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[–]Roman420 91 points92 points ago

Israel is treating gaza like district 9.

[–]bigbeekeekilla 48 points49 points ago

Worse. Worse than insects. That movie is based off an allegory for apartheid and so is Israel.

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    [–]SovereignMan 98 points99 points ago

    Israel made it clear that the Palestinians would be punished if they continued to pursue UN recognition.

    [–]south-of-the-river 13 points14 points ago

    Yep, if you go and try to improve your human rights via an internationally recognized human rights body, there will be serious consequences.

    [–]21022012REDACTED 10 points11 points ago

    this

    [–]emr1028 4 points5 points ago

    Except that was referring to the West Bank, not Gaza.

    [–]Sailer 11 points12 points ago

    The people of Gaza are Palestinians. And the reference was to Palestinians. Which part of this confuses you?

    [–]emr1028 4 points5 points ago

    No actually, the reference was simply to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, not Hamas in Gaza. What part of this confuses you?

    [–]21022012REDACTED 2 points3 points ago

    Israel made it clear that the Palestinians would be punished if they continued to pursue UN recognition.

    he doesn't specify which Palestinians, or where. Palestinians in west bank are just as Palestinian as the ones in gaza.

    which part of this confuses you?

    [–]iamatfuckingwork 2 points3 points ago

    Everything confuses me, all of the time.

    [–]emr1028 0 points1 point ago

    OK, but in real life, as opposed to your own version of reality, Netanyahu's remarks were targeted at the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and have nothing to do with the situation in Gaza.

    [–]theageofnow 2 points3 points ago

    Lieberman's policy paper was about the PA, which is lead by Fatah. The PA is not going to "leave out" Gaza in the statehood bid.

    Regardless, Netanyahu called for elections a few weeks ago. Elections are coming up.

    [–]21022012REDACTED 0 points1 point ago

    the post you're attempting to spin makes no mention of ntnyh, or his remarks...

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      [–]miffelplix 71 points72 points ago

      Israel completely controls the situation--it decides when to make war, and when to make peace. The blood of both Palestinians and Israelis is on its hands.

      [–]Redhawk1000 14 points15 points ago

      Also Israeli elections are coming up. This sort of thing will probably push the Israelis to elect a more right-wing government.

      [–]beamish14 7 points8 points ago

      Is it really possible to have one that's more reactionary than what they've got right now?

      [–]ymmij 5 points6 points ago

      unfortunately, yes... we need only look at history

      [–]BaobhanSithOf the mound 2 points3 points ago

      Israel is going to be literally Hitler.

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        [–]Debra_S 19 points20 points ago

        It was clever of the artist to use the New York skyline to represent Israel.

        You can see the Twin Towers, the slanted top Citibank building and the pyramid top which may be the New York Life Building.

        [–]richardcharliesam 8 points9 points ago

        The text was added to the original cartoon. Fitting either way.

        Original

        [–]GenTso 5 points6 points ago

        The Citibank building lost its top between panels 3 and 4 and should now be extremely unstable with no damper.

        No wonder they're pissed.

        [–]iamatfuckingwork 6 points7 points ago

        When I was 21, I signed up for a citibank credit card with a 3,000 dollar limit in order to get a free burrito.

        [–]panjialang 2 points3 points ago

        Is that why you're at fucking work?

        [–]iamatfuckingwork 1 point2 points ago

        Indeed

        [–]jerusalem 26 points27 points ago

        israel is bombing a ghetto under occupation and curfew.

        how pathetic and cowardly. that is like the US lobbing bombs into the south bronx from NYC.

        disgusting.

        [–]Redhawk1000 119 points120 points ago

        Then we get the usual international clowns saying "Israel has the right to defend itself".

        [–]Gormogon 28 points29 points ago

        I wrote a comment today on some post regarding Israel stating it was a waste of time posting because the Israel downvote brigade was about (which they were) I got about 10 votes immediately.

        No matter how much they try to quench the flow of information regarding their atrocities it will get out. It is so plain to see what they are doing and how they are spinning most of the media in both England, the US and probably the rest of world.

        [–]Maox 20 points21 points ago

        It has been out for over 50 years. They don't care, and thanks to US policy, they don't have to.

        [–]ronintetsuroSeeing the fnords 5 points6 points ago

        The Zionist regime is losing influence. This is why they are working so hard to control the popular opinion.

        [–]HouseOfHouse 0 points1 point ago

        Why not visit the website?

        http://www.thejidf.org/

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          [–]Yserbius -4 points-3 points ago

          Just curious, what would /r/conspiracy consider a proper retaliation to the Hamas rocket attacks? The peaceful solutions were tried in 2005 when there was no blockade or occupation, yet Hamas still attacked Israel with rockets. And no, before you say it, sending all Jews out of Israel is not a viable solution.

          [–]ymmij 82 points83 points ago

          How about ending the apartheid; and allowing Palestinians be equal citizens, equal rights with an equal vote.

          [–]HouseOfHouse 32 points33 points ago

          Apparently that was about to happen but Israel assassinated the man who wrote the permanent peace deal. Gershon Baskin who is a Jewish peace advocate and an Israeli/Palestinian activist has said Jabari the man who was killed in the airstrike in his car was only hours away from making a long term peace deal between Hamas and the Israeli government.

          http://www.timesofisrael.com/jabari-supported-ceasefire-with-israel-claims-israeli-who-negotiated-with-hamas/

          Note: The gentlemen who made this claim is Jewish and not a spokesman for either Hamas or Israel. It looks as if this was to stop the peace deal because Israel knew about the peace deal.

          [–]Sailer 14 points15 points ago

          It's long been clear that Israel needs war to justify its apartheid and its expanding control of land in The Middle East. Peace is simply not going to be allowed.

          [–]BaobhanSithOf the mound 2 points3 points ago

          What's to stop them if they're allowed to have as many nuclear weapons as they like without joining non-proliferation agreements but egg the rest of the world to attack their enemies at the slightest indication that they might one day have even a couple?

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            [–]cornfarmer 2 points3 points ago

            If this is true...it would have been a beautiful day. But, then Israel happened.

            [–]ShillsShillingShillsChertoff is Russian for "son of the devil". 0 points1 point ago

            As likely as this appears. It shouldn't take this incident to realize that it is not in the intrerest of Israel to give up an inch of land. They don't want and never have wanted a two state solution.

            He isn't the first to be martyred by Israel for attempting to bring about peace, and he won't be the last. War is a business and Israel will not stop until their dream of a Greater Israel is realized.

            [–]thegman1238 0 points1 point ago

            The fucker had the blood of hundreds of Israeli lives on his hands. The peace deal by him was probably something to allude calm in Israel, knowing this conniving Palestinian bastard.

            [–]FluffyPurpleThing 14 points15 points ago

            The Gaza strip is not part of Israel. It's its own territory with a Palestinian authority and control.

            EDIT: I'm replying to the comment that said "allow Palestinians to be equal citizens, equal right with equal vote". They can'e be equal citizens with the right to vote if they live in a separate entity. One that does not belong to Israel. That's all I'm saying.

            [–]ymmij 50 points51 points ago

            let's not forget, Israel was created in the late 1940s, by the West. Before that, it was all Palestine.

            [–]cgeezy22 -5 points-4 points ago

            And before it was all Palestine?

            Look, lets not pretend that the Palestinians have supreme ownership of this land.

            The Ottomans, Romans, Persians, Egyptians and nearly every other country and group of people in the region have controlled this land since the beginning of time.

            [–]ymmij 21 points22 points ago

            I’m not pretending, they do have a superior claim. I'm merely going back in history to living memory, not 1,000 + years. The two are not equal.

            [–]MrTulipSkeptic / Paid Shill 0 points1 point ago

            so if israel holds out a few more decades it will be legit?

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              [–]PossAbilities 1 point2 points ago

              Yes, let us revert all borders to how they were recorded in the bible, clearly that is the most reliable way of apportioning land, present nations be damned!

              [–]tdrules -1 points0 points ago

              You know I don't think any of the civilisations you mentioned have had control of Palestine in the last 1000 years

              [–]FromTheGarage 1 point2 points ago

              Why was this guy downvoted? You guys all just downvote people who don't share your extreme view of the situation. I don't support the violence, but I also don't support hypocrisy.

              [–]ymmij 2 points3 points ago

              extreme view? and yes, it's my experience that people down vote things they don't agree with... that is not hypocrisy.

              [–]Sailer -2 points-1 points ago

              Downvoted because he denies that Palestinians ever had any measure of self government, when the truth is that they always did. Well, until the Zionist Jews arrived, they did. That ended right after WWII.

              [–]FromTheGarage 4 points5 points ago

              Yeah... that's not entirely accurate.

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                  [–]Redhawk1000 22 points23 points ago

                  ...And an Israeli blockade over its land and sea borders. The Palestinians have no control over their own borders.

                  [–]iamnotfromtexas90 -3 points-2 points ago

                  One word. Egypt.

                  [–]161719 2 points3 points ago

                  Hi. I live in Egypt. Here is why I hate when people bring up the "durr hurr Egypt border" as if it is a moral equivalent to what the Israeli government is doing.

                  1) Israel blockades Palestine and lets nothing in by sea. Camp David severely limits the amount of troops and control Egypt can have of Sinai, at Israel's request.

                  2) Israeli settlers continue to take over Palestinian lands across Palestine.

                  3) Israel enjoys wide support from the US, so any action by Egypt would result in swift problems coming from the US.

                  4) Egypt's economy is fucked. The government is barely there. They are writing a new constitution at the moment and trying to prevent the people from starving or burning the place down.

                  5) Egypt has no resources for dealing with the problem.

                  It's like if I went into your house, kicked your ass and locked you in the basement. Then everyone in the neighborhood got pissed, and I said "tough shit, I live here now, why doesn't he go live in some other house near by? They don't want him either so what I did was justified."

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                      [–]an_old_boot 2 points3 points ago

                      Don't you mean the west bank? Hamas controls Gaza. The PA controls the west bank.

                      [–]Sailer 1 point2 points ago

                      Israel controls the West Bank. Let's be serious, shall we?

                      [–]thegman1238 0 points1 point ago

                      But who is peacefully established there?

                      [–]Sailer 0 points1 point ago

                      Before the Zionists arrived with their weapons? There were people of all faiths living peacefully together there, in that part of Jordan and TransJordan, and in Palestine, all the way to the Mediterranean Sea.

                      [–]an_old_boot 0 points1 point ago

                      West bank and Gaza are essentially walled refugee camps. Peacefully established. Sheesh!

                      [–]thegman1238 0 points1 point ago

                      Because the Palestinians obviously don't want to live peacefully with Israel.

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                        [–]driveling 0 points1 point ago

                        A territory that Israel does not what to be declared a separate country from Israel.

                        [–]bigbeekeekilla 1 point2 points ago

                        The Palestinian authority, according to Israel, only controls the West Bank. Hamas controls Gaza. Hamas was elected to lead, but Israel disregarded that election because.... they don't like Hamas. Divide and conquer.

                        [–]Sailer -2 points-1 points ago

                        Yeah, well, there's the embargo, and there's the fact that Gaza used to be about five times as big as it is now. Before the Zionist Jews who run Israel stole most of Gaza from them, that is.

                        [–]gthegreatest 0 points1 point ago

                        Not stole, conquered, there is a difference.

                        [–]Sailer 2 points3 points ago

                        You could not be more correct. There is NO other way forward than a multicultural state in which equality is the law.

                        [–]fweng 0 points1 point ago

                        You know there's a Palestinian judge operating in Israel, right? I find the apartheid analogy really frustrating as while there are many parallels, it's not the same as South Africa's former regime

                        [–]Yserbius -3 points-2 points ago

                        So you think that the rocket attacks will stop if Israel declares Gaza an independent Palestinian country?

                        [–]161719 16 points17 points ago

                        With UN recognition, passports, ability to make independent treaties and an end of the blockade? Then yes.

                        [–]BipolarBear0 6 points7 points ago

                        No. Hamas' charter says that they will not stop until every last Jew is dead. Source: Hamas charter, article 7: The Universality of Hamas.

                        [–]wut999 1 point2 points ago

                        The people downvoting you obviously haven't read Hamas' Charter (Charter of Allah).

                        It's filled with Qur'an quotes discussing fighting & killing Jews. Imagine if the reverse was true, and the Israeli Constitution discussed killing Muslims wherever they hide?

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                          [–]thegman1238 0 points1 point ago

                          Oh no they won't. The Palestinian vendetta to destroy Israel will never go away until Israel goes away, which will never happen.

                          [–]Yserbius -1 points0 points ago

                          Then why didn't they stop when Israel pulled out of Gaza and declared them an independent entity in all but name back in 2005?

                          [–]txstoploss 2 points3 points ago

                          Because "in all but" means something.

                          [–]limited_hangoutRichard Nixon 1 point2 points ago

                          will they explicitly condemn attacks on israel and recognize the right to continue to exist as a country? will they work together with israel to provide security and economic benefit to the region?

                          [–]161719 6 points7 points ago

                          I mean, I don't see why not, but I also don't understand why doing whatever the Israelis think is right is a prerequisite for having basic human rights.

                          [–]21022012REDACTED 0 points1 point ago

                          try giving all their land back.

                          [–]wut999 4 points5 points ago

                          Maybe when America gives the Natives all their land, or the UK gives back the Irish all their land, and so on. Every modern country is built upon an injustice somewhere along the line, including "stolen" land. Where's the cut off point for land ownership anyhow? 50 years? 100? 200? 300?

                          [–]21022012REDACTED 0 points1 point ago

                          cliché apples to oranges comparison and this isn't the 18th century

                          [–]DenjinJ 2 points3 points ago

                          It's when the genocide is complete. (If you say the native Americans didn't face a genocide, look up the current definition...)

                          Sure, many things inflicted on the Palestinians count as genocidal, but there are too many of them left for the issue to fizzle out. They may be able to reach a decent sort of peace if Israel backed off to the 1967 borders that the PA agreed to and stop creeping and stealing land from present, modern Palestinians. Otherwise... why should anyone drop the issue? It's still happening.

                          [–]Sejr_Lund -1 points0 points ago

                          Pretty sure the Irish dont want Northern Ireland back

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                            [–]Limbo_Arabanti-Zionist 20 points21 points ago

                            Personally I think a one state solution with the return of millions of Palestinian refugees back to their home land. The country would not be a Jewish state as Jews would be a small minority. Also this would end the aliyah law and they should agree on a new name other than Israel or Palestine.

                            I also think it should be a secular state with an elected government.

                            [–]Sailer 4 points5 points ago

                            I think that what you describe is inevitable. A multicultural nation where Israel is is the only realistic way forward.

                            [–]AmoDman 2 points3 points ago

                            It's realistic that seriously the most highly skilled military on Earth is going to yield its authority to a new state? It's literally just not going to happen.

                            [–]thegman1238 0 points1 point ago

                            That sounds great, but will any of these of these stubborn leaders agree to that? There's to much hate between these two groups of people sadly.

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                              [–]randominternetdude 4 points5 points ago

                              not a viable solution

                              Why? I am sincerely curious.

                              [–]mship 6 points7 points ago

                              But from what I heard on the BBC, Ham as wasn't the ones who did the attacks is this time. It was a small terrorist group. They also pointed out Israel has an upcoming election, which Israel said had nothing to do with their response.

                              [–]Yserbius 2 points3 points ago

                              According to Al Jazeera, they took full responsibility. Furthermore, there is a thin, shifting line between Hamas and the various other groups in the Gaza Strip. Rarely, if ever, has the Gaza government taken action against them for firing rockets at Israel.

                              [–]igrokspock -2 points-1 points ago

                              The moron downvote brigade luckily has fuc-all to do with the facts, which you have pointed out here. Upvote against the dismal tide for you.

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                                [–]bigbeekeekilla 11 points12 points ago

                                The right to return to the land that was stolen. That's the only solution there has ever been.

                                [–]spleenguy18 1 point2 points ago

                                No nation has to earn "the right" to have their land. Only when people can get over that, and look at both peoples as equals, can a peaceful solution work.

                                [–]Sailer 2 points3 points ago

                                You could not be more right.

                                [–]cgeezy22 -2 points-1 points ago

                                Really?

                                Im sure theres some Persians out there that would like their land back, maybe even a few left over Knights Templar that had their land stolen. If we look really hard we could even find some Romans or maybe even a few Egyptians that want their stolen land back.

                                [–]SpiritSausageFingers 1 point2 points ago

                                I agree that a two state solution is more viable then a return of all the land that was taken, but please discontinue the false comparison to REAL ancient history. It's rediculous, I mean the most of the initial landgrab was done 70 yrs ago - those who were displaced are still alive!

                                [–]cgeezy22 1 point2 points ago

                                No I wont stop comparing the two. It absolutely devastates the stolen land nonsense.

                                [–]SpiritSausageFingers 0 points1 point ago

                                I hope your joking, because it is absolutely incomparable.

                                It's like me punching you in the face and saying, get over it. It happened a long time ago, just like the romans.

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                                  [–]fweng 2 points3 points ago

                                  I would comment myself, but I'm guessing that anything going against the conspiracy grain in r/conspiracy will get sownvoted to the seventh circle of hell

                                  [–]Sailer 1 point2 points ago

                                  Give Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories equal rights and watch Peace unfold.

                                  [–]ShillsShillingShillsChertoff is Russian for "son of the devil". 0 points1 point ago

                                  Hamas =/= the civilian population of Gaza.

                                  Punishing the population for the crimes of a regime is an internationally recognized war crime. Those responsible for the killings on either side should be brought to a fair trial and judged accordingly.

                                  You do understand that Hamas is an Islamist movement, fomented and likely orchestrated by Israel? They are not the PLO and they are not the families of Gaza who are suffering for their crimes.

                                  There are to Israel what Al Qaeda is to the US. A groomed excuse to do unspeakable things to innocent people, in order to attain the goal of the state.

                                  Everyone responsible for, directly or indirectly, the loss of innocent life or various other blatant human rights violations in the Occupied Palestinian territories should be punished. That is the fair and just thing to do. Except that would mean that the Prime Ministers and Presidents of ISrael, past and present, countless member of the Knesset, countless Israeli settlers and IDF soldiers, as well as members of Hamas and other violent organizations would all be judged equally and suffer the same fate.

                                  But you don't want that. You don't want what is fair, and that is the frightening truth.

                                  Blessed are the peacemakers.

                                  [–]thegman1238 0 points1 point ago

                                  Hamas is a terrorist organization, but they are in charge of the military of Gaza and many Palestinians support them.

                                  [–]ShillsShillingShillsChertoff is Russian for "son of the devil". 0 points1 point ago

                                  And your point being?

                                  I'll make this simple: Thou shall not kill.

                                  [–]ayuhh -1 points0 points ago

                                  The peaceful solutions were tried in 2005 when there was no blockade or occupation

                                  Are you kidding? Right after hamas won election israelis automatically started rhetoric, attacks and embargo. Israel actually kinda supported fatah in 'civil war' between fatah and hamas broke out(I believe chomsky said it somewhere).

                                  There was never ever anything that israel offered palestinians that was any good, never sovereignty and their own country.

                                  Hamas also repeatedly stated that it would seize all fighting and recognize reality of israel for 1967 borders. Now how about that?

                                  [–]Yserbius -2 points-1 points ago

                                  Well, sort of. Hamas never issued an official declaration that they would stop fighting. Occasionally, a Hamas representative would say that they are willing to accept Israel under the '67 borders, but Haniyeh, Meshaal or someone else vehemently denies it the next day.

                                  As for the historical facts, sure Israel supported Fatah on their war with Hamas after they won the elections, mainly due to the Hamas philosophy of demanding the entire land for Palestine with no compromise. Also, the elections occurred six months after the Israeli pullout, but the rocket launches were going on the entire time and only increased after the elections.

                                  Make no mistake. Hamas is and has always been a terror organization dedicated to the cause of increasing their own power by the targeted murder of Israelis and endangerment of Palestinians.

                                  [–]FromTheGarage 0 points1 point ago

                                  How can people downvote this? He's only posting facts. You of call people in /r/conspiracy should be encouraging of this.

                                  [–]ayuhh 1 point2 points ago

                                  You like forgot that he claimed first that peace was offered and never worked? And then he abandoned that claim now, when pointed out that it was NEVER offered?

                                  How about fucking 3 decades when there were no gaza rocket fire. Was that no time for israelies to act like human beings instead of stealing land? Now when they tell you they cant leave palestinians alone for israelis security you believe that?

                                  He states that hamas would accept 67 borders, but because some single guys (hanyeh is pm according to what I googled) its all not true... and all google results on Meshaal is that he will accept 67 borders, nothing about retracting.

                                  he emphasizes that rockets attacks were going before election, so its their friend fatah? Or is it the fact that no one at the time had any control. And how many rocket attacks compared to 2006? oh 400 vs 1700. And would you say that nazies could work on their own final solution if warszav gheto would fire rockets to berlin in 1940? Breaking news, final solution is the response to jews attacking germany.

                                  Also if he would have dozens links there, then you could maybe praise facts, not when he states opinions.

                                  [–]161719 0 points1 point ago

                                  And no, before you say it, sending all Jews out of Israel is not a viable solution.

                                  That's the fucking straw man. Why do you keep bringing that shit up? Even fucking Hamas agreed to 1967 borders. "Sending all Jews out" in some Biblical bullshit way is not and was never on the table.

                                  [–]thegman1238 -1 points0 points ago

                                  It does, that picture is at such a high level of bullshit it's not even funny. First of all, Gaza does not need to be there in the first place, what problem do the Palestinians have living in Israel peacefully? There's a huge reason it's called the IDF, Israel has NEVER armed another people/country without provocation. The conflict that happened in 2006, I believe was started when Gaza decided to launch hundreds of missiles into Israel even though Israel allowed them to have their own land. Hamas and the people of Gaza have clearly stated that they want to destroy Israel instead of being thakful. Israel knew that they were much more powerful, and they hit Gaza hard to show that trying to harm Israel is futile and they should just give it up and live in peace. These Palestinians obviously don't know what's good for themselves and continue to try and harm Israel.

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                                    [–]IceblinkLuck 11 points12 points ago

                                    not forgetting the restriction on food for people in Gaza, causing stunted growth in a large percentage of teenagers. "To put them on a diet". Brutal.

                                    [–]Demosecrecy 1 point2 points ago

                                    Let us be honest. All of the Islamic countries could band together and wipe Israel off the map. The Persians and Arabs give less of a fuck about the Palestinians than the Israelis do.

                                    [–]igrokspock 2 points3 points ago

                                    After reading through the comments in this thread and looking at the upvotes and downvotes, i am convinced that the bulk of reddit has never seriously studied the situation in israel.

                                    [–]TillShadeIsGone 20 points21 points ago

                                    I'm from West Belfast, in Northern Ireland, and this is all too familiar. Fuck You Israel, and Fuck You Too America. The whole world sees what you're doing.

                                    Edit: By America I mean the regime, and it's supporters. Not all of America, cos I know some 'mericans and some of you guys are cool, you lucky ents :P

                                    [–]BlueThundah 16 points17 points ago

                                    I'll just leave this here.

                                    Just because Israel's Iron Dome system shoots most of them down, doesn't mean that they aren't launched. The reason everyone thinks Palestine rarely ever tries to bomb Israel is because most of the bombs are shot down, and don't get reported on.

                                    [–]TaffyRaphie 4 points5 points ago

                                    This is probably the most important post on here. No matter what side you want to take (Palestine's is apparently the popular reddit vote), this cartoon is just not applicable to this situation.

                                    EIGHT HUNDRED rockets since October is not nothing.

                                    [–]arc4angel100 10 points11 points ago

                                    where is the same list for israeli attacks on Palestine?

                                    [–]Abe_Vigoda 5 points6 points ago

                                    There isn't one.

                                    Wikipedia is very biased in favour of Israel. Surprising sort of since they were busted before for editing articles.

                                    [–]arc4angel100 8 points9 points ago

                                    exactly. This video explains it pretty well

                                    [–]Sailer 2 points3 points ago

                                    Ah, but if you provided that, they would declare your source untrustworthy and illegitimate, trying to make it seem as if the Israeli military does not even ever attack Palestine except when it admits it in the Israeli newspapers.

                                    [–]arc4angel100 1 point2 points ago

                                    The is unbelievably biased on topics involving Israel. In the UK there is never a report based on Israel's illegal military activities, but as soon as 'Hamas' launch one of their attacks, it's breaking news. It's nice to see a small section of the world doesn't have their head up their arse.

                                    [–]ploopterro 2 points3 points ago

                                    no way! there was only one rocket in the cartoon.

                                    I won't say that Israel hasn't turned to violence a little too frequently over the years, but as long as we're counting bullets, nobody can say that Israel is being overly pugnacious.

                                    [–]Windex007 13 points14 points ago

                                    hundreds of rockets are fired from Gaza per month, so this isn't really an accurate depiction.

                                    I think the underlying difference that people have when choosing a side here, is how people weigh the ideas "Frequency of aggressive action" and "success of aggressive action".

                                    Gaza, by far, has a higher frequency of agressive action. Israel, by far, has a much higher success rate (measured by deaths caused) per aggressive action.

                                    I think a more constructive and meaningful dialogue would be about how to measure those two concepts against each other.

                                    [–]161719 0 points1 point ago

                                    Can you provide a citation for the "hundreds of rockets per month," please?

                                    I am curious about where you're getting this. Something tracking it over time would be even better.

                                    [–]roguecongress 1 point2 points ago

                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

                                    [–]Windex007 0 points1 point ago

                                    I'm on my phone atm but I still grabbed a source. perhaps "roughly 100" would have been a more accurate statement. I did a lot of research on Israel/Palestine about 4 years ago and at that point I had found a graph. I''ll take a look for you later.

                                    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE89G1J920121017?irpc=932

                                    EDIT:

                                    So I have found a graph. It is from the Israeli ministry of defence. I understand that I am posting this in /r/conspiracy so something a government says... let alone a government literally full of Jews, might not be what many of you would be considered a trustworthy source.

                                    Now that I've made that full disclosure, here it is:

                                    http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/11BCE504-55F9-4BB7-AF31-E368829F2025/0/msisrockets200112.jpg

                                    I can see that the numbers I had at the front of my mind were the ones from 2008 (the last time I'd really tossed in my 2 cents on the issues), where the rocket attacks were well into the 100's per month.

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                                      [–]161719 12 points13 points ago

                                      Listen: Is anyone else seeing a) the massive build up of pro-Israel propaganda (see IDFspokeperson on Twitter, for example) along with b) Tel-Aviv being hit by IRANIAN MADE rockets as a probable lead up to pre-election Israeli action in Iran?

                                      This is step 1. Step 2 to follow. Keep yo eyes peeled.

                                      [–]skahl000 4 points5 points ago

                                      Alternatively, the Fajr-5 rockets ARE Iranian made, and some feel it important to recognise that Iran is supporting Hamas, a terrorist organisation.

                                      [–]maronics 0 points1 point ago

                                      Of course, the western world has been portraying Israel as a fine state and Palestine as bad terrorists for years. Nobody is talking about how they got their country stolen.

                                      It will only get worse once we get nearer to military strikes in Iran...

                                      [–]ymmij 1 point2 points ago

                                      yep

                                      [–]fulltimegeek -2 points-1 points ago

                                      LOL OH THE IRONY! You've fallen for Muslim and mainstream anti-Israel propaganda but when you hear the truth you call it 'propaganda'.

                                      Sad... PLEASE DON'T FOLLOW THE ANTI-ISRAEL HERD and actually do some research.

                                      [–]161719 1 point2 points ago

                                      Sorry but the Twitter account for a nation's armed forces posting infographics is the biggest propaganda move I've seen in years. This is ridiculous. The Palestinians don't even have passports. Its ridiculous that anyone would imagine that they are even somewhat in control of this situation or having the wherewithall to control public opinion.

                                      Considering the millions spent each year by AIPAC and the Israelis to get the Americans into lock step with their suppression of "savages", it is really fucking wrong what you're trying to say. There is not "mainstream anti-Israel propaganda" in the US. There are a few people who speak out about the Israeli government's actions. They are then called anti-semites.

                                      There are many good Israelis. I've spent time in Israel and the PEOPLE are fine. The government and the right wing in Israel and the US that supports it will be judged by history.

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                                        [–]SteeFex 3 points4 points ago

                                        The fact that this was drawn in 2001 gives it so much more quality.

                                        [–]Sailer 6 points7 points ago

                                        Indeed. This absurd theater plays itself out again and again and again.

                                        [–]Gaddpeis 2 points3 points ago

                                        There is too much hate and deep resentment on both sides for this to be solved overnight. The underlying conflict is, what, 700 years old?

                                        [–]ymmij 8 points9 points ago

                                        That is the myth. The underlying coflict was created with the Palestinians got kicked off their own land by the West in the late 1940s. Then, to make matters worse, the Israeli government has since put Palestinians in tiny ghettos and treated them inhumanely.

                                        [–]treebright 0 points1 point ago

                                        No. Cutting and pasting a comment I made recently:

                                        That's not really true. In 1880, and probably for many centuries before, there were less than 25,000 Jews in the area now known as modern Israel. They were a small minority population living mostly peacefully under the dominion of the Ottoman empire. Many waves of immigration of Jews from Russia, Europe and elsewhere preceded the formation of modern Israel after WWII. Although there were numerous incidents of violence between 1880 and 1946, the conflict as we know it began with the creation of modern Israel.

                                        [–]Sailer 0 points1 point ago

                                        Well, one side is a jailer, and the other side is a prisoner, so it's not exactly a level playing field here, as you imply.

                                        [–]Punkwasher 3 points4 points ago

                                        How do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?

                                        Anyone?

                                        No one?

                                        That's what I thought.

                                        [–]Sailer 5 points6 points ago

                                        There are no Palestinian soldiers. There are only Palestinians who resist.

                                        [–]Punkwasher 3 points4 points ago

                                        I was quoting a Calvin and Hobbes strip, but yeah, you're right.

                                        [–]ymmij 3 points4 points ago

                                        creating israel in palistine was a mistake... and it will not be there forever.

                                        [–]codydodd 7 points8 points ago

                                        Come on, really? I am as much a supporter of Palestinian rights as the rest of us, but getting rid of Israel entirely would be another amoral intervention as well. Innocent people call it their home now. Two state solution or bust. I know it sucks because we have to allow stolen lands to remain stolen, but if you want to be true to history then the US should give back the young indigenous nations they took as well. (Something I guess my home country Canada would need to do as well).

                                        Edit: I say young not because the people's communities were young, but because their adoption of the growing concept and increasingly mandated 'sovereign state' was young. Like everyone else on the planet, nation-states were inevitable at that time, but it is just a shame we snuffed these people's ability to modernize and adapt to history in their own way.

                                        [–]Sailer 4 points5 points ago

                                        It is inevitable that there will be a multicultural society there which offers equality for all. The Apartheid Israeli state simply cannot endure.

                                        [–]ymmij 4 points5 points ago

                                        I agree with your sentiment. Im not advocating the West attempting to relocate Israel. I’m just saying, what is now called Israel was created in the late 1940s by powers outside the region -- as I'm sure you understand. Israel currently gets propped up with many millions of U.S. dollars and subsidies every week. And we provide them with nuclear and other large, expensive weapons? Why is that "necessary"? Because they are living on stolen land; their neighbors, understandably, now resent them and the massive support the West gives them. All I’m saying is, it isn’t sustainable in the long term.

                                        [–]zenshark -1 points0 points ago

                                        It wasn't a mistake. It was strategy.

                                        [–]eduziggy 5 points6 points ago

                                        Israel had 12,000 rockets fired at it in the past few years, 1000 this year, and 130 in one day yesterday. Your political cartoon is misleading and stupid.

                                        [–]codydodd 31 points32 points ago

                                        "Between 2001 and January 2009, over 8,600 rockets had been launched, leading to 28 deaths and several hundred injuries." Wiki.

                                        The Gaza War alone (December 27, 2008 – January 18, 2009) killed over 1400 Palestinians. Wiki.

                                        [–]thegman1238 -1 points0 points ago

                                        That goes to show how retarded Palestinians are. Plunging themselves into conflicts that they cannot win.

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                                          [–]hedbangr 25 points26 points ago

                                          And how many bombs and missiles have landed in Gaza during that time?

                                          [–]ayuhh 10 points11 points ago

                                          Over the decade those rockets killed some 60 people!!!!!!

                                          More palestinians died in the first day in 'cast lead' and probably more israelies died in that decade by choking on food or slipping on banana peels.

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                                            [–]JacktheRipperr 1 point2 points ago

                                            If Israel were to lay down arms tonight, they would all be dead tomorrow, but if the muslim world were to lose all their weapons there would be peace.

                                            But lets root for the underdogs even though they're wrong, because this is America, and real life is like the movies.

                                            [–]NotANinja 1 point2 points ago

                                            What reason is there to believe that if the Muslim world, or even just the Palestinian world were to lay down arms, they would live to see tomorrow?

                                            I can't pretend to know all the nuances, all I know is they were already fighting when I got here, one has the other in a headlock, the other is flailing aggressively and threatening to kill the first if he's let's go, every once in a while the flailing catches the first in the eye to which he responds by cutting off the offending limb.

                                            I suppose I just answered my own question, even tho the one giving the headlock is killing the flailing one in a slow and excruciating way, he hasn't snapped the neck which he could have if he really wanted to.

                                            BTW as someone for whom word choice is important I noticed you refer to 'Israel' VS. 'the muslim world'; awesome imagery, One vs the world... Also 'lay down arms' vs 'lose all their weapons', one can be trusted to put away their guns, the other is a threat as long as it owns any. I don't know if you did that intentionally but it's great theatrical imagery.

                                            [–]Skater_Bruski 0 points1 point ago

                                            That's actually a pretty good analysis.

                                            [–]netgamer7k 1 point2 points ago

                                            Israel are not bad guys. Every time Israel gives up more of their land, Palestinians move their rockets a little closer in so they can get a better shot.

                                            Palestinians are a made up group of people, and Palestine is a fraudulent sham, not a "country". Stop buying into BS!

                                            [–]joemarzenhi 5 points6 points ago

                                            Ug, I imagine I'd have much more in common with Israelis than Palestinians... But, why did they have to put Israel there? In the worst spot? Really? Weren't they thinking of making a Jewish state a bunch of different places after WWII? And they went with the absolute worst one? Now they complain... I know oil, and the lame-o "homeland" thing... Homeland whatever, are you children? Homeland...

                                            [–]GCanuck 15 points16 points ago

                                            Honestly? No one else wanted them.

                                            [–]BipolarBear0 16 points17 points ago

                                            You're right. Many countries would not accept the displaced Jews during and after WWII.

                                            [–]Sailer 2 points3 points ago

                                            Many countries DID make special allowances to Jewish immigration, including the USA, Canada, Britain, virtually all countries in the Western Hemisphere...

                                            [–]AmoDman 1 point2 points ago

                                            The countries actually in control of the land collectively decided for Israel and everybody else that it was the best place for them. Then when the Brits left they were attacked, defended, then retaliated, and it's a mess.

                                            [–]hmcbabeI stand with Israel 0 points1 point ago

                                            To be fair, the Arabs and Palestinians want the land because they also claim that it is their homeland.

                                            [–]Sailer 4 points5 points ago

                                            You make it sound as if the fact that they have been living on this land since the beginning of time is somehow beside the point here. I guess that's your point, to try to put this fact in the background.

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                                              [–]BipolarBear0 1 point2 points ago

                                              http://i.imgur.com/DSN10.jpg

                                              [–]Omarocksdisworld 1 point2 points ago

                                              im a bit confused as to what this is supposed to explain

                                              [–]silent_alarm_clock 4 points5 points ago

                                              That reddit, especially /r/conspiracy, makes everything black and white.

                                              [–]Sailer 4 points5 points ago

                                              Because attacking civilians with Attack Jets, Attack Helicopters, HellFire Missiles and Tanks is sometimes OK?

                                              [–]AmoDman 5 points6 points ago

                                              Just as not 'ok' as daily firing rockets on civilians for decades. Pull your head out of your butt and realize that innocents are being killed on both sides and there are several nuances to the various motivations people are claiming to do so.

                                              [–]CowzGoesMooWorking the Trenches -1 points0 points ago

                                              Just a heads up. This guy cross posts in /r/conspiratard. Basically a troll.

                                              [–]stopscopiesme 0 points1 point ago

                                              You forgot to mention his sick, ugly secret... his fervent support of child nutrition

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                                                [–]j-frost 1 point2 points ago

                                                So... who is who? If you ask Palestineans, it's Isreal, and vice versa. And since everyone seems to be for one or the other, they keep bashing. How about being against both and for peace?

                                                edit: Got proof. Both are treating each other like shit...

                                                [–]AlextheGerman 9 points10 points ago

                                                You would need to be insane to say that e.g. Hamas are good. But pro Palestine usually means pro civilians, since the numbers of deaths on Palestine's side are a lot higher people easily slip into the they-had-it-coming mindset, what isn't right to do. But what I am trying to say, no sane person can think killing civilians because of their nationality is right.

                                                [–]aceIN 0 points1 point ago

                                                Yet here you are with some downvotes. Strange world we live in, huh?

                                                [–]AlextheGerman 1 point2 points ago

                                                I have one according to RES, but those aren't necessarily "real" since reddit tries to counter down/upvote bots which have been silenced from knowing that they have been silenced by throwing a few fake ones in.

                                                [–]Sailer 0 points1 point ago

                                                Don't leave out the essential fact that one 'side' are defenseless prisoners and the other 'side' are heavily armed jailers.

                                                [–]toomuchpork 0 points1 point ago

                                                1 thing worse than prophecy is self fulfilling prophecy. Israel was built to be destroyed and bring on Armageddon. At this rate they will get their wish.

                                                [–]whydoigetbanned 1 point2 points ago

                                                How do u know this is self-fulfilling? It could be the actual prophecy coming true.

                                                [–]toomuchpork 0 points1 point ago

                                                Because prophecy is bullshit. Another annoying fact is how the media wont call it Palestine anymore. It is only Gaza now.

                                                [–]no-cake 0 points1 point ago

                                                If you are wondering why there is so much action surrounding the area i suggest you watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ

                                                [–]0r10z 0 points1 point ago

                                                You have to make it into a gif to make it accurate.

                                                [–]Choopster 1 point2 points ago

                                                dated 6-3-04...

                                                [–]DMrFrost -1 points0 points ago

                                                Why is this posted in conspiracy??

                                                [–]SGT_BLUMPKIN 0 points1 point ago

                                                I'd refer Israel's current actions to a similar previous nation, however the irony would probably kill me.

                                                [–]vtable 0 points1 point ago

                                                Here's the original from Ted Rall's (the cartoonist's) website.

                                                Here's his home page.

                                                [–]vtable 0 points1 point ago

                                                The cartoon's from June 7, 2004, BTW (those that didn't see the date in the image). Just as topical today and will unfortunately likely stay that way for a while.

                                                [–]midnightninja069 0 points1 point ago

                                                Just recently took my red pill, so to speak, can someone give me a quick run-down and help me understand what's really going on with Israel?

                                                [–]shoutwire2007 0 points1 point ago

                                                Israel spy agency creates Hamas to hijack the peace process. Hamas continues to hijack the peace process. Perhaps they are on the same side.

                                                [–]rm213 -1 points0 points ago

                                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEzvhvOcWEs plz watch this

                                                [–]badp4nd4 1 point2 points ago

                                                In all fairness Gaza returned fire with hundreds of rockets, not one. They have been plinking each other for a while now, it was just a matter of time before things went full scale, I'm guessing Obama back in the white house did the trick.

                                                [–]Sailer 0 points1 point ago

                                                In all fairness, a rocket from Gaza does not have a warhead anyway, and it can't really be aimed as a missile can.

                                                [–]IDF_WEB_PATROLI <3 ZIONISM -4 points-3 points ago

                                                I'm so tired. My hands are sore from downvoting and my vision is getting blurry. War is Hell.

                                                [–]nobliss -1 points0 points ago

                                                So Israel is the bad guy? I get it.. I get it..?

                                                [–]SecretDragoonPut some meta in your meta so your meta has meta. -3 points-2 points ago

                                                I think nobody should have the land in that part of the world. Blow it up and make it inhabitable then there will be no bickering over such a small land mass.

                                                [–]norcalaztecs -5 points-4 points ago

                                                Wow this comic totally distorts what is really happening in that area currently

                                                [–]Kebaba -3 points-2 points ago

                                                Shh, don't ruin the circlejerk.

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