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What I think when I hear people complaining about illegal immigration (i.imgur.com)

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[–]zidanetribal 224 points225 points ago

TIL Native Americans speak like a 14 year old text messages.

[–]Holycrapwtfatheism 53 points54 points ago

Srsly

[–]Bishopkilljoy 16 points17 points ago

Srsly? Srsly now?

[–]freddytheteddy22 29 points30 points ago

K guise stahp

[–]demonic87 2 points3 points ago

Gooby pls stahp

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    [–]silent_p 9 points10 points ago

    It's easier to do smoke signals that way.

    [–]iodizedmilk 15 points16 points ago

    As a Native American I cannot confirm this.

    Edit: Punctuation

    [–]AzMoo 1 point2 points ago

    Edit: Punctuation

    My irony gland exploded. Nice one.

    [–]thunderkuntz 1 point2 points ago

    And as yet another, I can confirm his non-confirming.

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      [–]u-suck 3 points4 points ago

      Actually it's the other way around, that sounds more entertaining.

      [–]WhoLovesLou 0 points1 point ago

      As one that can read, I confirm this.

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        [–]sgtpppr 55 points56 points ago

        Posts like this are what happens when kids aren't taught history, logic, or grammar.

        [–]ghastlyactions 84 points85 points ago

        TIL the hundreds of tribes who constituted the many nations in the "New World" had comprehensive immigration laws.

        [–]LikeASirBaws 125 points126 points ago

        Native Americans didn't stem the tide of immigrants, and look what happened to them.

        [–]Scarbane 3 points4 points ago

        Brave Brown World

        [–]dontcareifdownvoted 23 points24 points ago

        Yeah, but we aren't dealing with a technologically superior military-backed force that poses a real and serious threat to literally wiping out our government, cities, culture, economy, nation and people as a whole through the means of violent invasion. We are more so dealing with people who are in search of work, self-betterment, a place where they can grow and support a family, or to escape oppression by going to a country that has branded itself land of the free and home of the brave. I've heard this argument a lot, but it's really not apples to apples. I see what you mean and I agree to some extent, but immigration into America today doesn't fit the same context from when the country was founded. That wasn't even immigration by definition. It would be an incredible stretch to say that immigrants today are coming here with the same mentality and intent as the immigrants who came here hundreds of years ago who aimed to take out the Native Americans and literally claim the land as their own and start their own society. In this day in age, you'd need an army for that to happen. And let's face it, there's not going to be an army of immigrants trying to take over the U.S. in the fashion that our founders did.

        Edit: Forgot a word > "and I agree* to some extent,"

        [–]Redditaccount512 12 points13 points ago

        I hate putting this next to a comment from a racist shithole like Bob but have you heard of Reconquista?

        There is an existing cultural movement that intends to "literally claim the land as their own."

        There are plenty of people who move here for wholly righteous reasons, and I support having an easy transition and an easy citizenship process for them, but there is a staggering number of criminals coming through the same passes to get in and we are creating a nightmare in Mexico by failing to stop it.

        You have a very idealistic view of the immigration problem and that's fine, because we need idealists to push us in the right direction, but the facts are much harder and much more gruesome. The borders today are controlled by the cartels and they're the ones who decide who gets across.

        [–]Notuntilfour 6 points7 points ago

        The Reconquista movement is as thriving as the skinhead movement in the US

        [–]fe3o4 4 points5 points ago

        The only thing that stops mexico from taking over the southwestern part of the U.S. is that part of the deal is taking illinois too, and that's a deal breaker for them.

        [–]dontcareifdownvoted 2 points3 points ago

        I agree with what you're saying, and yes I have heard of the Reconquista - I was just pointing out that you can't simply compare immigration into America today with the founding of our country through "immigration" and how Native Americans were oppressed. That's all. Some people seem to look down on immigration here because they fear that what happened to the Native Americans will happen to themselves. My point was that this isn't going to happen and that you can't be that extreme about it. Today you wouldn't be able to get away with doing to people what our founding fathers did to the natives. You wouldn't even be able to come close, and for some reason, people think that putting themselves in the shoes of Native Americans and calling immigrants the oppressors is a 100 % fair comparison and justification for being against immigration. It just depends on where you want to draw the line. But yes, overall I do agree with you and I thank you for your input! Upvote for you!

        [–]zoggidy -3 points-2 points ago

        In terms of tactical military equipment Europeans had an advantage. That is not why they overcame native resistance. Diseases literally decimated the native population. In many ways native war tactics were superior.

        The Europeans just got lucky. Many of the tribal groups were quite warlike and at full strength would have easily beaten the Europeans.

        [–]Buriedwhere 5 points6 points ago

        If they were literally decimated, only one out of ten would have died.

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            [–]secsquared 0 points1 point ago

            It was either us, England, France or Spain. Wait...that is US!

            [–]publius4 64 points65 points ago

            I'm so sick of this analogy. If people were actually held responsible for every awful thing their ancestors did we would all have life sentences.

            [–]darchangel 6 points7 points ago

            Welcome to reddit, "sins of the father" edition:

            • garden of Eden story: how terrible their god must be for punishing everyone for original sin

            • Europeans in America: modern whites deserve the scorn for what happened half a millennia ago

            white guilt = good, religion = bad

            [–]jsrduck 10 points11 points ago

            Amen. I'm also sick of people pretending like it's a fresh observation every time they bring it up.

            I'm sorry, I just don't see how this is even relevant to a modern debate on illegal immigration.

            [–]Porojukaha 1 point2 points ago

            And the Jews would be the ones prosecuting most of us.

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            [–]Savir5850 0 points1 point ago

            You're really gonna try to milk that image huh?

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              [–]toothshucker 51 points52 points ago

              very original

              [–]Womec 6 points7 points ago

              http://i.minus.com/iqQcC3wzWEx7g.gif

              [–]toothshucker 0 points1 point ago

              Buttercup was hot.

              [–]TheActualAWdeV 1 point2 points ago

              I was, once again, expecting a powerpuff girl.

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                [–]alieninfiltrator 82 points83 points ago

                This is absurd. The Native Americans were not one single unified country. They were diverse people groups spread out over various parts of North America. The relationship between the colonialists and the Native peoples and later the growing population of the US is nothing like the current US border problems. It is too simplistic a view of history to remember the Native Americans as passive victims of greedy colonialists and expansionist Americans. There were wars and conflicts due to people on both sides initiating the disputes. You can't blame the settlers who simply started farming a piece of unclaimed land and then they were attacked by warrior tribes. Of course they wanted to be rid of the violent Natives. On the other hand when the US forced the peaceful Native peoples out of their traditional lands so they could take over, that was wrong too. It is simply amazing to me the lack of knowledge of history and the uncritical way people believe oversimplified lies.

                [–]ThatMohawk -3 points-2 points ago

                You can't claim something you have no right to. The settlers claimed the land and kept it for themselves. The natives used the land but did not actually own the land. The natives believed that you can't own something that belongs to Mother Nature. *My Grandfather taught me this, I am mohawk. Karonhiio iontahts.

                [–]fe3o4 1 point2 points ago

                So if nobody owned the land the settlers didn't take the land from anybody. So claiming it for themselves was OK and legal.

                [–]ThatMohawk 1 point2 points ago

                My ancestors had no concept of ownership of land. It was a pretty stupid concept. Their thinking was that It is here for everyone to use. It belongs to everyone and no one.

                [–]fe3o4 0 points1 point ago

                That's exactly what people using the internet think until they receive a DMCA notice.

                [–]ThatMohawk 0 points1 point ago

                Please enlighten me to what a DMCA notice is. I've no idea what that is.

                [–]ioncloud9 1 point2 points ago

                Sure you can claim it, when you have the bigger firestick.

                [–]zenon 1 point2 points ago

                New England indigenous societies had land ownership by the time the first settlers arrived. The Mayflower settlers noted that they were very careful about who could use what land for agriculture etc. In fact, the New England natives were technologically and culturally about on par with the first settlers, and had no problems managing the Europeans.

                Then came hepatitis, and smallpox, and all the other Old World diseases...

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                    [–]AdventureIsland 85 points86 points ago

                    This is comparing apples to oranges but it's really trendy right now i have noticed.

                    [–]HMogg 10 points11 points ago

                    TIL comparing apples to oranges is trendy.

                    [–]AdventureIsland 20 points21 points ago

                    Sorry i thought contextually would pick up that this 'Native Americans were here first so and anti illegal immigration thoughts are trrble' is the comparison of apples to oranges and that that is trendy. you follow?

                    I am a bleeding heart liberal by persuasion but this argument is not very well thought out in my opinion.

                    [–]Magnifiscent 12 points13 points ago

                    I think the problem is that you are removing too many of the vital details in the comparison. Just because apples and oranges are both round, doesn't mean they are the same thing at all.

                    But it might be that you don't understand the differences. That would be understandable. Conservatives don't want illegal immigrants to go home, we want them to come to this country legally and become productive members of society. We love immigrants, understand intimately that we are immigrants. We just want the laws followed.

                    But you're probably right, something about the way our ancestors fought with the indigenous population on this continent should invalidate the sovereignty of the United States and guilt us into allowing illegals to come here so that they can be exploited for cheap labor and shackled to the welfare state as a new voting block for the democrats. You guys are so compassionate.

                    [–]gobstopper84 7 points8 points ago

                    Yes, thank you! The population of Latin immigrants that everyone is fighting about is crucial to our workforce, economy, and American culture. We don't want them to leave, we just want them to pay taxes.

                    [–]Magnifiscent 1 point2 points ago

                    Or get a fair day's wage, or have a real shot at what they came here for; the chance to build a better life for themselves and their families.

                    On the one hand we can't just let people flood into the country. There are serious economic concerns and security concerns. On the other hand, letting illegals to remain in the country puts them in a prime position to be exploited. You think a dollar a day for picking vegetables in the Medina valley is a fair wage? That's practically slave labor, and it's defended in the same way slavery was: its cheaper to use exploited workers than to pay legitimate wages for the work.

                    People think they are so compassionate for not doing something about illegal immigration. They aren't. They are helping to exploit desperate people looking for a better life.

                    The rules aren't in place to hassle immigrants. The rules protect them just as much as they protect us. Amnesity doesn't make the problem go away, either. We did that once in the 70's and now we're back in the same boat with 4 times as many illegals.

                    There isn't ANYTHING that fills me with pride and a sense of camaraderie like hearing about legal immigrants coming here looking for a better life, or even working for their citizenship. It makes me proud to call those people my countrymen/women. The idea that people who oppose ILLEGAL immigration hate immigrants or have forgotten that just about everyone here today came from somewhere else is an idiotic notion. I'd like to say people are better than that, but we just proved that rhetoric and ignorance wins elections...so...

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                          [–]atheistjubu 2 points3 points ago

                          This is comparing applies to abortions.

                          [–]Novakaine 0 points1 point ago

                          Comparing apples and oranges is a valid exercise. They are both round, seed bearing, tree borne fruits. More often than not, a person prefers one over the other.

                          Hell, you could compare a monkey to a trampoline and it would still be a valid exercise.

                          [–]AzMoo 0 points1 point ago

                          Yeah, it was clearly in an invasion, not immigration.

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                            [–]Twilight_Scko 33 points34 points ago

                            So...you're saying we should put down the incursion before it overtakes us?

                            [–]sjbennett85 0 points1 point ago

                            I think immigrants are going to terrorize us with smallpox and write a treaty to grant us executive power, then only a couple years later induct a new treaty that then strips us of that power.

                            [–]JewelsMonkey 5 points6 points ago

                            Has anyone ever thought what America would be like if the first settlers were scared off by the natives? I would be a full blooded native. What would America even look like?

                            [–]snow_bird 2 points3 points ago

                            I think I wouldn't have a fridge on my porch.

                            [–]tyme 2 points3 points ago

                            I would be a full blooded native.

                            It's more likely you wouldn't exist. If you aren't a full blooded native now, then somewhere along the line someone from Europe (or elsewhere) was a part of your lineage. If that person didn't come to America and meet their mate, the children they had wouldn't have been born, resulting in you never being born.

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                              [–]flatlander00321 33 points34 points ago

                              1) "Native America" wasn't a country the way the U.S. is a country.

                              2) Native Americans didn't have immigration laws, so there were no illegal immigrants in Native American territories.

                              3) Stop posting this drivel.

                              [–]Max_Heiliger 2 points3 points ago

                              4) Native Americans did not provide white men with social services.

                              [–]JustZisGuy 0 points1 point ago

                              Tell that to Squanto.

                              [–]Klobuchar 10 points11 points ago

                              So you agree it's righteous to repel invasion.

                              [–]Karnas 11 points12 points ago

                              The state of Arizona spends over $3B per year for immigrant services. That's just one state.

                              [–]ShadowStatus 7 points8 points ago

                              Once i see other states (non border) have this burden and their lands trashed (along the border) then they can have a say in immigration. That's a crap ton of money

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                                [–]darchangel 19 points20 points ago

                                Not sure what you're implying I should do. I was born here. My family hasn't lived in Europe for hundreds of years and no country over there would call me a native.

                                [–]Mecjam 5 points6 points ago

                                Look, kid, there's a lesson here for you. You seem like you'd like to understand context, history, and hell, maybe even some day form some opinions on that information. But the thing for you to do here is to stop trying to teach when the overwhelming number of what you would consider your audience and peers tells you that you do not understand.

                                Just stop. Don't say anything else.

                                People are telling you that you do not understand what you're talking about. Instead of shouting back at all of them, maybe keep quiet and say to yourself, "perhaps it is I who does not understand," and then go and do some learning. Maybe even consider reforming your opinion based on this new information. Adherence to a position in the face of overwhelming evidence and information to the contrary is not principled, it is foolish and willful ignorance.

                                [–]aborted_reason 11 points12 points ago

                                Awww, did you just finish the Native American chapter in 9th grade history? So cute that you're all worked up.

                                Wait until you get to world history. Your heart will be bleeding all over the desk. Unless of course you think the Native Americans had it any worse than hundreds of societies that have been pillaged and their lands "taken" from them. This just in: Humans have been doing this shit forever...everywhere.

                                [–]fe3o4 0 points1 point ago

                                WE ARE SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!

                                [–]arkrawr 8 points9 points ago

                                They say history repeats itself, well who wants to repeat that history as the original populous?

                                [–]cant_program 10 points11 points ago

                                Didn't "native" Americans immigrate to North America from Asia?

                                [–]KungFuHamster 6 points7 points ago

                                Yeah, aside from a pool full of amino acids getting busy, living things have emigrated everywhere they can, even Antarctica. It's what living stuff does.

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                                  [–]Hoobleton 28 points29 points ago

                                  So, were there laws against the first settlers immigrating?

                                  [–]RoboticOverlord 9 points10 points ago

                                  typically people don't like being invaded.

                                  [–]cant_program 15 points16 points ago

                                  TIL RoboticOverlord's butthole isn't typical.

                                  [–]RedTiger013 15 points16 points ago

                                  OP, are you retarded?

                                  [–]ElGoddamnDorado 22 points23 points ago

                                  /r/im14andthisisfunny

                                  [–]The_Genre 17 points18 points ago

                                  OP, you are a liberal sheep and a fucking retard. Different time, different context. Two different scenarios.

                                  [–]winkandthegun 5 points6 points ago

                                  In r/funny??? Seriously?

                                  [–]frying_nemo 15 points16 points ago

                                  Im not an illegal immigrant...I was born in the U.S.. The European's were the ones to immigrate to what is now the U.S.A.

                                  [–]Sanity_prevails 2 points3 points ago

                                  So you are anchor child?

                                  [–]fe3o4 1 point2 points ago

                                  he's a native american

                                  [–]daleadil 4 points5 points ago

                                  What do you call someone who walks into your country uninvited and uses tax-payer funded social services that are meant for U.S. Citizens? An Illegal Immigrant.

                                  What do you call someone who walks into your house uninvited and starts taking things that you bought that are meant for your family? A Burglar.

                                  The difference between an Burglar and an Illegal Immigrant is that one gets thrown in jail, while the other gets a working permit.

                                  [–]KungFuHamster 7 points8 points ago

                                  Just because some of us may be descended from people that did atrocious things and live in cities built by these people, that does not make us equivalent with them.

                                  I do not owe anything to people I did not harm, whether it be native Americans or slaves or Chinese railroad slaves or peasant farmers in Ireland.

                                  In the same regard, our policies and advancement should not be held back by injuries given by people hundreds of years ago.

                                  [–]duremville 5 points6 points ago

                                  We weren't illegal immigrants. There were no laws against us coming.

                                  [–]BIZ_TAKE 1 point2 points ago

                                  Scapegoats. White man loves'em...

                                  [–]cepster 9 points10 points ago

                                  So, should all of the Mexicans get out of Mexico because it was colonized (read: conquered) by conquistadors?

                                  Should anybody of Roman descent be forcibly removed from anywhere near the Caucasus mountains because the Roman empire conquered those areas?

                                  The truth is, when America was colonized the Native American population wasn't exactly filling the entire country. In fact, the belief that a targeted genocide led to the founding of our nation is completely false. The fact of the matter is that smallpox, which was inadvertently carried to America with Columbus' crew, swept through the countryside and decimated the population long before the first 'colonists' arrived.

                                  The assertion that a bunch of white people showed up, planted a flag, raised a middle finger, and started killing savages, is incorrect.

                                  I'm not going to feel guilty for the acts of a disease and the acts of people hundreds of years removed from me.

                                  [–]workisboredom 5 points6 points ago

                                  I feel it is also important to note that the natives of America had no sense of solidarity, and were often warring with each other (and took opposing sides in wars among colonists as well). None of them even considered the continent to be a single nation.

                                  I have no problem with Mexicans living in America (or Mexican-Americans), just learn to speak English if you want to have anything more than shit pay, and come here LEGALLY so you can actually contribute to the country that is supposed to give you a better life--taxes are there for a reason, the government needs it.

                                  When Mexicans come here illegally and turn our towns into gang ridden trash dumps (at least in LA), how is their life getting any better than it was in Mexico? As legal residents, they could be getting at least minimum wage, paying taxes, and working towards a better life for themselves and their families, which is the whole reason they came to America in the first place.

                                  I HATE IT when people blame me for my ancestors wrongdoings. I didn't rape the natives, and I didn't bring slaves here. We can't change history, stop using it as leverage to guilt and practice intolerance towards white people.

                                  [–]dangle2k 3 points4 points ago

                                  When Mexicans come here illegally and turn our towns into gang ridden trash dumps (at least in LA), how is their life getting any better than it was in Mexico?

                                  I also live in L.A. and I approve of this message

                                  [–]fe3o4 0 points1 point ago

                                  So, should all of the Mexicans get out of Mexico because it was colonized

                                  Most of them have already.. they are in the U.S.

                                  [–]cepster 0 points1 point ago

                                  Ha

                                  [–]sjbennett85 -1 points0 points ago

                                  Okay so the smallpox genocide wasn't intentional by your records, which may have been true with the first wave of settlers, but how about residential schools, "Indian" removal, and the 60s scoop?

                                  In fact, there is a long trail of attempts to remove native North Americans. Most of which, however, weren't documented very well for obvious reasons.

                                  It boils down to a white sense of entitlement, Manifest Destiny, and the taming of the savage "Indian".

                                  [–]cepster 3 points4 points ago

                                  Here we go, with "white entitlement" again.

                                  Neither of us can pretend to know the actual climate of the situation hundreds of years ago. The fact of the matter is that the United States of America is now a different, unified country. If there was wrong-doing in the formation of its current inception, then that is unfortunate. However, going back through time, America is HARDLY the only country that was founded like that.

                                  Do you think there was a time when all of humanity got together and divied up the world, and everybody lived in peace and harmony before Europe decided to get greedy in this ONE instance and take over America?

                                  Humanity has evolved a lot since the 1400s. The arguments today aren't the same as those 600 years ago.

                                  I will not feel guilty for the wrongdoing of long dead individuals. All I can do is treat fairly those who exist today based on the laws we, as a society, have developed.

                                  [–]sjbennett85 -1 points0 points ago

                                  That is fair but it is important to follow through on the treaties that were used for the establishment of this continent.

                                  Regardless of how old that treaty is, it is as sacred as the constitution. Just because the constitution is old you don't see people abandoning it because it is law.

                                  These treaties were mostly ignored because the land that was promised was later discovered to be too good to just give away. We are now living in an age where they look to treaties with the attitude of "We accept this clause but not that one"

                                  [–]cepster 3 points4 points ago

                                  The USA wasn't a country yet. Weren't these treaties technically between various Native American tribes and England?

                                  EDIT: Not being snarky, genuine question as I have no historical knowledge of these treaties

                                  [–]sjbennett85 0 points1 point ago

                                  That's cool, I like when people are curious about this.

                                  Well yes and no, it really depends on who you are talking about and what area it was. I'm from the great lakes area so the history and treaties are different from other areas.

                                  Geographically speaking, there were many nations here that were separated from others, politically. For instance a treaty made for the Iroquois shouldn't apply to the Navajo because they are totally separate. A major problem was the assumption that they were all one, which isn't true. It would be like saying because you signed a treaty to France it would hold in Poland.

                                  I'm not well versed in all the treaty laws of North America, but there were some instances where there were treaties signed to accomplish a common goal like for battles fought against various other factions.

                                  I'm not sure but breaking the relationship with England shouldn't also break the treaties that were established with the natives because they too are completely separate.

                                  If you are interested in learning about it, you should look up the history of your area or talk to the local natives. They are a great resource!

                                  [–]cepster 1 point2 points ago

                                  Sweet Jesus, I just realized that this entire conversation is happening in /r/funny

                                  Nothing says humor like genocide and politics, eh?!

                                  [–]kiworrior 0 points1 point ago

                                  Many treaties were formed after the US declared and won it's independence.

                                  [–]cid73 0 points1 point ago

                                  The constitution is sacred, but not immutable. Hence amendments.

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                                    [–]fawker 2 points3 points ago

                                    /r/politics

                                    [–]Sovrin1 0 points1 point ago

                                    Did indians have laws against immigration?

                                    [–]hates_politics 1 point2 points ago

                                    First of all, this does not belong in /r/funny, it belongs in /r/politics.

                                    More importantly, that guy was born in America, hence according to the constitution he's a citizen, maybe some of his ancestors came here without proper immigration papers, or maybe they did go through the proper immigration channels in Ellis Island, you don't know. Stop shoving shitty biased political agendas all over reddit.

                                    OP idiots like you make me ashamed of calling myself a liberal.

                                    [–]Hephen_Stawking 1 point2 points ago

                                    This joke is so 6th grade

                                    [–]anarchistsomalia 15 points16 points ago

                                    What country did Europeans illegally immigrate to? Oh yeah, that's right. There was no country here.

                                    [–]VancouverIslander -4 points-3 points ago

                                    There were clearly established territorial lines and nations governing them. Lack of a flag does not denote lack of a country.

                                    [–]fe3o4 2 points3 points ago

                                    There were clearly established territorial lines and nations governing them

                                    Oh yeah, that's why tribes used to fight each other, kill each other, and take the women and children of competing tribes. Now I get it....

                                    [–]VancouverIslander 0 points1 point ago

                                    Territorial lines were pretty specific in Europe as well, which didn't keep the killing down. I'm not playing the idyllic noble pre-contact card by any means. The Nuu-chah-nulth on the west coast of Canada had an entire culture based on slave raids. But what I was saying was that there were, pre contact, nations (comprised of multiple tribes sharing language) and boarders (territories used by those nations and acknowledged by others as their territory). So to cite terra-nullius and say it was devoid of civilization is a stretch.

                                    [–]Twilight_Scko 1 point2 points ago

                                    In his defense, nations do that too. Always have, probably always will.

                                    [–]Twilight_Scko 11 points12 points ago

                                    Actually, there weren't. There were a bunch of different indian "nations" with no clear dividers between the lands.

                                    [–]zerorules 2 points3 points ago

                                    This is not at all accurate....

                                    [–]Redditaccount512 -2 points-1 points ago

                                    NO FLAG, NO COUNTRY. THAT'S THE RULES.

                                    Edit- You guys really need to look up Eddie Izzard

                                    [–]anarchistsomalia -4 points-3 points ago

                                    LOL NO THERE WASN'T BRO GOOD TRY THOUGH A FOR EFFORT

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                                      [–]Dcowboys09 3 points4 points ago

                                      considering all it brings is crime, illegal human trafficking, and countless other negative things you shouldn't like it. think about those americans who live on the border, all the crime and violence they are subjected to because liberals refuse to protect them.

                                      [–]daniel14vt 3 points4 points ago

                                      Stop calling people who kicked the Indians out immigrants, they didn't imigrate they invaded

                                      [–]alephilmac 4 points5 points ago

                                      The problem with this joke is that it is based on misinformation. What many people call "Native Americans" are in fact immigrants from thousands of years ago. They wiped out the peoples that were here before them, as did modern American forebears. The fact that it was so far removed in history has created the misconception the OP was working from.

                                      [–]NoLubeNoProblem 4 points5 points ago

                                      People like to forget about history whenever it's convenient

                                      [–]Redditaccount512 16 points17 points ago

                                      What lesson did history teach us? If you allow open immigration and hope for the best, you risk being overrun by said immigrant population.

                                      If we're supposed to feel guilty about our ancestors' imperialism then it stands to reason that the indians would have been better off letting the first settlers starve to death. Meaning, if we follow this parallel, we should offer no haven to immigrants and make sure there is nothing for them here.

                                      This argument works AGAINST illegal immigrants.

                                      [–]TheFAJ 22 points23 points ago

                                      or whenever it doesn't fit at all

                                      [–]capnjack78 2 points3 points ago

                                      But...I was born here. And my family has only been here about 100 years.

                                      [–]Pandaclysm_ 3 points4 points ago

                                      Natives were conquered. We aren't immigrants. We are the victors.

                                      [–]SpringInJapan 1 point2 points ago

                                      Invasion != Immigration

                                      [–]Last_Gigolo 0 points1 point ago

                                      Texas, come visit us and try and get a job.

                                      Or order food.

                                      [–]kennyisthebest 1 point2 points ago

                                      it'd be extremely hard to tell what subreddit we're in by just reading the comments

                                      [–]accountnotfound2 1 point2 points ago

                                      Different times. Conquest does not really exist anymore. That's what happened in America i think.

                                      [–]dcoidua 0 points1 point ago

                                      I have no problem with immigration, after all America's diversity is what makes us who we are. Rather, I have a problem with how long it takes to gain legal citizenship to the USA. It takes people so long that they just give up and cross the border illegally. The government needs to take a stance on it either way. If it is illegal, treat it like it is a crime and enforce it. I also think having a strong border defense force is a good idea, it would deter cartel activity which is one of the main reasons people are against illegal immigration because it oftentimes brings crime. I'd also like to add that we don't have to allow people into our country as citizens just because they want to be here. If I remember correctly they have to show that they have some reason to come here that is legitimate like learning a trade or something. Basically, the government needs to decide if this is going to be illegal or not. If it is illegal, they need to deport all illegal aliens and require proof of citizenship for any government assistance including public schools. If it is legal, do exactly what they have been doing which is nothing.

                                      [–]Flapjack_ 1 point2 points ago

                                      Tell me again why it's bad to want to stop illegal immigration?

                                      [–]timeless1991 0 points1 point ago

                                      The joke was ruined by the use of the word illegal. There is nothing to suggest that the vast majority of immigrants or descendants of immigrants are illegal.

                                      [–]Lemec21 -1 points0 points ago

                                      The big difference between the European settlers coming to the New World and settling versus immigrants coming into the country bypassing laws, is that Europeans came with guns, armies and smallpox. They came to conquer.

                                      [–]leelons1 -1 points0 points ago

                                      Might is right.

                                      [–]lomlom333 -1 points0 points ago

                                      Well, look what the illegal immigrants did to Native Americans. Shouldn't we be worried?

                                      [–]Buriedwhere 0 points1 point ago

                                      Granted, WASPs were immigrants to the land mass, but created the nation of U.S.A. Without WASPs, there wouldn't have been a USA to which to immigrate - legally or otherwise. WASPs are autochthonic to the United States of America.

                                      [–]cabiel 1 point2 points ago

                                      I prefer "lol okay prepare to pay 5 dollars for an orange"

                                      [–]AcidLuepert 0 points1 point ago

                                      He was born in America. Same with all the children of illegal immigrants. If you are born here, you are a citizen. In No context is he an illegal immigrant. The chief in the picture seams to be advocating deportation of children born in America to illegally immigrant parents, this is not even supported by the super right wingers. While funny, this picture is an inaccurate analogy.

                                      [–]BenKenoobi 0 points1 point ago

                                      Dead horse, where's the stick to beat it with?

                                      [–]pumpkindog 0 points1 point ago

                                      didja come up with this one all by yourself?

                                      [–]sandthefish 0 points1 point ago

                                      If you don't live in a border state you have no idea. And besides we fought the natives hard to get the land we have.

                                      [–]CommunistPenguin 0 points1 point ago

                                      TO EUROPE!

                                      [–]Mint_Berry_Kush 0 points1 point ago

                                      oh man, this is so clever and original you should get an award

                                      [–]splatter78 0 points1 point ago

                                      Back then it was called 'conquering'. Nowadays it's called 'ethnic cleansing'

                                      [–]SirKennithNoisewater -1 points0 points ago

                                      Implying Native Americans had immigration laws.

                                      [–]Pelokt 0 points1 point ago

                                      the difference being that we were invaders, not immigrants in that time.

                                      Immigrants integrate. invaders insist on their own culture.

                                      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

                                      Because the analogy is perfect, what with oh fuck it I'm bored of being sarcastic on the internet

                                      [–]Raptorace22 -1 points0 points ago

                                      I'm sorry, I was born here, as were 8 generations of my family. This is just as much my country as anyone else's who lives here legally.

                                      [–]CopJonesStickitup 0 points1 point ago

                                      Ooooo snap!!!

                                      [–]ironcross1488 0 points1 point ago

                                      When will Tonto accept his defeat? The white man won through honor and determination. The feral injun fought well, but not well enough.

                                      [–]proraver 0 points1 point ago

                                      Silly Indian white people are legal immigrants everywhere. /s

                                      [–]BadMrFrostySC 1 point2 points ago

                                      Also, we aren't illegal immigrants. We are a conquering nation. It's different.

                                      [–]yerm620 -2 points-1 points ago

                                      "Hey, white america, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too!" - Jack White

                                      [–]prince_of_tacoma 1 point2 points ago

                                      I'm pretty sure Mr. White wasn't making a political statement with that lyric. He probably just thought it sounded cool. Considering that among all 4 of his major projects and the decade and a half he has recorded he has had one political song ("The Big Three Killed My Baby"), it's safe to assume nothing he says has any political intent.

                                      [–]yerm620 0 points1 point ago

                                      I think you hit the nail on the head sir. Like I said, people were reading too far into my comment lol.

                                      [–]remton_asq -1 points0 points ago

                                      "Hey Jack White...GTFO our country you anti-White sack of shit" - Sincerely, White America

                                      [–]yerm620 2 points3 points ago

                                      Jack White is... wait for it... white. GASP

                                      [–]remton_asq 0 points1 point ago

                                      I know...that's what makes it even more disgusting that he is anti-White.

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                                        [–]E-rye 1 point2 points ago

                                        This was the first thing I thought of when I seen the picture. I'm glad someone posted it.

                                        [–]FackFappin 0 points1 point ago

                                        TIL Native Americans had laws to prevent anyone from migrating to their land, but they did nothing to enforce it...

                                        Oh wait, they didn't have laws against immigration... Nevermind.

                                        [–]Redditaccount512 -1 points0 points ago

                                        Oh, and nice stereotypical indian dude, OP. Way to show off your racial sensitivity

                                        [–]Welche -4 points-3 points ago

                                        Good thing that the Europeans weren't actually illegal immigrants because the native population didnt "own" land and thus Europe didn't take it against any laws.

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                                        [–]chronicallysexy72 2 points3 points ago

                                        I sincerely hope you're joking or being witty

                                        [–]Aqwardturtle 0 points1 point ago

                                        no

                                        [–]chronicallysexy72 0 points1 point ago

                                        Oh dear. Are you planning on reproducing?

                                        [–]InsaneMTLPNT 1 point2 points ago

                                        what did they say?

                                        [–]chronicallysexy72 0 points1 point ago

                                        Oh I wish I could remember. Something ignorant

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                                        [–]Redditaccount512 5 points6 points ago

                                        Somebody had an American History lesson today! Well I'm glad your teacher made you so passionate about the past

                                        [–]Klobuchar 2 points3 points ago

                                        Then GTFO to Europe you commie pinko.

                                        [–]life_gave_me_leptons 2 points3 points ago

                                        Have your casino and shut up already.

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                                          [–]Appleseed_[S] 0 points1 point ago

                                          They hate universal healthcare and abortion so they go to Canada where there's universal healthcare and abortion?

                                          [–]zxc12334 1 point2 points ago

                                          Eh the opinion I see a lot is that healthcare and the like is great, just not for the US right now.

                                          [–]NoLubeNoProblem 4 points5 points ago

                                          Stupid people make stupid decisions

                                          [–]E-rye 0 points1 point ago

                                          To escape a liberal government they flee to a country who's conservative government is more liberal than the American liberal government.

                                          [–]123rune20 -2 points-1 points ago

                                          There wasn't a country then so it doesn't count.

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