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[–]40_Minus_1 161 points162 points ago

Yeah, it's weird that all these lawmakers would have studied law.

[–]TheOneWhoKnocksBitch 41 points42 points ago

Fucking right? As a criminology student I get offended everytime I'm not allowed to perform heart surgery on someone.

[–]DollarsThanSense 4 points5 points ago

Although as a lawmaker, I would appreciate the input of a criminologist when it comes legislating for the treatment of criminals and prevention of crimes.

[–]TumbleDryLow 6 points7 points ago

Eeeexactly! Hence the need for intelligent advisors for the makers of our laws and the heads of specific departments within the government.

I love Neil Degrasse Tyson but this quote is more than a bit silly.

[–]terrdc 2 points3 points ago

The interns are the ones who actually make the laws.

[–]butterandbacon 3 points4 points ago

Lawmaking reaches far beyond the study of law. That's like saying a business that makes prosthetics only needs doctors, when clearly engineers and designers are just as important.

[–]MarlonBain 2 points3 points ago

It's a weird thing. Since I've been in law school, I've spent way too much time studying what Congress did and didn't intend to do at various times. Most of my time is spent reading cases, and it's rare that a judge will override what is clearly written in a statute. But what's clearly written in a statute to a lawyer isn't necessarily so clear to everyone else. We are taught ways to read things that normal people don't see. So if all of the entire profession of lawyers are expecting laws to be written in a certain way, and the entire court system is set up for laws to be read in a certain way, then it gums up the works when statutes are written differently.

Ideally, you'd have a legislative body full of people who not only understand how the legal system works works, but who studied other things. In law school these days, the trend is for more people to have real experience. I worked in business where I saw how corporations fuck consumers. I have a classmate who worked for NASA, and several of the smartest people I know in school were public school teachers before law school. A few were musicians. These people give a shit about stuff outside the law. When we learn about how the law works, we talk about how it affects real people or real things with real examples. That's what I want in legislatures.

If you let me be idealistic for a second, this is the reason why Congress has so many hearings all the time. It's a royal pain in my ass as a law student to do legislative research and have hundreds or thousands of pages of testimony to wade through to figure out what the fuck Congress was thinking when they made some decision. But that's why they do it: so they can learn what's really going on.

But idealism aside, I realize full well that the legislators in Congress (or any other body) aren't actually writing the bills, or even reading them. They don't actually give a shit what's going on in the world, they are just trying to cover their asses. And it's been this way for years. I was always a pretty cynical motherfucker, but nothing made me more cynical than reading about the Founding Fathers going back on shit they promised in the Federalist papers. And those guys were much smarter and more trustworthy than most of the more powerful men we've had in government since. Plus, do voters really give a shit about how well laws are written? I really think Madison was onto something with Federalist 10, but these days, there are just too many people in any legislative district to have any connection between job quality and voter appeal.

Democracy is great, but there has to be a better way to align incentives for powerful people than what we have now.

But this manifesto doesn't belong in /r/funny, does it?

[–]unsubwithoutaccount 0 points1 point ago

The vast majority of these "lawmakers" don't even read the bills they're signing. A representative democracy should represent as many walks of life as possible. Lawyers are living in their own bubble and don't understand half the shit going on in the world. They're leeches on society and create their own market demand.

[–]TheMauveAvenger 8 points9 points ago

I, too, enjoy sweeping generalizations.

[–]MarlonBain 2 points3 points ago

Lawyers are living in their own bubble and don't understand half the shit going on in the world.

Shitty lawyers live in their own bubble. Good lawyers pay attention to how laws apply to what's happening in the world. All lawyers, though, need to understand how written laws affect things, and the job of legislating is to write laws.

[–]mongoOnlyPawn 0 points1 point ago

Good lawyers...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[–]P_Charming 81 points82 points ago

They're probably busy benefiting society

[–]Timibumatay 19 points20 points ago

Boom.

[–]bootselectric 1 point2 points ago

[–]Robotochan 0 points1 point ago

Would they not be able to better serve society from power?

[–]Epithemus 56 points57 points ago

Would be better somewhere else. It's not funny.

[–]drweezyfbaby 7 points8 points ago

but it has already been on every other subreddit. funny was all that was left!

[–]TumbleDryLow 3 points4 points ago

Nope, it's been here too. Repeatedly.

[–]mongoOnlyPawn 0 points1 point ago

Maybe there should be a law against repeats. That will stop the problem.

[–]unsubwithoutaccount 3 points4 points ago

You first have to understand that comedy holds it's roots in tragedy.

[–]artacuno53 0 points1 point ago

Well, I said that on a post not even a day ago and was told that that is subjective, while I myself find it very clever and not that funny, I'm sure someone does.

I mean, it's getting upvoted isn't it?

[–]mystery_trams 0 points1 point ago

Where's /r/clever when you need it?

[–]artacuno53 0 points1 point ago

Set to private D:

[–]neyya_ketty_erma 0 points1 point ago

In reddit, Neil Degrasse Tyson = mandatory upvote.

[–]theforemost187 0 points1 point ago

This was on Bill Maher = mandatory upvote.

[–]M1chaM 5 points6 points ago

Technocratie

[–]AlbinoAJ 12 points13 points ago

How the hell is this funny?

[–]DSTFU 15 points16 points ago

HAHA THIS IS SO FUNNY HAHAHAHA

[–]Wyer 5 points6 points ago

IF YOU'RE GOING TO REPOST AT LEAST DO IT IN AN APPROPRIATE SUBREDDIT.

[–]clyde_taurus 24 points25 points ago

I'm sorry. But this is like walking into a hospital and bitching that they only employ doctors and nurses.

[–]aijoe 2 points3 points ago

I'm sorry but unless doctors can't be congressmen then your analogy fails. A lawyer or engineer can't be a doctor without proper training and certification because of rules and regulations. There are a number of congressmen who have been doctors even. There are no rules preventing an engineer or scientist from being a congressmen. If you desire that type of government move to North Korea.

[–]Goat_man436 3 points4 points ago

Ron Paul was a doctor, and Reddit eats his shit with a wooden spoon.

[–]Shoden 1 point2 points ago

I'm sorry. But this is like walking into a hospital and bitching that they only employ doctors and nurses.

That doesn't make any sense. Is congress only for lawyers and business people? Don't they also have doctors, and a few other professions that become congressmen?

[–]MarlonBain 4 points5 points ago

On one hand, it would be good to have people in Congress who know shit about what is being legislated on. But they legislate about everything. The one common thread about what they do is that it involves making laws. Making laws is pretty specific business. If you don't know what you're doing, you're going to fuck it up.

My issue isn't that they're lawyers, it's that they're shitty lawyers.

[–]Shoden 0 points1 point ago

My issue isn't that they're lawyers, it's that they're shitty lawyers.

I totally get whey there are lawyers, since they kind of make laws. But it's not only lawyers, they are business men and other professions as well. So complaining that we don't have a few engineers and scientist to spice things up like we have businessmen and doctors is a valid complaint.

[–]aijoe 1 point2 points ago

Its really little different from the complaint we'd have if we had no women or minorities in congress. How is the government supposed to represent any of their concerns without a least one person representing them in congress. I'm a scientist and don't think it is it wrong to desire to have some of my concerns represented by someone that understands my concerns better than a lawyer

[–]MarlonBain 1 point2 points ago

There are lawyers with science training, or who used to be scientists. There need to be, so they can understand science issues when it comes to patent prosecution or litigation. It's actually the best way to have job security as a lawyer.

Those kinds of people would be excellent in Congress, in my opinion. I honestly thought we did have at least a few of them.

[–]Shoden 0 points1 point ago

Those kinds of people would be excellent in Congress, in my opinion. I honestly thought we did have at least a few of them.

Maybe not enough at the very least.

[–]aijoe 0 points1 point ago

There are lawyers with science training, or who used to be scientists.

There are people who have thought about taking science courses too. But on the path to doing real science doesn't make you a scientist per se. I know people who have graduated with chemistry degrees and realized they really didn't like chemistry and did something in another profession instead. Those aren't scientists. I imagine a scientist as a person who actually applies science in some field by collecting data, writing peer reviewed papers, and making testable predictions. A lawyer just memorizing what scientists in the field have discovered is doesn't necessarily make that lawyer an expert in scientific fields or methodology.

[–]MarlonBain 0 points1 point ago

Wait. You realize that we do have several engineers and scientists in Congress, right? It's not like there aren't any.

[–]aijoe 1 point2 points ago

Read the analogy clyde_taurus is giving. He is saying wanting engineers in Congress is like wanting lawyers working in hospitals. The OP quote is about how lawyers are being massively overrepresented in congress compared to scientists. Among the 435 in the house there are about 3 scientists and 6 engineers.

[–]clyde_taurus 1 point2 points ago

All walks of life are represented in the Congress. There have been plenty of politicians with scientific backgrounds.

NDT is just full of it.

Folks ... some things he says are just dumb. He's not God. He's not perfect. This was a dumb thing he said. Get over it.

[–]Shoden -1 points0 points ago

All walks of life are represented in the Congress. There have been plenty of politicians with scientific backgrounds.

Ok

NDT is just full of it.

Not really, he is just a scientist who would like to see more scientist in congress.

[–]clyde_taurus 3 points4 points ago

There are plenty of people with scientific backgrounds in Congress, as any good scientist interested in actual facts would know and research before popping off that only lawyers and businessmen are there. People from all walks of life are represented in the Congress. And Neal deGrasse Tyson should think before he speaks and do some research before he speaks.

Professions represented in the 111th Congress:

24 members were health care professionals

  • Of the 24, 16 were medical doctors (14 Representatives and two Senators: family medicine specialists Rep. Vic Snyder, John C. Fleming, Paul Broun, and Del. Donna Christian-Christensen; psychiatrist Rep. Jim McDermott; ob/gyns Sen. Tom Coburn and Reps. Michael C. Burgess, Ron Paul, Phil Roe, and Phil Gingrey; allergist Rep. Steve Kagen; hepatologist/gastroenterologist Rep. Bill Cassidy; heart surgeon Rep. Charles Boustany; radiation oncologist Rep. Parker Griffith; orthopedic surgeons Sen. John Barrasso and Rep. Tom Price). Of the 16, 12 represent districts or states in the South (three are from Louisiana); 12 are Republicans and four are Democrats.[20]
  • Three nurses (Reps. Carolyn McCarthy, Lois Capps, and Eddie Bernice Johnson)
  • Two dentists (Reps. John Linder and Mike Simpson)
  • Two veterinarians (Rep. Kurt Schrader and Sen. John Ensign)
  • One psychologist (Rep. Brian Baird), an optometrist (Rep. John Boozman), a clinical dietician (Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper), and a pharmacist (Rep. Robert Marion Berry);

  • Nine members were involved with agriculture: Three organic farmers (including Sen. Jon Tester and Rep. Mike Thompson), three ranchers, two vintners (Reps. George Radanovich and Mike Thompson), and a fruit orchard worker;

  • Seven members were involved in music, film, or sports, including two professional musicians and a semi-professional musician, a screenwriter, a documentary filmmaker, as well as a Baseball Hall of Fame pitcher (Sen. Jim Bunning) and a National Football League quarterback (Rep. Heath Shuler).

  • Five members are engineers (including Reps. Joe Barton, Cliff Stearns, Pete Stark).

  • Six members are scientists: three physicists (Reps. Rush Holt, Bill Foster, and Vern Ehlers),[21] a chemist (Rep. Ed Pastor[22]), a microbiologist (Rep. Louise Slaughter), and a physiologist (Rep. Roscoe Bartlett).

  • Six members are former Automobile Dealers.

  • Six members worked in media: One radio talk show host, one radio/television broadcaster, one radio broadcaster, one newscaster, one television reporter, and one television commentator

  • Five members are former Peace Corps volunteers (Sen. Chris Dodd and Reps. Mike Honda, Sam Farr, Tom Petri, and Steve Driehaus)

  • Five members are former accountants (Rep. Mike Conaway)

  • Four members are ministers

  • Four members were sheriffs (Rep. Dave Reichert), one a deputy sheriff, four police officers (including a Capitol policeman), two state troopers (Rep. Kendrick Meek of the Florida Highway Patrol and Rep. Bart Stupak of the Michigan State Police), two probation officers, one FBI special agent, one Border Patrol chief, and one volunteer firefighter

  • Two members have served as members of the Cabinet (Sens. Lamar Alexander and Mike Johanns), three served as state supreme court justices (Rep. Lloyd Doggett, Sen. John Cornyn), and one each was Secretary of the Navy (Sen. Jim Webb), a United States Navy vice admiral, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, a Department of Defense counterterrorism consultant, an ambassador, and a federal judge (Alcee Hastings)

  • One member served as a parliamentary aide in the British House of Commons and one served as a Foreign Service Officer.

  • One member has been an astronaut, one a naval aviator, one a commander of a carrier battle group (Rep. Joe Sestak, a retired vice admiral and the highest-ranking former serviceman in Congress), two were instructors at West Point (Rep. Patrick Murphy)and (Rep. Thomas Rooney), and one a pilot of Marine One, the presidential helicopter

Many members have other professions:

  • There were three carpenters
  • two bank tellers
  • a driving instructor
  • a cosmetics saleswoman
  • a mountain guide
  • a ski instructor
  • a casino dealer
  • a night watchman
  • a prison guard
  • a furniture salesman
  • an ironworker (Rep. Stephen Lynch),
  • an autoworker
  • a clothing factory worker
  • a textile worker
  • an oilfield worker
  • a mortician
  • a coroner
  • a waitress (Rep. Shelley Berkley)
  • a Teamster and dairy worker
  • a paper mill worker (Rep. Mike Michaud)
  • a cement plant worker (Rep. Maurice Hinchey)
  • a meat cutter (Sen. Robert Byrd)
  • a shellfish specialist (Rep. Rob Wittman)
  • a tugboat captain (Rep. Don Young)
  • a taxicab driver
  • an auctioneer
  • a toll booth collector
  • and a hotel clerk.

Where is the "rest of life" as NDT asks? They're right there Neal.

May I humbly suggest that you go back to peforming science, since you're good at that, and stay out of politics, where you have no skills, have done no research, and have no apparent education.

[–]aijoe 0 points1 point ago

But asking that any of these professions be in congress is "like walking into a hospital and bitching that they only employ doctors and nurses." Right?

Your information is old as well. Bill Foster , scientist, is no longer there. Vern Ehlers, scientist, is no longer there. If NDT is to have an accurate point then scientists shouldn't be too outnumbered by lawyers. Can you post the ratio of current scientists to lawyers in Congress.

[–]clyde_taurus 0 points1 point ago

Do I look like your fucking research assistant, pal?

Google. It's a fucking concept. Go do your own goddamn research.

[–]aijoe 0 points1 point ago

Do I look like your fucking research assistant, pal?

No , thats why I had to already google it for you since you were incompetent at researching the current statistics. Its funny you can copy and paste all that data and but refuse to post the most massive representation because you know it will hurt your argument. My point in asking you was for you to take 3 seconds to ask google and see the results for yourself. The number is about 162 lawyers in the house vs 3 or 4 scientists. If NDT's point was to note the massive discrepancy in that ratio I think he has a point.

[–]unsubwithoutaccount 0 points1 point ago

A hospital isn't the house of commons. You live in a representative democracy yet are somehow arguing that it shouldn't represent a diverse spectrum of society? That's fucking dumb.

[–]imgonnacallyouretard -1 points0 points ago

I have proof that doctors perform medical tasks better than non-doctors. Do you have proof that lawyers write better legislation than non-lawyers?

[–]aijoe 0 points1 point ago

Can at least one of you individuals upvoting the parent comment support the analogy he is making? That a congress without rules about which professions can work there but are put there by votes is somehow analogous to a hospital where there are rules,regulations, and training requirements for those that work there?

[–]clyde_taurus -1 points0 points ago

No, they can't. All criticism of Neal deGrasse Tyson (PBUH) must be eliminated.

Tolerance and diversity!

[–]aijoe 0 points1 point ago

No, they can't.

We both know that but do they.

[–]personrev8 3 points4 points ago

They're too busy doing real work for a living.

[–]fudefite 1 point2 points ago

source?

[–]jdrvero 1 point2 points ago

What profession do all these scientists have? Biology, chemistry, physics....where are all the politicians? Where is the rest of life?

[–]ohshitimincollege 1 point2 points ago

They're smart enough not to go where they're clearly unwanted.

[–]fumblor 1 point2 points ago

DAE NDT?!?!?!

[–]smokyexe 1 point2 points ago

I don't think it works that way tho.

[–]ChaosBozz -1 points0 points ago

How could scientist or engineers help benefit Congress?

Congress may be shit right now but believe it or not the dummies in Congress are more qualified than any scientist.

[–]IAmA_Guy 0 points1 point ago

As a guy in a technical field, I don't buy that.

[–]Learned-Hand -2 points-1 points ago

And when they aren't, they authorize regulatory agencies to promulgate rules. The agencies are filled with experts in a specific field. But no, we need every profession represented in Congress. Where are the god damn retail brand reps?!

[–]SpaceAgeMoonWaffles 0 points1 point ago

I think it also may be that the general public sees people in Law and Business as more "responsible" and better able to run the country. Why? Law professionals understand the law, and business people understand money. In the mind of the average American, that is all that apparently is needed to run the country.

[–]IAmA_Guy -1 points0 points ago

Engineers are also highly efficient and knowledgeable about money. Getting the most bang for your buck is what engineers do for a living! People need to understand that.

[–]fudefite 0 points1 point ago

Sauce!. He actually makes a better point than the picture let on.

[–]psyon 0 points1 point ago

Do scientists and engineers want to get involved with politics? Is the issue that we aren't voting for them, or that they aren't running?

[–]crazyshadowdog 0 points1 point ago

I hate it when I can't make laws!

[–]praisecarcinoma 0 points1 point ago

I assume they're busy actually getting things accomplished and not worrying about politics.

[–]wookiesandwich 0 points1 point ago

i've been saying this forever...the whole idea of congress is that its supposed to represent the people of a region right? what percentage of the population do lawyers make up? and what percentage of the general population do you think identifies with the average lawyer? I sure as fuck don't

[–]Shawn_of_the_Dead 0 points1 point ago

By no means should the entire government be made up of scientists and engineers, but lately we've encountered several politicians who sit on committees related to science and technology who obviously know very little about science and technology, and in fact are obviously just there to detail the proceedings on account of their religious views. People on science committees who deny evolution and global warming and make horrific, ignorant statements regarding women's health, all the while quoting bible passages and generally expressing hostility toward the study of science. This makes absolutely no sense, and I think it could shake things up a bit to sprinkle in some actual scientists to help male those kinds of decisions.

[–]DagMT 0 points1 point ago

It's not the right setting for them. Engineers and scientists are bound by a set of ethics that pretty much precludes them from politics.

[–]kneeco28 0 points1 point ago

Tyson is awesome but he's objectively wrong on this one. They are making laws, it should be basically a prerequisite that they understand how laws work, are drafted, are interpreted, are applied, etc.

How bad would someone get flamed on reddit if they said "Why is everyone who works at NASA a scientist? Where are the priests, businessmen, etc?". That's the reaction Tyson should get.

[–]gmfrk8 0 points1 point ago

anyone is able to run for office. it's up to the people to vote for them. no one is stopping scientists from running or being elected.

[–]PeterMus 0 points1 point ago

It's been said about a million times. Compare the political leaders of the U.S and Japan for example.

[–]AdmiralDiarrhea 0 points1 point ago

I usually think people jerk-off NDT too much, but this is actually resounding insightful and painfully obvious at the same time. Lawmakers study laws, right? The laws are intended to make and defend rights, and govern (if you're not a Libertarian) the harvesting and allocation of resources which of course goes back the rights deal. So we're basically dealing with resources and rights. But in order to procure and transport and in turn, allocate resources we need science - engineering, biology, geology, etc. In order to understand fitting rights for all you'd need to understand sociology, history, or even biology and psychology e.g. if you don't understand the physical process by which all human brains work, you're bound to cater to one demographic or not give due diligence to another. One might retort with, "well you have to do this or this person had this/that degree before they went to law school so it's not like they solely study law." But you're not required to. Sociology, English, or business will help get into law school, but there is no set requirement across all schools aside from a Bachelors, the LSAT, etc.

The big problem will law is that which a few have pointed out in their comments that they are rather complex, require a certain language, and can be difficult to interpret so as they have universal effect and are sound and insulated against inconsistencies or other flaws. But why are they complex? Well partially for the reason stated above, because it's not as easy as "Do this and you can't do this", but also because then only those will good law schooling (all law degrees are not the same) and are savvy in business (for those making laws for businesses: hence the large lot of Republicans...) will be capable of dealing with and making these laws. It's like speaking in code. Most people's brains would start melting while trying to read various federal statutes or Supreme Court decisions. Hell, how many have read or understand the iTunes User Agreement? How many laws have been legally "sound", but were completely illogical or alienated a certain demographic (Jim Crow laws, 3/5 compromise, or "state's rights" which is often simply a way to be able to legally get away with things many other people would consider unacceptable). The industrial revolution barreled ahead without much regard to how citizens of the environment will be affected. The future will look at our current age in a similar light (provided there is one).

Returning to the first point/paragraph, making laws is a vehicle to a destination: not the destination itself. People deserve protection from discrimination. People deserve to eat. People deserve education. It is a form of communication of valid facts ideas (or supposedly known ideas for all the anti-science or nihilists out there). If there are no known valid facts or ideas or we replace them with not valid "facts" or ideas, the laws are communication of gibberish. It would still technically be "law" in the same way one might consider Rihanna technically "music", but having little or no value compared to lyrics that don't focus on promiscuity or a beat that is rehashed and repetitive. A less insulting example would be if I were to speak in a language only understood by my friends: it is technically language, but it's not applicable to all. A directly pertinent example is if a lawmaker is making a law that directly affects a prairie, it wouldn't be unreasonable for that person to have considerable knowledge of the prairie biome or be bound by demonstrated scientific facts about said prairie. There will be people chanting, "but there are lobbyists, committees, subcommittees, etc", but they only advise and educate: lawmakers can ultimately saw "fuck you" the people of this area want this (which may only be a fraction of the prairie) or this or that statute allows me to do this. If it's in the interest of those in power and the committees and subcommittees then it's mostly likely going to end up as law. As it stands, there are bazillion ways to legally get around existing laws too. That's why many regulations on wall street have failed to bring the people to justice. You've got two sides people at the top speaking a language very few have full access to or understand.

The quote "Fucking right? As a criminology student I get offended everytime I'm not allowed to perform heart surgery on someone." actually conversely better applies to law. As demonstrated, people in law are often making laws on subjects or for people they know little or nothing about and if they do, they are ultimately allowed to ignore or diminish that input if they find a way to do so.

Yes, there are no laws preventing doctors or engineers from running for office, as stated they don't possess the savvy or knowledge of the said language nor do they have the money to make it available to the public (if they could even understand it then). And a law isn't a fucking law of physics. It's often calling the red crayon "red" as undoubtedly the only way to perceive that said color (it might be closer to brick red, rose, depending on the brand, etc).

Again, these lawmakers that have advisors, heads of specific departments, ARE NOT BOUND BY SCIENCE when making decisions; they'll make what they or their constituents deem fit. Some might say that's freedom, but someone else's freedom (or freedom to be ignorant) shouldn't infringe on my freedom whether that be to have equal access to resources, rights or transportation. Many laws, especially ones involving environmental ones (or rather the ones that ignore the environment), infringe on others freedoms, but are legally sound with the full education of a law or business degree.

I saw we restrict the "freedom" of those running for office for them to not merely be "advised" in a given topic, but have the inherent knowledge themselves. The "lawmakers" should have more of a supportive role in tell these people who understand better the facts and people how to create a binding language that applies to and is understood by all. You have to take specific tests for most positions, and I believe there should be a comparable test spanning a variety of subjects such as medicine, biology, engineering, climatology, business, and law in order for one to hold elected office (especially executive positions).

If we are to continue with a representative democracy, let us have people worth representing us.

[–]Sasur 0 points1 point ago

At least they are not sportsmens and actors

[–]Toxin197 1 point2 points ago

Scientists are smart enough to avoid politics.

[–]DivinusVox 1 point2 points ago

Then they're not allowed to bitch when they don't get government funding for their projects.

[–]rramzi 0 points1 point ago

Not sure how this is funny? It's kinda of upsetting when you think about it.

[–]pegasus_527 0 points1 point ago

I wish my country had a science party.

[–]cycopl 0 points1 point ago

Scientists and engineers are too smart to become politicians.

[–]G00BY_PLS 0 points1 point ago

came to post this.

[–]Valendr0s -3 points-2 points ago

I honestly think the best thing to do is have one part of the government be filled only with normal people.

The House of Representatives should be changed into a lottery-only affair. 5 registered voters are chosen at random from each district - similar to jury duty. Those 5 people come before their constituents and make their case. The people vote on a single winner. That winner is that district's representative for the next 2 years. After 1 term they are unable to run again. 5 new candidates are chosen via lottery.

You can opt out if you like, but I think most people would see it as a way to serve their community. I believe in the overall goodness of people. I think that most people have good moral centers and can be trusted to continue that upstanding character for 2 years in office. I think most people would recognize and turn down bribes.


We should also reduce the district sizes so they are 1 rep for no more than 50,000 people. This would turn our congress from 435 house members into about 7000.

This would ensure that people all walks of life are represented. Real people with real problems. We choose 5 and vote for the favorite so you can not have quite as many crazies in there - but you might get an occasional crazy to represent you.

If enough crazies are in there, you might get some really strange laws passed. But that's what the Senate, President and SCOTUS are for (the senate should be chosen by the states - the 17th amendment never sat well with me).

[–]Desinis 1 point2 points ago

This would also require a massive pay cut to government offices, which would also be hugely beneficial. There are too many greedy, corrupt businessmen that run this country at the moment.

[–]Valendr0s 0 points1 point ago

It would increase the overall budget quite a bit. Every representative would need some assistance in reading and interpreting the laws, and following the procedures of congress.

Each would need a small staff to assist them in their daily affairs. Also you would at least have to pay them enough to continue to provide for their family. Say double median income.

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[–]Valendr0s 0 points1 point ago

Exactly (although in the opposite way you mean). This idea that you have to have a two party system because otherwise you can't get anything done is false.

You get many fewer partisan bills though. Much less controversial bills passed. The things you pass are things that are more what government is supposed to do - small changes, tweaks to the system, small additions. You won't be seeing these budgets pass that fundamentally re-define the nature of government.

[–]mooktank 0 points1 point ago

I like this idea a lot actually.

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[–]Valendr0s 1 point2 points ago

“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

  • Douglas Adams

[–]unsubwithoutaccount 1 point2 points ago

Lawyers are leeches. The only reason they're needed is because they've created their own need.

[–]Valendr0s 0 points1 point ago

Those who desire power are least suited to wield it.

So how do you resolve this? You must find people who do not desire power, and limit the power they have with strict term limits, anti-graft laws and dilution in numbers.

Imagine having to bribe 1000 congressmen instead of a few dozen. They'll be much more chance somebody will talk. And your power to influence any vote will be drastically reduced.

[–]kratistos -2 points-1 points ago

/r/circlejerk troll? I sure hope so.

[–]radius55 -3 points-2 points ago

You're talking about a technocracy. The idea will killed by a combination of the Great Depression and FDR.

[–]pendot 2 points3 points ago

The heavy ties to fascism didn't help.

[–]deadeight 0 points1 point ago

He's not talking about a technocracy. If some senators/congressmen used to be doctors that's not the same as the doctors being in charge of health stuff.