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[–]SenorFluffy 153 points154 points ago

This happened at my school. There was an earlier incident that day where a guy came up behind a girl and bear hugged her. When she turned around he said, "Oh, I thought you were someone else." and then he ran away.

The Police sent out another email this morning said they arrested the guy.

[–]aJackztheRipper 73 points74 points ago

Charged him with 2 counts of assault in the 3rd degree too.

Here's the law they referenced

[–]happybadger 82 points83 points ago

Someone's behind on their arrest quota.

[–]Aschebescher 46 points47 points ago

Assault for a hug? Are they serious?

[–]fightswithbears 39 points40 points ago

A bear hug. You've obviously never been hugged by a bear.

[–]gilligvroom 21 points22 points ago

I grew up just south of San Francisco. I've been hugged by many bears.

[–]AgentDaedalus 4 points5 points ago

I grew up south of San Francisco, and I can tell you there are no bear-hugs that occur here.

There are mountain lion-hugs though.

[–]ronimal 3 points4 points ago

You're missing the gay reference.

[–]gilligvroom 2 points3 points ago

My family in Fremont scowl at your comment.

[–]AgentDaedalus 1 point2 points ago

I live pretty close to you.

[–]aubleck 3 points4 points ago

File a police report gilligvroom!

[–]AgentDaedalus 2 points3 points ago

backtrace? Me?

Haha internets.

[–]mojaka 0 points1 point ago

This just isn't getting enough love.

[–]VladiMatt 0 points1 point ago

[–]Aschebescher 9 points10 points ago

You've obviously never been hugged by a bear.

True. Do I miss out?

[–]fightswithbears 20 points21 points ago

What you end up missing is a few body parts.

[–]IndieGamerRid 16 points17 points ago

rips off limbs

"Oh, I thought you were someone else."

[–]Mcturtles 8 points9 points ago

This could be a valid cause for arrest.

[–]sprucenoose 6 points7 points ago

fightswithbears

Everybody, listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about.

[–]zxcv73 59 points60 points ago

Getting arrested for having pockets full of spaghetti. That's as beta as you can get.

[–]lolbifrons 1 point2 points ago

Did it fall out?

[–]gaping_dragon 6 points7 points ago

Being touched without your permission, particularly in an aggressive manner like this is assault. Assault doesn't require you to be physically injured. Do you really think people should just be able to come up and bear hug you?

[–]teuast 1 point2 points ago

I would say it's a balance of intent and perception. I'm a fairly strong guy, if someone comes up and bear hugs me, and they're just being gregarious, I don't care. If I was a girl and I was like 5'3" and 95 pounds, I'd definitely be a bit more on edge about that kind of thing. Calling it assault is still definitely overreacting, but it's not the same thing.

[–]descartesb4thehorse 0 points1 point ago

A bit more on edge? The dude "bear hugged" her from behind and wouldn't let go when she tried to get away. He only let go when he saw someone else approaching. What exactly would you call it if not assault?

[–]teuast 0 points1 point ago

Where do you see that part? The only thing I read was he bear hugged her, then realized she wasn't who he thought she was and let go. That's a completely different story from the one you're telling me.

[–]descartesb4thehorse 0 points1 point ago

The report about the bear hug incident was linked in this comment. He did say he thought she was someone else, but that was after she tried to get away and he wouldn't let go and then someone else showed up.

[–]teuast 0 points1 point ago

Oh. Yeah, what you're saying makes sense now.

[–]Shark7996 18 points19 points ago

I'm guessing they used either

(3) The person purposely places another person in apprehension of immediate physical injury; or

(5) The person knowingly causes physical contact with another person knowing the other person will regard the contact as offensive or provocative

But if they truly mistook the person they bear hugged, number 5 wouldn't count, and it sounds like they weren't trying to intimidate anyone either.

Although, considering all the people that filed reports were women, it's always possible he was, y'know, a creep.

[–]hookertime 12 points13 points ago

Yeah, this whole story seems to be teetering on that edge of socially awkward or something-is-wrong-with-this-guy-creep

[–]ScrubTutor 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, they'll probably figure out which it is in court, if it goes that far.

[–]Knowltey 2 points3 points ago

Not 5 as it specifically specifies that no contact was made between the two individuals.

[–]Shark7996 3 points4 points ago

Knowltey wat r u doin here?

[–]Knowltey 4 points5 points ago

Do I know you from another subreddit or somesuch?

[–]Shark7996 11 points12 points ago

Oops, I might be thinking of someone else.

[–]CorruptComet 10 points11 points ago

We are going to have to ask you to come to the station, a report of assault was filed and you match the description of the suspect. You are under arrest for the third degree assault Knowltey. Anyhug you give or receive may be hugged against hug in a hug of hug. You have the right to a hug.

[–]Knowltey 2 points3 points ago

Well, your name does at least look familiar.

[–]DigitalChocobo 0 points1 point ago

If he honestly was hugging a person that he thought was somebody he knew, that doesn't meet any of the criteria that law gives for assault in the third degree.

Was it the same guy in both cases, and they decided he was lying about the mistaken identity?

[–]Tarman83 22 points23 points ago

Ok, so he was just joking around, mistaken or a creeper? Either way, you can be arrested and charged with a crime for hugging someone?

[–]SenorFluffy 26 points27 points ago

I believe they charged him third degree assault. Assault can be almost anything that makes someone feel threatened like verbal assault.

[–]Spadle 61 points62 points ago

Assault can be almost anything that makes someone feel threatened like verbal assault.

That law seems threatening to me, can I file a police report against the government?

[–]invincible_spleen 5 points6 points ago

The standard judges use is 'Would a reasonable person in the same situation feel threatened?'

[–]hookertime 26 points27 points ago

IMO, the right response would be "yes"

[–]invincible_spleen 7 points8 points ago

I'm in total agreement. This is some seriously creepy behaviour.

[–]f00dninja 3 points4 points ago

But how do I know you're a reasonable person?

[–]Spadle 3 points4 points ago

...how many people DON'T feel threatened by the law?

[–]shodanx 0 points1 point ago

spoiler alert

"a reasonable person" turns out to be what the judge thinks is reasonable at the time

[–]coradeur 2 points3 points ago

Bear "hugging" a stranger from behind, that's more like a wrestling move than a hug, and yes, that would be assault.

[–]mythin 11 points12 points ago

Bear "hugging" someone you know from behind would, however, not be assault. People make mistakes about identity all the time, this time it just happened to involve a bear hug.

edit: Reading the actual description from someone's comment below (of the hugging incident), it does sound...well, "off" at the very least. If the description is 100% accurate, there does seem to be something weird, possibly even assault, going on.

[–]Knowltey 0 points1 point ago

Where is all this talk of bear hugging coming from? The report specifically stated that no contact was made etween the two individuals...

[–]mythin 4 points5 points ago

An earlier incident that this same man is alleged to have been involved in.

[–]kingturtle 2 points3 points ago

hugging, it depends. bear hugging, definitely.

[–]whathappen34 15 points16 points ago

Came here to say this. You, me, and Startisphear all live in the same place! Go Tigers!

[–]lit-lover 4 points5 points ago

I live there too! Woo!

[–]whathappen34 1 point2 points ago

Oh yeah! This feels like /r/meetup lol

[–]Iamlost1975 0 points1 point ago

I live in JC but in Como frequently.

[–]llsmithll 0 points1 point ago

yeah, im out by speakers circle all the time so I found this to be pretty 'interesting'

[–]hookertime 2 points3 points ago

I did my geology field camp through MU. I parked my car in Hitt Street garage for the summer. Does that count?

[–]whathappen34 2 points3 points ago

We will take it! Hey fellow Tiger!

[–]kland_man 1 point2 points ago

Welcome to the SEC! My parents are driving to Columbia tonight for the Kentucky game, show them a good time please!

[–]Monosynaptic 9 points10 points ago

They always write up the Clery Release in the most aggressive language possible. At least with the Bearhug Bandit, they had actual physical contact to work with. This one, the best they could muster is "he got close" and "she felt threatened".

MUPD: "WE MUST LET EVERYONE AT MIZZOU KNOW THAT A GIRL FELT UNCOMFORTABLE AT ONCE!"

Hope they never have to report something serious in one, since all they're teaching students is to ignore them.

[–]technostrich 0 points1 point ago

This has happened to me multiple times, being mistaken for someone else and hugged. It was awesome, nobody ever hugs me otherwise. Why would call the cops on that?

[–]MattJames 1 point2 points ago

Also a mizzou student here. A friend and I are contemplating making "Free Timothy Anderson" tshirts and selling them to hopefully capitalize on such a weird situation, but we are unsure if subtle rape jokes will sell, as rape jokes in any context are almost universally disliked. I'm making this comment as a means of market analysis: would you or your dorm buddies be interested in showing support?

Looking at the phrasing of the law, this guy will most certainly get these charges dropped with any moderately competent lawyer. Can one charge affect the decision on the next? Both events occured in broad daylight, in heavily trafficked areas. Had he JUST bear hugged the first girl and claimed to mistake her for a friend, we would chalk it up to an embarrassing situation for the guy. Had he merely asked a girl if he knew her from somewhere, again, embarrassijg but not assault. Both together, and all of a sudden I'm thinking this guy has mental health issues.

[–]BitchyFace 55 points56 points ago

the report from the first incident

It all makes sense now

[–]whosdamike 72 points73 points ago

The female victim stated while walking to Ellis Library she passed an unknown individual who then turned, came up behind her, and wrapped his arms around her putting her in a "bear hug." The victim tried to free herself but was unable get free. The assault ended when the suspect observed an unknown individual approaching them. The suspect released her and stated, "Oh, I thought you were someone else" and ran from the scene.

None of us were there, but TWO individuals felt threatened enough by this guy to file a report.

Everyone here is making snide remarks, but if your wife, girlfriend, sister, or daughter came to you and said something like this happened, that the guy was EXTREMELY creepy, that she felt threatened...

Well, I would take it seriously. Especially if we reported it and found out it was the SECOND incident by a guy matching that description in just a few short days.

[–]nairb101 29 points30 points ago

Absolutely. The report posted was humorous, because the act sounds completely benign. But I had hoped most people would think "there was probably more context to this" instead of jumping on "women are stuck up."

[–]lolipopp 7 points8 points ago

Especially on a college campus. Campus police take these things pretty seriously.

[–]flyingwolf 0 points1 point ago

Mainly because they are bored to death or so pumped up waiting for something to happen.

[–]BitchyFace 237 points238 points ago

Two people reported that the dude was following them in a super creepy manner. It never hurts to file a police report because just in case shit escalates they have an identity.

I was once chased by a guy while jogging in my neighborhood - I was running down a one-way street, he stopped his car in front of me (I noticed that he passed by a few times, watching me), I instinctively turned around and began running in the other direction, got out of his car and he began to chase me, the only reason why he didnt catch up with me is cause I jumped a fence and he probably figured that it'd be difficult to drag me back over. I called the police and they didn't even come out and take a report. Two days later, I hear on the news that a girl disappeared a couple of blocks away from me. Never heard from again.

[–]mauxly 102 points103 points ago

I was stalked, by a stranger on the street. At first I thought I was just being paranoid. But why did I keep seeing a guy riding a bike in a ski mask at 2 am in the summer? Why did he keep riding past me?

Finally, I thought he was making a move, he crossed the street toward me and it scared the shit out of me so I ran to the nearest house and banged on the door. The residents thought I was nuts, but I forced my way in and cried and begged them to call the cops.

When the cops got there, they found the guy hiding in the bushes across the street. He said to them, exact quote, "You can't do anything to me, I didn't catch her."

This is the guy. He still lives in my town, still walks free.

"Sex offender notification

Detectives with the <Town Redacted by Mauxly> Police Department would like to make the following sex-offender notifications. Neither man is wanted by the <Town Redacted by Mauxly> police.

Level III (high risk to the community) notification

<Name redacted by Mauxly per Reddit Rules>, 39, is living at <Address redacted by Mauxly>. He was charged and convicted of a sexual assault prior to the 1996 notification date. Since that time, he has been charged with multiple felonies to include sex offenses and stalking."

TLDR; Stalked by confirmed rapist, who confirmed that he'd planned to rape, but thought maybe I was just being paranoid or something. Glad I was willing to risk making a fool out of myself by 'over-reacting'.

[–]Kritical02 13 points14 points ago

He said to them, exact quote, "You can't do anything to me, I didn't catch her."

how is that possible? There has to be something he could have been charged with. And as a convicted rapist hopefully he is on parole and would have been sent back in.

[–]Cikedo 4 points5 points ago

I do believe that if that was the direct quote of what he said - then yes, they could have charged him.

He admitted that he "attempted" to catch her. Attempted kidnapping? Attempted assault? Attempted ...ANYTHING?

[–]mauxly 3 points4 points ago

He went to jail for a few days on a stalking charge. Was let out soon after. This was 1996, as you can see from the sex offender notification I quoted directly from the paper a few years ago...he's re-offended, and still free.

[–]dewey7962 13 points14 points ago

Holy shit. Never going jogging by myself again.

[–]Protuhj 28 points29 points ago

Just don't go jogging at 2am.

[–]The_Painted_Man 18 points19 points ago

But night jogging is the best kind of jogging!

Source: I don't jog.

[–]ryumast3r 3 points4 points ago

This is made oddly more disturbing because I still have that joke tag of "rapist" on your name.

[–]The_Painted_Man 2 points3 points ago

Glad to hear my misfortune is someones comedy.

http://i.imgur.com/hRc4w.gif

[–]ryumast3r 1 point2 points ago

Thanks for the reference to the original thread where it comes from, people do deserve to know of this man's troubles.

[–]brianbrianbrian 8 points9 points ago

What else am I supposed to do while I'm waiting for my chili to cook?

[–]Protuhj 7 points8 points ago

Make ice soap.

[–]mauxly 4 points5 points ago

I was walking home from the bar, in a super small town that I'd always felt completely safe in. Hell, before this I would have felt safe walking down the street naked. There's not much crime here and it's close knit...

...just goes to show ya. I lock my doors now. Never did that before either.

PS a little off topic- This is the same down where the cop sexually assaulted a friend of mine in a bar. When he was sentenced with a slap on the wrist, the judge made international headlines by telling my friend that she shouldn't have been hanging out in a bar. The bar is not seedy, average college hang out.

PSS- My friend would probably like all of you to know that the other cops in town were super supportive of her and they fired the guy right off the bat. I don't want to speak too much for her, but she's amazed by the community support both in and out of law enforcement here.

TLDR; You never know what's safe. And that's a bummer.

[–]kuroyaki 0 points1 point ago

If every day I got 1/10000th of a mugging, instead of the same chance to get the whole mugging, it would be both easier to detect/fix and more bearable the next day.

[–]muntoo 1 point2 points ago

...

I...

...

ಠ_ಠ

[–]kuroyaki 1 point2 points ago

Imagine- you walk through a lower-visibility stretch through an otherwise nice area, you feel a tiny bump on the head and a penny and a half rolls out of your pocket. Now you know where where the area needs better visibility, and you know that everyone else knows too. As it is, people can either choose underestimating or overestimating risk, and it puts pre-violence and post-violence people in different worlds. Of course, one could effect that change by making the brain able to comprehend statistics, but that seems about as reality-warping.

[–]kuroyaki 0 points1 point ago

Eh, be tall and male, and you should be fine. Most nights.

[–]RyanLikesyoface 1 point2 points ago

Ha, not true actually. Apparently men are statistically much much more likely to be victims to violent crimes. Probably because we're more likely to go out alone at night.

[–]kuroyaki 0 points1 point ago

Yah, there've been some near things for me. And some on the other side of near. But that's been over years of walking.

...Getting a little more frequent, though, near as I can tell. Would love, love to see the economy pick up.

[–]Toof 10 points11 points ago

Damn it feels good to have a penis.

[–]RyanLikesyoface -1 points0 points ago

If this is a serious comment, that's ridiculous.

[–]Rummelator 17 points18 points ago

Yeah I figured at least with a report, if something happens later they can at least always cite the report as evidence, or bring her in to add substance to a case. If nothing ever happens again, then no harm done

[–]RubyAmnesia 5 points6 points ago

This. Documentation that his pattern of behavior has not abated is a huge factor in parole tactics and possible future sentencing.

[–]queenofkingcity 17 points18 points ago

I was leaving work once, and although it was rather early, it was kind of dark because it was winter. We always left in pairs, but I parked out back in the employee lot and the other person I left with was in the front on the street. I've always been very comfortable in the section of the city I worked in (and currently live in) but there are definitely shady people. I was walking towards my car and there was a guy walking toward me and every time I looked up he was making eye contact. It wasn't like our eyes just caught once, it seemed like he was staring me down. Finally I just decided to turn around and run. Better safe than sorry. Anyway the next day this guy comes in to our store and he's missing most of his teeth, therefore his pronunciation is not so good. He gets to the register and says something to the effect of "Isinki sarred you lassnight." I didn't understand, so he repeated himself a couple of times and I realized he was saying that he thought he scared me last night. He was, in fact, the guy that had scared me the night before. It turns out he was just a mentally ill homeless man who was pretty harmless and really apologetic, but I don't regret running. You just never know.

[–]Itza420 17 points18 points ago

So awesome of him to come apologize though, what a kind heart

[–]lmxbftw 37 points38 points ago

I'm just gonna go cry in a locked and padded room now. Excuse me.

[–]damontoo 7 points8 points ago

Jog with this in your hand. People will just think it's a weight or something. Problem solved.

[–]BitchyFace 4 points5 points ago

I think tazing him would have just pissed him off. I always fantasized about having a gun and turning around and shooting him, not realistic or smart but it could have saved that other girl. She was never heard from again, and I keep thinking that I would probably be dead if he caught me (which he almost did, that fence saved my life). I bought 2 guns, a tazer, and a pepper spray ring after this happened, but I haven't gone jogging outside again by myself.

[–]frankbunny 2 points3 points ago

If you hold a tazer on someone for more than a couple of seconds it will do more than piss them off

[–]BitchyFace 3 points4 points ago

Assuming that they aren't much stronger than you and can't take it away or don't break your hand, or knock you out.

[–]Poltras 3 points4 points ago

At that point though he pretty much didn't want to ask "do I know you"...

[–]AgentDaedalus 6 points7 points ago

Damn police not doing their jobs. I bet they look real competent now.

[–]Gark32 4 points5 points ago

the police have no duty to protect you.

edit: source.

[–]RubyAmnesia 2 points3 points ago

Holy. Shit.

[–]mauxly 1 point2 points ago

They did their jobs. They took him away, locked him up. After that it's up to prosecuting attorneys, judges, and parole boards.

I'd hazard that this guy would never have seen the light of day again if our prisons and legal systems weren't over run by drug infractions. Another reason to legalize.

[–]theonefree-man -4 points-3 points ago

Fuck the police.

[–]CrazedToCraze 29 points30 points ago

I detect bravery levels increasing.

[–]The_Adventurist 2 points3 points ago

These bravery numbers, they're off the charts!

[–]Dupshflayh 3 points4 points ago

[–]mister_pants 0 points1 point ago

You were totally right to be afraid, and the woman in this case was right to report the frightening encounter to the police. I am, however, pretty flabbergasted that the police department described the creepy encounter as a third degree assault and referred to the woman as a victim. The notion that a crime occurred in the instance OP links to is laughable. A weird act that could signal potential criminal activity is not the same thing as a crime.

[–]ZugTheMegasaurus 35 points36 points ago

Without additional details, it's really impossible to tell whether this is totally ridiculous or not.

Yes, it would be ludicrous if it was just a guy saying, "Hey, you look really familiar, have we met?" and being mistaken.

But it sounds (from the scant details in the report anyway) that it didn't happen that way. I tend to be overly trusting of people, but if there were a guy who's a hell of a lot bigger than me following me up an empty stairwell and then approaching extremely close and saying, "Don't I know you," I'd probably be looking for an escape route. It's not something I'd be asking for charges pressed over, but still probably enough to warrant watching the building more closely, especially if it's happening repeatedly.

[–]RubyAmnesia 19 points20 points ago

As a small framed woman, a man large man approaching me in a parking garage is very frightening. I honestly would have made a complaint to security too. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

[–]JennyBeckman 7 points8 points ago

I think that's the smart thing to do. No need to press charges but definitely notify security so they can be on the alert for escalations. If neither girl had reported it, security wouldn't be aware that a pattern is emerging.

[–]lendrick 5 points6 points ago

Seriously. The fact that two different people were both creeped out about this to actually call the police leads one to believe that the experience was perhaps more threatening than a brief skim of the report would lead one to believe. I'm guessing he's done this a lot more than twice.

[–]Whirledpeas1129 47 points48 points ago

I think it's important to note that the man followed her through a parking garage. Most women know that parking garages aren't safe. They are the most common location for stranger rape. Two women were followed into a parking garage. One woman was then followed into a stairwell. One was even grabbed by the man following her, although he walked away afterwards. Both reported it. To me, it sounds like neither felt safe. It's good to report those cases to the college to make other women aware of their surroundings.

Edit: Also, most types of sexual crimes escalate. At first, he might just be following closely to someone and then grabbing them into a hug. What happens next time?

There was a man a few months ago who was exposing himself to women in a city in the Midwest. After that, he started peeping into people's windows while exposing himself. Then, he started masturbating while watching them. Then, he started to try to get into their homes. So, what started out as "just a flasher" escalated in a matter of months. It's good to report those things.

Edit 2: For those who are upset that the man didn't commit a violent act, I want to ask you this. Would you follow a woman into a secluded area and grab her into a bear hug from behind? Do you think that would actually be OK? Most people would say that's assault.

[–]blc187 22 points23 points ago

i think the OP must be male because as a female i read this and think that i would be scared if this had happened to me.
it sounds to me like he was being really creepy and close, in addition to doing it to multiple women.
i can see why someone would report this. but OP (if he is a man) has probably never been in a situation like that and can downplay it as someone just asking if they know you and freaking out over nothing.

[–]lit-lover 2 points3 points ago

The "bear hug" incident happened in the open area in a space that is actually designated as an outdoor arena-type area, not in a secluded place. The second happened in a parking garage, which counts as a secluded area.

[–]pistachioshell 86 points87 points ago

There's like, zero context for what actually happened here, the guy could've been acting in a super threatening manner with his body language.

[–]whosdamike 33 points34 points ago

It was the second time someone felt threatened enough to report this guy in just a few days. The first incident, as someone else posted down-thread:

The female victim stated while walking to Ellis Library she passed an unknown individual who then turned, came up behind her, and wrapped his arms around her putting her in a "bear hug." The victim tried to free herself but was unable get free. The assault ended when the suspect observed an unknown individual approaching them. The suspect released her and stated, "Oh, I thought you were someone else" and ran from the scene.

[–]pistachioshell 9 points10 points ago

Yeah, the guy is a grade A creeper.

[–]Ramblin_Dash 21 points22 points ago

Yeah, following someone close behind in a dark staircase can easily be threatening. Especially when the follower/stalker is much larger than the victim.

Assault doesn't require contact (that's battery), it requires that a reasonable person would feel threatened in the victim's position. This is a totally legitimate police report, and not the domain of this subreddit IMO.

[–]Buck_Futthole 87 points88 points ago

"The current victim was taken to the station"

Victim of what?

[–]NuM3R1K 54 points55 points ago

I'd consider myself somewhat socially awkward, but I'd never call myself a victim of a conversation. Maybe the description of the interaction is missing details as to why the "victim" felt intimidated.

[–]SocialistKilljoy 7 points8 points ago

A stranger got up in her face in a stairwell? That is extremely threatening behavior.

[–]shodanx 2 points3 points ago

Hello, I am a professional victim and I feel victimized by your sentence structure.

I have called the grammar police, they are on their way

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[–]shadmere 6 points7 points ago

Actually, according to other posts in this thread, he was arrested the next day.

[–]Zmbywoof 1 point2 points ago

[–]SoCalDan 3 points4 points ago

arrested for worst pick up line ever!

[–]Foxbatt 23 points24 points ago

Asking "Do I know you" is clearly third degree assault.

[–]Poltras 6 points7 points ago

Do I know you?

[–]woodycanuck[!] 11 points12 points ago

Hi, I'm Adrian Chen from Gawker.com. Just have a seat over there, would you?

[–]shodanx 0 points1 point ago

that's almost rape, Tina Fey told me

[–]danaofdoom 11 points12 points ago

Apparently he "got very close" and said "I don't know you."

Idk man, that sounds a little odd. There's nothing wrong with letting the cops know that there's a weird guy hanging around the stairs of a parking garage, going up to random strangers, getting close to them, and saying weird stuff. I'm constantly hearing the whole "if you see something odd, report it" message.

[–]Lexarius 6 points7 points ago

"Don't I know you?", not "I don't know you."

[–]schmoobieschmoobie 0 points1 point ago

my boyfriend wants to be the MU bear hugger for halloween now. That situation is ridiculous. Some skinny white dude got arrested for being creepy.

[–]Stratisphear 5 points6 points ago

I believe there was a followup where he was arrested for this. He also gave one woman a bear hug before realizing he had mistaken her for someone else, apologizing, and leaving.

[–]Kill_Puppies_4_Satan 2 points3 points ago

I feel that you and Senorfluffy may live in the same town

[–]whathappen34 0 points1 point ago

Me too!

[–]coldfrontin 3 points4 points ago

Earlier today at my school:

Crime Warning Communication

DATE: October 26, 2012 12:23:03 PM EDTCrime Warning

Crime Warning Communication

Reported Offense: On 10/26/2012 at 11:28 AM a student was approached in a laundry room at Sullivan Hall by two males. The males brandished a pocket knife and asked the victim if he had change for a 20 dollar bill. The victim left the area unharmed. The first suspect was described is a black male, dreadlocks, knit cap, 6’1”-6’2” wearing jeans and a dark heavy jacket. The second suspect is a black male, red jacket, average height. Both suspects were in their mid 20’s.

Contact the NC State University Campus Police if you have any information that will help with this case by calling 919.515.3000 or 911 for emergencies.

[–]JimCorrigan -1 points0 points ago

best get rid of the braces then

[–]jkingme 2 points3 points ago

Holy crap, my dad lives right next door to that parking garage. Like, you look out the window and there it is 20 feet away. Good thing he's 6'5" and 260 lbs. And has a penis.

[–]Schwooter 1 point2 points ago

Can we just have a Mizzou meetup? I'm totally surprised by seeing this here.

[–]The_Painted_Man 0 points1 point ago

With athin build?

I wish i had athin build...

[–]OddballEducator 1 point2 points ago

At first I thought this was just some slow person on /r/mizzou but then no. My facebook feed is half people making jokes and half people saying "this isn't funny and we shouldn't be laughing. assault is serious."

[–]SCzergrush 1 point2 points ago

6" white male with dark hair, jeans and a sweatshirt. It's good they had that description now they'll find the, "do I know you" criminal in no time.

[–]FighterPoetThinker 0 points1 point ago

Fellow Mizzou student here. This has made the whole campus laugh. The follow up update about how they arrested the kid added more laughs.

[–]CurteousBear 0 points1 point ago

Seems the law is pretty f****d up over in the U.S.. Glad I live in Australia. :D

[–]TiredOfAtheismSpam 0 points1 point ago

Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

As a man, there are very few situations in which I feel physically threatened. Women do not have that luxury because they are much smaller and weaker. Something that a man wouldn't bat an eye at might be very concerning to a woman, and so it might not strike a guy as "creepy" (and really I have no idea in this situation) because they're not used to being so physically outmatched. It would be nice if everyone looked at things from others' perspectives before acting.

They don't, and I think it's hard to blame the guy too much if he was just awkward, because he obviously wouldn't be approaching someone if he knew that their reaction would be fear (not a real solid way to start a relationship of any kind).

[–]unti 1 point2 points ago

Holy shit! This is my school! And we're on the REDDIT!!

[–]Psybeam60 1 point2 points ago

We had a serial butt slapper at my university last year. It was scary for the women, hilarious to the men.

[–]lit-lover 1 point2 points ago

Same school had someone who was stealing underwear from dorm girls in the spring semester. Apparently Mizzou is just full of creepy people.

[–]liquorandkarate -1 points0 points ago

maybe he thinks they all look alike

[–]FloorManager -1 points0 points ago

I'm so going to hell for wanting to make this joke.

[–]Moruitelda -2 points-1 points ago

Reminds me of the Rebecca Watson elevator story.

[–]bob-leblaw 12 points13 points ago

Go on.

[–]Moruitelda 26 points27 points ago

She was a panelist at an atheist conference, and was talking about how there is sexism in the atheist community, and people treat her inappropriately at conferences. "Hey, it's 4 AM and I'm exhausted. I'm going to go to bed."

One guy peels off the group and goes into the elevator with her. "Hey, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're really interesting. Would you like to come up to my room and have a cup of coffee? I'd love to keep talking."

She said no, and that's where the story ends - they go their separate ways.

Her take on this - guys should never do that, because it's objectifying her, and he should have known how terrifying it would be for her to be alone in an elevator with a man who asked her to go up to his room. He had heard her complaining about creepy people at atheist conferences, and heard her say that she was tired, so he should have known that she didn't want to have coffee in his room and just not said anything to her. How misogynistic. She vlogs this message to her fairly extensive Internet following.

My take: some "forever alone" type guy met an intelligent woman that he found interesting and tried to take an opportunity to spend time with her to maybe justify asking her out at some point, or something. She shot him down, and then told the entire Internet about how he was awful, clearly should have known she wasn't interested, and made her feel scared that she was going to be a rape victim. That's kind of a ridiculous overreaction.

(End of the story, a bunch of anonymous Internet trolls came in and said a bunch of misogynist things to her, which just added fuel to the fire.)

[–]BitchyFace 30 points31 points ago

It would be scary for a woman to be alone in an elevator with a man who followed you into an elevator and is inviting you back to his room at 4am. If he was interested in getting to know her, he could have asked her if she wanted to have drinks the next day.

The dude might be a nice guy though, just an unintentional creep.

[–]Moruitelda 11 points12 points ago

The dude might be a nice guy though, just an unintentional creep.

That was kind of my take.

[–]RubyAmnesia 5 points6 points ago

He was with her at the hotel bar if memory serves, he could have asked there. Following a woman into a confined space to proposition her is extremely creepy. Maybe he meant nothing by it, but if I was in her position I would be very threatened.

I'm 5'2'' 115ish lbs. Men are by and large much bigger and stronger than me. When a guy makes me uncomfortable it's a simple mental step to be threatened. Especially in this age where more rapes are being reported by larger news sources. Fear sells, so most of our 'news' is fear based.

A guy was following me at the grocery store the other day, walked up to me and asked "Do you live around here?" When I politely blew him off (told him I was married, from out of town, visiting in-laws, I even switched the ring I always wear over to my left hand when I noticed he was following me) he kept following me. I eventually went to security and asked them to keep him away from me. Then I asked security to walk me to my car. It was maybe 2PM on a Wednesday at a busy grocery store. The guy appeared to be mentally unstable or possibly on drugs. It really rattled me. I felt legitimately unsafe walking to my car in the daylight with many people around. Yes, he could have been a SAP, but it also could have turned very ugly.

[–]BitchyFace 3 points4 points ago

Generally speaking, I don't think most guys do things to intentionally creep us out. Maybe they are socially awkward or unaware. However, there are some men that don't take so kindly to rejection and react with violence or intimidation. In my opinion, most girls would feel extremely uncomfortable with being in an isolated situation like this.

[–]Its-Georgie 21 points22 points ago

Wow way to exaggerate the story. Rebecca Watson mentioned this incident in a talk as an example of ways that men intimidate women without realizing it. Women experience sexual harassment in public on a very regular basis and so of course a man making an advance on a woman in a space she can't escape from would be worrisome to her. She never told the entire internet or any other group he was awful. And then yeah, she got trolled. But it wasn't just people saying mean things to her, they were calling her personal phone, sending things to her house, and posting pictures of gore and dead bodies on her Facebook page. She got death threats.

I'm going to go ahead and give my own experiences as an example. I've had my fair share of weird, creepy, unwanted advances in public, often from much older men. Sometimes they're just winks and stares. Sometimes a guy sits down next to me on an empty bus and tries to flirt with me. And sometimes, every once in a while, one of those men will threaten to kill me when I turn them down. This has happened twice to me in the past few months. This sort of thing makes me wonder: What if one of these men had approached me in a parking lot or on a dark street instead of a public space? Would they have assaulted me? Raped me? Killed me? Thankfully it hasn't happened yet. Maybe it will. Who knows?

And here's the thing about me, I'm a trans woman. These sorts of advances started happening in July and I've already had multiple people wholeheartedly express their desire to kill me because I don't want to fuck them. I don't pass perfectly. I don't completely conform to conventional beauty standards. If I was a conventionally beautiful cis woman, these sorts of advances would be many times more frequent. I can go a couple days without someone being creepy around me. Some women can't go one bus ride.

Most of the time, unwanted advances are just weird and creepy. Once in a while, they're terrifying. So when you've been in a bar giving a speech, and then you sit around for hours chatting with you audience, and finally head to the elevator to sleep.. And some guy you don't know ducks into the elevator with you and says, "I've been watching you all night, now that I have you alone in a space you can't escape from, how do you feel about heading up to my room for a euphemism for sex?" That's pretty fucking scary, because maybe this guy is the one that finally does it, finally gropes you or beats you or tries to drag you off to his room.

And that's what Rebecca Watson was talking about.

[–]ascendingPig 6 points7 points ago

Ugh, in some ways it's scarier when you're not conventionally attractive. If a beautiful woman rejects you, she's a stuck up bitch, but when a normal-looking woman rejects you, she doesn't know how good she could have had it and is acting totally above her station. There's a sense of entitlement a lot of men have to every girl they think isn't unattainably hot. :(

[–]pldidit 5 points6 points ago

There was even some drama involving Richard Dawkins over this.

[–]Moruitelda 6 points7 points ago

Oh, I know. Dawkins was out of line, and a lot of the anonymous Internet commenters were WAY out of line.

[–]pldidit 5 points6 points ago

Don't take me wrong, but I thought his point was pretty valid, he just failed to express himself well. I don't like how anything can be considered an offense nowadays, regardless of intent or actual harm being done.

[–]Moruitelda 6 points7 points ago

I'm all about women being able to go out into public without being harassed. But I think that you're cutting a little too close to the bone when you draw the line the way she does.

[–]Spadle 4 points5 points ago

Apparently, talking counts as harassment.

[–]nairb101 4 points5 points ago

Her take on this - guys should never do that, because it's objectifying her, and he should have known how terrifying it would be for her to be alone in an elevator with a man who asked her to go up to his room. He had heard her complaining about creepy people at atheist conferences, and heard her say that she was tired, so he should have known that she didn't want to have coffee in his room and just not said anything to her. How misogynistic. She vlogs this message to her fairly extensive Internet following.

Source? I've been able to find one video of her reaction and it literally is "don't do this, guys."

[–]pistachioshell 35 points36 points ago

Inviting someone "into your room for coffee" at 4am when you're alone in an elevator with them is a pretty fucking creepy thing to do.

[–]fuzzyfuzz 4 points5 points ago

Can you please provide to me a list as to when and where it is acceptable for me to hit on women? It's starting to feel to me like people think internet dating is the only "safe" way to meet people nowadays.

[–]kuroyaki 0 points1 point ago

Well, since you asked... the whitelist you proposed sounds great.

[–]hans1193 4 points5 points ago

So say no and forget about it

[–]pistachioshell 3 points4 points ago

Ask her for coffee in public and if she rejects you, forget about it

[–]PasswordIsntHAMSTER 1 point2 points ago

I'm just a poor white middle-class male and I don't disagree with Rebecca Watson here, but if someone/anyone was going to ask me if I was DTF, I'd rather it be done in private. (Elevators are also a terrible idea though)

[–]JaronK 5 points6 points ago

If the guy was an introvert, it may have been too scary to do so in a more public spot. So he does it at the first moment where he feels enough confidence to try... and then immediately backs off when rejected.

[–]pistachioshell 5 points6 points ago

If his feeling too scared to approach someone in a public place is a legitimate emotional motivation for his actions, then feeling scared of being approached in an isolated place is an absolutely legitimate motivation for her actions.

[–]JaronK 0 points1 point ago

It would show an extreme inability to do a decent threat assessment on her part, though. The issue is not that she felt uncomfortable... the issue is that she made it an extension to everybody that nobody should be approached under similar circumstances, and that a lot of people also jumped in and made a heck of a lot of accusations on both sides as a result.

[–]pistachioshell 5 points6 points ago

It would show an extreme inability to do a decent threat assessment on her part, though.

Considering people actually do get attacked in elevators or in isolated places attached to public ones, no. It doesn't show "an extreme inability" of anything.

Approaching someone to proposition them for anything they might not want to do while they are in an enclosed space and cannot get away is not okay under any circumstances.

[–]Moruitelda 2 points3 points ago

So is walking up to someone alone in the stairs of a parking garage, getting really close to someone, and saying, "Do I know you?" Well, really, that's much more creepy than the elevator thing, because elevator guy had actually been participating in a discussion with her for hours. But I digress.

Yes, this similarity is why I am reminded of the Rebecca Watson elevator guy story.

[–]pistachioshell 1 point2 points ago

Well, really, that's much more creepy than the elevator thing, because elevator guy had actually been participating in a discussion with her for hours

I dunno, I'd say it's about as bad considering the discussion had been explicitly about how that kind of behavior was not fucking okay. That makes it almost more immediately threatening.

Regardless, neither of us were there to actually know the tone of what went down.

[–]Moruitelda 7 points8 points ago

If memory serves, her account of the conversation had been along the lines of a discussion of people inappropriately touching her.

Generally when you take a chance on trying to get to know someone one-on-one, whether your intention is purely platonic; long-term romantic; or NSA sex, you don't ask them in front of a group of people, for fear of public rejection. Especially if you're kind of awkwardly, unintentionally creepy.

[–]pistachioshell 1 point2 points ago

The whole "come into my room for coffee" while they're in the elevator thing is direct sexual propositioning in a situation where someone can't just immediately leave the vicinity if they're uncomfortable.

Not physical contact, but still inappropriate as hell and absolutely along the lines of what she was just talking about.

Generally when you take a chance on trying to get to know someone one-on-one, whether your intention is purely platonic; long-term romantic; or NSA sex, you don't ask them in front of a group of people, for fear of public rejection. Especially if you're kind of awkwardly, unintentionally creepy.

You also sure as hell don't do it in an enclosed place where the other person physically cannot leave

[–]Moruitelda 8 points9 points ago

"come into my room for coffee" while they're in the elevator thing is direct sexual propositioning

No, no it's not. It's asking if she wants to have coffee and continue to talk. Sexual intent can be inferred, but it is not implied. Especially when he went out of his way to say, "Don't take this the wrong way, but..."

It might be indirect sexual propositioning, but there is absolutely no indication from his words, or from her relation of his non-verbal conduct, that he was propositioning her.

It might have been his intent. It might not. He might be a creeper - he might simply be awkward. But if he's the latter, there's no reason that he should be chastised - indeed, ostracized - for going out on a limb and seeing if he can get to know someone better.

[–]danaofdoom 3 points4 points ago

Well I mean, they'd just been in a hotel bar where there was plenty of coffee. If he wanted to get to know her one-on-one he could have asked her to dinner at another time.

"Hi, I really enjoyed talking with you. I'd be delighted if we could meet for dinner sometime. Here's my number." Aka, "I actually want to get to know you better, let's meet somewhere that we can both feel comfortable and talk."

"Come to my room for coffee" = "come into my room, an intimate space, where we will be alone, and maybe we can have sex."

[–]Tetzel 12 points13 points ago

Actually her problem with it was that the man did exactly what she had just spoken about NOT doing at the conference, sexualizing women.

she says:

' basically, in an elevator in Dublin at 4AM I was invited back to the hotel room of a man I had never spoken to before and who was present to hear me say that I was exhausted and wanted to go to bed.'

Not to mention the fact that asking a single woman in an elevator back to your room for sex is the definition of an unwanted sexual comment, especially when that woman has already said she is going to sleep. He objectified her because he didn't take into account her previous conversation with the group (i'm going to sleep) and also the intimidation that can come from a woman being approached in an elevator (no escape) by a large man inviting her to his room for 'coffee' (obvious euphemism for sex) this comes on top of the fact she had spoken at length at this conference and others about the skeptic community and their attitudes towards sexualizing and objectifying women. She then said 'guys, don't do that' as a word of advice for men who don't want to come across as threatening or disrespectful. Approaching women in an enclosed space is a terrible idea anyway. She also never named or shamed him, she just used that (good) example, to showcase how people miss the point on what she says at these conferences.

Which was funny because then Dawkins chimed in with some stupid 'but your problem isn't valid because X women have Y problems and they're worse' and was pretty much slated by a load of other people in the same community.

At least get the facts straight. It's 4am, she's tired, and he's inviting her back for sex, to 'talk more', when they hadn't actually spoken at all all evening. The guy was an idiot.

[–]Moruitelda 8 points9 points ago

You can infer a sexual overture from it, but, unless she is doing a poor job telling the story, it was not implied. Coffee is not a euphemism for sex. If it is, I sexually harass my entire office on a daily basis.

[–]Tetzel 10 points11 points ago

It's called context.

Person she has not spoken to before.

On her way to her room.

4AM.

Alone in an elevator with this person.

'let's go back to my room so we can talk more' - they haven't spoken.

Coffee is not a euphemism for sex

hahahah oh wow. Do you just not understand euphemisms? Have you really never encountered the coffee=sex euphemism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnV3uFO4Nm8

[–]Moruitelda 8 points9 points ago

If Seinfeld says it, I guess it has to be true. Always. I guess I'll stop asking my mom if she wants to meet up for coffee to catch up. That's really inappropriate, in light of the fact that an invitation to have coffee is in fact the linguistic equivalent to a direct proposition for a sex act.

[–]oh_herro_dere 2 points3 points ago

Are you actually this fucking stupid?

[–]Tetzel 2 points3 points ago

again, context

[–]Moruitelda 3 points4 points ago

And I can see where it is possible that the context shifts the balance, but it does not turn this inquiry into a direct, unquestionable offer of sex.

[–]danaofdoom 7 points8 points ago

She'd just been hanging out in the hotel bar having coffee and discussing sexism in the skeptic community. When she announced she wanted to go to bed this guy took it as an opener to try and make a move.

Her point was that it's not a great way to approach someone. Especially someone who has just been talking about how they don't like that crap. Its a valid point. If I say I'm going to bed at 4am, don't follow me into an elevator and invite me up to your room for "coffee." Duh.

And her telling this story was absolutely not a reason for a bunch of assholes to flame her with threats of rape.

[–]invincible_spleen 5 points6 points ago

Yeah, she totally made a huge deal out of it.

Starts around 4:35ish. She basically says, 'Hey guys, don't do that, it can make women uncomfortable.' Cue angry men from all corners of the internet coming out of their holes to give her their angry opinions.