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[–]SlightlySlizzed 2120 points2121 points ago

This photo was taken September 18, 2012. Here is the original photographer.

Edit: With that being said, they are still guarding the tomb today(picture from facebook page)

imgur, thanks SpicyLikePepper for finding that.

[–]SpicyLikePepper 369 points370 points ago

Thank you. I'm sad I had to look this far down to find this. Here is a picture from today

Edit: I'm happy that my parent comment has made it further up!

[–]BagelMaster 106 points107 points ago

This needs more upvotes. Although I believe a more recent photo has been published by the Old Guard.

Via NPR: http://n.pr/V0n80N

[–]ologies 34 points35 points ago

Thank you! People have been posting shots from Day After Tomorrow along with this one to fit the weather. The Old Guard also responded to this photo on Twitter.

[–]turb1d 205 points206 points ago

It appears that there are secondary measures to actually standing in the rain which include under a tent and in an enclosed marble room as the weather becomes more inclement. They still maintain watch, however:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/26/tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-defies-hurricane-irene-stays-open.html

[–]dyoni 25 points26 points ago

Thanks! That makes it sound much more reasonable. Hope they're doing okay.

[–]Kwerti 38 points39 points ago

Looks like you just managed to debunk most everyone's comments on this entire thread. Nice job.

[–]J_Mallory 47 points48 points ago

The contingency plans have never been actually implemented.

[–]Kwerti 25 points26 points ago

Well I'm specifically referring to the quote:

Still, safety will be a top priority for the cemetery. “We’re not putting a soldier’s life at risk,” Miller said.

Which conflicts with all the people in this thread saying how the soldiers are ready to die to continue the march. Well, they might be ready to die, but their commanding officer obviously realizes that the tomb can be guarded under shelter.

[–]HookDragger 14 points15 points ago

If I remember correctly... one of the few times the commander of the soldiers ordered them to their secondary positions, he personally took guard outside.

He may not risk their lives... but the commander has been known to risk his own.

[–]MadLintElf 2284 points2285 points ago

During previous hurricanes the Soldiers were told to abandon their posts by the president of the US. They respectfully refused the order and said they would be here no matter what.

If you have never been to Arlington Cemetery, it's worth the trip.

Edit: thanks to other knowledgeable redditors I understand it was not a presidential order, it was just a presidential suggestion that they can abandon. The soldiers still declined and the president was still impressed.

[–]songkran 441 points442 points ago

Is that one of those things were the President gives the order knowing full well they'll decline because that's the way it's always been done?

[–]Viviparous 230 points231 points ago

It's kinda like: would you want to be that guy who messes up almost 100 consecutive years of tradition?

[–]DJ_Epilepsy 253 points254 points ago

Yes.

[–]tanzorbarbarian 130 points131 points ago

He gave the order because being out in that weather was extremely dangerous and he was trying to give them relief. They didn't want to, though, and declined a direct order from the commander in chief so that they could continue guarding their fallen comrade.

That being said, the President didn't really give an order. That was just an embellishment added when this story started making the email rounds.

[–]trashedtalker 23 points24 points ago

Question, are they literally guarding that tomb - such as if I were to roll up and try to tag it with graffiti I would get shot/stabbed with those bayonettes?

EDIT: I do not intend to tag the tomb, I was merely curious.

TL;DR They will fuck your shit up if you try to mess with the tomb.

[–]tanzorbarbarian 62 points63 points ago

It's more symbolic than anything, but if you try to deface the tomb they'd most certainly beat the everloving shit out of you without a second thought.

[–]mayor_of_cwcville 10 points11 points ago

My understanding is that the guards would keep you away from the tomb and the DC/Capitol police would arrest you.

[–]tanzorbarbarian 15 points16 points ago

Yeah, I was exaggerating a bit with the beating. They take their duty seriously, though. That's no doubt.

A small compilation

[–]Brian_Jacques 6 points7 points ago

I'm not sure they would actually shoot you because of PR but they are no shit guards that will respond to threats against the tomb and enforce the rules. there are some pretty awesome videos of these guys yelling at disrespectful people.

I also thought I read somewhere that the weapons are actually loaded but I can't remember where

Edit: Turns out they are not loaded. Classic

[–]mean_burrito 1744 points1745 points ago

My brother was a tomb guard at Arlington Cemetery. Pretty amazing stuff required of them other than standing outside in the rain. I am sure I could get him to do an AMA on his experience if there is enough interest (and doesn't go against any military rules). I'll gauge the response here.

[–]Jophus 776 points777 points ago

Ask him to please

[–]ManiacalGringo 558 points559 points ago

...AND HE WILL PLEASE.

[–]mdiggity 130 points131 points ago

Respectfully, of course.

[–]MILFHunterHearstHelm 179 points180 points ago

i dont get replies like this. of course people would want an ama and even if the say no, people are going to ask questions if you make a post

[–]anavrinman 83 points84 points ago

I used to work MWR over at Ft. Myer. You 3rd inf fuckers are crazy - I mean that with the highest degree of respect possible.

Thank you for the awesomeness you guys do. Thank you for the service you provide to our fallen their and families.

[–]mean_burrito 37 points38 points ago

thanks for the constructive advice MILFHunterHearstHelm. Sorry, still a bit new to this, but will adjust my conduct accordingly in the future ;). I will ask him and see about organizing it.

[–]Mackinstyle 123 points124 points ago

Is it some sort of tradition for that to happen? Seems like even in good intentions, disobeying the Commander in Chief will get you in trouble.

[–]TrouserPudding 66 points67 points ago

disobeying the Commander in Chief will get you in trouble.

The OP worded this slightly wrong from my recollection of the last event.

They weren't ordered to abandon their post. They were given permission to do so.

[–]mewarmo990 4 points5 points ago

This is how I remember it too. It's like those situations where a commanding officer says, "I can't order you to do this, but..." because giving the order would place his soldiers' lives in unavoidable danger.

[–]Davecasa 43 points44 points ago

I've been told that during most bad weather (blizzards, hurricanes, whatever), the guard is told to abandon its post, and never has.

[–]MadLintElf 190 points191 points ago

Actually the president was so amazed at the level of dedication he visited them after the storm to show how much he appreciated it.

[–]Mackinstyle 78 points79 points ago

Absolutely. Not for a moment do I think that any reasonable person in the chain of command would be upset by that act. But isn't there still a level of discipline that must be maintained at all time? Unless it's tradition, isn't it problematic to start turning a blind eye to insubordination?

[–]Sartro 109 points110 points ago

I wouldn't be surprised if it was more of a formality. If one of them were to die at their post as a result of the hurricane, people would accuse the President of keeping soldiers in harm's way. This not only covers the Commander-in-Chief's ass (to some degree) but also serves as a way for the guards to re-affirm their devotion and badassery to their job, not that it's in question.

[–]Mackinstyle 21 points22 points ago

But they have their little canvas tent like in that video someone else linked. Clearly that's hurricane proof.

[–]My_ducks_sick 68 points69 points ago

Much like everywhere else in life, not doing exactly what you're told is possible in the military depending on who you are and how good you are at justifying your actions.

[–]Incruentus 35 points36 points ago

Although it's not like Hollywood and it is much harder to justify in real life. The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is one of those special cases.

[–]timothyrds 31 points32 points ago

My bet is that the president didn't give them an order, but more permission to abandon post.

[–]MadLintElf 88 points89 points ago

No, it's purely tradition, they would rather die on the post than abandon it.

Thus far it has never been problematic.

Take a look at this youtube video of the changing of the guard ceremony, it's amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZ-mkdp1H0

[–]Im-in-dublin 5 points6 points ago

Could someone explain to me what happened? He was inspecting everything on and in that rifle and soldier...to see if they were fit to stand guard? Am I right, wrong, or close?

[–]MadLintElf 6 points7 points ago

Inspection happens at every changing of the guard, it's part of the tradition. They clean the rifles and make sure they are dressed to code (no threads or lint).

They aim for perfection, and only accept perfection.

[–]lolmonger 21 points22 points ago

in the chain of command

As it happens, those who guard the Tomb wear no insignia/rank decorations and are 'outside' such a command so that they do not outrank in life the soldier whose remains they guard in death.

It is the single most solemn duty that exists in the U.S. military besides receiving and preparing for funeral the bodies of the dead.

[–]I_LEAVE_COMMENTS 4 points5 points ago

They didn't disobey any orders. That's why.

http://www.snopes.com/military/isabel.asp

[–]I_LEAVE_COMMENTS 8 points9 points ago

Which president was this? He very well may have visited them, but it wasn't because they disobeyed him. There are no TRUE stories of the honor guard disobeying orders to stay out in weather, as far as I know. They DO stay out in the weather, this is true, but they also have contingency plans for weather that would put the soldiers lives in extreme peril.

http://www.snopes.com/military/isabel.asp

[–]fishyman 17 points18 points ago

They are never ordered to leave their post, only given the option of doing so - which they always refuse. You are correct in assuming the refusing a direct order from the Commander in Chief will get you in trouble.

[–]buildingwithclay 703 points704 points ago

That's amazingly dedicated and awesome.

[–]Grilled_Meats 478 points479 points ago

You're dead, and in the ground. No one knows who you are, and anyone who ever knew your name died a century ago.

You're still a brother in arms. No family or friends knowingly come to visit you. The 3rd Infantry Regiment unwaveringly keeps constant watch over you.

It's symbolically and poetically critical that a soldier always be there to keep watch. In this day and age of mega-convenience, it's nice that there are still institutions that we, as Americans, still honor and respect through our own trials and tribulations, man made or natural.

[–]MadLintElf 576 points577 points ago

I had the privilege to be at Arlington during the laying of the wreath ceremony. I'm a 46 year old man, and to see the rust marks from the 21 steps the guards take 24 hours a day just brought tears to my eyes.

If you can, please visit it. One of the most memorable experiences I've ever had.

[–]Mrpagoda 108 points109 points ago

rust marks?

[–]f1nnbar 246 points247 points ago

The guards' shoes have steel plates built into the heel and on the sides of the heel (creating the distinctive hard clacking when they march and turn).

[–]Dawnless 79 points80 points ago

[–]Virian 18 points19 points ago

From the comments section: The Sergeant of the Guard in this video is SSG Adam Dickmyer. SSG Dickmyer was KIA in Kanda-har, Afghanistahn October 28th 2010. His tomb badge number is 528.

[–]LVDave 48 points49 points ago

I'm a 62 y/o Vietnam vet, and visited the tomb in 2003.. I VERY rarely cry, but I certainly did at that time.. I'm not a bit surprised that they refused the "abandom you post" order by POTUS.. I'd have been disappointed if they hadn't refused it.. My vist was marred by some people talking in a loud voice during the ceremony. The people were counseled after the ceremony by one of the Arlington docents..

[–]lizzindc 15 points16 points ago

If they get disruptive enough, the guards council them as well. Happened the last time I brought friends there, the individuals making noise were justly ashamed.

[–]LOL_1Up 18 points19 points ago

I love that they have no trouble reprimanding the unruly within the ceremony as well.

[–]hotbreadz 5 points6 points ago

Whoa didn't know that went down, very interesting! Getting called out by one of them would have to be a pretty intense experience haha

[–]9001monkeys 6 points7 points ago

IT IS REQUESTED!!! - So formal/polite yet so direct and authoritative.

[–]ShellOilNigeria 218 points219 points ago

I've been three times.

I think everyone should go at least once. Especially if you are young or in your teens. It will give you respect and patriotism for the military more than you will ever know.

[–]spydereleven 84 points85 points ago

I'm Canadian, and got to visit Arlington. So much respect.

[–]MadLintElf 205 points206 points ago

While my son and I were there we watched the ceremony, then we went to visit famous grave sites. During our trek we got to witness the burial of a 4 star general, they had a howitzer using blank charges.

The look on both of our faces were priceless, my son and I were both in tears.

Amazing place.

[–]ShellOilNigeria 144 points145 points ago

Yes it's a very humbling experience.

Also Robert E. Lee's house is on the hill and is pretty awesome to stand in front of and look out onto the skyline of D.C. and think back to what everything would have looked like during the times of the civil war.

[–]Scaryclouds 243 points244 points ago

The building of Arlington cemetery on Robert E. Lee's residency was a deliberate and vindicitive choice to destroy the value of his property and to force him to see all the union dead. Im not condemning the action, I just find that fact fascinating.

[–]ephemeron0 39 points40 points ago

How Arlington National Cemetery Came to Be - Poole from Smithsonian Magazine.

Pretty decent article....learned a few new details.

[–]ShellOilNigeria 122 points123 points ago

To relieve the desperate situation, the Army started burying soldiers along the northern border of the Arlington estate, approximately one half mile from the mansion-headquarters, in May of 1864.[23]Meanwhile, the office of Quartermaster General Montgomery Meigs set about the task of identifying an appropriate place for a new, offical cemetery. Meigs did not have to look very far.

As the Army had occupied Arlington since 1861 and the U.S. Government had legally purchased the property at public auction in January 1864, it emerged as a logical choice. The fact that the land had also been the plantation home of Robert E. Lee probably made it even more attractive to Meigs, who formally proposed Arlington as the site of the new cemetery in a letter to Secretary of War Stanton on June 15, 1864. The same day, Stanton approved Meigs’ recommendation and instructed that part of the Arlington Estate, “not exceeding two hundred acres” be surveyed and laid out for the national cemetery.[24]

The Republican press hailed the choice of Arlington. On June 17, the National Republican reported:

The ‘powers that be’ have been induced to appropriate two hundred acres, immediately around the house of General Lee, on Arlington Heights, for the burial of soldiers dying in the army hospitals of this city. The grounds are undulating, handsomely adorned, and in very respect admirably fitted for the sacred purpose to which they have been dedicated. The people of the entire nation will one day, not very far distant, heartily thank the initiators of this movement…. This and the contraband establishment there are righteous uses of the estate of the rebel General Lee, and will never dishonor the spot made venerable by the occupation of Washington.[25]

Meigs likely appreciated the prediction that Americans would one day “heartily thank the initiators of this movement.” He viewed the creation of the cemetery as a means for restoring honor to the property, which he felt Lee had dishonored by resigning from the U.S. Army and leading the Confederate forces.

However, the Quartermaster General was not convinced that the cemetery was necessarily permanent, fearing that the end of the War might allow the Lees to resume control over Arlington and potentially remove the graves on the property. In hopes of preventing such from occurring, Meigs wanted to place graves as close to the mansion as possible. Doing so, he felt, would make the house uninhabitable. In his original proposal to Secretary Stanton, Meigs specified:

I have visited and inspected the grounds now used as a Cemetery upon the Arlington Estate. I recommend that interments in this ground be discontinued and that the land surrounding the Arlington Mansion, now understood to be the property of the United States, be appropriated as a National Cemetery, to be properly enclosed, laid out, and carefully preserved for that purpose, and that the bodies recently interred by removed to the National Cemetery thus to be established. The grounds about the Mansion are admirably adapted for such a use.[26]

Though Meigs’ initial proposal to Stanton and subsequent orders to officers at Arlington clearly spelled out the Quartermaster General’s intentions, the cemetery did not develop quite as he envisioned. At first, most of the burials were made some distance from the mansion. As Meigs recorded later, many of the officers quartered in the mansion were uncomfortable with the idea of living in the middle of a graveyard, "It was my intention to have begun the interments nearer the mansion, but opposition on the part of officers stationed at Arlington, some of whom used the mansion and who did not like to have the dead buried near them, caused the interments to be begun in the northeast corner of the grounds near Arlington road. On discovering this on a visit I gave specific instructions to make the burials near the mansion. They were then driven off by the same influence to the western portion of the grounds."[27]

Meigs continued to push the issue and, after considerable effort, finally got his wish. In August 1864, 26 bodies were buried along the perimeter of Mrs. Lee’s rose garden within a few yards of the mansion.[28] But, as evidenced by a December 1865 letter from one of Meigs’ assistants, the location of new graves remained a very important issue to the cemetery’s creator for some time to come as he sought to further solidify the cemetery’s roots at Arlington.

This letter, directed to Major General D.H. Rucker, the Chief Quartermaster of Washington read, in part: “The Quartermaster General….some time ago, expressed his regret, that the interments have not been made in close proximity to the Arlington House…. as to more firmly secure the grounds known as the National Cemetery, to the Government by rendering it undesirable as a future residence or homestead. There being more than a thousand interments yet to be made, the views of the Quartermaster General can now be carried out.”

To underscore the urgency and importance of burying the dead close to the house, the Assistant Quartermaster closed his letter by relaying the following story: “A brother of Genl. Lee (Smith Lee) in a recent visit to Arlington, remarked to the Superintendent, ‘that the house could still be made a pleasant residence, by fencing off the Cemetery, and removing the officers buried around the garden.’”[29]

Smith Lee’s appraisal obviously alarmed the Assistant Quartermaster and undoubtedly also Meigs himself. Both practically and symbolically, the possibility of Robert E. Lee and his family returning to the mansion on the hilltop at Arlington which literally looked down upon the capital city of the United States did not sit well with those in charge of creating the cemetery. To further ensure that this did not happen, Meigs ordered the construction of a tomb for unknown Civil War dead in the rose garden in April 1866. The remains of 2,111 unknown soldiers, recovered from battlefields in the vicinity of Washington, were sealed in the vault.[30] They joined some 15,000 other Civil War casualties who had already been laid to rest at Arlington.

As it turned out, the Lees would never return to live at Arlington again. Whether influenced by Meigs’ efforts to make the mansion uninhabitable or not, Robert E. Lee and his wife decided not to pursue regaining the title to the mansion after the War.[31] Instead, the former Confederate General and his family settled in Lexington, Virginia where he spent the last five years of his life as the President of tiny Washington College. While the family was later compensated for the estate, the Lees would never again reside on the property.[32] Meigs got his wish and the Cemetery became a permanent feature at Arlington.

References

[21] Herbert Mitgang, ed. Washington, D.C. In Lincoln’s Time: A Memoir of the Civil War Era by the Newspaperman Who Knew Lincoln Best by Noah Brooks (Athens, GA: University of Georgia Press, 1989), 16-17.

[22]Mitgang, 16-17.

[23] The grave of William Christman, a Private from the 67th Pennsylvania is the oldest military grave at Arlington. Christman was laid to rest on May 13, 1864.

[24] Letter, Sec. Edwin M. Stanton to Quartermaster Gen. Montgomery Meigs, June 15, 1864. Copy in Arlington House archives. Original at National Archives, Records of the War Department, Office of the Quartermaster General, National Cemeterial Files.

[25] National Republican, June 17, 1864

[26] Letter, Quartermaster Gen. Montgomery Meigs to Sec. Edwin M. Stanton, June 15, 1864. Copy in Arlington House archives. Original at National Archives, Records of the War Department, Office of the Quartermaster General, National Cemeterial Files.

[27] Memorandum, Quartermaster Gen. Montgomery Meigs, April 12, 1873. National Archives, RG 92: Records of the Office of the Quartermaster General, Records relating to functions: Cemeterial, 1829-1929. General correspondence and reports relating to national and post cemeteries (“Cemetery file”), 1865-c. 1914. Antietam, MD-Arlington, VA, Box 6, NM-81, Entry 576.

[28] James Edward Peters, Arlington National Cemetery: Shrine to America’s Heroes, 2nd ed. (Bethesda, MD: Woodbine House, 2000), 23.

[29] Letter, Col. J.M. Moore to Maj. Gen. D.H. Rucker, Dec. 11, 1865. National Archives, RG 92: Records of the Office of the Quartermaster General, Records relating to functions: cemeterial, 1829-1929. General correspondence and reports relating to national and post cemeteries (“Cemetery file”), 1865-c. 1914. Arlington, VA, Box 7, NM-81, Entry 576.

[30] Peters, 23.

[31] Peters, 28. According to Peters, the Lees’ decision not to pursue the title of the property was probably more influenced by Lee’s belief that to do so would heighten sectional hostilities and hamper the Reconstruction process, rather than concerns about the graves on the property.

[32] After Robert E. Lee and his wife died in the early 1870s, their oldest son, Custis Lee, brought suit against the U.S. Government in attempt to regain title to the estate. In 1882, the U.S. Supreme Court decided in Custis Lee’s favor. He was compensated $150,000 in exchange for the property, thereby ending any legal claim the Lees had on Arlington.

http://www.nps.gov/arho/historyculture/cemetery.htm

[–]fermenting_dregs 6 points7 points ago

This is why I have you RES tagged as "Warrior of Truth".

[–]joshuajargon 155 points156 points ago

Why is that a good thing? Just playing devil's advocate here...

edit: as a non-American it all just blows my mind a little. I upvoted the image, because it was powerful as fuck, but I'd like to understand it better.

[–]Hobo-With-A-Shotgun 529 points530 points ago

I'm not American either but, from my own interpretation, it's the upholding of an ideal. The ideal that there are people out there who will throw away their comfort & freedom so that others can go on and live; to go follow their dreams, make a family or whatever, in relative safety.

[–]AirborneSpoon 219 points220 points ago

American here, you are 100% correct.

[–]violynce 74 points75 points ago

I guess you already captured the essence of it, I would just like to add that there are Unknown Soldier memorials in pretty much every country that has been to a war. IMO, it goes less to patriotism and more so that we never forget about those who gave their lives in the terrible times of war.

I'm a pacifist and find patriotism very tricky, but I'm really fond of visiting Unknown Soldier monuments as they are quite emotional to me. Much more than the tomb of any important general or warlord.

[–]ihaveatebowner 151 points152 points ago

You would make a fine American, sir or madam.

EDIT: Oh! I see you've already brought your shotgun. Half way there, I suppose!

[–]ptahian 31 points32 points ago

As an American, I think you could add that it is our deeply held understanding that such dedication and willingness to defend our freedoms is: necessary. Freedom isn't free it is so very very costly.

[–]NonSequiturEdit 25 points26 points ago

It's a very sad truth that the often cavalier use of our military over the last half-century has greatly diluted that perception and scattered that meaning.

It is a very tricky and complex thing these days to state as fact that a soldier truly gave himself for our freedom. I'm sure somebody's freedom is being defended. They certainly serve the ideal, and their sacrifice no doubt still has meaning, but the meaning of it is much more complicated than any statement like "defending our freedom" can ever convey.

[–]lustre12 12 points13 points ago

As a veteran your comment satisfied, both, my honor in having served & the shame of not having been able to serve a better purpose.

Thank you.

edit: Perhaps "despair" would have been a better choice of words than "shame," since there is nothing I did during my service that I should feel ashamed about.

[–]Polite_Insults 80 points81 points ago

As a non american here I think i understand that these people guard this area for fallen soliders, to protect them in death where soliders protected people in life.

I may be wrong, thats what I get from the picture.

[–]Jawshee_pdx 134 points135 points ago

This is not just an American thing, many countries have these tombs. I don't know the history of each, but the dedication and perseverance of the guards that man them is amazing.

To show respect and love for unidentified KIA soldiers, these men will stand guard 24/7. Rain or shine. That is what makes it a good thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknown_Soldier

[–]astrogaijin 8 points9 points ago

When I was in Switzerland, I stumbled across this monument for the dead of WWI.

[–]anon_and_on 4 points5 points ago

Have you heard of the Menin Gate? The British take the unknown soldier very seriously.

The Menin Gate Memorial to the Missing is a war memorial in Ypres, Belgium dedicated to the British and Commonwealth soldiers who were killed in the Ypres Salient of World War I and whose graves are unknown.

Following the Menin Gate Memorial opening in 1927, the citizens of Ypres wanted to express their gratitude towards those who had given their lives for Belgium's freedom. As such, every evening at 20:00, buglers from the local fire brigade close the road which passes under the Memorial and sound the Last Post. Except for the occupation by the Germans in World War II when the daily ceremony was conducted at Brookwood Military Cemetery, in Surrey, England, this ceremony has been carried on uninterrupted since 2 July 1928. On the evening that Polish forces liberated Ypres in the Second World War, the ceremony was resumed at the Menin Gate despite the fact that heavy fighting was still taking place in other parts of the town.

[–]raitalin 43 points44 points ago

Maybe a lot of Europeans don't get this because they actually had to live through WWI & II and passed that experience on to the subsequent generations, creating a strong cynicism when it comes to matters of war. I'll try to explain:

Americans still, for the most part, rationalize, justify and glorify our armed conflicts. This tradition begins with the American Revolution, where we fought to gain our freedom and try a grand experiment in politics and society. It extends to the War of 1812, where we fought to secure our sovereignty and the U.S. Civil War where we fought for equality and unity. It even manages to paint the Spanish American War as one where we liberated Cuba and the Philippines from colonial rule.

The problem only gets worse when we're able to depict ourselves as the reluctant rescue team for senseless European conflict in The Great War, and there's no question that Wilson rode the high horse into Versailles (and was largely ignored).

WWII is probably most responsible for the contemporary U.S. perception of "just war". Once again we ride to the rescue and this time it would take a dastardly sneak attack to bring us reluctantly into yet another conflict. The Nazis and fascism are easily cast as thing with no redeeming value that any sane, caring, freedom-loving person would oppose. Hence, they and their Japanese compatriots have been killed without remorse or consideration in U.S. media since the end of WWII. Americans were so convinced of their moral righteousness after WWII that it was an easy feat to rationalize the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.

Most Americans, most of the time believe that our military fights for honorable goals. Since we rarely have to defend our physical homeland, we defend principles like free trade, human rights and democracy (as the principle that the people should influence their government). I'm not saying that this is necessarily correct, but that it is the popular perception.

Now, how would you want your children to see an armed force that did all of these amazing, heroic, and virtuous things? These men died not just for property or claims to power, but for ideas like freedom, liberty, equality, democracy and compassion. It's easy to venerate martyrs to such noble ideals.

[–]usedtowork 75 points76 points ago

it should be like the hajj for Americans before they become old enough to vote

[–]DogDay 96 points97 points ago

hajj: The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca that takes place in the last month of the year, and that all Muslims are expected to make at least once during their lifetime

[–]Quasid 118 points119 points ago

Also, the videos of people who won't shut the fuck up being put in their place makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

[–]somedudeinlosangeles 16 points17 points ago

Link?

[–]AmberHeartsDisney 23 points24 points ago

I didn't know they even spoke... I'm glad he yelled at them, it's sad people have no respect these days.

[–]JustPassingMyGas 2 points3 points ago

He shut them the fuck up. Awesome.

[–]disparate_vista 39 points40 points ago

The Sentinel's Creed

My dedication to this sacred duty is total and whole-hearted. In the responsibility bestowed on me never will I falter. And with dignity and perseverance my standard will remain perfection. Through the years of diligence and praise and the discomfort of the elements, I will walk my tour in humble reverence to the best of my ability. It is he who commands the respect I protect, his bravery that made us so proud. Surrounded by well meaning crowds by day, alone in the thoughtful peace of night, this soldier will in honored glory rest under my eternal vigilance.

EDIT for context This is the creed of the members of The Old Guard that stand watch over the Tomb of the Unknowns. Some of reddit may appreciate it's lack of reference to god. A unique, moving place of remembrance that affects both passivists and non-passivists with equal depth, in my experience.

[–]vorbote 46 points47 points ago

But it's somewhat contrary to the rationalism most reddit posters endorse.

[–]scouser916 169 points170 points ago

But it's somewhat contrary to the rationalism most reddit posters claim to endorse.

There's nothing rational about this place or the people that post here

[–]HRHPrince 57 points58 points ago

I went to Arlington this summer.

It was hot. I was carrying too much shit. Sweating balls.

When I finally got up to see the Tomb of the Unknown,

Totally worth it.

EDIT: I was sort of a spur of the moment thing. I was trying to head to a gaming tournament so I had a 20lb fightstick in my backpack, along with a full fuckin suit I just got tailored shoved into the same backpack. I was an idiot and thought "Hey, Arlington's this stop! I'ma check it out!".

[–]mbrowne 16 points17 points ago

It is definitely worth the visit. I visited from the UK in August 1984, and watching the guard march his route in the blazing heat without a drop of sweat on him was incredible. He was obviously completely focused on his task.

[–]eternauta3k 45 points46 points ago

Do they choose guards who don't sweat? I don't think you can 'will away' sweating.

[–]hkdharmon 60 points61 points ago

TIL Arlington guards are Aes Sedai.

[–]Bzerker01 7 points8 points ago

It's one of the highest honors you can get in the U.S. Armed Services. It requires you exemplify all aspects of the U.S. Military. This is a good video describing a bit of their responsibilities and whats involved (Just from a random Google search). I have been lucky to see the changing of the guard 3 times on all 3 visits to Arlington, its something that both awe inspiring and moving.

[–]bobafoote 4 points5 points ago

You can become conditioned though.

[–]VikingCoder 20 points21 points ago

A citation would be great - I'd love to share this story.

Clarification: I'd love a citation of the claim that the President ordered them to abandon their posts, and they did not.

[–]Kavalan0711 34 points35 points ago

This covers it pretty well and sets the story straight. http://www.snopes.com/military/isabel.asp

[–]MadLintElf 8 points9 points ago

This is what I'm finding on Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknown_Soldier

They have lot's of tombs around the world, not sure of the level of dedication for other countries. I have been there and it's amazing, you can feel the dedication.

[–]darkly39r 44 points45 points ago

Is Arlington Cemetery where you find the shrine to Abe Lincoln in Fallout 3?

[–]pixiethecat 48 points49 points ago

That would be the Lincoln Memorial

[–]darkly39r 81 points82 points ago

Nonono, in Arlington Cemetery you can find a picture of Abe with candles and flowers around it, with a bobblehead nearby.

[–]DaSaladMan 22 points23 points ago

240p....we meet again.

[–]hiimbrooke 5 points6 points ago

Hahaha that's hilarious. An Abe Lincoln shrine in Robert E Lee's house...

[–]HerpingtonDerpDerp 9 points10 points ago

Which was ironic, since General Lee fought against the Union (and Lincoln).

[–]DocDerry 40 points41 points ago

The Union confiscated his property and turned it into Arlington.

[–]KUARCE 23 points24 points ago

Yeah, but he had a tough time of it. He chose his State over the Union, despite his personal feelings on the situation and despite being asked by Lincoln to serve as commander for the Union army.

[–]Pollo_Bueno 14 points15 points ago

General Lee wanted to preserve the Union and Lincoln even offered him command of the Union armies, he chose to stay with Virginia when they seceded in 1861

[–]ragingcnu[S] 1091 points1092 points ago

As I originally found this from a third party (I didn't take the photo), I think I found the source: KL Markert (photographer), credit where credit is due

[–]SlightlySlizzed 363 points364 points ago

This photo was taken September 18, 2012. Here is the original photographer.

[–]Jewtheist 119 points120 points ago

Twitter Proof. Thank you. I was surprised that no one had pointed out the disclaimer that this photo is not from the current hurricane. Not that it changes much about the significance of the photo and what it represents.

[–]lazydictionary 49 points50 points ago

Put this in your comment so people know where to go, and actually give him traffic, instead of just a name.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/25447106_rRDwDr#!i=2095531119&k=3CPgS4d

[–]Allaphon 135 points136 points ago

what in the everliving fuck is going on here?

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People are really into this story. It is all over my facebook feed.

[–]matt01ss 439 points440 points ago

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[–]NotAPro 356 points357 points ago

Ha! I get it. It's a portmanteau of the words credit and Reddit since the two share many of the same letters in similar arrangements.

[–]Flene 238 points239 points ago

LOL i am entertained!

[–]Reesch 111 points112 points ago

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[–]Sig486 77 points78 points ago

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[–]Kizaing 44 points45 points ago

Visited there once on a school trip (from Canada) they take that shit seriously. We were told not to talk or anything when we went to see the changing of the guard

[–]intensenerd 917 points918 points ago

See the wind can't blow them away because of their gigantic balls.

[–]Killadelphian 184 points185 points ago

They're made of steel to hold them down.

[–]Whats_a_narwhal 61 points62 points ago

But what if they rust!

[–]Killadelphian 190 points191 points ago

Stainless steel.

[–]Qurtys_Lyn 107 points108 points ago

Cajonium.

[–]Whats_a_narwhal 40 points41 points ago

Aw sheit

[–]ragingcnu[S] 391 points392 points ago

This is the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery. The Tomb Guards maintain sentry of the area 24x7, and here is a video of one of them being a badass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mzTsCN7mNs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknowns

[–]Rodder22 246 points247 points ago

If I remember correctly, being a Tomb Guard is one of the most distinguished ranks among the military. The requirements to become one are insane.

[–]ragingcnu[S] 146 points147 points ago

Yeah that's what I hear, the wikipedia page says something like only 20% of applicants become accepted. I am local to to the area and had a chance to meet a Captain of a tomb guard detail. He was a great guy, as are they all EDIT: only a fraction of the 20% accepted become Guards, even more insane

[–]disco_biscuit 63 points64 points ago

I knew a guy on the Presidential Honor Guard... he said it was easier to get on the President's detail than it was become one of these guys.

[–]Pariel[!] 142 points143 points ago

Only a fraction of people are physically qualified. 5'10"-6'2" and a 30" waist. The training regimen is also intense. Every one deserves a high degree of respect.

[–]CzechThisOut 118 points119 points ago

[–]Chipocabra 45 points46 points ago

They're not allowed to fight or disgrace the tomb in any way? So what do they do if some arse/drunk shows up and becomes a nuisance or wants to fight?

[–]wax_dr_west 326 points327 points ago

they shoot them.

[–]NickWasHere09 101 points102 points ago

They yell at you for just speaking at the memorial, I wouldn't put it past them.

[–]spizzat2 155 points156 points ago

And you listen! They yelled at my eighth grade class because we weren't showing proper respect. No threats, not even a demand... "It is requested..." in a loud, booming voice directed at no one in particular, and we straightened up into little angels after that. It's awe-inspiring.

[–]The_Colonel1292 6 points7 points ago

well, i think i would be up to apply for it. extremely honorable.

[–]NavyGirlNuc 40 points41 points ago

I can remember a few years ago when I was living in the DC area and we had a massive winter storm...3 feet of snow over night I think it was, plus a few more as the day went on. They stayed out there, changing the guard every 15 minutes. That's probably what they'll do with the hurricane

[–]BeanyFrog 107 points108 points ago

Being from the UK, I'd heard of the tomb but had no idea that the guards were that, for want of a better word, awesome! I'm amazed at the level of training that they undergo to be a tomb guard and amazed at the level of dedication it takes for them to remain one! It's a beautiful way of remembering the fallen and I think it's a beautiful gesture/memorial. I'd like to visit one day.

[–]Panic661 174 points175 points ago

They will have the option to abandon their post. The last hurricane that hit, they were given the option and declined. They will decline this time around again. These men have taken vows that most of us could not adhere to.

[–]athennna 12 points13 points ago

According to Wikipedia, the post has not been abandoned since 1937, in any weather, for any reason. Incredible.

[–]socoamaretto 9 points10 points ago

You know how much shit they would get if they did abandon it?

[–]weltraumMonster 47 points48 points ago

the most awesome things are always just that tiny amount away from insane...

[–]MrTheBest 8 points9 points ago

Ah, but you know what they say: insanity, rhymes with perspective!

[–]listerialiberal 164 points165 points ago

My plans to steal the unknown soldier are foiled again!

[–]DjangoTrumpet 27 points28 points ago

Directed by Jon Turtletaub and starring Nicolas Cage.

[–]listerialiberal 9 points10 points ago

Surprisingly, Nicolas Cage's agent already contacted me via Reddit.

[–]holocarst 4 points5 points ago

DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!

It just fit too perfect as a National Treasure plot-device. "Have you never wondered why that marble block is guarded 24/7?" "Don't know maybe because [stupid joke made by comic-relief character]" "Bullshit, the [MacGuffin] is hidden in it"

[–]Gogglor 20 points21 points ago

I live in NoVA and my grandfather is buried at Arlington so I have been a couple of times. You can actually request to be part of a wreath laying ceremony at the tomb of the unkowns. It is a very very neat place and regardless of how you feel about the current military, there are a lot of soldiers there from all conflicts. Definitely worth checking out if you are ever in the DC area.

[–]WHlTETlGER 30 points31 points ago

I wouldn't want someone putting themselves in harms way protecting my grave.

[–]ProlapsedPineal 3 points4 points ago

These things we do so others never have to.

[–]mikeuniform1 3 points4 points ago

I participated in funerals at Arlington for 10 years. It is an amazing and emotionally touching place.

[–]THATwasSMART210 22 points23 points ago

This picture was taken in September.

[–]asian-sensation 24 points25 points ago

AMA Request: Guard of the Tomb of the Unknowns

[–]purdueable 17 points18 points ago

I see they have Bayonets.....hmmmmmmmmm

/joking

[–]pkj2558 18 points19 points ago

Not actually during Hurricane Sandy. This was taken in September http://mashable.com/2012/10/29/viral-soldier-pic-debunked/

[–]bejord3 2 points3 points ago

respect.. I would not be able to stand there... in rain, hurricane and what else.. omg

[–]Madworldz 3 points4 points ago

Badass level: More than you ever will be.

[–]MosquitoMan 4 points5 points ago

They are allowed to seek shelter when storms get bad enough. I'm sure during Sandy they will be allowed to. However, I doubt you'll be seeing any Tomb Guard abandoning their posts.

[–]Mange_Tout_Rodney 2 points3 points ago

[–]tyler23m 2 points3 points ago

This was taken in September.

[–]ArdellWood 8 points9 points ago

This might be a dumb question, but why does the tomb need to be guarded?

[–]jeanlucpikachu 13 points14 points ago

From September, according to the guard unit.

[–]scalz1 64 points65 points ago

[–]steakmane 4 points5 points ago

Why is this not at the top, Peta Pixel confirms as well

[–]DarknessFallsOverUs 6 points7 points ago

Because blind nationalism and karma.

[–]WendellX 28 points29 points ago

Not fake, but not from this storm. It was taken in September.

The power of the image remains.

[–]kids_with_guns 13 points14 points ago

Sorry if this hurts anyone but I think it's just stupid. Risking some men's lives just to keep a military protocol with no other reason than the protocol itself...

[–]frumpi 8 points9 points ago

Every movement they make is done in increments of 21.

there are 21 movements in the rifle check, 21 steps back and forth, 21 seconds of hesitation before walking back... alludes to the prestigious 21 gun salute.

[–]Rumbottlespelunker[!] 7 points8 points ago

Actual photo of Old Guard on duty durring hurricane sandy from their own facebook. Here is the accompanying text:

Spc. Brett Hyde, Tomb Sentinel, 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), keeps guard over the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier during Hurricane Sandy at Arlington National Cemetery, Va., Oct. 29, 2012. Hyde lives by the Sentinel's Creed which in part says “Through the years of diligence and praise and the discomfort of the elements, I will walk my tour in humble reverence to the best of my ability”. (U.S. Army Photo by Sgt. Jose A. Torres Jr.)

[–]EulersPhi 331 points332 points ago

Some of you in the comments are extremely ignorant. These guards will not go inside for anything. If they have to die protecting the tomb, they will. Get it through your head that these guards love their country more than their lives. You may think they're fools, but they're not going to leave.

Edit: It seems many of you don't think it's possible to love your country more than your lives. I'm not saying you should, but the least you can do (if you're American), is respect those who do.

[–]jalisama 307 points308 points ago

As a Canadian who has never been to this place: why do they need to guard the tomb? Is it because they are afraid people might desecrate it?

(Seriously, don't hate me for asking an innocent question, please, thank you, and sorry.)

Edit: Wow, I didn't think my little question would garner so many responses from so many different users! Thank you for everyone's input, it was enlightening and educating. You all pass Go and win $200 Monopoly money.

[–]unusedalias 402 points403 points ago

It's completely symbolic. To show that we stand guard even for the "unnamed" lost troops whose remains are never recovered. Think about during WW1 and WW2 how many people died overseas and their bodies were never found. This tomb represents them.

[–]nonomella 174 points175 points ago

It is heavily symbolic, but yes I suppose vandalism might be a risk (not in a hurrcane, though).

The need to guard the tomb, to never abandon it, is tied to the meaning of the tomb itself. After WWII, there were so many soliders whose remains could not identified. These people never got a proper funeral, a proper burial, they were unknown. They died for a nation who couldn't even thank them by name. So the tomb of the unknown solider was built - there is a body inside, an unknown man who died, who represents the entirety of men soldiers died and were never identified.

It is incredibly important to military personelle that the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier never be abandoned symbolically. It is a respect they owe to fellow soldiers, and a respect their fellow soldiers owe to them. Not even a hurricane will stop them from thanking the soliders who we can't thank by name - so the tomb will never be ungarded, not even in a hurricane.

In 2003, Hurricane Isabella was approaching DC. The president authorized the guards to abandon their posts and seek shelter. The guards on duty refused, making the personal choice to continue to guard the tomb even at great risk to themselves. They are not there because they are forced to remain there - they choose to stay because the tomb holds far greater meaning to them, as military members, and to the military as a whole.

[–]JUST_LOGGED_IN 8 points9 points ago

IIRC there are 3 tombs. One each from WW2, the Korean War, and the Vietnam war. The Vietnam soldier was identified by DNA evidence. The other 2 are unknown.

[–]Osiris32 17 points18 points ago

Four, WW1, WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. The Vietnam soldier was recently identified through DNA, yes, however the other three have not, and remain in their place of honor, as representatives of the countless thousands who have fallen nameless and faceless in defense of our country.

I'm not a flag-waving patriot, but damn of I don't get a little misty-eyed thinking about what the Tomb means.

[–]q1o2 6 points7 points ago

And you have to think about all the soldiers that have died, what kind of hell they went through. A hurricane is, in many ways, a lot less than what many of the soldiers had to endure.

[–]SirKeyboardCommando 82 points83 points ago

More to show honor to those that lost their lives in the military.

[–]workman161 47 points48 points ago

Out of respect. The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a monument to the soldiers lost and whose remains could never be identified.

[–]ativa2 102 points103 points ago

That type of dedication is rare, these days. I think even the concept is difficult to understand for many.

[–]PLJNS 52 points53 points ago

That dedication has always been rare.

The fact that it's "difficult" to understand makes it no more and no less virtuous.

[–]hnice 10 points11 points ago

I don't think it's the 'difficult' that's hard to understand. I understand that our soldiers are ultimately committed and would stand out here regardless of how difficult it is, and I absolutely respect that. To your point, the difficulty makes the soldiers that much more amazing.

It's more the 'why' that I can't completely wrap my head around. It simply doesn't seem like a very good allocation of individuals this committed to their country. We're obviously talking about people willing to go to extremes for their nation. What I'm not 100% clear on is what it is we've asked them to do here.

So -- and I'm being absolutely sincere here -- can you give me some sense of what it is that's important not about how they're doing their jobs, which I find 100% admirable, but why that particular job is important, given the other important jobs that our armed forces have on their hands?

[–]zendick 11 points12 points ago

The trophy room above the tomb can be used as a retreat in extreme conditions.

[–]thisdude415 4 points5 points ago

Standing here guarding the tomb, even during a hurricane, is a lot less dangerous than an actual fucking war.

These are real soldiers here, and it's still less dangerous than Afghanistan.

[–]UncleSamGamgee 5 points6 points ago

That photo is from September. Here is the real photo of soldiers guarding today.

[–]frumpi 4 points5 points ago

My grandfather is buried in Arlington. Every time i make a visit to see him i stop by to honor these men protecting something greater than themselves. They are absolutely incredible.

[–]hfwarner3 19 points20 points ago

Because "we will never forget you" are just words unless you are willing to back them up with action. <salutes>

[–]TheSpot94 14 points15 points ago

Hate to break it to ya, but this photo is from September. https://twitter.com/The_Old_Guard/status/262961376014761984