely hard for them to understand why Palestine is taking the actions that it is.

Please understand that this comment was not in opposition to what your saying. I agree, war does suck, and there is never a good justification for war, but maybe this will help people better understand what Palestinian's have been driven to and why they have chosen the option that they have.

[–]queue_cumber 14 points15 points ago

You're missing an entire half of the argument here. Israel didn't just decide they wanted that land one day. Palestine and the surrounding Arab nations were not happy about which parts of land were given to the Jews because those lands have religious significance to both sides. The Arab nations then started a war[1] with the hope of just dismantling the Jewish state altogether. In 6 days the Jews had defeated all these counties and captured a lot more land including all of former Palestine[2]. Much of that land was ceded back in return for peace, but the Palestinian land was left occupied. Then what you talked about (sort of) started to happen. Both sides have blame in this.

[1] Israel fired the first shots preemptively in response to massing of Arab forces on the borders, specifically Egyptian forces to the south and an Egyptian naval blockade that was intended to prevent supplies from being shipped in.

[2] this land was never actually Palestinian but was considered occupied by other Arab nations namely Egypt, Jordan, and Syria

[–]zerato 4 points5 points ago

I agree for the most part, and thanks for being reasonable. However israel has not exactly been welcomed in the middle east, and as soon as they were given the land by the UN, they were forced to defend it from the palestinians. I believe that both sides are acting like children, but I also believe Israel is acting like any other sovereign state when it comes to dealing with terrorism. Historically they have been willing to negotiate as well. Look at the Oslo accords. But then terrorism forces them to increase security, ie the wall in the west bank. I believe Israel is reasonable, and Palestine needs to take advantage of that and chill the fuck out

Edit: I'd like to state im not arguing, just giving background

[–]weedio 2 points3 points ago

it was never palestinian land, it was british land, where both jews and palestinians lived next to eachother. After the british left and influx of jews from europe and other arab countries where they were persecuted all hell broke lose and the land got divided into 2 states. the big divide in wealth between them is not israel "stealing land" it is saudi arabia or egypt or russia or china not giving a crap. israel gets 3 billion a years from its supporter USA. how much support does palestine get from it's "axis"? zilch. in fact these "friends" have more interest in palestine staying poor, it's puts pressure on USA. some friends are better than other friends.

[–]Spekingur 9 points10 points ago

I think we should first try to be a part of a war torn nation before we say "then they shouldn't have done this and that".

[–]Eurynom0s 61 points62 points ago

Exactly, the short version of what I always say is: the Israelis have legitimate reasons to do what they do (although I think they have a tendency to handle things in the worst way possible), but they need to realize that a lot of those reasons only exist because the Israelis are REALLY FUCKING GOOD at getting their immediate neighbors to want to kill them.

Like, I was watching this news documentary about the Israeli border fence. Instead of just putting the fence at the boundary between two farms, thus maybe paving over a tiny fraction of two farms and compensating the two landowners for this, they pave over the middle of this guy's olive farm, making him have to cross a border checkpoint to get to the other side, then again to come back (so many hours wasted each way). His olives started to rot in the fields as a result. This is a classic case of "you could have changed your plans ever so slightly but instead you decided to give this guy that extra-personal reason to hate you."

So clearly, Israel needs to stop being stupid shitheads. But the flipside is, are they supposed to just sit and take it when people start blowing themselves up on their buses?

(Although I'll say, if you want someone to place the original sin on, it's the British. It's their fault for making mutually incompatible promises to the Palestinians who already lived there and the Jews who wanted the land. Unfortunately it's now at the point where there's no clear "you threw the first punch" group to lay the blame on, hence the seemingly perpetual cycle of violence.)

[–]vlexo1 3 points4 points ago

are they supposed to just sit and take it when people start blowing themselves up on their buses?

I think both sides have similar questions, "are we going to sit here and just take it?".

That's the problem.

[–]Eurynom0s 3 points4 points ago

Yes, that's what my point amounted to, both sides have legitimate grievances (and for each side, it's partially their fault that bad things happen to them), which is why this is just a never-ending cycle, and it's worsened by the fact that even if you could identify "who fucked the other one first", all of the original parties are either dead or geriatric.

[–]Deuce_197 54 points55 points ago

if a foreign nation was building settlements strategically placed around all of your water sources while you lived in the desert and then excluded you from your own land, you might fight back too.

[–]therealduncansmith 12 points13 points ago

To be fair, the government's not the one building the settlements (and most of the government really, really, really wishes they didn't exist)

[–]NominallySafeForWork 29 points30 points ago

I know very little about the conflict, but could you tell me why the government doesn't do anything if they really, really, really don't support the settlements?

[–]geauxtig3rs 42 points43 points ago

They don't want to appear as if they are capitulating to Palestinian whims.

It's like a colossal game of chicken...at least in it's basest sense....

In reality, it's a colossal game of chicken with Israel driving a tank and the Palestinians on a tricycle.

[–]Deuce_197 7 points8 points ago

THis. I am a pacifist by nature and do not support the action of the palestinians. but we have to be honest about this. This is not an even conflict. Palenstinians fire rockets and kill a few random civilians (which is bad) then Israel comes back and bombs the fuck out of everyone (which is worse). Both sides have done plenty wrong but that doesnt mean that both sides are equally liable. But in the hyper"we fucking love israel" attitudes in the U.S. it is hard to get an accurate portrayel of what is actually going on over there.

[–]cookrw1989 13 points14 points ago

They have the power to stop them, just not the backbone

[–]lllama 9 points10 points ago

Lolwut? You're saying the Israeli government is not involved in the building of the settlements?

[–]thefuckdude 6 points7 points ago

If we would have a bunch of german people trying to take back Stettin then the german government sure as fuck wouldn't just sit there and let them do it.

[–]2773625 13 points14 points ago

Nothing is going to change as long as the rest of the Middle East wants Israel gone

[–]somverso 44 points45 points ago

"they", as if the entire Palestinian population is responsible for one asshole with an RPG.

Yeah, forget the fact that Hamas only holds on to power through fear and their arsenal these days, let's just starve 'em all for having the audacity to be helpless against that kind of tyranny.

[–]supahjasev 22 points23 points ago

Well the first world war was set off by one asshole with a gun if you simplify things that much.

Just like every other war there was a lot of tension and war was pretty much inevitable from the start, one asshole with an RPG just sped it along a little.

[–]TehBastage 19 points20 points ago

You can take it further than that. Without Gavrilo Princip, there's obviously no WWI. Without WWI, Britain doesn't get to administer what would become Israel, and the Russian Empire doesn't get pushed past the tipping point to become the Soviet Union. Without WWI, you also don't have the treaty of Versailles and WWII.

So now without Gavrilo Princip, you don't have the holocaust, you don't have the iron curtain descending over Europe, you don't have the cold war, you don't have the US going into (then coming out of) isolationism to emerge as one of the preeminent military powers, you don't have Balfour, and you don't have israelis and palestinians at each others' throats.

That leads into the US involving itself much more frequently in foreign affairs around the world, leading to revolutions in Cuba and Iran, as well as to wars in Korea and Vietnam (which are also, obviously, largely due to the Soviets as well as the US). The sting felt by the latter contributes to America's reluctance to involve itself openly in Afghanistan, which contributes to the rise of the Taliban as well as Osama bin Laden.

This leads into the formation of Al Qaeda, and the attacks on 9/11 which ultimately precipitated the current degradation of civil liberties those of us in the western world in general, and the US in particular, have dealt with since then.

All because one asshole just had to shoot Franz Ferdinand.

[–]maninthemass 2 points3 points ago

First world war was set off by an asshole with a gun.

Set off yes, but the cause is much bigger and more complicated.

[–]jkonine 38 points39 points ago

When Hamas, a known terror organization is elected to a majority, you know there is a problem.

[–]mailfailure 33 points34 points ago

Except to Hamas' constituents they are not terrorists - they are freedom fighters while, from their perspective, the people that have inflicted terror on them are the Israelis. You might also want to look into Israeli history and see what happened to members of the Jewish terrorist organisations that targeted civilians during the British Mandate. Guess what? Many of them ended up in the government of Israel once it was formed. Indeed, one of Israel's Prime Ministers in the 80s was a member of just such a terrorist organisation.

[–]toodrunktoocare 28 points29 points ago

Truly. The line between freedom fighter and terrorist is a question of perspective. There are a lot of legitimate governments around who would be called terrorists today if the other guys had won.

[–]cockporn 10 points11 points ago

History is written by the victors

[–]Lard_Baron 2 points3 points ago

The commander of LondonDerry IRA, Martin McGuinness is an elected British MP and minister for education.(altho he refuses to sit in the house) That is quite remarkable.

[–]desertion 20 points21 points ago

Hamas isn't considered a terrorist group overseas, it was only labeled as a terrorist group in the west (and only recently). Also, I'm not really a fan of such labels. I'm sure Israel has committed more war crimes/caused more terror than the relatively much weaker Hamas, and yet they are not labeled in the same way. That type of labeling to me just seems like propaganda.

[–]Meemsbror 7 points8 points ago

I do not even your logic. I can call the united states a terrorist organisation because they have bombed countless of civilians. What is up with that? When The US is reelecting a person that is behind this, you know there is a problem.

[–]Szos 286 points287 points ago

They don't have a real army to attack the state that is oppressing them, and you are going to blame their feeble actions?  Its essentially guerilla warfare and that's typically how out-matched, out-gunned, out-numbered, and out-funded people have reacted in these type of situations. You better believe that the US's own revolution was, in part, based on such attacks. 

Violence sucks, the situation is awful, and no one is "innocent", but the blame for this disaster sure as hell doesn't sit on the oppressed.

[–]annoymind 489 points490 points ago

and you are going to blame their feeble actions?

Yes, of course. Not having a real army is not an excuse for deliberately targeting random civilians. Just because vicious, evil, and nasty things are part of every Guerilla war it is not a justification at all.

Hamas isn't even trying to hit military targets.

[–]CrushTheOrphanage 16 points17 points ago

Exactly. Using "dirty" tactics like roadside bombs are fine as long as you target military personnel. Attacking civilians is doing nothing but helping Israel paint the Palestinians as crazed terrorists among their own people and the rest of the world. Killing civilians to the public is the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist.

[–]alreadytakenusername 28 points29 points ago

If I don't have enough food or medicine for my child and my enemy is having fun in what used to be my land, I'm not sure if I can stick to your principle. And I'm not a violent man.

My justification will be in the line of, "Israel's action hurts my family, not our army, then why not hurt their family? They should know what hurts the most."

Having said that, Hamas seems to be doing this mainly for their goal in domestic politics.

[–]Punchee 51 points52 points ago

And that is why they will fail.

The only way to win a conflict in which you are horribly out matched is through the court of public opinion. By choosing to be lesser men and targeting civilians you remove all public sympathy.

I'm a white liberal from the Midwest in America and I swore no allegiance to Israel, but at least they aim for military targets.

[–]bcarmeli 138 points139 points ago

As someone who used to live in the region (Israel for ten years), I can tell you that Palestinians practice peaceful civil disobedience all the time. But YOU (people in the U.S and many other parts of the world) would never hear about it. Because no one gives a floating flying fuck about people trying to do things the right way. They are driven to drastic actions such as these just to evoke some kind of reaction from the international community.

Also, the primitive rockets used by Hamas militants can't really "target" anything. They basically point them over the border and launch. Unlike Israel that has the military might of U.S technology supporting them. Despite that fact, the number of civilians and children killed by Israelis FAR exceeds those killed in rocket attacks.

Make no mistake, it is a very thin line between father and terrorist when you've just seen your child killed in an explosion "aimed at military targets"

[–]Borne2Run 24 points25 points ago

They do have rocket interdiction systems and civil defense going for them, hence lowered casualty rates.

[–]butterandbacon 55 points56 points ago

Make no mistake, it is a very thin line between father and terrorist when you've just seen your child killed in an explosion "aimed at military targets"

This is what people who criticize Palestinians fail to recognize. I would flip my fucking shit if someone killed my child in an attack, military-targeted or not. Any attacks are going to fuel immense and deep hatred for the other side. I wouldn't be in any mode of peace-making if I lost a child.

[–]wishiwascreative 2 points3 points ago

This is what people who criticize Israel fail to recognize. Both sides are killing innocents, and the more that happens, the more people on both sides are going to support aggression and want to kill the enemy.

Israel spends billions to defend its citizens from attacks. Hamas hides behind innocents to drive up the death tool and to increase their support for the exact reason you just quoted. To blame Israel for taking action to defend its citizens against attack is to ignore the entire situation in Palestine.

If they kicked Hamas out of of Gaza and stopped firing rockets, you would see peace a lot sooner and civilian deaths drop significantly. If they stopped firing rockets at Israel constantly, there would be peace sooner and civilian deaths would drop significantly.

[–]SeanMoore 2 points3 points ago

Did you ever see one of the rockets? I imagine them as lethal bottle-rockets. I mean, shit... they finally got a casualty (RIP) count this week but HUNDREDS of them get launched at Israel. I think if I were in charge of the explosives I'd discontinue this "rocket" program. Seems really ineffective.

[–]wishiwascreative 2 points3 points ago

tell me something. If someone took an old manual load dueling pistol and started shooting at you, would you wait until they hit you and kill you, or shoot back with your glock?

They fire unguided rockets at civilian targets with enough accuracy that 87% of them get shot down by iron dome to protect the cities. The only reason Israel has less civilian casualties is because its spent billions in shelters and defensive installations to protect its civilians, while Hamas hides behind civilians to drive up the death toll and make Israel look worse.

[–]ImAshleyK 21 points22 points ago

Israel hit a UN school with white phosphorus.

[–]ManiacalShen 3 points4 points ago

So, I thought you were maybe bullshitting, because that's a serious thing to say without a citation. However, you were not: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2009/jan/21/gaza-israelandthepalestinians

[–]ImAshleyK 0 points1 point ago

Sorry for not citing. My college English classes taught me nothing. Thank you for finding that so others know I was being factual.

[–]curbstickle 14 points15 points ago

I swore no allegiance to Israel, but at least they aim for military targets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_targeted_killings#Civilian_casualty_ratio

[–]Shvedi 25 points26 points ago

He said they aim for military targets, that doesn't mean there wont be any civilian casualties. The point is, Israel isn't targeting civilians.

[–]Badgermeister 2 points3 points ago

Their targets just happen to have a bunch of civilians right next to them.

[–]cardboard_cricket 9 points10 points ago

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you there. Although it is arguably a very effective way, it is not and never has been the only way. If violence towards your oppressor didn't work, We would be speaking the queens English instead of American English. Most of the rest of the world would be speaking a combination of German, Italian, and Japanese. Violence and brute force are historically recognized methods of forcing a change. Ghandi was a statistical outlier regarding non-violent change.

[–]homochrist 82 points83 points ago

targeting random civilians

israel does this too. with white phosphorous.

[–]HaroldHood 42 points43 points ago

Weight-for-weight, phosphorus is the most effective smoke-screening agent known, for two reasons: firstly, it absorbs most of the screening mass from the surrounding atmosphere and secondly, the smoke particles are an aerosol, a mist of liquid droplets which are close to the ideal range of sizes for Mie scattering of visible light. This effect has been likened to three dimensional textured privacy glass—the smoke cloud does not simply obstruct an image, but thoroughly scrambles both visual and infrared radiation, interfering with infra-red optics and weapon-tracking systems, serving as a protection for military forces from guided weapons such as anti-tank missiles.

[–]luciferprinciple 46 points47 points ago

You are correct, white phosphorus has an aerosolize yield greater than 100% because it absorbs surrounding moisture which grows the aerosol particulate diameter to many microns. Particles of this size scatter light very effectively, as light passes through the cloud it is diffused into an obscured jumble of phones which hides whats behind it. The issue is that white-phosphurus burns at extreme temperatures and strips moisture from your lungs, causes horrific bodily injuries when used against personnel that range from burns to permanent breathing impairment. This is why its only used in vehicle mounted devices such as for ships or tanks.

The appropriate personnel type obscurant, the M106, works on a similar basis absorbing light. It contains a titanium dioxide fill that scatters light, which is a nontoxic mineral based material that is used in sunscreen to absorb UV light. The fill does not absorb air, so you would typically expect yields of <50% aerosolized material.

tl/dr: White-phosphorus is indeed the best obscurant pound for pound but it has unacceptable effects on living people which is why the US Army phased these devices out for personnel use years ago. As a safe alternative, we use a dried sunscreen type powder called titanium dioxide which is safe and non-toxic.

source: Im a scientist yo (as I expect you are?).

[–]anonymous123421 280 points281 points ago

Nope. Hamas keeps their rockets in front of schools and hospitals because they don't give a fuck about the lives of innocent Palestinians.

[–]Eurynom0s 25 points26 points ago

Hezbollah does this as well.

[–]iDontShift 162 points163 points ago

israels withhold water & let them starve.. right now this is going on

what would you do if someone was doing this to your family?

what would you do if right across the street was green grass while you struggle to have enough to drink?

[–]yarmy 89 points90 points ago

Borrow money from my parents and start a business.

[–]cc81 42 points43 points ago

What should Israel do? They fully retreated from Gaza and Hamas was elected and it started to rain missiles on Israel. They were pretty passive after Operation Cast Lead and now Hamas has smuggled missiles capable of hitting Tel Aviv.

There is an incredibly simple solution to this. If Hamas and similar groups stopped shooting missiles at another sovereign country then they would get increased freedom. Look at the west bank for example.

[–]LiamNeesonAteMyBaby 51 points52 points ago

They are certainly both to.blame, but in a schoolyard fight do you think the thin weedy guy should be blamed for retaliating against the group of footballers trying to stomp his face in? The power disparity is ludicrous, any statement about this conflict that doesn't at least acknowledge that is hyperbole. The situation is not equal. Israel has all the power thus they must shoulder the most blame.

[–]Fuck_ALL_Religion 33 points34 points ago

Your analogy is flawed. In this case, the thin weedy guy's response is to indiscriminately kill random bystanders, which is quite different from defending himself against the footballers. What's worse is that the deaths of the bystanders aren't even accidental collateral damage from trying to defend himself. His intention was to kill random bystanders, not to defend himself.

[–]whitewateractual 3 points4 points ago

That's one hell of a casual schoolyard fight.

[–]i_like_underscores_ 4 points5 points ago

I hate this attitude towards the Israel/Palestine conflict. That both sides do bad things to one another and so we can not assign blame. In my opinion Israel is to blame mostly, or at least are the ones best positioned to solve the conflict. Replace the word Palestinian with the word black and then consider whether you still think the blacks are asking for it when .1% of blacks resist violently.

[–]RabiD_FetuS 2 points3 points ago

I like how all of the arguing below your comment is basically confirmation of what you just said. The two sides pointing fingers at all the shitty stuff the other has done...

[–]kleptophobiac 12 points13 points ago

Phrase: "I shot a rocket back."

Reality: "I fired an explosive device, in an act of attempted murder, hoping only that it would land in a populated area, without regard for the guilt, innocence, gender, or age of my victims."

Every act of violence, regardless of "justification," carries with it consequences.

A plague on both their houses.

[–]umilmi81 3 points4 points ago

"And I hid among women and children while firing it."

[–]darkrom 41 points42 points ago

Just throwing this out there, but I don't know a single innocent person who just happens to own a rocket launcher. Hard to pretend you aren't at least part of the problem when you have anti-aircraft weaponry laying around.

[–]InsaneLampshade 15 points16 points ago

FPSRussia would disagree...

[–]Armand28 139 points140 points ago

Anyone who believes any of this shit needs a reality check.

Go read Hamas' charter then tell me what you think, K?

[–]HaroldHood 154 points155 points ago

For the lazy:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

[–]Crestfallen_Username 72 points73 points ago

haha, jew trees.

[–]Intifada221 10 points11 points ago

Well money does grow on trees.

[–]victordavion 2 points3 points ago

Not all trees. Just the Gharkad.

[–]lolmonger 29 points30 points ago

....so the Hamas strategy relies on Muslim sympathetic ents?

fuck these people are weird

[–]sgthombre 7 points8 points ago

Perhaps the ents will think the Jews are Orcs?

[–]lolmonger 4 points5 points ago

Wait.

The orcs are the enemies....killed by the living/talking trees.....Hamas has to destroy these enemies......oh. my. god.

The two towers....our towers

Our all seeing eye... in surveillance satellites.

Welp, fellas, I think we're Mordor.

Hamas is Gondor, and al-Quaida had 19 members in the Fellowship.

It's been staring us in the face all along!

[–]TheNewYorkJetCocks 2 points3 points ago

One does not simply walk into America.

[–]feather_moon 17 points18 points ago

Seriously, reddit? Somebody posts a quote from Hamas's charter--which straight-up says that they wish to kill Jews in order to bring the Day of Judgement (read: JEWS, not ISRAELIS)--and the only responses are "lol talking trees ents lol"?

Come on people. This kind of mentality is definitely a huge part of the problem. Don't just joke about it and ignore it. If Israel had this sort of rhetoric in any kind of government document, everyone would be flipping out about it.

[–]CoffinRehersal 0 points1 point ago

Uh, I've never really heard anyone argue that Hamas is a pillar of sanity, so I don't think people are very surprised that their charter is bat-shit crazy. I think most people understand that both sides are pretty much giant cocksuckers. A lot of it comes out sounding like support for Hamas because all things considered they are the underdog and have it worse at the moment.

[–]Peter89 58 points59 points ago

Be careful when reminding people about the truth, especially on reddit.

[–]0sr0 19 points20 points ago

Copy paste from wiki because I'm tired of explaining this to people just to be downvoted anyway. The charter isn't relevant. Hamas uses its 2005 election manifesto where they recognise Israel. It's like quoting France's very racist national anthem to dismiss anything France does, or quoting the Torah to dismiss anything Israel does.

But, the truth in this case isn't the "truth" you want to hear.

Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal indicated to Robert Pastor, senior adviser to the Carter Center, that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."[82] Hamas do not use the Charter on their website and prefer to use their election manifesto to put forth their agenda.[83][84] Pastor states that those who quote the charter rather than more recent Hamas statements may be using the Charter as an excuse to ignore Hamas.[82]

British diplomat and former British ambassador to the UN Sir Jeremy Greenstock stated in early 2009 that the Hamas charter was "drawn up by a Hamas-linked imam some [twenty] years ago and has never been adopted since Hamas was elected as the Palestinian government in 2006"

[–]Thuren 31 points32 points ago

I'd love to see the people blaming Israel come up with a course of action that would solve this situation, or at least avoid bombing/blocking Gaza. It's easy to complain when you're not responsible.

In any conflict, one has to look at both sides and see what is actually possible to do. Can the people of Gaza revolt against Hamas? Nope. Can Israel just accept the rockets without any reaction? Nope. Can Hamas just stop sending rockets?

[–]adrenaline_rush 1 point2 points ago

Isn't it an american sign?

[–]Headeik 3 points4 points ago

I'm not pro-Israeli or anti-Palestine. I'm not pro-Palestine or anti-Israeli. I'm anti-stupid! Plenty of stupid people on both sides it seems...... Jewish and muslim mythology aren't helping either.

[–]C_purpurea 3 points4 points ago

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

[–]Faps_McTickle 17 points18 points ago

They...took yur jobs?

[–]pusangani 9 points10 points ago

Rebellion and guerilla warfare is only ok when it's nice white kids fighting russians

[–]xmod2 6 points7 points ago

Or the British.

[–]kermth 50 points51 points ago

Yup, shooting a rocket back.. that is definitely going to help the situation isn't it.

[–]IsraelDissident 51 points52 points ago

Writing strongly worded letters hasn't helped them for the past 64 years.

[–]kermth 56 points57 points ago

Neither has shooting rockets. It is not like that is a new tactic.

[–]URPerfect 21 points22 points ago

Well, they also tried hijacking planes, killing entire olympic delegation, bombing international airports in Rome, Athens and Tel Aviv, bombing malls and shopping centers, buses and pizzeria eateries, coffee shops, there was a school attack in Maalot with hostage situation and many kids got shot from a very short range by their captors... Yup, those did not help either. How about recognizing the right of state of Israel to exist side by side? That idea never floated around.

[–]yetkwai 57 points58 points ago

Yeah, some bad stuff happened to me. So it's ok for me to murder someone that is of the same race as the people that did a bad thing to me.

Am I right?

[–]Bumgill 47 points48 points ago

I think the argument is "you effectively declared war on me and 'my people', so I'll fight a war against you and yours"

[–]cc81 74 points75 points ago

But it was the arabs that declared war in 1947? And then again several times.

[–]S_204 63 points64 points ago

And they've lost war after war and too many citizens to count but they insist on continuing to attempt a resolution through violence... I don't comprehend how they think that can work out for them in the end.

[–]Prathik 4 points5 points ago

I dont understand this either, they have a legitimate claim to protest, they should abuse the hell out of it, but instead they fire rockets and use violence.

The entire world would have supported the palestinians by now if they protested peacefully, but instead we have a polarized world with a them vs us attitude, much like the sri lankan civil war which also started through discrimination and injustice.

[–]S_204 2 points3 points ago

I agree, if a resolution can be found it can't be found with rockets or ground attacks.

[–]absolutebeginners 3 points4 points ago

Agreed, talk about injustices all you want, of which there are many, but this continued rocket fire is obviously not solving anything. What the hell is Hamas thinking? This is what happens when religion dictates your foreign policy.

[–]queequeger 13 points14 points ago

You and I have very different definitions for the phrase "some bad stuff." It wasn't a parking ticket.

[–]yetkwai 21 points22 points ago

Change "I shot a rocket back" to "I murdered a random family".

Do you still feel like it's ok?

If its fair for him to downplay murder, it's fair for me to downplay the other stuff isn't it?

[–]wotmania505 4 points5 points ago

Is it wrong of me to be very suspicious of the Palestinians who are firing rockets? My reasoning is this: A proportional increase in the number of rockets fired should show up as a proportional increase in the number of deaths. Since this hasn't happened at all I can only think of three reasons why:

  1. Israel is much better at protecting their citizens then I would think possible.
  2. The militants aim badly enough but consistently enough that most rockets hit the same place off-target (Which would seem like an incredibly odd strategy - random firing in a small radius would seem much more effective...)
  3. The militants are purposefully aiming most of the rockets to cause minimal casualties.

Now, hear me out. Were the militants to cause serious casualties, the rest of the world would likely be more OK with Israel responding with the force they do now. On the other hand, by remaining an annoyance just large enough that it can't be ignored, they maintain the image of being oppressed and not being able to defend themselves at all.

Of course, this isn't to say they don't have a reason for firing the rockets in the first place, but hearing things like "oh, the number of rockets has increased 10x over the last months" or something like that, without any increase in effectivenous, makes me really wonder whats going on.

Does anyone have any other theories or reasons why this isn't the case? I freely admit this is pure speculation based on very little actual evidence.

[–]openist 4 points5 points ago

it makes me sad that reddit is full of Israeli apologists now...

[–]Aiursrage2k 0 points1 point ago

Yeah if you are too weak to win you lose. Maybe if you shot 100k rockets you would win and not lose. Dont half ass it

[–]sunscooter 1 point2 points ago

I shot a rocket back, YEAH

them other boys watch while I attack,YEAH

-Justin Timberlake

[–]karadan100 2 points3 points ago

I say just nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[–]bbenja4 0 points1 point ago

okay. Then who shot the 249 other rockets?

[–]PercyChuggs 0 points1 point ago

Two wrongs make a right.

[–]zerulia 2 points3 points ago

THIS IS THE MOST DEPRESSING THREAD EVER.

[–]rindindin 2 points3 points ago

A certain subreddit's Israeli v Palestinian culture is leaking again. Someone please go patch it.

[–]springfieldcolors 2 points3 points ago

Won't say shit I don't know anything about anything

[–]IdleGod 0 points1 point ago

Yea, but at this point, literally both sides are just "shooting back". Someone needs to man up and just, not shoot back, because they will just "shoot back" at you shooting back.

[–]BobertSillyus 2 points3 points ago

any parent knows when two children fight over a toy you take it away from both of them

[–]BazouzaBazouzi 6 points7 points ago

Is it just me or does Gaza eerily resemble the situation in the Warsaw ghetto?

[–]Ikeddit 12 points13 points ago

A rocket? A rocket?

Dozens of rockets every day.

For decades.

Yeah, love these ridiculous propaganda pictures that people on the internet don't know any better about.

[–]Pault66 10 points11 points ago

From CNN: Israel planned a cease-fire for Friday to accommodate him, according to a senior official from the Israeli prime minister's offer. But the move was contingent on Gazans also holding their fire. The militant group al-Qassam, Hamas' military arm, rejected the idea. Israeli defense spokesman Capt. Barak Raz complained via Twitter that during Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil's visit, 50 rockets flew out of Gaza toward Israel.