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If you move to Europe... (i.imgur.com)
submitted 7 days ago by zansky427
[–]alttt 493 points494 points495 points 7 days ago
From a European standpoint: The US is incredibly right-wing. Like, both your parties on occasion seem more right-wing than what a typical European considers a right-wing party.
Since the whole political discourse is right-wing everybody considers the right to be the center. (In reverse an American might say that all European discourse is from an American perspective incredibly left-wing)
[–]rustypig 213 points214 points215 points 7 days ago*
Indeed this is true, In the UK the Democrats would be considered a center-right party, probably slightly more liberal than our Conservative party, but within that range. The Republicans would be considered an extreme fringe group.
[–]ubernoodles 134 points135 points136 points 7 days ago
Ditto Canada. We don't have a party like the republicans, they would be considered some sort of fringe party if we had them. None of our parties are that extreme with a desire to intrude on people's lives and infringe their basic civil liberties.
[–]darklab 58 points59 points60 points 7 days ago
the only crappy thing about canada is our netflix selection.. :(
[–]doom420 20 points21 points22 points 7 days ago
It's cold too.
[–]2D_Captain 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
It's fucking cold here man.
[–]abcdeline 22 points23 points24 points 7 days ago
And yet, every year, I'm surprised at how cold it is.
[–]zerofuxgiven0 7 points8 points9 points 7 days ago
And your beer is too expensive. :(
[–]Blind0ne 38 points39 points40 points 7 days ago
That's because we put alcohol in it.
[–]chingyduster 9 points10 points11 points 7 days ago
My friend brought me a regular Coors beer from the states. I didn't think it was possible for a beer to be that watery.
[–]b1azeichi 10 points11 points12 points 7 days ago
That's the price of quality.
[–]ProjectSnowman 12 points13 points14 points 7 days ago
And your internet
[–]rastapouette 23 points24 points25 points 7 days ago
But yet in Canada, our Minister of status of women voted to re-open the debate on abortion.
[–]Syn7axError 33 points34 points35 points 7 days ago
Yeah, but our prime minister(Harper) is actually trying to leave the gay marriage and abortion debates in the past. So you know, he's a little more important.
[–]ScipiiRye 47 points48 points49 points 7 days ago
I think it's pretty clear that much like we like Obama because he's the "most Canadian" many of us dislike Harper because he's "too American".
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[–]monkeedude1212 9 points10 points11 points 7 days ago
But thats the thing, when we get successful alternative parties (like NDP and Green) and we split the votes, sometimes we end up with a minority government: meaning that the PMs party doesn't have 50% - so in order for him to enact anything he has to get at least one other party on board.
Some people think that it slows down the system, which is true, but I think a lot of people find that better than seating all the power with one individual.
[–]ScipiiRye 14 points15 points16 points 7 days ago
I know. :( Our system is only marginally better than the two party system.
[–]palubalis 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Last elections the Bloc Quebecois was literally sacrified to the NPD in order to give them a better chance of preventing the conservative from getting elected.
It did'nt work, obviously. Yeah, that's what voting strategically gives you: nothing.
So I guess the Canada is pretty conservative outside Quebec.
[–]Quaytsar 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
It's mostly the prairie provinces all throwing their votes to the Conservatives. In Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Alberta I think there were only 4 ridings that weren't Conservative.
[–]rastapouette 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Oh god, that night when the Bloc was totally destroyed and Harper got his majority. We knew that it will doesn't end well for us in Quebec.
[–]CaisLaochach 16 points17 points18 points 7 days ago
I'd argue the Tories are more liberal tbh. (And I'm Irish, we hate the Tories.)
Certainly on health care, etc, the Tories would be more in line with European norms. And they'd be a lot less into their god.
[–]Xixii 14 points15 points16 points 7 days ago
Being religious (or overly religious) will lose you votes here. Tony Blair didn't reveal that he was Catholic until after he left because he knew it wouldn't fly with the British voters.
[–]Krags 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
Saying that, the great NHS fuck-up that's going on seems to be trying to move towards an American model (even if it does not go the whole hog)
[–]mitchissuper 9 points10 points11 points 7 days ago
Republicans are obviously the BNP
[–]NaughtyDreadz 40 points41 points42 points 7 days ago
Lol.. the NDP in the US would be considered communists
[–]PokemasterTT 90 points91 points92 points 7 days ago
In Europe we have actually communists.
[–]kathartik 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
In certain areas of Canada, we do have people run for office under the Leninist/Marxist banner, but they never get elected.
[–]Gworn 29 points30 points31 points 7 days ago
On social issues, many European countries would look quite conservative to liberals in the US.
For instance Germany: abortion is only legal in the first 14 weeks, unless it's the consequence of a rape or the life of the woman is in danger or (in some circumstances) if the child is extremely handicapped and you need to see a counselor and wait 3 days before making the decision (always).
There's also no clear separation between church and state. The state collects taxes for the church and the church has many positions on official committees (for instance on the boards of public broadcasters).
Just a few examples.
[–]exosomal_message 14 points15 points16 points 7 days ago
I want to add to your tax collecting point. Churches in germany are considered "Körperschaften des öffentlichen Rechts" (similar to a Statutory corporation). Other exampels for "Körperschaften des öffentlichen Rechts" are the "Bayerischer Bauernverband" (bavarian farmers union), the "Bayerische Rote Kreuz" (bavarian red cross) and some Academys of Sciences. Churches have the same rights as socalled "Weltanschauungsgemeinschaften" (Unions of people that share the same opinion on the worlds matters. A Union of atheists would be considered qualified). As a "Körperschaft des öffentlichen Rechts" churches are allowed to charge "taxes" to their members. The state helps them to collect those "taxes" and charges fees for that job.
[–]Stig2011 10 points11 points12 points 7 days ago
Trying to learn German, but I always freak out about those long ass words.
Weltanschauungsgemeinschaften
Really? You're gonna make me say that?
[–]if-loop 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
Welt-anschauungs-gemeinschaft
world view community
[–]GiantR 3 points4 points5 points 7 days ago
It's actually surprisingly easy to say.
I'm not German.
[–]c0mpufreak 10 points11 points12 points 7 days ago
I sort of think that "only 14 weeks" is sort of an understatement. 3 month should be enough time to make a decision about wether or nor you want to abort your child.
Additionally I don't think it's bad that people need to be counseled on the matter. At least they are forced to think about the implications of their decision.
Furthermore there is a clear separation between church and state. The church does not not take part in any political councils. True, taxes are collected by the government and directed to the church and I don't like that.
So i don't think we are looking that conservative. I mean contrary to the U.S. there isn't a discussion about whether or not it is okay for women to choose. There are differences but I wouldn't prefer either country and say that any one looks more conservative than the other.
[–]politburrito 3 points4 points5 points 7 days ago
I was quite shocked to learn Spain had something similar going on when it comes to the Catholic church. The state collects donations/taxes (or used to I believe) on its behalf.
[–]polite_alpha 3 points4 points5 points 7 days ago
I wouldn't say the abortion thing is conservative. Aborting a fetus an EXTREME psychological trauma. I don't think mandatory counseling before the fact is a big problem.
The church thing on the other hand, I dislike more. I quit the church at age 18 to prevent them automatically getting a part of my tax money, but a lot of people don't do this step out of convenience.
[–]cjcolt 3 points4 points5 points 7 days ago
The German President is a Lutheran Minister
The US has the most liberal Freedom of Speech Rights in the world
Gay Marriage still isn't legal in a lot of European Countries
Parts of the US now have the most Liberal Marijuana Laws on Earth (more liberal than Netherlands)
and yet somehow Reddit has the whole 'US Liberals would be so conservative to the Euro Conservatives' Conversation every fucking day.
Edit: almost forgot the fact that Europe is miles behind North America in Diversity
[–]InUrFridge 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
You're confusing Economic Liberalism and Societal Liberalism.
This website explains it better than I ever could, but essentially the US has a pretty liberal society while its economics are righter than a right winger driving a right hand drive car down the right hand side of the road on Right Street, Rightsville in the county of New Rightshire.
Meanwhile in Europe they can get pretty authoritarian on the social side of things while their economic policies sound downright Communist to most people from the US.
Edit: More diverse? Proof please.
[–]cjcolt 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
I think a lot of Reddit is talking about the US being Socially Conservative..
and look at Wikipedia. Just had to explain last night to someone on reddit that the UK was about 92% White. The "diversity" people claims there comes from the separation of the demonyms British White, Irish White, and Other White. Which is ridiculous.
London is about 70% White, while the top 10 cities in the US are below or around half white.
[–]InUrFridge 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
I take your point but I would maintain that diversity isn't merely about ethnicity, it's a cultural thing and I'd say that the UK is one of the most culturally diverse places I've ever been.
Should note however that when I referred to 'Europe' what I really meant was 'Continental Europe'.
I would think that UK and France were the two most diverse countries in Europe. Which are both, as a whole, less racially diverse than the US.
[–]Igggg 12 points13 points14 points 7 days ago*
Except, of course, those laws are on state level, and federal government still considers marijuana a Schedule I drug (that is, same as heroin and cocaine), and still can and does persecute for it regardless of state laws.
[–]AppleDane 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
heroic and cocaine
So brave.
[–]woddenfloor 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
I'd say europe is pretty diverse.
[–]interkin3tic 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
Yeah, but we're not doing right-wing... right... either.
"Small government? Oh, you must mean a government that doesn't allow gay marriage!!!"
Libertarians, hurry up and clean house. I may not agree with you guys on many issues, but the social conservatives who don't mind wild government spending are the REAL bad guys here.
[–]Ergydion 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
Look at the german social welfare and then laugh about people complaining that Obama is a communist :D :D
[–]ArbitraryIndigo 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
I'm an American, and most of my political views align with the Green Party, and some of my more conservative positions are closer to libertarianism. I reject pure socialism/communism as something that looked nice on paper but doesn't work in the real world, yet other Americans would lump me into the far left and call me a commie.
Even Democrats complain about "entitlements". Is there any other first world country where thinking that everyone should be able to have shelter and get enough food to live is considered extreme left?
[–]akatherder 9 points10 points11 points 7 days ago
I've heard people refer to Bill Clinton as our first black president and Obama as the best Republican president we've ever had.
[–]MinistryofPropaganda 7 points8 points9 points 7 days ago
Lies! Whatever you say..Lies!
[–]VladTheImpala 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Please continue with this novelty account - it shows promise.
[–]MinistryofPropaganda 10 points11 points12 points 7 days ago
Novel? I've been in service for ages! I am the majority of people on /r/politics...
[–]alarumba 6 points7 points8 points 7 days ago*
Australasia (Australia, New Zealand, etc.) once emulated Europe, but now are buddying up with the US and are becoming increasingly right-wing. So too with England.
[–]rtooy 53 points54 points55 points 7 days ago
Australia's Prime Minister is an unmarried, atheist, pro-choice female.
You have miles to go before you meet the US definition of right wing.
[–]Palmar 12 points13 points14 points 7 days ago
Our prime minister is a married lesbian
[–]Mr_Wolfgang_Beard 10 points11 points12 points 7 days ago
Australasia isn't a country, it's a region. England is part of the UK.
[–]MrF33 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
It's hard to stay leftist when you're country is being so profitable while moving to a more U.S. style.
[–]ancientshoes 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
yes, but it's all relative. compare us to the middle east...the republicans are practically communist
[–]ZorkmidSC 83 points84 points85 points 7 days ago
Try Saudi Arabia.
[–]zansky427[S] 106 points107 points108 points 7 days ago
Ever see the episode of American Dad where Stan gets reassigned to Saudi Arabia? He gets all bummed out, but then loves it because of how conservative it is.
[–]pasmeme 14 points15 points16 points 7 days ago
Yeah, greatest place on earth... if you're a man.
[–]giraffricanamerican 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
I had two clients over from Saudi and it was their first visit to America. We went all over Boston - we smoked shisha in the North End, I took them to the Museum of Science, we went to Avengers 3D in a state of the art movie theater (their first movie), and I took them to an American sports bar for steak(obviously they didn't drink). It was like I was taking two kids to Disney Land. I have never had so much fun answering their questions. My point is nobody would live in Saudi if they could live here instead. At least I think that's my point. I actually have no idea what I was saying now.
[–]Dammit81 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
But these are the same people that think Obama is a secret Muslim so I think that's out of the question.
[–]cboswel1 199 points200 points201 points 7 days ago
If you have the resources to move to another country, things probably weren't that bad for you in the first place.
[–]six_six_twelve 30 points31 points32 points 7 days ago
But some people want to support what they think is right, rather than what profits them personally.
Not that I'm in any way saying that people should move. But the reasoning doesn't have to be about personal wealth.
[–]zansky427[S] 22 points23 points24 points 7 days ago
Exactly. To many people, having a lot of money isn't as important as being able to marry the one you love.
[–]Krags 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
I hear that. Single-issue voting may be disparaged, but authoritarianism is an absolute anathema to me. I'm very left economically, but given a choice between a left-wing authoritarian who matches my economic ideology precisely and a moderate right-wing social liberal, I'd probably take the latter.
You just don't get to foist your fucking puritanical prejudices against sex on the rest of us - you don't get to put the "ickiness" or "blasphemy" or whatever the fuck you want to call it that you perceive in a loving relationship (or, hell, a purely lust-driven one) between two people of the same sex in the way of every person's right to the pursuit of happiness. You don't get to disregard science and parrot the same old lies about how cannabis is a societal menace so that I become a criminal for something which, you argue, only damages me; let alone the poor terminal cancer patient who ends up getting raided to protect everyone from the dangers of illegal drugs. You don't get to spout logical fallacies and have them taken as a sound argument. You don't get to lock me up for any amount of time you please in any kind of conditions you please because you call me a detainee instead of a prisoner.
Of course, the frustrating thing is that damn near every political party loves to be authoritarian, and why wouldn't they? They are the authority, after all. Rare is the politician that will sign away power, and when you need a majority to do such a thing, it will simply never happen. The only advancement we see is when it is calculated to not be a cost to the government - okay, letting gay people get married probably won't cause any kind of impact on a heterosexual average politician so it's not that hard to fall in line with either what you think is right or what you think the public wants, but giving up the power of arbitrary arrest?
[–]artydecor 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
That's not really true. I know plenty of expats in China and Taiwan that were broke before coming here to teach English and they were able to save enough to pay off their debts.
In fact, the vast majority of expats are also middle class folks.
[–]Ryan2016 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
Yeah as shown by all those Mexican Millionaires walking to the U.S. through barbed wire and muck to attend the 30 year "work til you drop" fantasy camp we have here.
[–]wanders13 13 points14 points15 points 7 days ago
Hong Kong seems a practical choice.
[–]artydecor 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
Or Singapore.
[–]clamsclamsclams 17 points18 points19 points 7 days ago
Singapore has socialist healthcare.
[–]Tahj42 19 points20 points21 points 7 days ago
I thought it was called communist healthcare.
[–]andersonb47 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
As does Saudi Arabia.
[–]Dattish 34 points35 points36 points 7 days ago
I hear the Vatican is rather conservative.
[–]amkamins 20 points21 points22 points 7 days ago
Yes, with their gold dresses and statues with rippling abs.
[–]Not_a_bot_bot 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
Too much welfare for the poor for Republican tastes.
[–]Goldentoast 7 points8 points9 points 7 days ago
They believe in evolution over there, still too liberal!
[–]Miri_tx 16 points17 points18 points 7 days ago
When my very conservative mother threatened to move to Canada if Obama got re-elected, I pretty much told her this.... and then she raged at me.
I need to call her and tell her to start packing and have a safe trip.
[–]12secondscooby 64 points65 points66 points 7 days ago
India or Somalia it is!
[–]roadbuzz 13 points14 points15 points 7 days ago
Yemen, probably the most capitalistic place on earth. It has so little government, you might not even call it a state,
Also, guns for everyone!
[–]Sanity_prevails 35 points36 points37 points 7 days ago
Southern Sudan is all the rage!
[–]buffandshine 95 points96 points97 points 7 days ago
I'll beheaded there shortly.
[–]publique 21 points22 points23 points 7 days ago
Careful though, infidelity is just a stones throw away.
[–]thematthiaz 10 points11 points12 points 7 days ago
Southern Sudan is a Christian Country, so no beheadings or stonings im afraid....
[–]publique 7 points8 points9 points 7 days ago
Yes, you're quite correct, I tried to search for cases, but only came up with incidents in "Sudan". Pardon my ignorance.
On the plus side, I've genuinely learned something, thank you.
[–]Viridovipera 16 points17 points18 points 7 days ago
In all seriousness, where do you think a stereotypical right-wing nut would be able to move? Which country has conservative enough governing practices, yet would still allow them to carry guns and be a relatively devout Christian? I'm interested to hear what countries I'm overlooking. Tajikistan? Really India? I want to know!
This goes along with my theory that the kind of governance that they imagine has yet to work anywhere else across the world.
[–]Weereenseen 22 points23 points24 points 7 days ago
The US is the country all the Christian extremists fled to in the first place.
Russia, perhaps? If you're rich enough for the bribes, anyway.
[–]thenorwegianblue 24 points25 points26 points 7 days ago
I would say Saudi Arabia, but its the wrong religion.
[–]Weereenseen 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
carry guns and be a relatively devout Christian
This looks completely WTF to the rest of the world, by the way.
[–]CATSCEO2 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
South America would be a nice place for them.
[–]leftsideofthelane 14 points15 points16 points 7 days ago
India has universal healthcare and usually has a socialist government and up until recently had the communist party in power in West Bengal. I think Somalia might have to be it.
[–]shrididdy 6 points7 points8 points 7 days ago
Just remember India's public healthcare is terrible, most people (even the extreme poor) have to rely on the private system.
Also you can't really say India has followed a socialist model of government and economic planning since about the 1980s.
[–]leftsideofthelane 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
Trust me I'm not saying India is anywhere near a socialist paradise but republicans have called Obama a communist for less.
[–]m1zaru 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
Indeed, you won't even have to learn the metric system then.
[–]accostedbyhippies 11 points12 points13 points 7 days ago
No, Burma and Liberia are your only other sure bets, beside good ole 'murica for that...
I'd go with Liberia. There' flag sort of looks like ours so most of your patriotic paraphernalia will still work.
[–]borny1 22 points23 points24 points 7 days ago
Is this just a running joke on the Internet or are conservative Americans actually saying those things? Are they really that ignorant of what the world outside the US looks like?
[–]LurkingGaga 22 points23 points24 points 7 days ago
I know at least 3 conservative acquaintances who are serious and are really into "migrating to Europe" because Obama won.
Don't think they will actually do it, but they're pretty intent on how the country is ruined! because Obama won.
[–]andersonb47 35 points36 points37 points 7 days ago*
I live in rural Wisconsin. You would not believe my newsfeed right now. I'm considering compiling the best/worst ones and posting an album.
Edit: Album
[–]cymbal_king 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
do it, as a fellow wisconsinite
[–]andersonb47 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
Alright I will after work.
Here you go, there's more but I had to stop because I was getting angry.
[–]Seemseasy 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
The exact same sentiment comes from Democrats. A local radio host said he "fear(s) for our country's future" if Romney won. Not in a "oh I fear some things I don't like will happen", but more in a "Romney will provoke world war 3 and the destruction of humanity" way.
Stepping back a little, its is so strange to me that at any given time, 1/3 of the American population vehemently, bitterly, absolutely, and immovably despises the other 1/3 based solely on their political opinion.
[–]clarifried 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
i think the disconnect here is that, for most American liberals, it actually would not be crazy to emigrate to Canada, Europe, etc. Those places are actually closer ideologically to what the speaker believes, so while it may be an overreaction, it's an error of degree, not of kind.
The idea that a conservative American believes there is anywhere on earth they would be more accepted or find more political common ground is funny because it just emphasizes how out of touch they are.
[–]ginabmonkey 3 points4 points5 points 7 days ago
Same for me. I saw Canada and Australia specifically proposed as new places to live since America will now be ruined since Romney lost the election.
[–]___Cat___ 11 points12 points13 points 7 days ago
You wouldn't believe what some people are saying...
It's one ignorant rant after another. It's not the gov't I fear, it's these people.
[–]I-hate-reposts 24 points25 points26 points 7 days ago
BUT I think you will like Saudi Arabia!!!! Where gays are beheaded and not being religious is against the law.
And technically speaking, they do worship the same God.
[–]RheagarTargaryen 7 points8 points9 points 7 days ago
Am I the only person who hasn't seen anybody say they are moving to (insert random country*)? I feel like i keep seeing this post everywhere though.
[–]vasovagalsyncope 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
Sure, they can come here. We would welcome them.
One thing though, we don't have absolute freedom of speech, and if they start inciting hatred, we're not going to respond kindly.
(See: Michael Savage & UK)
[–]bodom2245 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
Plus in Canada we don't have enough Igloos to go around.
[–]Not_a_bot_bot 6 points7 points8 points 7 days ago
I don't think the Republicans would care, they would just incorporate, borrow a ton of money, buy all your igloos, put them into a collateralized debt obligation fund, chop them into tiny pieces and sell them as "low risk" bonds to charity trusts, pay themselves huge bonuses and then default on any contracts when the igloo boom goes bust.
[–]0_________________0 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
Move to seastead. Problem solved.
[–]ancientshoes 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
Australia isn't too liberal at all
[–]skw1dward 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
Screw it I'm moving to North Korea.
[–]aznscourge 6 points7 points8 points 7 days ago
Depends why you want to move. If you hate immigrants, then you'll fit right in with a variety of European countries.
[–]bigbrentos 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
I recommended they moved to Saudi Arabia. A strong conservative country with a growing, diversifying economy.
[–]HotDinnerBatman 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
People got mad at me for saying I want to move to Canada, Sweden, or Australia. I'm just here like :"UM, DUH. I KNOW ITS A LIBERAL\SOCIALIST COUNTRY. That's why I would like to go there!"
[–]beerandchips 5 points6 points7 points 7 days ago
Why doesn't anyone understand that the only reason they want to move to Canada or Europe is the abundance of WHITE PEOPLE. They dont give a shit about the politics. They're just pissed about a "nigger in chief" and are afraid of the blacks taking over America. Tell me I'm wrong...
[–]my_buddy_is_a_dog 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
As someone living in the south I can confirm this
[–]Pilx 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
The general Australian consensus is that Republicans are borderline insane.
Anyone who's a republican supporter and is considering moving to Australia because "Obama's going to ruin Amerikka" can... well to put it as Australian as possible "fuck off we're full"
[–]4nonymo 42 points43 points44 points 7 days ago
Except Canada is currently run by a conservative government which ignores science, wants to privatize everything and would gladly spend the majority of its budget on weapons we don't need.
[–]Spave 71 points72 points73 points 7 days ago
Except the Canadian conservative party is still more liberal than the American liberal party. Maybe not in ideology (debatable..) but definitely in terms of what laws they can/will actually pass.
[–]14travis 26 points27 points28 points 7 days ago
People don't realize this. While the CPC is "extremely" right wing in Canadian politics, they'd probably be left-of-centre in the US.
[–]ethanlan -2 points-1 points0 points 7 days ago
Oh really? Everyone keeps saying that. I'd like to hear what your basis is besides everyone on reddit keeps saying it and therefor it must be true.
[–]barntobebad 3 points4 points5 points 7 days ago
I can offer you some toothpicks to keep your eyes open while you google it for yourself... but I doubt anyone wants to spoon-feed you.
[–]ZorkmidSC 14 points15 points16 points 7 days ago
The U.S. equivalent of the PC party would be called the "Pink Poofy Transgendered Panda party"
[–]guywithalamename 8 points9 points10 points 7 days ago
spend the majority of its budget on weapons we don't need
how is this different to the US government?
[–]jaint23 41 points42 points43 points 7 days ago
we don't actually USE them
[–]P10_WRC 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
The leader is not a black guy
[–]six_six_twelve 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
He's not saying that it is.
[–]ubernoodles 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
This is hyperbolic on the part of 4nonymo. Canada spends less than most countries on its military as a % of GDP and its in line or less than what other western democracies spend. While its slightly higher than during the previous liberal government, one has to factor in the cost of Afghanistan.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?order=wbapi_data_value_2011+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=asc
[–]Meshuggah_and_Sons 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Explain how they ignore science? That is one of the main portfolios they are pushing at the moment. I think the conservatives have finally acknowledged the need for science.
[–]amkamins 6 points7 points8 points 7 days ago
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure his science advisor thinks evolution is a hoax.
[–]EsMuyVien 7 points8 points9 points 7 days ago
I think most people actually move because the US is too conservative.
[–]conspiracypenguin 13 points14 points15 points 7 days ago
Remember when Bush won in 2004 and everyone said they were on the next bus to Canada? Remember those 50 mile long lines at the border as political refugees streamed into BC and Toronto?
Wasn't it amazing watching the enclaves of "little America" develop right in Canada over the last 8 years?
People like to whine and stomp their feet. In 2016 a Republican will probably win and the whole cycle of angst-filled college "woe is me" will repeat all over again, as they don't understand that this all flows in cycles.
[–]noyurawk 28 points29 points30 points 7 days ago
Except it made sense, Canada's politics is more fitting to US democrats. Conservatives threatening to move to a more liberal country just goes to demonstrate once more their legendary ignorance.
[–]FirstRyder 10 points11 points12 points 7 days ago
It least that made sense. "If a conservative wins, I'm moving to a more liberal country!" You might not actually do it, but there's logic to it. But "If a liberal wins, I'm moving to a more liberal country!"? Nonsense, and unfortunately exactly what we expect from the party that nominated Romney.
[–]Fantasysage 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Ya know. I never noticed the alien in the top right until now.
[–]tandza 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Yeah, you'll have better chance to find nice conservative mindset somewhere in the middle east. Try moving in a nice country in the sand, things might go well for you there.
[–]theBlueyouonceknew 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Yes because Turkey is such a liberal place...
[–]b8b 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
If conservatives really want a country to move to that fits their ideals better they should check out Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria or any other theocratic country.
[–]TMRNetShark 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
The irony is strong with this one.
[–]remton_asq 7 points8 points9 points 7 days ago
Uh...I can honestly say that I have never heard anyone say that they are moving to Canada or Europe because the US is "too liberal." Where did you hear this?
[–]pasmeme 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
it was all over twitter last night under #fuckobama I had consciously not give a shit or else I would have been retweeting corrections to angst youths and skinheads.
[–]Verbose_Slayer 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Here in the UK were very big on socialism, as for the rest of my european brothers we have free healthcare and value alot of art and culture, were all just a bunch of artistic hippies and musicians, adleast that's what I'm experiencing from my standpoint, but maybe that's because I am an artistic hippy musician.
[–]splitkid1950 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Hey Liberals.. The country that is best avoiding the European crisis followed a key principle from Austrian economists like Milton Friedman, NO ECONOMIC STIMULUS. http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/11/key-lesson-from-iceland-crisis-%E2%80%9Clet-banks-fail%E2%80%9D/
[–]nooneimportant555 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Australia is awesome though.
[–]MattAmazin 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
You could go to Poland.
[–]Jackomo 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Ah you're a Republican, eh? Love our queen, you say?
[–]twat69 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Move to Pakistan. Apparently they love Romney
[–]herobounce 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
Wow, Here in Denmark we have a socialist party in the government right now. I'm half Danish and American and so proud to live in Denmark right now.
[–]Not_A_Triceratops 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
I don't know if you guys heard or not, but Europe, Australia and Canada are more liberal than the USA.
Shocking, I know.
[–]HiFiWiFiSciFi 4 points5 points6 points 7 days ago
So as a bleeding heart liberal progressive tree hugging neo-hippy... I should be just fine leaving this clusterfuck of a nation?
[–]PapaGut 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
We don't want them in Canada.
[–]paidijones 3 points4 points5 points 7 days ago
Still quite conservative places in Europe
[–]Stig2011 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
By Republican standards? Don't think so.
[–]SukayMyDickay 2 points3 points4 points 7 days ago
YES WE FUCKING GET IT.
[–]CaveatLusor 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
I'd think somewhere in Africa would probably be perfect, might look into Kenya...
[–]RudegarWithFunnyHat 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Pakistan or Saudi-Arabia(is Romney rich too) is about conservative enough
[–]The__Afterman 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
I don't think most people who say they're gonna move to Europe would even do so because of liberals. I think its our shitty economy more than anything.
[–]krystalonix 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
I believe that people are saying this because America is going to hell in a hand basket at the moment with the way politics in general are going, nothing gets accomplished, and on another note, Canadian people are kinder, and Tim Horton's
[–]itsbobfg 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
My case for moving to Germany is that their economy is doing well despite the Euro crisis, well was now they are being affected more so. And their gov does not print off money easily as to avoid inflation, something that the US is going to deal with greatly. It's not so much as where the US is ideologically but more so where it is headed with their economy and politically.
[–]MD_NP12 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
That's an understatement
[–]EquipLordBritish 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
The only places you could go to be in a more right-wing place is russia or north korea... or maybe china.
[–]lettherebedwight 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
But could you guys please just...take em?
[–]Program_These 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
How many different memes can we make today that say the same exact thing and get so many upvotes?
Dammit, Reddit.
[–]kupfernikel 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Not only there. South america is pretty liberal aswell. I dont really know any country more right wing then U.S.A. .
[–]shadow4107 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
unless you are in say switzerland.....
[–]TheFreemanLIVES 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
You have been welcomed to /r/pyongyang
[–]player1337 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Can someone tell me how liberal got to become a word with a negative connotation in the US? Where I mean it means exactly what the Republicans seem to stand for. Really, the Liberals in my country have the exact same stance on taxes and the role of the state as your Republicans.
[–]Ineedaboutreefiddy 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Americas two party system is a bowl of shit looking in the mirror at itself- Lewis Black
[–]Emperor_Quintana 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
I'm trying to create a micronation based on conservative ideals. Anyone interested?
[–]Tranger 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Also:
We are going to have a good time.
[–]DarkReaver1337 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Is this true about Australia? I always found them to be a slightly conservative lot or at least compared to the Euros.
[–]knoodler 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
This is why you go to New Zealand who in recent years has completely overhauled its government and has completely done away with wasteful spending and corruption http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/7409
[–]opencondomstar 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Is there any first world nation that's more conservative than the U.S.? Real question.
[–]aspireS 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
You're an American right?
[–]secretsafe 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
GUNNA HAVE. FTFY
[–]Plastastic 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Are you kidding me? Europe is a bastion of tolerance and reason! It's just that THOSE FUCKING GYPSIES ARE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE GOD I WISH SOMEONE WOULD GAS THEM~
[–]big_ol_boners 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
"OMG we r doomed obama goona raise r taxes im moving to europe!"
I deactivated my facebook to avoid seeing the stupidity of people I know. I just love how they all know it's gonna be terrible but don't know about over seas...
[–]2DanceAgain 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
IRELAND BABY!
[–]meowmers54 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Moving to Hong Kong
[–]Aiyon 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
But USA is the land of the free! How can anywhere be more liberal?
[–]voroshenri 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Which country would be the most conservative in EU? Poland?
[–]dproton 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Unless of course you move to Malta... the most conservative nation in the EU... A place Romney would be proud of.
[–]durpdurpdurpdurpdurp 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
There is always Tajikistan or Kyrgyzgyzstanistan.
[–]soapwater 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
I've seen zero posts where right-wing Americans express their desire to move to Europe, Canada, or Australia. It's just another opportunity for Reddit circlejerkers to point out how they're not American. Congrats.
[–]kmerget 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
As of right now, we are more socialist than Canada. Just sayin.
[–]chrisda 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
so...just say how than. MmmmKay?
[–]inajeep 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Shhhhhhhh. We are trying to reduce the concentration.
[–]ConnorTheCatholic 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
The thing is, if I'm going to be paying an exorbitant tax rate I'd like to get something out of it.
[–]--AutonomousKnight-- 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
From a European point of view republicans are bizarre, in France only 2% of the population expressed the intention, had they the chance, to vote for Mitt. Same picture just about everywhere in the world. Apart from one or two middle eastern countries.
[–]cpmccarron 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
shh, don't discourage them.
[–]Mercury756 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
In my case it has more to do with: If Im going to live in a social/liberal country; Im at least going to go to one that does it right. Not: Its too social here, better move to Europe.
[–]Not_a_bot_bot 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
As a serious answer, the Republicans might consider moving to South Africa, where many aspects of government are much smaller than they are here, without being as chaotic as Somalia.
[–]luveroftrees 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
hahaha morons of the gop...
[–]SpaghettiSandwich 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
i was thinking this seeing all the angry conservative posts on Facebook saying "Good knowing ya America" and saying how disappointed they were and asking about group rates out of the country. Where the hell are you going to move? Russia? North Korea? Venezuela? Every true Conservative country is way shittier than the USA.
[–]el-o-el 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
Pretty much anywhere other than the really shitty parts of Africa...
[–]Drakeye457 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
If you move ANYWHERE besides Iran because the US is too liberal, you're gonna have a bad time.
[–]SquidgeBot 1 point2 points3 points 7 days ago
Come to England I don't even know who our prime minister is... I think it's dave
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