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Anarchism is about non-hierarchical social organization. Since capitalism is hierarchical, anarchism is socialist. Of course, anarchism also opposes government, so anarchists want to organize society through cooperation and collective action.

Communism is a specific kind of socialism about creating a classless, stateless society in which the means of production are collectively owned by the workers who use them.

Once upon a time, anarchism and communism were synonyms. Both are about getting rid of the state, both are about getting rid of capitalism, both are about creating a society of peers who organize collectively. After the failure of the Paris Commune, big-name leftists theorists Karl Marx and Mikhail Bakunin disagreed so much that communism and anarchism developed in two separate ways.

In the early 20th century Lenin and other vanguardists came up with a kind of communism in which a vanguard party seizes control of the government so they could use the state to destroy itself and uplift people to socialism. It failed and led to authoritarianism in Russia and China.

Meanwhile, democratic socialists wanted to create socialism by reforming, rather than overthrowing, the government. Their idea was to create a government controlled by the workers through democratic institutions, and which controlled the economy, thus giving workers indirect economic control.

edit: all that said, Che was still much more of a vanguardist than anarchist.

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[–]ProbablyNotLying 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago

I'm really critical of Che myself, but fuck man, come up with some real criticism instead of making shit up.

In the aftermath of the Cuban Revolution, military tribunals tried and executed ~500 Batista regime supporters. This is nothing compared to post-revolutionary terrors in places like France, Russia, and China, or the extrajudicial killings in many contemporary Latin American nations. The Cuban revolutionary government made healthcare reform a major priority, sending doctors to the Soviet Union to learn medicine, setting up clinics throughout the countryside, and lowering the infant mortality rate from one of the worst in Latin America to one of the best. Land reform did not involve forced collectivization as in Russia or China, but instead focused on giving sugar workers greater control over their plantations by turning them into cooperatives.

Where's the mass murder, now?

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http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

http://voices.yahoo.com/che-guevara-hero-mass-murderer-3292360.html

http://www.slideshare.net/frontfel/che-guevare-glamourising-a-mass-murderer

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/05/the-victims-of-che-guevara/

http://blog.nj.com/njv_guest_blog/2012/06/the_real_che_was_no_hero.html

That's just a few links among thousands. Che was a murderer on a massive scale. He reminds me a lot of A Clockwork Orange. The main character of that book, Alex, was a rapist and murderer. Yet I still see people dressing up as him for Halloween, saying that they love him, that "he did whatever he wanted and was super-cool and edgy" despite not even knowing the point of his character. Same reason that supporters/idolators of Che Guevera make me incredibly angry. The man was a murderer.

[–]ProbablyNotLying 0 points1 point2 points 38 minutes ago

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

This is an entire website dedicated to attacking the Cuban government. It's got a big banner on the home page saying "53 YEARS OF OPPRESSION".

http://voices.yahoo.com/che-guevara-hero-mass-murderer-3292360.html

Yahoo news? Come dude, I've seen that compared to the National Inquirer in terms of reliability.

http://www.slideshare.net/frontfel/che-guevare-glamourising-a-mass-murderer

What is this? It looks like some high school student's homework.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/05/the-victims-of-che-guevara/

I clicked the "about" on this page, and the writer calls herself a "conservative syndicated columnist, author, and Fox News Channel contributor." Clearly she is motivated by politics rather than the search for historical truth.

http://blog.nj.com/njv_guest_blog/2012/06/the_real_che_was_no_hero.html

Written by a sitting politician. A Republican from Florida, even. It's hard to get much more biased than that.

Here, now I'm going to use your method to find evidence for all kinds of crazy bullshit. Let's start with googling "Lincoln was a communist" and see what we get:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HZsPZ_guyE

https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2011/04/06/a-lincoln-socialist/

http://www.trivia-library.com/a/president-abraham-lincoln-lincoln-the-communist.htm

http://www.republicanoperative.com/forums/f28/lincoln-communist-25578/

http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2011/10/30/communist-roots-of-lincolns-republican-party/

A few links among thousands, as you said. Actually more than 8 million links, according to google. Guess that settles it, Lincoln was a red! Still not convinced that google can be used to find "evidence" for anything? Okay, I'll google "aliens killed Kennedy":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378284/Secret-memo-shows-JFK-demanded-UFO-files-10-days-assassination.html

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1705331/pg1

http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_jfk.htm

http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/32112/jfk-killed-over-ufos/

If googling shit to support your argument makes it true then Aliens definitely killed Kennedy. When I typed "aliens killed" into the search bar, JFK was the first thing autocomplete gave me. Now I'll google "the holocaust never happened", something pretty much anyone can agree is a stupid, politically-motivated argument:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7BJtgEKqN4

http://www.holocaustdenier.com/noahs-ark-didnt-happen-holocaust-myt/

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062/

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/holoindustry/holoneverhappened.htm

Okay, fuck, I can't do this anymore. I can't take this much stupid. I really hope this demonstrates to you, though, that your method of finding supporting evidence is absolutely horrible. Googling something to find support without checking the source is nothing but an exercise in conformation bias. If you do real research you'll find that no, Che was not a "mass murderer". However, I am not defending Che Guevara! I personally do not like the guy for a whole list of reasons. There's plenty of valid criticism of him, his politics, his methods, and his personal life. The reason you've chosen to criticize him, though, it nothing but politicized slander. It does more to obscure the truth than reveal it, and ultimately hurts your argument more than it helps.

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