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[–]SarcasticGamer 74 points75 points ago

Ah. I thought the smaller man was a chick. Now it makes sense.

[–]HeyJewed 38 points39 points ago

I thought the same thing, but it still made sense to me.

I thought they were saying an atheist couple was getting denied for adoption while a christian family, who was perhaps not as well equipped to raise a family, was allowed to do so.

My friends have been trying, without success, to have a child for 5 years and were denied by the agency they went through because they were atheists. They are now going through another agency and pretending to be christian so they can be approved.

It is a sad sad world we live in.

[–]Aycoth 13 points14 points ago

How is that not religious discrimination?

[–]TManFreeman 3 points4 points ago

It is, but plenty of institutions still get away with it by pretending other factors were their reasons.

[–]Aycoth 5 points6 points ago

You could report them to the IRS if they are taking government money.

You could also call the ACLU, they would have a fucking field day with it.

[–]oftenlygetscatraped 2 points3 points ago

it is religious discrimination.

[–]MadJux 0 points1 point ago

Well I guess if they got a child now, they could go and file a report or sth?

[–]scout-finch 1 point2 points ago

I would just lie and say I was raised Christian but don't attend church.

[–]Aycoth 1 point2 points ago

Tell your friends to drop a line with the ACLU, they will tear that agency a new asshole.

[–]scribbling_des 2 points3 points ago

Ohhhh, thank you for that.

[–]Galebaby 1 point2 points ago

...What on this earth could have made me tag you as "Agrees with Mel Gibson"??

[–]scribbling_des 0 points1 point ago

I have absolutely no idea. I don't know much about him. But I am flattered to know that I have been tagged.

[–]Heliophobe 1 point2 points ago

Well, to be fair, they are all pretty much the same at that age anyways.

[–]JimJimmery 1 point2 points ago

Same, then I realized he's a guy and it made me :(

[–]rockandlove -1 points0 points ago

I think that was the artist's intention. And now I'm crying at my desk. What a powerful image.

[–]rasputine 72 points73 points ago

While i'm sure some people will complain that this is a gross over simplification (I mean, it is...) It is very worthwhile to remember that ass backwards laws keep loving, caring and capable couples from raising foster children simply because some fucking bigots can't get over the fact that their genitals are the same shape.

[–]fenniless 24 points25 points ago

OOOHHHH its two doods!!

[–]asdjo -1 points0 points ago

I thought the two guys were the grown up kids in the other picture, implying that all religious folks are horrible parents and abuse their kids.

This is r/atheism after all...

[–]goodadvice00 13 points14 points ago

Oh, so now there genitals have to be the same shape huh, so your against a gay union between a circumcised and uncircumcised partner, you make me sick

[–]kayleecakes 4 points5 points ago

You're*

[–]cwnc2008 3 points4 points ago

[–]goodadvice00 0 points1 point ago

Well i also didn't put a period at the end of the sentence. No one ever cares about those.

[–]Jeroknite 0 points1 point ago

So you missed your period? I'm afraid you have a case of "the pregnants".

[–]Sallymander 0 points1 point ago

Periods only get recognized once a month and even then no one wants to

[–]owlsrule143 1 point2 points ago

The point is that bad parents are bad parents regardless of if they're single, adoptive, gay, straight, Christian, atheist, drug addicts, or have very important jobs, easy jobs. Christians like to use the argument of "it's bad for the children" against gay marriage. The same could be said of straight parents who argue too much because the husband is a filthy man or she thinks he's a bad role model sometimes. That arguing is bad for children too, yet you don't see Christians saying marriage should be illegal without a training course for parents

[–]squigs 34 points35 points ago

I don't think the heterosexual family would be permitted to adopt either.

[–]alexandermccarthey87 25 points26 points ago

I read a book called sickened, where a woman who had a psychological disorder called munchausen by proxy which makes them act out violent tendencies on children, ran an adoption mill. I've heard thousands of cases where foster parents or adoptive parents beat, molest, and do all sorts of crazy things to the children and the sad truth is, this is more common than you could imagine.

The fact is, the children are passed off by strapped social workers who don't take the time to ensure that the home is suitable and who basically want to make sure the children don't stay in the system. The laws against homosexuals adopting kids can hurt the children more than anything. A large percentage of the population that wants to adopt is gay, so it keeps children who can be adopted in the system longer, and studies have shown time and time again that there are no detrimental effects to giving a child to gay parents. But there are massive effects to leaving a child in the system.

[–]Vodka_Octopus 2 points3 points ago

Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things here. Münchausen Syndrome by proxy (MSbp) is not acting out violently toward children. MSbp is when an adult carries out harm on a child with the intention of bringing attention onto themselves. Additionally, MSbp is incredibly controversial within the psychological community due to a history of limited verifiable cases and a history of frequent falsified diagnoses. It also doesn't help that it is an inherently dramatic subject that has been used in the entertainment industry for almost two decades now.

What you're describing is just straight child abuse.

[–]askelon 1 point2 points ago

It depends. From time to time these things have fallen through the cracks.

[–]toThe9thPower 2 points3 points ago

There are countless stories of horrible people getting tons of foster children. I remember one instance where they kept all the children in cages and just collected all the money for having them. Plus there are tons of former foster children who come forward with terrible stories of abuse. So this definitely does happen more than it should.

[–]PandaSandwich 2 points3 points ago

No, but they can still have as many kids as they want.

[–]sapunec7854 4 points5 points ago

No offence but that's not an argument, chap.

[–]kgva 0 points1 point ago

You would be surprised.

[–]myc34 35 points36 points ago

at first i didn't even notice it was a gay couple, all i saw was a family. hmmmm to bad every one doesn't see that.

[–]Patches67 6 points7 points ago

Same here.

[–]MissRemix 2 points3 points ago

Until I got to your comment, I hadn't noticed either and was wondering why the conversation was bent that way. Had to go back and check.

[–]alphaturino 0 points1 point ago

Shit I didn't even notice it was a gay couple

[–]Titan357 2 points3 points ago

Me either, I just saw a family. Still do.

[–]wiscondinavian 0 points1 point ago

I actually didn't notice it was a gay couple... but my mind also processed the smaller guy as a woman...

[–]kerdon 0 points1 point ago

To bad, or not to bad? That is the question.

[–]fixthecopier 15 points16 points ago

This may be over simplified but a large amount of fundies believe that a man and woman, no matter how bad, would be better than same sex. When men kiss too much, God has to send a hurricane.

[–]gamerholic 8 points9 points ago

The bottom picture is what of think more likely happen if women are not permitted to abort and are forced to keep unwanted children.

[–]LouIchthys 16 points17 points ago

Is this intellectually honest?

[–]TheJabrone 3 points4 points ago

If the person who watches the picture applies som reasonable thought, then yes, it is. The picture is not saying "All homosexual couples make wonderful parents and heterosexual parents are awful". It aims (and succeeds, when aforementioned thought is applied) to show the ridiculous nature of discriminatory adoption law.

[–]knighmare 17 points18 points ago

Well given that in many american states gay people cannot legally adopt while families as you see here are constantly deemed fit foster homes and get full adoptions, yes, yes it is.

[–]NeuroG 5 points6 points ago

Yes, because it clearly depicts the silliness of homophobic adoption laws when there are much more important criteria to determine fit parents.

[–]kgva 0 points1 point ago

Yes. Source: I was adopted from foster care. My adopted family is great, but a foster home neglected me so badly that I couldn't walk or talk very well at two years old when I was rescued from there.

[–]SirGriffey 1 point2 points ago

This hurts.

[–]Spare3Parts 3 points4 points ago

I understand the message, and it's sweet, but as someone who went through an adoption there is no way in hell the second family would be approved for adoption. That's me being picky. That aside, it's sweet and I agree with the message.

[–]kgva 0 points1 point ago

On the contrary, it happens a lot more often than you think.

[–]SilentJeans 0 points1 point ago

Why did the artist put a cross in the picture?

[–]scribbling_des 3 points4 points ago

I would assume it is for two reasons. One, Christian ideals are to blame for the fact that homosexual couples can't adopt in so many places. And Christian ideals would also deem a Christian home more fit than another, regardless of what really lies behind the facade of the family.

[–]Collosis 2 points3 points ago

Often showing that a house is Christian and allegedly has good moral foundings adds brownie points to the decision of whether or not they can be a foster family.

[–]viperex 0 points1 point ago

I'm wondering the same thing. You can remove the cross from the bottom picture and put it in the top and it will still be valid

[–]avnti 2 points3 points ago

Although i love my grandpa, i kinda always wished my gramma was a lesbian, and that she raise me with her partner. But alas...

Oh also, my growing up very much looked like the lower image. Plus more kids, and my dad was thin, but still a drunk.

[–]Warod0 1 point2 points ago

I'll be "that" guy and say that this has nothing to do with atheism. While churches might be against gay people adopting, they aren't the ones with the refused stamps.

[–]zkevin 2 points3 points ago

Let me get this straight... a church's bigoted stance on how gay couples can't raise children (adopted or otherwise) in preference to a "normal" family doesn't belong on an atheist forum?

[–]Warod0 -1 points0 points ago

No matter what the church's stance on the subject is, the final word doesn't come from them. Its not their decision. Blaming the church for the situation depicted here is not healthy.

[–]Conot 0 points1 point ago

Blaming the church, in a system where the opinions of the common man is not represented in a government, would be unhealthy.

Blaming the church, in a system where the opinions of the common man often influences decisions made in law is correct and absolutely belongs on a atheist forum.

The main proponent against gay marriage/adoption is Christian, on the basis that homosexuals are sinful etc. etc. (this despite the fact that at no point does Jesus himself express any opinion on homosexuality), thus, the fact that homosexuals are denied adoption on the basis that they are gay, is most certainly of import to a atheist forum.

[–]PSNDonutDude 0 points1 point ago

The picture has a religious couple, shown by the cross. It has enough to do with atheism to at least be discussed on this forum. Stop complaining or submit your own content.

[–]Warod0 1 point2 points ago

Replace that cross with a black person in the background that has nothing to do with the story being told. Would you post that on a anti-racism forum? Don't think so.

[–]jehoshaphat 0 points1 point ago

I see your point, but you must realize that the policies set for who cannot adopt and who is deemed fit are created by people with their own agendas. Also, the religious have been pushing big time that homosexual couples are not fit. This jabs more at the idea that somehow homosexuals are incapable of proper child raising than anything else. Much of the policies set in the US are based on religious ideologies even if they are not directly saying "bible says so."

[–]bedit 1 point2 points ago

Maybe that dog is dangerous. Or they might have drank half of that bottle of vodka on the table before the visit. Or maybe it's just because America hates homosexuals.

[–]Rakiel 0 points1 point ago

You know what is sad is how true this is. I have a friend who was in this type of a situation. Her adopted family was terrible. They would even force feed her vomit if she was sick with a fork.... She has scars on the inside of her mouth from it...

[–]GamerKat 0 points1 point ago

:-( Poor girl. Give her a hug from me.

[–]owwhatthe 1 point2 points ago

The last Modern Family's season finale was unexpectedly sad.

[–]CanadianWizardess 0 points1 point ago

"I'm sitting on a rock." "I'm sitting next to my rock."

[–]jebus67 1 point2 points ago

I'm sorry to say that yes its seems like an over simplification, but there is great truth in this strip. My parents have been doing foster care since I was 5 years old, back then they were illegal immigrants and were still receiving children like candy on Halloween. We once took take care of 6 kids with absolutely no warning ( at least I had no warning ). We adopted one, it was really easy, zero hassle. My parents only did it for the money and me and my sisters were forced to care of them while my parents left the house. These agencies NEVER go through proper regulations and it sickenes me.

[–]RobertTheSpruce 1 point2 points ago

In fairness I would deny Matt Damon and Ben Affleck children too.

[–]cecilxx 0 points1 point ago

People against adoption by same sex couples are basically saying that they would much rather that child grow up an orphan than in a gay household.

[–]onewingatatime 1 point2 points ago

I grew up in adoption houses... this picture is horrifingly accurate.

[–]Qieth 1 point2 points ago

I read it as "Abortion". Didn't get it. Then I thought I got it. Then I realised I didn't get it. I got it now.

[–]superbatarrowlantern 0 points1 point ago

Same story here man. I thought the top picture was the couple who got denied an abortion and then become a disfunctional family. Also, thought one of the gay men was a woman.

[–]Qieth 0 points1 point ago

I guess it could have been more clear. At least the meaning hits home now :P

I'm happy to say that I live in a country where gays can adopt! :)

[–]mambypambyland -1 points0 points ago

All gays are loving, affectionate people and all white straights are fat, disfuctional, beer-swigging, children beating Christians.

Strawman much?

[–]CanadianWizardess 0 points1 point ago

That's not what the cartoon is saying at all. The point is, different criteria should be used to determine who gets to adopt, other than the sex of the parents. It is illegal in many US states for a gay couple to adopt, no matter how competent and loving they would be as parents.

[–]Toshiro_Mifune 0 points1 point ago

Damn straights!

[–]atta_girl 0 points1 point ago

God. That is so devastatingly true.

[–]galaxykittymewowfuck 1 point2 points ago

All the feels!!!!!!!!! :(

[–]offmyrocker88 0 points1 point ago

Interestingly enough this depiction is just as harmfull and unjust to Christians. We as a society are moving from one discrimination to another. Due to the fact that we sympathize with a down trodden minority over everything else. So lets forget we are all human beings and turn our backs on other beliefs because new beliefs make us feel better about ourselves. Whether you are Gay, Straight or for or against Christianity turning around and bashing others in such a manner shows your no different at all.

[–]PavlovsVagina 0 points1 point ago

My father and his 4 siblings, ages 8 months - 10 years old, were abandoned in a theater in Atlanta in the 1950s. They remained homeless and starving for nearly 6 weeks, while the oldest sister begged and stole condiments from gas stations to help them survive. All of the children were placed in an adoptive home on a farm with an older couple who had never been able to have children of their own. They desperately wanted children, and needed the help. My father said that the man was a good, strong, hardworking man, and taught them how to work hard, fed them well, clothed them, and put them in school. They lived with the couple, happily, for almost two years. The state, however, got wind of the fact that the couple were atheists and did not attend church.

The children were pulled from the home, and the boys and girls were split up. My dad and his two brothers were put in another home, with a staunchly religious couple who beat them all with a switch on a daily basis to cleanse them of their sins and "bring them closer to Jesus" by showing them how he suffered. They kept him out of school because it was too 'worldly' and the husband drank heavily and abused the wife.

After numerous attempts at running away, they were put in an orphanage called 'The Hill' where they lived for most of the rest of their adolescence, bouncing in and out of other foster homes, getting into drugs, violence, and crime. My dad was finally reunited with the oldest sister about 15 years ago, but they've still been unable to locate the youngest. One of my father's brothers were killed in Vietnam. The other brother has been in and out (mostly in) of jail.

My father is now an activist for equal rights for adoptive parents, whether they be christian, single, gay, domestic partners, etc. It has become a life passion of his to ensure that GOOD PARENTS are able to adopt needy children and provide them with a happy childhood, not just people who check the right boxes.

[–]tronald_duck 0 points1 point ago

As someone who was raised by two women, this made me very happy.

[–]ipatrician 0 points1 point ago

This is the most inaccurate bullshit I've ever seen. Adoption is such a huge process, and not just anyone can adopt a child. Certainly not the family on the bottom. They do multiple visits to your home, sometimes randomly, and you have to show proof of a relatively high income.

You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

[–]whitecrusader 0 points1 point ago

In which fucking country "family" from bottom would get adoption request approved? Fag propaganda at its worst.

[–]SpamFilterHatesMe 1 point2 points ago

Yes. Fat people should not be able to adopt children.

[–]superbatarrowlantern 1 point2 points ago

Yeah. They might eat them.

[–]cumfarts -2 points-1 points ago

nothing to do with atheism

[–]Silvercumulus 2 points3 points ago

But it does.

Gay couples would be allowed to adopt if it wasn't for adoption agencies that often require you to be A) Christian, B) married and C) heterosexual. Trust me. I'm an atheist thinking about adopting and these are the requirements.

Gays would be allowed to adopt if it wasn't for the idea that religion (here comes the atheism part) is the only way to be moral parents.

[–]ohiock -1 points0 points ago

I fully support gays in that they should be allowed to marry and enjoy the same benefits of any typical heterosexual couple, but I can't say I overwhelmingly agree that they should be capable of adopting children. Don't get me wrong, I 100% believe that they are capable of raising a child with love and care just as well as anyone else, but I think we need to consider things from the child's point of view. I actually have a gay cousin that is in the process of raising a child, so I'm not completely out of touch here. I know that they will be great parents, but is it the same equal opportunity as what other children have with MF parents?

Are they getting everything out of MM or FF parenting like they would with a MF? I think it's important that both a father figure and mother are extremely important in raising a child. Also, have we considered the amount of tormenting they could receive from the people around them? Can you imagine going to school and having to put up with that on a daily basis?

I realize that this might not always be the case, but we have to consider these things.

[–]Jhnbytwoo -4 points-3 points ago

What... what does this have to do with atheism?

[–]newbuu2 3 points4 points ago

There was a post months ago that describe why such a thing belongs here.

We champion causes that have been put down by religious ideology. Can't think of a bigger offender of suppressing homosexual's rights like religion does.

[–]SpamFilterHatesMe -1 points0 points ago

Because /r/atheism thinks you can not possibly be atheist and be careless for gay guys, at the same time.

For them it all comes in one package. Take it or leave it.

[–]SPUNK_GARGLER -2 points-1 points ago

There is a cross on the wall of the heterosexual couple. Also it speaks about homosexuals.

[–]Montybrython -1 points0 points ago

What a disgusting picture, The insinuations are just as bad as any insinuation made by homophobes. The fact is this, There are suitable homosexual and heterosexual parents. There are unsuitable homosexual and heterosexual parents. That is it.

When you show one group as suitable and the other as unsuitable you do nothing but perpetuate the hate that holds back our progression. I understand the picture has the goal of showing how biased and unfair the laws are, but all this does is offend and perpetuate the prejudices held by the mental midgets that are already attacking homosexuals.

[–]GamerKat 2 points3 points ago

Things aren't that black and white. They are just saying that a religious heterosexual family who just wants the kids for the checks and are abusive have an easier time adopting than a homosexual family who are well educated and would give a loving home. They aren't saying that all of either type are good and bad. Studies show that this is true. Abuse in the foster system is epidemic and I lived across the street from a couple that beat their foster kids. Reports were ignored and they kept getting more kids. It's sad and it is true in a lot of cases. It is not a generalization of how either orientation are as parents.

[–]Montybrython 0 points1 point ago

Yea the problem is that you can't show that with just a picture. There is no insinuation that they are doing it just for the checks. All this picture shows is a presumably loving homosexual family, and a hateful and abusive heterosexual family.

Any statements made about the law while true and good in this picture are drowned out by the hate and vitriol shown in the image.

[–]Blackout72 -5 points-4 points ago

I don't think this belongs in r/atheism...

[–]GamerKat 5 points6 points ago

You mean a family being denied children because of a religiously motivated bigotry doesn't belong on a subreddit that speaks out about religiously motivated bigotry?

[–]Legend_of_Mana -3 points-2 points ago

Not everybody that dislikes gays does it because it goes against their religion. Some people just plain don't like homosexual relationships.

[–]GamerKat 1 point2 points ago

You mean, kind of like how racists say that it isn't the religious nonsense that makes them hate blacks? They simply don't like people with dark skin?

Bigotry is bigotry. Without spreading the topic a little, all /r/atheism is going to be is people saying they are atheists. This is a topic that belongs under the broader topic of bigotry.

[–]jamiper 0 points1 point ago

You mean?

[–]fruitysteve -2 points-1 points ago

Its kind of their fault that they shelled out the money and outfitted the nursery before the adoption was final. It shows a lack of common sense that the adoption counselor probably picked up on and I'm guessing that's why they were denied.

[–]GamerKat 3 points4 points ago

You have to show that you have a bedroom for the child before you can go through the adoption process. They inspect your home and you have to insure them that you have a proper crib, toys and supplies to care for the child.

[–]fruitysteve 0 points1 point ago

I stand corrected. They were probably rejected because of his past conviction for child molestation.

[–]Elite6809 0 points1 point ago

Or perhaps it shows willingness to be prepared? If you're rejected just because you have forethought the adoption services worker needs a good ol' slap.

[–]Bashakhan -2 points-1 points ago

When you keep a glass dildo with a rubber on it on the coffee table, you sort of have it coming

[–]GamerKat -1 points0 points ago

...It's a water bottle.

[–]mtme -3 points-2 points ago

Yes because that's how the majority of christian households function. Every time I go to a church, I lose count of all the black eyes and cigarette burns on the women and children.

[–]explorer58 3 points4 points ago

You, sir, missed the point.

[–]GamerKat 1 point2 points ago

They aren't saying that every christian family is like that but I've seen a good few and it is sad when you see a family that only fosters to get the monthly check and they get kids whenever they ask for them. A friend of mine almost lost her kids to her asshole alcoholic ex-husband because she was pagan so the false "unfit" charge almost stuck, until she started going to church every sunday, got the kids into sunday school and wore a cross around her neck.

[–]R88SHUN -2 points-1 points ago

Ahh yes. See, this has something to do with atheism because if you look closely you can see a cross in the background of the "bad" picture.

[–]Conot -1 points0 points ago

Cross (and italics) aside, the main proponent against gay adoption is Christian, so this does belong on /r/atheism, as Christian opinion is ruining the lives of people, christian or atheist or other, for simply not being heterosexual.

[–]R88SHUN 0 points1 point ago

The main opponent of bacon cheeseburgers is religion. Would you vote Wendy's to the front page as well?

It isn't ruining anybody's life to not give them something they couldn't have on their own. Nor is your opinion on the matter any more valid than those who think granting them the ability to adopt would be ruining the lives of the children.

[–]curses_foiled -4 points-3 points ago

Gay couples don't fight?

These cartoons are just propaganda.

[–]GamerKat 3 points4 points ago

It isn't saying that. It is saying that a religious family who just takes kids for the monthly check has an easier time than a homosexual couple who would love the child and give them a good home.

[–]viperex 0 points1 point ago

It is saying that a heterosexual couple who just takes kids for the monthly check has an easier time than a homosexual couple who would love the child and give them a good home

FTFY

Anything else is comparing apples and oranges

[–]JesusCoaster -4 points-3 points ago

What children need is a mom and a dad. No other method of raising children has been shown effective. But of course, how can atheists think of the well being of children? They have an anti-Christian agenda to push no matter the consequences.

[–]willer2122 2 points3 points ago

You, sir are being a stereotypical christian asshole. No other method of parenting has been shown effective? What is that even supposed to mean? Orphaned kids have grown up brilliant, and there are so many examples of drug addicted, abusive or alcoholic straight parents. Also, atheists getting pissed off at christians has absolutely nothing to do with parenting. It all has to do with what kind of person you are and your morals/values.