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[–]Maestor 20 points21 points ago

If you have more of this, I would love to see it!

[–]Adan714 38 points39 points ago

http://artofwar.ru/n/nemenow_a_e/an05.shtml - you got it.

http://pravdoiskatel77.livejournal.com/3741039.html

First war in Chechnya. 1994-1995.

NSFW!!! Some photos of dead bodies, gore etc (not much, though).

[–]QuetzalcoatlCultureS 14 points15 points ago

On the ninth day in the location of our troops out Captain Eugene Surnin with him six soldiers - all that remains of an infantry battalion.

Jesus christ.

[–]Adan714 21 points22 points ago

What was horrible and strange war, much worse than Soviet-Afghan war.

Worse for russian troops. And I know about soviet war crimes in Afghanistan and about killing thousands of innocent peoples.

But war operations in Afghan was even though well-planned. First war in Chechnya was full of total idiotic chaos. Like moving tanks into city without support, etc.

[–]SuperLemonz 14 points15 points ago

I've done a couple research papers on the wars in Chechnya. Each time, I get horribly depressed. So many horrible things...

[–]Adan714 5 points6 points ago

I read only Wiki. I am afraid reading memoirs. I had huge chance to go into Chechnya, buy avoid it.

About depression. I read today about Jonestown, was REALLY shocked. Photos with all that poisoned peoples pierced through my thick skin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Bodies_at_Jonestown.jpg http://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/rzr48/a_so_called_religious_revolutionary_suicide_the/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

[–]fernguts 1 point2 points ago

Incredibly creepy is the Jonestown death tape that was recorded just before and during the poison drinking. It gets more and more quiet towards the end, as people were dying. You can tell by his voice how high he was at the time, and the whole thing is made even more chilling by the fact that it was recorded over a previous recording of gospel music. You can still hear the music faintly in the background.

Imagine no religion.

[–]Adan714 10 points11 points ago

Yes, I saw links to that tape, I am scary to hear that.

I dont' need to imagine that, I lived in atheistic USSR, where religion was nearly prohibited. Almost all churches was closed, a lot churches and temples destroyed. I don't like it. Now we have orthodox church with high priests so full of hate, intolerance, impudence and lie, that I am sick of it. But I love our temples and churches that is now renowating.

I prefer world with humanistic, free of any hate, humble, decentralised religion, and you free to believe or not.

[–]poli_ticks 2 points3 points ago

The Jonestown cult was actually a bunch of Christian Communists. They were in South America to establish a Christian commune, and to get away from what they viewed as an evil and flawed (imperialistic, materialist, consumerist, greed-driven) American society.

What happened is that friends and relatives of some of the members prevailed on a US congressman to lead an investigating party down to Jonestown. Apparently some of the members were afraid that this was the advance party of a US government effort to crush their movement, so they assassinated the Congressman, along with 4-5 other people in his party.

At this point it's a foregone conclusion that the CIA or the US military or somebody is going to come down there for them, so they opted for mass-suicide. So, rather than a straightforward "crazy death cult" event, this actually has some commonality with cases where people chose to kill themselves when faced with inevitable defeat by a hated enemy. E.g. the Jewish zealots in Masada, for instance.

[–]Gotitgoinbossanova 2 points3 points ago

Wasn't Jim Jones Atheist? People would just find another stupid reason to kill each other if there were no religion anyways...

[–]BabyWookie 2 points3 points ago

90's Russia was full of "total idiotic chaos".

The First Chechen War, was the nastiest kind of war - a civil war. You had the gutted, rotten, decapitated, demoralized, under-strength, battle-unworthy, hungry corpse of the Soviet Army, going up against Soviet people. A lot of Chechis' commanders were former Soviet officers and their fighters had served in the Soviet Army, including many battle-hardened Afghan vets. They were going up against hungry, poorly equipped and trained 18 yo conscripts from rural Russia. When the Soviet Army first left Chechnya in 1991, they left the Chechis a huge stock-pile of arms, mostly importantly, about 100,000 RPG-7 warheads.

[–]Adan714 0 points1 point ago

Блять, хули ты до меня доебался, хуесос?

Я и так это все знаю.

[–]Arab81253 2 points3 points ago

Right? I cannot imagine my battalion with only six people left, there's hundreds of us.

[–]Maestor 2 points3 points ago

Thank you. Those are some interesting photographs, and they do not hide the dark side of war...

[–]mitchmatch1 1 point2 points ago

Can someone please explain the pictures with people lying half under the armored vehicles? Were they ran over, died and placed there, resting?

[–]Adan714 0 points1 point ago

Give me pls direct link to that photo.

[–]Adan714 1 point2 points ago

First one may be wounded, second one was from vehicle crew, and russian soldiers on third photos was inside that blowed vehicle.

[–]varietygamer[S] 3 points4 points ago

I'm afraid not, took me a while to find this gem (if you can call it that in this context). I also don't know what missile system this is.

[–]Adan714 0 points1 point ago

I think it's only two rockets, launched of Uragan, descendants of legendary "Katyusha" (Stalin's organ).

upd: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Katyusha-chechen-war.jpg - see the picture name

[–]odoyle489 42 points43 points ago

That would be unbearably frightening.

[–]SCARfaceRUSH 8 points9 points ago

There's also a terrifying video, which I watch from time to time, because it simply reminds me of how war is really horrific - it's really emotional.

It's about Maikop brigade during the assault on Grozniy (the capital of Chechnya). The brigade was completely wiped - according to Wiki they lost 22 tanks, 45 BMPs, 37 other vehicles and 6 AA Tunguska cannons. Most of them died there, including their commander colonel Savin. They were fighting till their last drop.

The video includes the audio of the last hours of Savin's life - his communication with HQ. It's so shocking to hear all of that: how they speak about casualties: "OK, they're not coming for you, because they have all burned in those vehicles" - "Roger." - in the most calm and normal voices (with a hint of tension).

Stuff like this makes you become a pacifist - any kind of war, even, supposedly for the right cause is wrong. Your dead comrades won't give a flying fuck that you have won, because they're dead.

EDIT: video

[–]fatfreemilk 1 point2 points ago

Link to video?

[–]SCARfaceRUSH 1 point2 points ago

Sorry, forgot to to put the link in - here it is. It's in Russian and has some music overlayed, so the quality might not be too good - some of the footage was taken from the Islamic fighters - they liked to film what they did to the Russians

[–]BabyWookie 1 point2 points ago

For more of a Russian perspective, check out Alexanr Nevzorov's "Hell" report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjqflrksG0g

I also love the film that he made after his experiences reporting from the War, Chistilische (The Purgatory): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha9nJubRlrE

Truly one of the most hellish, gritty war movies ever made.

[–]SCARfaceRUSH 1 point2 points ago

thanks for the great links - haven't heard of this movie before! Definitely going to check it out ASAP!

[–]Camshaft115 6 points7 points ago

Three of my uncles died in Chechnya, great picture anyways.

[–]soal1 3 points4 points ago

Does anyone know what armament they're using?

[–]Adan714 1 point2 points ago

something like BM-27 Uragan

[–]thexbreak 3 points4 points ago

I read One Soldier's War by Arkady Babchenko. About his involvement in both Chechen Wars. One of the most terrifying and depressing books I ever read.

[–]Adan714 2 points3 points ago

Didn't knew it was translated. Found it on IRC, add it to our huge russian pirate library.

[–]thexbreak 0 points1 point ago

I just picked it up on amazon a few months back.

[–]Adan714 2 points3 points ago

sigh Like most of russians, I am thief of digital media - books, music, movies, series - I stole everything. (I know it's bad).

[–]thexbreak 0 points1 point ago

I only buy books so I can leave them on the shelf and look intelligent.

[–]Adan714 2 points3 points ago

Ahahaha... : ) I see! All my life I lived with a books. My mom bought tons of it, in USSR it was very good taste.

When she died, I moved most of books into my dacha (summer cottage hut).

Now I have only two books in my house - Sony 505 and Amazon Kindle. Now I want to look brutal. And I can talk about everything, I read so much books, that I am tired of it.

Also, my flat is small, I don't have much place for hundred of books I had.

[–]Mythrilfan 2 points3 points ago

I have slight doubts about this picture. Because as far as I can see, there's no reason for a ballistic missile's engine to burn through the whole of the flight. Therefore I'm either missing something big, that's not a missile or it's a partially fabricated image.

The Russians did attack Grozny with missiles though, and it wasn't pretty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny_ballistic_missile_attack

[–]Gildish_Chambino 5 points6 points ago

Could it be possible that it isn't a ballistic missile? Perhaps something shorter range.

[–]redscare37 1 point2 points ago

It was probably an SS-21, a Scud, or some other kind of short-range ballistic missile. Its way too high for an artillery missile like something from a BM-21 Grad.

[–]Gildish_Chambino -1 points0 points ago

True, true, true...

[–]phill0 2 points3 points ago

This actually looks like a decoy flare from a helicopter, which makes sense since the photo was obviously taken form another one. It's just that the trajectory coincides with the explosion because of the perspective and it looks as if it's a missile.

[–]lenolaj 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, probably that's a flare or rocket fired from a helicopter.

[–]eidetic 1 point2 points ago

You are indeed missing something big. As Gildish Chambino suggests, there's tons of other missiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-27

It's probably something like that, or very similar.

It's also entirely possible that these are air launched missiles launched from an unseen and out of frame aircraft.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I am unsure about the authenticity too, but only because the lighting looks a little off.

At any rate, a ballistic missile travels quite quickly through the atmosphere (Mach 20+), so even if they don't have a rocket engine burning, they can create a trail such as this. However, you are right that an ICBM-style missile does not have a rocket motor burning at this point in their flight path. At this stage in the flight, the warhead has detached from the launch vehicle and re-enters on its own. Most modern ICBM's have multiple warheads that ride up on the same launch vehicle. At apogee, these warheads drop off and orient themselves to different targets. This type of weapon is also called 'MIRV', for Multiple Independently targetable Re-entry Vehicle. I was just looking for a pic of this for you, and stumbled on this great site which has many photos.

[–]Mythrilfan 0 points1 point ago

Most certainly, but this isn't that kind of a ballistic missile. Probably something like this, at most something like this. Either way, they don't exit the atmosphere.

Very cool site though.

[–]lols 0 points1 point ago

Maybe they used the fireworks variety of missile.

[–]Pecanpig 1 point2 points ago

And that's why messing with the Russian army tends to be a bad idea.

[–]lenolaj -1 points0 points ago

Well, the Chechens managed to defeat the Russians in the first chechen war (The Russians returned though and managed to conquer them (Putin knew that allowing Chechnya to break permanently would set a bad example, also he wanted to avenge the humiliation of 1996), but that wasn't a cakewalk either.

[–]Pecanpig 1 point2 points ago

I'm not saying the Russians came off well from that, but all it takes is a look at Chechnya to see who came off worse.

You never get in a war with Russia and walk away without a massive limp.

[–]BabyWookie 1 point2 points ago

The Chechis managed shit. They never defeated my ragged, hungry, under-trained, under-equipped and incompetently-led brothers. The War was ended because it became a political liability. The Summer 1996 rebel re-capture of Grozny was a sham, set up by treasonous Russian politicians, who lured the core of the military's forces out of the city on a "false flag" operation in the mountains and let the Chechis "gloriously" re-capture it, betraying and sacrificing many of their own countrymen for political reasons. Also, they fought us at our worst, just like the Fritz had during Barbarossa, right after the Georgian faggot Dzugashvilli had decapitated our military. In the mid-90's, we were gutted and decapitated due to the economical and socio-political situation.

We never lost in Afghan either. The Poliburo never committed enough forces (107,000 troops at peak - less that 5% of total Soviet military strength) for that war effort and we were constantly forced to play "whack-a-mole" with the Dushmans, who were trained and equipped by the US, the Brits, the Chinks and the A-rabs, and had complete safe heaven as soon as they ran across the Paki border. They were completely off limits to us in Fudgepakistan. We should have worked with the Indians and destroyed that shitty abomination of a country once and for all, using nukes back then. Would have saved the US the current and future trouble too...

We rode out of Afghanistan, as victors, right after Operation Magistral, in which we had completely raped the Islamic goat-fuckers one last time.

I laugh every time that Americans bring up us getting defeated by Stinger-armed mountain monkeys. Charlie Wilson's War... LOL! We lost more aircraft the year before the Stringers were introduced, for fuck's sake!

[–]KCbizzy 0 points1 point ago

Links in comments are nuts