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A post in by the tech guy behind today's election lawsuit in Ohio --which was #1 on r/politics and #2 on reddit.com this morning-- was deleted by the mods. The OP was actively posting updates in the thread on an ongoing, potentially crucial story. This is shameful. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 640 points641 points ago

the thread is still active here: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12prub/im_the_tech_behind_the_election_lawsuit_filed_in/

but now nobody will see it. reddit is the perfect venue for whistleblower activities and direct information on breaking stories like this, yet small minded mod bullshit renders it stillborn. meet the new media boss, same as the old one.

NEW INFO: here is the OP Jim Marsh testifying in Ohio earlier today http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=IFY1iwE2qzI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIFY1iwE2qzI%26feature%3Dyoutu.be

WHAT THE FUCK Now the video of the electronic voting machine flipping votes has been taken off of the front page, despite being the #1 post by a huge margin. It's still #1 on r/ politics for now. Here is a direct link: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12q6wu/2012_voting_machine_altering_votes/

edit: okay. as of 10:40 eastern the vote flipping video magically reappeared on reddit.com at the #1 spot after ~30 minute absence. but seriously what the fuck.

[–]ronintetsuroSeeing the fnords 227 points228 points ago

There was a post in this sub earlier about how the Mod staff had asked a dev to neuter the transparancy of the moderation logs - ahead of a national election. Smells pretty fishy to me.

[–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 373 points374 points ago

I've been on reddit for almost 5 years now and it's been quite depressing to watch it go from an open and active community where news happened to the current subreddit ghettos where mods act like petty despots censoring what they please beholden to no one. it's basically only good for reports and memes at this point. or you know, the usual bread and circuses.

from my perspective, a story like this is the whole reason that reddit exists. I'm furious.

[–]evenmoretiredoflibs 51 points52 points ago

So do you think it is a conspiracy or is the result of a system where moderators get their own kingdoms?

[–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 116 points117 points ago

I think that a system where mods of extremely visible subreddits "get their own kingdoms" with little or no oversight is the perfect situation if one were to wish to alter or censor information about certain subjects getting to the right place at the right time. I have no doubt that there are people paid by certain interests to be in these positions and direct that information accordingly.

[–]FatelancerJesse Ventura for President 25 points26 points ago

Too bad mods can't be independents and be a straight arrow when it comes to these things. I guess it is a long shot to think the internet could be bought off, instead of standing strong with the people.

[–]Draape 13 points14 points ago

How about having mods from countries that wont have conflict of interest in the election? I'm pretty sure there are mods from other places in the world than America that can handle the US election threads, and have the US mods handle other elections.

[–]sunshine-xboo 61 points62 points ago

How about mods who don't censor content? Simple as that. Let the votes decide, end of story.

[–]PseudononymousChef 24 points25 points ago

That's what reddit was founded on, no?

[–]AzMoo 18 points19 points ago

Yes. Mods are supposed to do nothing but clean up spam.

[–]sunshine-xboo 8 points9 points ago

yes, back in the day

[–]corporate-stooge 14 points15 points ago

How about no mods at all. Reddit was a better site when they didn't exist.

[–]MySuperLove 5 points6 points ago

That's tricky. I think we can all agree that the heavy-handed moderation at /r/askscience is warranted and improves the quality.

[–]wildo421 8 points9 points ago

You've got to have some boundaries. Plebes will upvote meme junk in even the most niche subs.

[–]theroarer 2 points3 points ago

Careful though, when there was posting of personal information and kiddie porn... That's definitely not okay with a majority of the people here. We need a select few who can take care of that garbage.

If we could just edit that stuff out, and leave all the other content being voted on- I'd be a happy camper.

[–]sunshine-xboo 0 points1 point ago

Certainly, but they can and often do help shape a community.

[–]antrover≈ 0 points1 point ago

This.

The minute you introduce mods into a social community, you've stripped the first amendment away. It's the users job to downvote the spam. Isn't that why there's an upvote and downvote feature? The democracy of reddit continues to be stripped. I've been a member for 4 years (I think. I'm mobile, otherwise I'd check) and a lurker before that. This past year things have really gotten "interesting" around here.

[–]not_perfect_yet 0 points1 point ago

It seems you're still a believer of votes. Circlejerk should have taught you otherwise by now.

[–]TooDrunkDidntFuck 1 point2 points ago

It doesn't work, it will never work to let the votes decide. The shorter the length of the content the faster it rises. Without something fighting low effort content, all the top voted posts will be single words and puns. 1984 newspeak.

[–]antrover≈ 0 points1 point ago

Then there needs to be a better algorithm in place. I don't know what that'd be but maybe it's based on member's join length, number of times they post, interval of time between posts, number of upvotes and downvotes they've received, some other star rating system based on awesomeness, verified email, trophies received, number of subreddits they contribute to (this could be positive or negative), etc... Make it more like warcraft.

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    [–]rightc0astexample 1 point2 points ago

    How about having mods from countries that wont have conflict of interest in the election?

    Except that wouldn't work at all. Agree or disagree ... You could starve to death before finding someone from Australia, Western Europe, etc., who says complete deregulation of healthcare is better option than single payer. Many here also would as well, of course, but almost all people from Scandinavia would.

    [–]f0rmaldehyde 5 points6 points ago

    Just because we dont agree with it doesnt mean we would want to censor it - Australian

    [–]TomSwirlya skeptic's skeptic 0 points1 point ago

    It's hard to validate where mods really come from, though...

    [–]wuzzup 1 point2 points ago

    Who wouldn't accept a check for the sake of a countries democracy that doesn't pertain to them?

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      [–]DEADB33F 1 point2 points ago

      Quite a few of /r/politics mods are from outside the US and are generally independent of US-political bias.

      I'm from the UK and if I had to pigeon-hole my political views I'd say they were centre-right (I voted Tory in the last UK election).

      I certainly don't agree with all the moderating decisions which get made in /r/politics, however I don't believe they are ever done out of political bias. It seems to be more due to the fact that certain political viewpoints get more downvotes and reports than others, so it tends to be those viewpoints which get brought to the attention of moderators more than others.

      For a simplified theoretical example.... If there were 100 pro-democrat submissions and 100 pro-republican submissions and 10% of both break one or more subreddit rules. You'd probably end up with a couple of the rule breaking pro-democrat submissions being reported, whereas all of the rule breaking republican submissions would be reported, along with a load that people report simply because they disagree with the political views expressed in the article.

      This, along with the fact that redditors will downvote political views they disagree with means that /r/politics always seems to have a liberal bias, and the mods seem to be more bias toward removing pro-democrat submissions.

      [–]metapunditedgy 4 points5 points ago

      Quite a few of [1] /r/politics mods are from outside the US and are generally independent of US-political bias.

      Yeah. Bullshit. That's what BEP said when s/he/it and PHOY took over active moderation of /r/politics.

      Previously, there had been a fair amount of criticism of Obama FROM THE LEFT. That was immediately quashed by the new regime. As intended.

      The frank reality is that America is largely left of Obama. Our politicians promise change every election and deliver nothing. As information becomes more available, they increase the misinformation to keep us from remembering just how badly they sell us out.

      [–]KBassma 1 point2 points ago

      "That's what BEP said when s/he/it"

      Why not just use they?

      [–]sofarsogood 1 point2 points ago

      Sir you are a hero and a scholar. It will be too late if Romney takes ohio. MAKE AS BIG A DEAL AS POSSIBLE OF THIS -- IT MUST BE KNOWN BEFORE THE RESULTS ARE IN

      [–]SoundSaladAutononot 1 point2 points ago

      And here is the argument against the western libertarian's call for widespread deregulation.

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        [–]mariod505spoiler 0 points1 point ago

        Is there a difference?

        [–]evenmoretiredoflibs 0 points1 point ago

        Because one is the result of people planning and the other is the result of gravity.

        [–]Moarbrains 0 points1 point ago

        There aren't very many mods in the major subs. Many of them are multis, where two or three of the mods are the different accounts from the same person and some of the multi's are shared accounts, although I don't know who is sharing them.

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          [–]go1dfishBANNED from /r/politics and /r/PoliticalDiscussion 4 points5 points ago

          See /r/POLITIC for an unfiltered alternative

          [–]gonetosea 0 points1 point ago

          I down vote everything on the front page that is a meme. I doubt it will make a difference. It would if 10,000 other Redditors wanted to save Reddit from self-destruction. I'm looking for other websites to go to now.

          [–]TooDrunkDidntFuck 7 points8 points ago

          subscribe to a different front page? It's not hard to unsub from all the picture subreddits.

          [–]privatejokerOnly fuck the ones who cough 0 points1 point ago

          Makes you wonder how often the main stream media gives you the news that YOU want to hear huh?

          [–]ItscalledCannabis 0 points1 point ago

          It's just power hungry people getting mod positions and then just shitting on everyone.. the worst is that the person who made them a mod did so because they are usually inactive...

          [–]SoundSaladAutononot 0 points1 point ago

          Could they hide a single post of mine from all of reddit, but allow me to continue to see it?

          [–]vanface 0 points1 point ago

          Yeah, I think that's what a "shadow-ban" does

          [–]selfchosen2 0 points1 point ago

          a story like this is the whole reason that reddit exists. I'm furious.

          Well, Reddit is open source so it can be forked if the powers that be get to big for their britches.

          [–]Mordy2011 0 points1 point ago

          Maybe we as a community need to start a non profit organization and website to compete with reddit for this community One that will ensure that this type of website cannot be affected by the opinions of individual corporations or governments??? If any information activists are reading, would you mind making a new set of websites to help wane the masses off the corporate teet???

          [–]Depressed_in_Life 0 points1 point ago

          It's turned into "junk food for the brain", it's sad but sometimes nice for a snack.

          [–]sunshine-xboo 8 points9 points ago

          ADMINS, not mods. There's a big difference, please don't smear the mods with incorrect accusations.

          [–]ronintetsuroSeeing the fnords 1 point2 points ago

          Many apologies! Honest mistake.

          [–]sunshine-xboo 1 point2 points ago

          No worries, just looking out for the good folks who spend their spare time trying to keep things running smoothly =)

          [–]massive_cock 3 points4 points ago

          Similar but smaller-potatoes shenanigans like this are the reason I resigned from modding 4 of the defaults and switched to using this account. I wasn't willing to put up with 'hey it's a friend so X or Y are ok' and I damn sure wasn't going to be a party to more serious shit like this.

          [–]Hollywoodian 0 points1 point ago

          I think it's fishy how the ability to sort a custom front page (minus advice animals, etc) by "top" rarely ever works anymore. Without that stupid shit filter, relevant top voted posts can be censored off the front page.

          [–]go1dfishBANNED from /r/politics and /r/PoliticalDiscussion 0 points1 point ago

          This is the post: http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalModeration/comments/12otmi/reddits_admins_at_the_request_of_mods_from/

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            [–]FriENTS_F0r_Ev3r 35 points36 points ago

            The OP posted a video testimony.

            The audio is horrible but not a deal breaker, watch it!

            Edit: Link to the thread and OPs post.

            [–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 10 points11 points ago

            THANK YOU! have you posted this yet?

            [–]FriENTS_F0r_Ev3r 8 points9 points ago

            He actually posted it in the thread so it is probably upvoted by now!

            Updated my comments with link to the thread and OPs post.

            Edit: Link to the thread and OPs post.

            [–]DEADB33F 63 points64 points ago

            The voting machine submission was auto-removed by the reddit spam filter shortly after being submitted, then automatically re-approved by the AutoModerator bot. It's currently approved.

            Many submissions get removed by reddit's over-zealous spam filter and sometimes it takes the mods (including automoderator) several minutes to re-approve it. The best thing you can do is to PM the mods if your submission disappears. If it was removed by a mod they can tell you why, if it was removed by the spam filter when it shouldn't have been they can approve it so it goes back to the top of the /new queue.

            I can only guess, but I'd imagine that the reason a mod removed the election lawsuit submission is due it being a 3rd party unverified source and not from a major news site which has fact checked the submission's contents prior to publication.

            As I say, that was just a guess. It wasn't me who removed it though, so I can't say for sure.

            [–]emotionlotion -4 points-3 points ago

            Now it's gone again, from the front page, r/all, and r/politics.

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              [–]Kuusou 5 points6 points ago

              Does this only effect front page or something? I use /all and that post is still right on top for me.

              [–]0Keske0 4 points5 points ago

              The post was blocked for rule violation. Reposting in a way that didnt violate the rules would be the best bet :)

              Anomaly100's reply to me: "If we put this one through, then we have to put every single one through. It doesn't work that way. This is not censorship. The author/submitter could have easily done an AMA and/or a self post on Saturday, but if you feel better blaming the evil mods because the rules were broken, then that's cool with me. "

              [–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 5 points6 points ago

              i appreciate you taking the time to hassle them. ive talked to them too, with similar responses, and i even understand what they are saying TO A POINT. But there is this insane implication that the bullshit made up subreddit "rules" are worth more than a potentially huge news story, and that enforcing them regardless of context is somehow their duty. fuck that cowardly bureaucratic bullshit. this is the Internet, not a friggin elementary school. this is real world events with serious consequences, not some Star Trek fan forum.

              people posting important stories might not be familiar with your particular subreddit bullshit rules

              [–]0Keske0 2 points3 points ago

              Yeah Id prefer them allow exceptions on popular topics, hell put a poll on the sidebar/in the comments of the post to see if it stays up?

              If the next president wanted to do an AMA in /r/politics, I dont see why a post like that should be shot down for a rule violation.

              [–]mariod505spoiler 1 point2 points ago

              ...if this were an elementary school, I'd have to point you to the shift key (hint: it's on both sides!).

              [–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 3 points4 points ago

              and if this were elementary school I'd probably give you a wedgie and stuff you into a locker for that pedantic comment ;)

              [–]TheNoxx 0 points1 point ago

              Powertripping retards in charge of one of the largest political forums on the internet.

              Fucking great.

              [–]kavorka2 19 points20 points ago

              The r/politics mods are the worst on all of reddit -- it's a shame they control such an important subreddit. They are disorganized and enforce the rules randomly. And the rules make no sense. Once a submission was blocked, I was given a stupid reason -- and I pointed out that the #1 post on the subreddit had the same problem -- and 1 minute later they deleted it. Then another moderator restored it. Then it was deleted again.

              VOTING SHOULD BE THE MODERATION. That's the whole point of reddit. Not stupid arbitrary rules. If it's submitted in r/politics and voted to the front page, it should stay no matter what.

              [–]Sandy_106 6 points7 points ago

              It's not just r/politics, a lot of them are also on the other big reddits like r/worldnews.

              [–]nessinn 2 points3 points ago

              Why would the mods delete these posts?

              [–]ninjasenses 4 points5 points ago

              The mods took it down because they said is should be in /r/AMA

              [–]middleageddude 2 points3 points ago

              MSNBC has it.

              [–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 0 points1 point ago

              that is FANTASTIC. well after the information would have been useful to voters and Ohio residents. better than nothing though for sure.

              [–]WaterYouDoing 0 points1 point ago

              Is there a transcript for that video somewhere? The Audi is very choppy.

              [–]russellvt 1 point2 points ago

              You realize, of course, that by posting that to Reddit, he can be jeopardizing the entire case they may have against the manufacturers of those machines, right? I am not a lawyer, but even I can spot some pretty big, potentially libellous lines in there.

              Agreed, I am all for reasonable and interesting discussion here ... but I would rather NOT see the discussion happen than see their chances at successfully vetting the machines being completely lost.

              [–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 0 points1 point ago

              that is a good point to bring up, and perhaps you're right that it would be better for the lawsuit if the post hadn't happened, I don't know enough to be able to have an opinion about that. but I DO know that mods censoring crucial information like this is a colossal disservice and outrageous.

              [–]russellvt 0 points1 point ago

              And I'm telling you ... they probably did the case against the company (redacted), as well as Mr. March, a huge, huge favor by deleting the thread.

              [–]lettersofgod 0 points1 point ago

              They know.

              [–]SupermanV2_h8s_USA 0 points1 point ago

              Conde Nast in association with supermanv2

              [–]fermented-fetus -2 points-1 points ago

              I don't think you understand how posts get to the front page...

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                [–]pinkpanthers 70 points71 points ago

                The question is, why are Mods allowed to hide posts from the front page!

                I understand the authority to delete, but there is no purpose that I can think of to have the ability to hide. That gives mods the ability to manipulate the front page without the knowledge of the OP or the readers....at least when a post is deleted the OP is aware and can appeal it.

                [–]redpoemage 10 points11 points ago

                Hiding things from the front page can be useful for medium sized communities that don't want all the trolls and silly people that come from front page posts. It's a useful feature, but I can't see why the mods used it here.

                [–]pinkpanthers 11 points12 points ago

                I disagree. Deleting such posts if they go against the subreddits rules is what should be done. Hiding...I just dont understand why it's a feature.

                [–]AwkwardTurtle 5 points6 points ago

                That's what deleting a thread does. It simply removes it from the list. If you have the direct link you can always still access it.

                Edit:

                Here I made you a subreddit to see how this works:

                the subreddit has no posts:

                http://www.reddit.com/r/pinkpanther/

                but here's a deleted post I made in it that's still accessible from this direct link:

                http://www.reddit.com/r/pinkpanther/comments/12rck4/this_post_is_deleted/

                You can't make new comments in it though.

                [–]BinLeenk 74 points75 points ago

                Back in March, I had a feeling 2012 was going to be the year election fraud was revealed to the American masses.

                [–]filmfiend999 57 points58 points ago

                Back in Novembers of '00 and '04, I thought the same.

                [–]niperwiper 19 points20 points ago

                And yet nothing for '08?

                [–]AndrewGaspar 22 points23 points ago

                Clearly they took the year off.

                [–]filmfiend999 20 points21 points ago

                ...or McCain didn't have a shot in hell. That wasn't even close.

                [–]Mrs_Brisby 4 points5 points ago

                Like, seriously, you know, like, I totally voted for like, Sarah Palin, cuz, you know, she like, totally was just like me. You know?

                [–]BronzedNipples 10 points11 points ago

                They honestly didn't want to win in 2008.

                [–]xyroclast 9 points10 points ago

                Is that a thing? Taking a fall in presidential elections? It would certainly explain McCain/Palin

                [–]BronzedNipples 8 points9 points ago

                Yup. They knew the economy would worsen no matter what and that 2012-2016 would be one of the biggest recovery periods. They've been going for this election the whole time.

                [–]xyroclast 7 points8 points ago

                Then why did they pick Romney and Ryan? They've acted like bumbling fools!

                [–]BronzedNipples 7 points8 points ago

                They weren't counting on that.

                [–]SeriouslyStoptheDerp 2 points3 points ago

                They've acted like bumbling fools!

                To people who care to look at them. To the people who want them to be their savior, they look like fucking super-stars. Like grade A, jesus reborn, super-stars.

                [–]xyroclast 4 points5 points ago

                It must be the haircuts.

                [–]GravyShallow 1 point2 points ago

                Yeah, no afros.

                [–]martin519 1 point2 points ago

                Who would you have suggested? Ricky Perry, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann? Because Ron Paul and John Hunstman never stood a chance.

                [–]xyroclast 1 point2 points ago

                Yeah, there's a whole lot of "ouch" there.

                My suggestion, personally, is that the Republican party wither and fall off.

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                  [–]scrumpydoo23 0 points1 point ago

                  The Dems did it in 1972 with George McGovern.

                  [–]Matt08642 4 points5 points ago

                  It's only fraud if the guy you want to win loses.

                  [–]bobartig 1 point2 points ago

                  Electronic voting records demonstrate skewed results from '08, but it was not enough to change the results of the election because Obama won by a landslide.

                  [–]chiknbooboo 1 point2 points ago

                  Back in 2008 I felt the same way.

                  [–]xnoybis 2 points3 points ago

                  Haha - I beat you - I was thinking about it on February 29th!

                  [–]Dino7813 15 points16 points ago

                  I'd like to see an explanation as to why the post was removed. If there was no violation of the sub's rules, the mod should no longer be a mod.

                  [–]phillyharper 48 points49 points ago

                  Message the mods to tell them of your disapproval.

                  http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12qhow/message_the_mods_if_you_disapprove_with_their/

                  EDIT

                  I've now been banned from posting in /r/politics for telling the mods off. Make sure you continue to post there, this is very important. Tell /r/politics what has happened.

                  [–]Sailer 6 points7 points ago

                  Register another user name.

                  [–]PhedreRachelle 6 points7 points ago

                  Or just stop using the subreddit. All it takes is people starting to use a different subreddit and the power will shift, alternatives need just that little bit more traffic so the upvotes bring it to the main page and then who cares what /r/politics does. We're all so crippled all the time just because we don't want to be the one to start something as we fear we will not be joined. Just do it!

                  [–]go1dfishBANNED from /r/politics and /r/PoliticalDiscussion 3 points4 points ago

                  Try /r/POLITIC for an unfiltered alternative that is seeded with the content from existing subs such as /r/politics and /r/worldnews

                  [–]PhedreRachelle 1 point2 points ago

                  I am there already! :)

                  I honestly never saw the post OP is referring to, as I am subscribed to politic and not politics

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                    [–]stopbeingsheep 0 points1 point ago

                    Sounds like they're playing politics over in /r/politics....WOAH! I'll show myself out.

                    [–]ropers 18 points19 points ago

                    I've come to the conclusion that /r/politics moderation habits lie somewhere between over-enforcement, condescension, power-trip, BOFH and fascist administrator.

                    [–]Sabremesh 26 points27 points ago

                    This is very concerning, but it isn't a surprise.

                    Election rigging has been a serious problem in the US for a very long time, but the advent of electronic voting machines which cannot be scrutinised by election officials was obviously going to be a dangerous development. And so it has proved.

                    Everyone should read this excellent, comprehensive article by Victoria Collier.

                    [–]Sailer -1 points0 points ago

                    I think you meant to say 'disconcerting'.

                    [–]Sabremesh 0 points1 point ago

                    I am not sure why. Unless you're not aware that "concerning" is a word in its own right?

                    [–]BonzaiPlatypus -1 points0 points ago

                    Election rigging has always been a problem. It started getting really bad in the 2000 election and progressed from there. This year is one of the most blatant ones that I've personally seen. I may be biased though...I've read all of Greg Palasts books since last election.

                    [–]HouseOfHouse 0 points1 point ago

                    Greg Palast is a great journalist. A real journalist.

                    [–]DrLongpig 6 points7 points ago

                    It's fun to watch r/conspiracy hit teh front page, SHILLS ON PARADE

                    [–]MisterAgreeable 6 points7 points ago

                    Hopefully this doesn't get lost in the comments, but how can we go about getting an Administrator to look in to this? How do we get those moderator who are responsible removed or blacklisted? I am not a frequent r/conspiracy visitor, but the fact this is only being discussed here is frightening to me in terms of the future of reddit. I remember years ago that reddit was THE place to find information outside of the bubble. So what do we do?

                    [–]tetefather 4 points5 points ago

                    The word "conspiracy" unfortunately removes all seriousness and credibility of a topic that is tagged underneath it in the eyes of uninformed people. Thus, mods do not care about what is posted on /r/conspiracy as they assume nobody will take it seriously.

                    I find it highly suspicious that certain topics get deleted from other subreddits and survive here, only to be ignored by the reddit population. Unfortunately this happens a lot, this is NOT THE FIRST TIME.

                    [–]blacksunalchemyreality is an illusion 50 points51 points ago

                    /r/politics mods are a disgrace sometimes.

                    [–]duffmanhb 23 points24 points ago

                    The mods took it down because they said is should be in /r/AMA

                    ಠ_ಠ

                    [–]MR_WITTY_RESPONSE 2 points3 points ago

                    Hell well take it over at /r/Internetama if no one else will. This is a shame.

                    [–]kondron 3 points4 points ago

                    We'll gladly accept it at /r/SquaredCircle .. Even though it has very little to do with Professional Wrestling.

                    [–]filmfiend999 8 points9 points ago

                    Not to be a buzzkill, but why would the admins allow it to be posted here if Reddit was really trying to suppress the suppression story? Just sayin.

                    EDIT: I know who the mods are, because they are shown in the margins. I'm talking about admins, because they make the final call about what stays on Reddit, anywhere, and what goes. Right? If that isn't how it works, and you know for sure, please explain how it does.

                    NOT A FALSE FLAG.. that was a funny one.

                    [–]nobanker 9 points10 points ago

                    He said mods, not admins.

                    [–]blacksunalchemyreality is an illusion 5 points6 points ago

                    I'm a mod, that isn't quite how it works. The admins don't care what gets posted so long as it doesn't violate the TOS.

                    It's the subreddit mods that control the content.

                    [–]filmfiend999 0 points1 point ago

                    Unless, perhaps, a really big story comes out that wouldn't be in the interest of certain special interests for the public to find out, right? Even if in a WaCkY conspiracy subreddit?

                    [–]blacksunalchemyreality is an illusion 1 point2 points ago

                    What?

                    [–]filmfiend999 0 points1 point ago

                    See my first comment

                    [–]rightc0astexample 2 points3 points ago

                    Admins do sometimes too. Remember the Sears stuff? That was a certainty, and Spez even said he'd tell everyone what happened once he was no longer a conde nast employee ... but AFAIK never did that.

                    [–]blacksunalchemyreality is an illusion 1 point2 points ago

                    That's true they do, but they are very rare in comparison to the mountains removed by mods.

                    Technically the mods at /r/politics had a legitimate excuse to remove the post. But I would have let it slide for the sake of pertinent information.

                    [–]Shnazzyone 2 points3 points ago

                    Because the people who mod /r/politics don't(hopefully) mod /r/conspiracy

                    [–]PhedreRachelle 1 point2 points ago

                    In other words the real problem here is not a reddit conspiracy, but having questionable mods in a single subreddit. I know we always think that our individual action does nothing as that's been beaten in to us pretty consistently (so angry and sad that we let ourselves believe what is obviously a simple restriction tactic...), but the best option in this scenario is to just start using an alternative and get these posts to the front page through a subreddit that is not modded by crazy people

                    [–]filmfiend999 0 points1 point ago

                    So, who screens the mods? Or hires them? I'm a mod as well, but I don't remember a rigorous vetting process...

                    [–]PhedreRachelle 1 point2 points ago

                    No one does, and that is how it always has been and always should be. It's an entertainment site when you get down to it. If you don't like part of it, don't use it. Go try another subreddit. If it proves to be the same, move on again. It's not like we're in some town with limited space here.

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                      [–]rotzooi 15 points16 points ago

                      It's goddamn BREAKING NEWS, who the hell lets a little stupid rule from the sidebar dictate if such an important post gets killed or not? Fuck me, let's install some mods who aren't sad pathetic nincompoops.

                      [–]zapbark 5 points6 points ago

                      I've gotten posts deleted in other subs, what often happens is the mods bulk delete posts. Especially in popular subreddits (like r/politics) try to think of how many self posts there were of people posting their own voting experiences...

                      At that point the only sane way to combat it is automation (e.g. delete all posts where date = today and post.type = self).

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                        [–]allholy1 1 point2 points ago

                        The image that the OP posted is a link to the google docs page, not a self post.

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                        [–]allholy1 -1 points0 points ago

                        In the title of his post, it says fixed. It's probably his second post, but it doesn't explain why/if that one got removed if it isn't a self-post.

                        [–]Fig1024 0 points1 point ago

                        I still don't understand how that can be considered a valid reason. I know reddit is big supporter of marijuana, but I think they shouldn't invent rules when they are high.

                        [–]Sandy_106 0 points1 point ago

                        Whoever you were replying to deleted their post but if it was about the no elf posts rule, that's been in effect for weeks. And personally I dont really have a problem with it either, r/politics was even more of a circlejerk cesspit when they were allowed. It wasnt uncommon to see over half the front page covered in brave self posts like "IAMA 70 year old lifelong republican voting for Obama" and all kinds of shit like that.

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                          [–]phillyharper 10 points11 points ago

                          I contacted the mods. Told them I thought they were a disgrace for removing this story - there's NO justification for it at all. He replied with this:

                          Never before have you seen a #1 story removed? Really? I've done that dozens of times. If a submission doesn't follow the rules, we remove it. It didn't follow the rules. So, it got removed.

                          [–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 1 point2 points ago

                          I'm sure they get off on removing popular stories. petty displays of power :/

                          [–]PNWd☮ 0 points1 point ago

                          And a disgraceful reply..they don't even bother to lie anymore, just a smarmy "deal with it, citizen". I think this proves once and for all that /r/politics is a joke, a farce, and not worthy of our attention. The mod(s) who removed this post are small people with even smaller minds, that's where their egos come in to fill the gap.

                          [–]thattreesguy 3 points4 points ago

                          it makes zero sense that the code for voting machines is not open source

                          [–]jlmango 1 point2 points ago

                          boooooo mods boooooo

                          [–]Karrl1z4j2 4 points5 points ago

                          This really pisses me the fuck off.

                          [–]CptJackHarkness 5 points6 points ago

                          YET, Reddit allowed a game developer to put his game at the top of reddit yesterday. In this game you take a mallet and bash Romney in the head. Every single comment was at how disgusted people were that reddit would allow this and the OP trying to defend the game. So it is funny how some things make it through and truth about people does not.

                          [–]JakeSanchard 9 points10 points ago

                          The mods in /r/politics are a bunch of tossers anyway, this is just a mere gust in the sails of their faggotry.

                          [–]IThinkIThinkTooMuch 4 points5 points ago

                          If I were the lawyer behind that lawsuit, I would have asked the mods to remove it. This information being out there could potentially be extremely harmful to any future litigation; it will be used to show discrepancies with discovery, as well as testimony under oath. More importantly, it blows the cover off counsel's ability to control the flow of information.

                          I realize how this could look bad, but it may in fact be the opposite.

                          EDIT: Lawyer here with experience in civil litigation.

                          [–]stoned_reddit_alien 5 points6 points ago

                          Reddit claims to be against censorship but proves time-and-time again that it's just as corrupt as every other social networking website.

                          [–]DrLongpig 2 points3 points ago

                          http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

                          [–]JesusHRChrist 4 points5 points ago

                          I say ban the mods and get new ones.

                          [–]alllie 0 points1 point ago

                          How do we know that document is real and not an attempt by the Republicans, especially Rove, to discredit the idea that the voting machines are fixed. And we don't find out until AFTER.

                          [–]DrLongpig 1 point2 points ago

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-58-36lSqG4

                          [–]jmdugan 2 points3 points ago

                          CBS news covering it

                          http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57545531/ohio-faces-controversy-over-voting-machines/

                          http://twitter.com/JMDugan/status/265901715847520256

                          [–]rskinsg 2 points3 points ago

                          Wow. http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-investment-in-voting-machines-2012-10. It all comes together

                          [–]Ardal 1 point2 points ago

                          With over 200 comments this one is getting buried but all the same I have to say this guy uses the word 'wrongest' ......let me change that to INVENTS the word 'wrongest'........fucking 'wrongest' WTF

                          [–]mgf2308 2 points3 points ago

                          The sooner you lot go back to marking a cross on a piece of paper with a pencil the happier you will be.

                          [–]go1dfishBANNED from /r/politics and /r/PoliticalDiscussion 5 points6 points ago

                          For more removals from /r/politics and others see /r/ModerationLog

                          For an unfiltered alternative check out /r/POLITIC

                          [–]artur6000 8 points9 points ago

                          REDDIT IS CORRUPTED and Censored

                          [–]redsoxfan8227 3 points4 points ago

                          This is bullshit... Not the post, just the fact they are going to get away with this

                          [–]tetefather 4 points5 points ago

                          I want an OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT from the mod who deleted the topics on why he did it and if it was justified exactly which rules the topics violated. If the rule sounds like a made up rule to just ban whatever topics they deem bannable, then the rules should be changed.

                          [–]lemurstep 2 points3 points ago

                          Find out which mod deleted it and ban his account.

                          [–]bumblingmumblingBringing Down the ZOG Machine 4 points5 points ago

                          R/politics and r/worldnews might as well be run by the old Communists because they sure act like it. Censorship, control, and propaganda just like the Communists did.

                          [–]mozilla_fatfox 3 points4 points ago

                          For Christ's sake, America does this!!

                          [–]Piratefishy 6 points7 points ago

                          any extreme political group does this, not just communists....nazi's for example.....ಠ_ಠ

                          [–]161719 4 points5 points ago

                          Why was it taken down? Do they give any reason for it?

                          Personally I don't buy the whole "vote-rigging" thing. Seems like a complex and risky operation for little gain. It's much easier to just make sure that both major "viable" candidates share views on every important issue.

                          That, they can do months and months in advance and manage it easily through the party hierarchy.

                          [–]BonzaiPlatypus 3 points4 points ago

                          There are many issues that both major candidates share the same views on. Major issues. Ones that don't get publicized much in the media. There are also groups that do spend quite a bit on each candidate...basically playing both sides of the chess board. But there is still quite a bit to gain for many groups/people if their chosen side wins the election. Vote rigging isn't really all that risky when it comes down to it especially with all the ways they go about stealing/rigging/blocking votes. Just look at what happened in Florida in 2000. Bush won the election by about 500 votes. Thousands of eligible voters, most of whom would have voted democrat, were wiped from the roles in that election and had their votes blocked. Nothing ever came of it. Even if this Ohio stuff does turn out to be some vote rigging conspiracy just how much backlash is there really going to be? Maybe the supervisor of elections will take a fall. A few other people? But really..just how much damage do you really think it will do to the republican party? 4 years from now most people voting republican will either have forgotten or not have cared in the first place. It's not like there is a way to go after or dissolve an entire major political party from something like this.

                          Back to just making sure both major candidates share the same views though. There are so many groups that have different agendas backing both candidates. It's not as if there is one mastermind behind the whole thing so it makes it much harder to align views like that. Also, regardless of them aligning on certain key views, there are other key views they will never align on. People like the Koch Brothers hold support getting rid of social security. Destroying unions. etc. The Democrats would lose a huge base of their voters if those things were seriously attacked by them.

                          So yeah long post...I hope that made some sense :)

                          [–]Mepsi 2 points3 points ago

                          Apparently it should have been an ama and be on one of those subreddits.

                          [–]Cragnous 2 points3 points ago

                          Why is this in Conspiracy... it's shit like this that will make people not trust the information here and only go for the official story... This should be in the news, it's good info.

                          [–]sonQUAALUDE[S] 4 points5 points ago

                          honestly, I posted this and similar threads to a few different subs and it just happened that this is where it blew up. and I'm GLAD of that because /r/conspiracy is a motivated group, unlike say /r/pics or something.

                          [–]Sailer 3 points4 points ago

                          Fortunately we don't all think that way, or the way that you do.

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                          [–]fuser_ 6 points7 points ago

                          I did not Netanyahu that.

                          [–]cowboyhaze 0 points1 point ago

                          Or this guy could just be a master troll...

                          [–]Rockran 0 points1 point ago

                          Why do you state the post was deleted - When it's still the top submission in that thread?

                          Was the post that was allegedly deleted different from the one in your image?

                          [–]SupermanV2_h8s_USA 0 points1 point ago

                          Just throwing this out there. But I bet supermanv2 had something to do with this.

                          [–]jmdugan 1 point2 points ago

                          Reddit discussion of CBS News coverage, I just posted it

                          http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12qx2a/ohio_faces_controversy_over_voting_machines_cbs/

                          [–]mondoennui 0 points1 point ago

                          http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/TROmotion.pdf

                          Just clarifying that I have read TWO motions regarding a lawsuit in Ohio. This link is different than the link in the thread referenced by OP.

                          [–]gamebox3000 1 point2 points ago

                          Re: Florida 2000?

                          [–]Gene_The_Stoner 1 point2 points ago

                          Oh I like that guy. :)

                          [–]coolmatel 0 points1 point ago

                          Shameful. People who know how much attention reddit can give seem to be influencing the mods. There are countless of times where other mods have been known for this exact sort of thing. r/trees, r/gaming well pretty much every major sub-reddit.

                          [–]fathairybeast 0 points1 point ago

                          Figure out the names of the mods who deleted it.

                          Public shaming. Removal of moderating privileges.

                          [–]0mega9401 0 points1 point ago

                          what ever happened to freedom of speech.... i guess condenast is gonna fuck us again... we could downvote to everything thats not related to this story, just saying

                          [–]Plow_King 0 points1 point ago

                          do people actually know that reddit is private property, and not the town square?

                          [–]isenorcj 0 points1 point ago

                          You use ad block? You prick lol

                          [–]Faceless_Troll 1 point2 points ago

                          Is there any evidence that he's the tech?

                          [–]clocks52damngovernmentyouscary 0 points1 point ago

                          I just wanna know... What the fuck is wrong with using a fuckin pen??

                          [–]RandomWhiteDudee 0 points1 point ago

                          this site is shit

                          [–]fishforbrains 0 points1 point ago

                          You cannot ruin important propaganda like the election. It is one of the core lies. The idea that you live in a democracy, when you do not. The idea that your vote counts, when it does not. These lies must be protected.

                          [–]kharnal 1 point2 points ago

                          My message to /r/politics mods...

                          Subject: Removing the post by JimMarch regarding vote rigging suit

                          It seems the mods in /r/politics can't see the forest through the trees. Do you all have Asperger's?

                          [–]Dayanx 1 point2 points ago

                          spam the mods AND reddit admins with megatons of sock puppet emails demanding why.

                          For what its worth, I'm pretty sure I know why.

                          [–]KingdomofTards -1 points0 points ago

                          Only in America? How is this even possibld...!?

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