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[–]Roham21 367 points368 points ago

The top cause of death in the US military is suicide.

[–]uncleawesome 118 points119 points ago

Keep going. Why is suicide the top killer?

[–]j03l5k1 280 points281 points ago

I think it has something to do with seeing too many rainbows and waterfalls.

[–]sicgamer 73 points74 points ago

It's all those puppies man. Fucks dudes up.

[–]LlongSchllong 64 points65 points ago

It's going to be okay lil nigga.

[–]MrLeville 9 points10 points ago

I don't how where that "lil nigga" shit comes from, but I like it.

[–]axxj 12 points13 points ago

[–]kinguzumaki 2 points3 points ago

Man, Pyro just can't catch a break, I swear...

[–]errrryday 97 points98 points ago

Because people develop mental issues like PTSD.

[–]krunkjunker 101 points102 points ago

less than 25% of military suicides are individuals who ever saw any form of combat. an interesting statistic to think about. Being someone who has seen combat, as an Infantryman, I know 2 soldiers who chose to take their own lives. Both were guys who saw combat with me, and had almost identical experiences as I did. Some guys are fine. Some are not.

But when you look at the thounsands of guys who are claiming PTSD when applying for VA disability, and you realize that a large portion of them never stepped outside of a FOB/COB, you have to ask, whats going on?

[–]palanoid 102 points103 points ago

For women in military, leading cause for PTSD is sexual assault.

For men, it's harder to find out the reasons. But at least one of the reasons is also rape.

In the staunchly traditional military culture, it’s an ugly secret, kept hidden by layers of personal shame and official denial. Last year nearly 50,000 male veterans screened positive for “military sexual trauma” at the Department of Veterans Affairs, up from just over 30,000 in 2003. For the victims, the experience is a special kind of hell—a soldier can’t just quit his job to get away from his abusers. But now, as the Pentagon has begun to acknowledge the rampant problem of sexual violence for both genders, men are coming forward in unprecedented numbers, telling their stories and hoping that speaking up will help them, and others, put their lives back together. “We don’t like to think that our men can be victims,” says Kathleen Chard, chief of the posttraumatic-stress unit at the Cincinnati VA. “We don’t want to think that it could happen to us. If a man standing in front of me who is my size, my skill level, who has been raped—what does that mean about me? I can be raped, too.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/04/03/the-military-s-secret-shame.html

[–]YouGuysAreSick 8 points9 points ago

Come on guys ! Nobody has ever seen "Full metal jacket" ? Here is your explanation ! Bullying. Add that with palanoid just said and there's no need to search further.

[–]tacosfor25cents 6 points7 points ago

movies... straight up fact they never lie

[–]YouGuysAreSick 4 points5 points ago

So are you implying bullying doesn't exist in the army ? You're way wrong if that's the case...

[–]Nemo7123 39 points40 points ago

I don't think combat is the only stress they experience. The extreme hours, the loneliness, and the loss of control I think are major contributors. I don't think it's fair to say just because someone hasn't seen combat that they don't have other military stressors. The enlisted guys especially. They don't get to choose what they do, they often don't get to see their SO/family on holidays. It's hard. Believe me, I'm a military SO and won't see my husband on Christmas this year. I think it also has to do with the type of person who joins the military (okay risky statement, but hear me out). But many of the guys who join (and this might be more enlisted) have had a tough life and looking for discipline and direction to their life. It works well in many cases (including my husband and a few friends), but sometimes they still don't find it. Couple that loneliness, stress, and loss of control, it's no wonder someone would spiral out of control. Finally, getting mental help in military isn't easy. Most guys don't have an outlet for their frustrations. And most are apprehensive to see a therapist due to worry that might affect their career.

Edit: PTSD and Depression are not the same but sadly can both lead to suicide. I just wanted to clarify I was talking about depression and krunkjunker made a good point that many guys cannot tell the difference or ignore it.

Edit 2: Do not confuse my statement about the type of person who joins the military with what someone said below,

brainwashed, the desperate, and the psychopathic.

Fuck that guy.

[–]krunkjunker 8 points9 points ago

I completely agree with you.

But Stress, and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, are two very different things. And a lot of guys are failing to see the difference, or ignoring it.

[–]fyshstix 2 points3 points ago

Even the soldiers who didn't get directly involved in combat still had adjustment issues returning home. Strained relationships, cheating spouses, financial mismanagement, trouble finding a job after discharge, lost sense of purpose, loneliness, etc.

[–]skwirrlmaster 0 points1 point ago

Poor leadership from E-7 - O-9

[–]iEatPie 34 points35 points ago

When I was in the Army it was constantly known to watch for suicide.

Why is suicide the top killer? Probably because you spend so long away from your family. Nothing along the lines that most think. It has to do with distance from those you love on a constant basis.

It is why in the civilian/contractor side they keep it to 4-6 month deployments at most.

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[–]Skizmanic 4 points5 points ago

I'm sorry dude. I'm getting out this year after four years. RIP Cal indeed.

[–]reddit374656293 23 points24 points ago

It's always been the same story. All soldiers are heros when they are on active duty. When they return home as veterans no one cares any more.

This is the story on suicides.

[–]pibechorro 13 points14 points ago

How about we stop invading? How about we stop funding a war machine? My condolences. Don't let your family be a pawn for others profit.

[–]lgroeni 2 points3 points ago

It's worth pointing out that the suicide rate in the military is historically below the national average. The big concern in recent years (2009-2010 or so) is that it was rising to near the national average.

My stats might be out of date though - it's been a couple of years since I looked at them.

[–]adjhkjhkj1h23 2 points3 points ago

this is such a silly thing to rant about.

in some countries (not US, I don't have statistics for that) the suicide rate by soldiers is lower than that of the general population (possibly due to the fact that the military doesn't recruit people with a history of mental illness).

very few soldiers experience combat, so PTSD from it is unlikely to make a huge difference in the statistics.

that is not to say PTSD isn't real and doesn't cause depression and possibly suicide, it's just that people kill themselves all the time, in all circumstances.

[–]Fr87 124 points125 points ago

This picture's insanely old, isn't it? Just look at the BDUs that the man is wearing.

[–]wesrawr 47 points48 points ago

Yes, according to the googles, that picture is from 2007 at the latest.

[–]I_RARELY_RAPE_PEOPLE 61 points62 points ago

5 whole years ago?

Blow the dust off at least.

[–]Wilcows 74 points75 points ago

2007 is 5 years ago?????

Holy fucking shit.

[–]regsvanlinks 10 points11 points ago

Lol I'm so old amirite!?

[–]IT_Derp 39 points40 points ago

This picture has been posted on the internet hundreds of times

[–]DonkeyPunchTheGalaxy 41 points42 points ago

First time I'm seeing it. Got my right in the feelers.

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[–]TheRanchoChupacabraj 19 points20 points ago

For being such an old picture, I'm surprised that it's only been posted two other times.

[–]jdonabro 9 points10 points ago

Karmadecay isn't 100% effective at finding matches.

[–]mamba_79 6 points7 points ago

I hope my kids have the same love and passion for one another - equally, I hope they are never separated like this. I've not lost a friend or a child to war, but this hurts...it hurts bad.

[–]solarpoweredatheist 126 points127 points ago

Aww, I was wondering if this was going to be reposted this week.

[–]kolalouy 37 points38 points ago

Probably on Facebook where you are suppose to like it if not you will go hell

[–]windowlicker9k 31 points32 points ago

"Like if U <3 you're family!"

[–]Fhom 755 points756 points ago

Everytime, it makes me wonder when the americans will learn to drop their love for the military.

Edit : since this is apparently going to be the top comment and hate thread, let me quote this by user LeszekSwirski for you :

I agree. If you don't want to die, don't want to kill, don't want your loved ones to cry at your early funeral, then don't join the armed forces. I appreciate that a country needs an army (though not one of the scale that America has), but I don't understand who would join it when the country's borders are safe, except the brainwashed, the desperate, and the psychopathic.

[–]PoniesRBitchin 743 points744 points ago

American who hates war here, every time I see a picture like this I say that we need to end wars, and that people should stop enlisting. And every time, I get downvoted.

EDIT- I guess the 700 upvotes makes up for the 50 or so downvotes I've gotten.

[–]PokemasterTT 251 points252 points ago

Communist.

[–]cdank 208 points209 points ago

Study it out.

[–]NonViolentWar 19 points20 points ago

I love that this has become a thing.

[–]MetalKeirSolid 42 points43 points ago

Read it up.

[–]DanaKaZ 15 points16 points ago

Do the math son.

[–]AManHasSpoken 29 points30 points ago

Hit the gym.

[–]no-game 15 points16 points ago

Join the book club.

[–]Maxesse 0 points1 point ago

Lawyer up

[–]skipppr 4 points5 points ago

I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

[–]eire1228 5 points6 points ago

yeah. communists just murder everyone

[–]mark445 34 points35 points ago

And if the hippie minority of reddit is downvoting you, you can imagine what the mainstream American attitude is like.

[–]theitalianguy 43 points44 points ago

as a european, whenever I see threads like this, I always wonder if the military service in the US is mandatory.

Then I realize it is not.

[–]Brachiator 7 points8 points ago

I have traveled throughout most of Western Europe and you folks definitely are worlds apart in terms of patriotic fervor and attitudes towards the military. It's been about 70 years since you've had what we still have. Very different.

[–]hadees 52 points53 points ago

It's because you say people should stop enlisting. Saying we should end wars is a noble goal. Saying we need a smaller military is insightful. Saying no one should enlist in the military, meaning we would have no military, is asinine.

[–]Cr3atur3 55 points56 points ago

I've been in the Navy for 9 years and it's the best thing that ever happened to me. My life was on the decline, I had no skills, and I was a pussy.

Not everyone enlists for war, and not every aspect of the military is about killing. In the big picture, of course it is. But most of it is just another job. I fucking became an expert at Excel from all the admin I did, for crying out loud. Does that sound like a true warfighter?

[–]VortixTM 13 points14 points ago

It could be argued that today's hidden wars are fought with Excels and powerpoints

[–]aaOzymandias 14 points15 points ago

No, but you did support the military organization as a whole, and did your part in operating the machine. A machine that needs more then just soldiers out shooting in order to do what it does.

Take that as you want, and I can appreciate that you did it for the administrative skills etc, but working for the military in administration does not give you a "free pass" so to speak.

[–]Troll_Monkey 17 points18 points ago

Its sad that you think the military's ultimate goal is destruction. The purpose of a military is to make peace. Now, i know that sounds kinda like backwards thinking, but only because the violent side of the military has been romanticized so much by modern media. Peacekeeping (aka: police work), Humanitarian Assistance, and training other countries military organizations are also tools the military uses to maintain peace. Sure, violence is used too. But it is a means to an end, not the entire object of the organization.

[–]tankfox 3 points4 points ago

If this was peacetime I might agree with you, but seeing as how we are into our second decade of constant war, tremendously expensive constant war, I have little respect left for people who voluntarily join the military.

If you want to work for peace, join the peace corps. You don't join the military in wartime unless you want to bag your own brown person or want to use it like a welfare check. There's nothing noble left about it.

[–]NotaClipaMagazine 0 points1 point ago

Are you really that stupid? Do you think that the only reason that people join is fight in wars and not to, say, learn a trade and get paid while doing it. You're downvoted because you are an idiot who is trying to treat the symptom and not the disease.

[–]BringerOfPaine 0 points1 point ago

Saying people should stop enlisting is indeed dumb. Really dumb.

[–]article134 15 points16 points ago

a 100% volunteer military is better than any variant. Or we can live in fairy tale land where we don't need a military and defend ourselves with peace and love. Or we can live in fairy tale land where people are (dare I say) DRAFTED into service...

[–]black_cows 97 points98 points ago

Is that how this soldier died? Defending our country? Are you fucking delusional?

[–]Mr_Hank_Scorpio 36 points37 points ago

He was defending you from an Iraqi invasion. After all they easily had the capability. You know... To cross the Atlantic with their mighty Fleet.

[–]BobArdKor 5 points6 points ago

I hear they do have a lot of horses and bayonets.

[–]calle30 13 points14 points ago

yeah, you have been attacked by other countries several times in the last 20 years right ? Or do you still believe you can defend yourself against terrorist attacks with a military ?

[–]d4lm3t 24 points25 points ago

Your army did a miserable job last time your country needed defense (ie on 9/11). You are not defending your country in places like Afghanistan or Iraq - you're even making up "facts" and "enhance the truth" to find reasons for aggresively attacking these places.

[–]article134 11 points12 points ago

Nothing you have said has anything to do with my comment.

[–]EHoffman922 14 points15 points ago

An active military is unfortunately a necessity of modern life.

[–]noname-_- 113 points114 points ago

But do you really need a military that is almost as big as the all other countries' combined forces?

[–]degausser23 73 points74 points ago

There is an argument to be made that America's military and power helps facilitate world trade and order. I believe it's called Hegemonic Stability Theory. In other words, nations aren't striving to gain relative power as much (like world war 1 and 2) as long as there is one dominant state. The US's control, especially of the seas, does give a sense of order to the world which might not be there without it. Not saying I agree completely with this realist theory or that America hasn't made some serious strategic mistakes in the past, but I think there is merit to this argument that should be considered.

[–]fryjap 36 points37 points ago

Active duty navy here, you are 100% correct. I did 5 deployments from 2005 to 2010, I never shot at anybody, and I participated in more than 20 Community Relief missions across Thailand, Bahrain, and East Timor. Most of what we actually do, when deployed, is simply remind the world not to forget that we're out here. Mainly we stabilize shipping across the globe, which all major world economies benifit from.

If we didn't do our jobs, I believe the cost and risk of commercial shipping would be through the roof, and the world economies would be even more unstable.

I've only rarely encountered mariners that are unhappy about having big guns around keeping them safe. This includes Iraqi/Iranian fisherman who we frequently board. They seem to enjoy not having to worry about piracy and being able to call on us when they're in distress. Plus, we give them goodies when we finish boarding them.

edit: grammar

[–]DoUHearThePeopleSing 6 points7 points ago

This is great. Too bad not enough people think about it this way.

Btw. what kind of goodies?:)

[–]fryjap 6 points7 points ago

The most popular items we've given out have been sunglasses. Also non perishable food, candy, shirts, phonetic translation cards that they can keep so they may more easily communicate with english speaking mariners and the navy. And some good old 'merican propaganda. It's just pamphlets that say we're here to help, contact us if you're in distress, if you spot pirates or drug runners. AMERICA IS YOUR FRIEND!

[–]kak0 6 points7 points ago

Wasn't the UN supposed to achieve this?

A unipolar world is not safe for everyone, just like a town with only one man with an Abrams M1 tank is safe only for the man in the tank.

[–]Lignoba 1 point2 points ago

The UN's military capabilities are useless. For instance, during the war in Bosnia, UN peacekeepers were forbidden to fire there weapons under ANiY circumstances, including if they were witnessing a mass execution of civilians.

[–]continuousQ 17 points18 points ago

I see a big problem in there being one dominant state. They'll never face any consequences when they do wrong. And others might do right, and still be punished for it, when it doesn't favor the one dominant.

[–]degausser23 3 points4 points ago

Well there are three general theories on international relations: realism, liberalism, and constructivism. What you are advocating is liberalism--that is, the forming of networks like the UN, WTO, NATO, but yeah, NGOs and IGOs. The US was great about forming these after WW2 but kind of said screw it on the UN. America gets a bad rap. We were kind of thrust into these power positions because we were typically isolationist. You can kind of tell it with all these networks we formed trying to reign ourselves in.

[–]DoUHearThePeopleSing 2 points3 points ago

Well, yes. But what do you have on the other hand? A situation we saw during the cold war (two/three dominant states), where the world was close to literally blowing up into pieces? Or a situation we had before XX century - when there were small wars all the time?

As much as I hate people facing no consequences, I prefer peace on four continents.

[–]axehomeless 2 points3 points ago

IIRC, the most stable form in realism isnt one big player, but two like in the cold war.

[–]almostsebastian 109 points110 points ago

Considering how many people we tend to piss off? Yeah.

[–]greasyhands 55 points56 points ago

It's our oversize military and the foreign policy that it enables that does a lot of the pissing off though.

[–]kaisermatias 38 points39 points ago

Could the large military perhaps have anything to do with why so many people hate America? Just thinking out loud here.

[–]RalphiesBoogers 46 points47 points ago

Not by itself. You don't get mad at the big kid for being big. It's when he starts shoving, telling people what to do, making fun of everyone else, is when people start to resent him.

[–]heterosapian 10 points11 points ago

Except in this example the kid doesn't have to be big. Everyone else is small and/or friendly. He's taking steroids on loan from his Chinese friend for no reason.

[–]GonnaGoFarKid 11 points12 points ago

Yes! It needed to be that big during the cold war so we could prevent those Red bastards from boot stomping western Europe, and it will need to be that big to prevent the inevitable alien invasion. We will make those invaders regret being alien bastards, regret coming to Earth, and most definitely regret when the Corps blows up their raggedy-ass fleet!

[–]BLAZINGUNS 6 points7 points ago

HOORAH

[–]Megaakira 13 points14 points ago

China has the biggest military in size and north korea has the biggest per capita.

[–]Irish33 13 points14 points ago

I think what we need to work on is less the size of our army, and more the fact we worship it

[–]laddergoat89 23 points24 points ago

Not the the scale you guys have it. There is also no legit conflict at the moment that necessitates it being in active combat.

[–]beej_ 8 points9 points ago

We believe in policing the world.

[–]Napoleon_Borntoparty 25 points26 points ago

We believe in policing the world. When it benefits our interests.

[–]suicidemachine 13 points14 points ago

That's actually right. The US doesn't police the world, they just protect their interests, that's how it always worked in politics. People should stop pretending like the US is the only country who does that.

[–]Napoleon_Borntoparty 14 points15 points ago

Absolutely. Nobody ever went to war for anything other than their own interests (or at least the interests of the people who are making the decisions).

The US certainly isn't the only country that does this. But it's one of the best (in the modern world) at convincing its populace that they're doing it for a noble reason.

[–]plasker6 0 points1 point ago

Dirty cops can still do police work... right?

[–]beej_ 5 points6 points ago

We believe in democracy---when it means we can drill your lands for oil.

[–]laddergoat89 14 points15 points ago

Why? It's not your job or your responsibility to police the world. You're not the judge jury and executioner of the planet. Or at least, you shouldn't be.

[–]beej_ 23 points24 points ago

I didn't say I endorsed it. Just a fact.

[–]treenaks 4 points5 points ago

You believe wrong.

[–]steakmeout 8 points9 points ago

Why do you say "americans" when it's the whole modern world? Name me one developed nation who doesn't have some 'highly respected' form of military service? Name me one developing nation who doesn't have a military?

You can't. I'm Australian but the anti-American context here at Reddit really pisses me off.

[–]necrodude 13 points14 points ago

I'm not saying it's good or bad but you don't see this type of pride in Australia.

[–]jrdn717 4 points5 points ago

I think the younger generations are starting to not like war as much now that there is so much access to information. We actually know why we are at war and what is going on over there.

Before the internet you just really had to believe what the government wanted you to hear

[–]Fhom 2 points3 points ago

Hopefully this will lead to a better educated generation... And less of those heartbreaking tales.

[–]LeszekSwirski 71 points72 points ago

I agree. If you don't want to die, don't want to kill, don't want your loved ones to cry at your early funeral, then don't join the armed forces. I appreciate that a country needs an army (though not one of the scale that America has), but I don't understand who would join it when the country's borders are safe, except the brainwashed, the desperate, and the psychopathic.

[–]Eislauferkucken 9 points10 points ago

I know a few that have joined simply to pay for college.

[–]Minjoph 12 points13 points ago

That's one good reason to spend less money on the army and make sure everyone gains access to free college, instead of having to pay for it. The idea of having to pay for college, in my mind, is pretty strange.

Edit: This becomes extra strange to me when I think further on this. You pay people to learn how to use a weapon or other things to protect your country (I admit that you do learn a lot of generally good skills in the military, not just how to kill). However, if you want to be a doctor and serve your country by taking care of your sick, wounded and elderly, not only do you not get paid, you actually have to pay for it. That, right there, sounds a bit like madness to me. Being from Sweden, I don't have to pay for my studies at my university and if I can manage my studies I actually get some allowance (if that is the correct word in the context, I don't know).

[–]LeszekSwirski 20 points21 points ago

Count that under "desperate". You don't have money, so out of all the options you choose to join an organisation centred around teaching you how to kill other people, and then sending you somewhere to do it.

[–]Fhom 1 point2 points ago

Oh thank you, that's exactly my point.

[–]LeszekSwirski 0 points1 point ago

I've spent a very long time thinking about this, so I'm getting pretty good at phrasing it. It tends to be a controversial opinion at best, but I think a lot of people would agree if they allowed themselves to think about it, and weren't afraid of re-evaluating this deeply ingrained feeling of "soldiers are martyrs".

[–]Robincognito 10 points11 points ago

Why Americans only?

[–]mapkinase 0 points1 point ago

No, the quote is still wrong.

when the country's borders are safe

not only are safe, in this case you have Finland, or pretty much 95% of all countries.

Not only the borders are safe, but also the insane camarilla that rules this country want to impose their rule, their law, their morals, their way of life, their values or absence of those to the other country by bombing from drones, by maiming the children of this country, by imprisoning thought, by extrajudicial killing, by outsourced torture

You have to be of certain kind of person to join such an army.

Those pictures you periodically put on the front page: they are disgusting, reddit. Nothing but disgusting.

[–]r0cketx 7 points8 points ago

supporting the US military is different than support a war.

having a military is and always will be a good thing for purpose of defense.

war is bad. soldiers are good.

[–]idk112345 8 points9 points ago

what makes soldiers inherently good?

[–]sonickid101 14 points15 points ago

Love for the military has nothing to do with it. Americans admire, respect, and love the men and women who serve in the military but I and many other Americans hate the war, and the foreign policies. Unfortunately the anti-war left is hamstrung by the fact that we have a Democratic president so they give him a pass when they should be pushing for more reform which is why I'm a Libertarian. We outleft the left and outright the right. End ALL the wars and bring our troops home from overseas today from Korea, from Japan, from Germany, from Iraq, from Afghanistan. Then maybe pictures like this will only take place in wars that have been declared by the people through their elected representatives.

[–]STLReddit 76 points77 points ago

Wanted to upvote you for the 1st part, but the rest is why libertarians will never be taken seriously. There are reasons we have troops stationed in other nations. Not only do the governments of those nations want us there, but that presence does more good than harm. N. Korea, for instance, is not going to invade S. Korea when 25,000 US troops are there and tens of thousands more are within a few days reinforcements from Japan. We've pulled out of Iraq and will be leaving Afghanistan in 2014 already. People love to hate the military because in the end its a force designed to kill, but don't ignore the good it does and all the bad that could have happened that hasn't because of them.

[–]ArtSmass 18 points19 points ago

I agree. Last time I checked S. Korea is doing great and N. Korea is a shitshow to say the least. If we didn't help I doubt it would be good.

[–]yellowcushion 11 points12 points ago

Libertarianism is about as fair and equal as anarchy. It sounds good on paper but in practice would be a complete mess. The world will never function like it does in an Ayn Rand novel, that's just fantasy.

[–]BenderTime 0 points1 point ago

It sounds good on paper but in practice would be a complete mess.

Sounds like the current state we are in to me.

[–]stonecoldmorrison 5 points6 points ago

Not trying to throw off but when a majority of Americans dislike war then they should make sure that their governments doesnt prefer it. How many time have the public protests has led to a decision change in war? 0.

[–]degausser23 5 points6 points ago

I think the problem stems from the monopoly of our two parties (oligopoly). One could argue it's almost a cartel. Both actively shut out third party alternatives as it is in their best interest, and It is sometimes scary how closely they line up on certain important issues like government expansion. It's all a bit of a show put on to placate the masses; not to be conspiratorial, but American politicians often treat us like idiots and lie. Most of us with brains know that they won't fulfill their promises when they get into office, but there is just no viable alternative. Look at the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. Both started out as independent movements before they were commandeered by the Republicans and Dems respectively.

[–]Wrath_Of_Aguirre 5 points6 points ago

You see people grieving death and immediately your mind turns to politics?

[–]Mindgate 5 points6 points ago

I am by no means an expert, but in my opinion the whole military complex in the US is also a huge catch net for poor people. If you have no education and no money and no food, join the military and they take care of you.

Unfortunately you also get to see combat. In most other countries those two (military and a chance for poor, uneducated people) are already separated.

So I kinda see the reason to join the military in the US, but the disadvantages are mainly being disabled or dead.

[–]JDaRipper 30 points31 points ago

Why do young guys join the army ? Serious question

[–]Myzeke 36 points37 points ago

Massive benefits. Some people are VERY underprivileged. My grandpa signed up so he would have a place to sleep.

[–]Popzagon 14 points15 points ago

that pay check, free school, some even do it to see the world

[–]rockpoodle 15 points16 points ago

This subreddit has turned into fucking facebook.

[–]cuppincayk 29 points30 points ago

Okay, I'm just getting a little tired of seeing this picture. First of all, it is old, second of all, people voluntarily join the military. There isn't a draft. There hasn't been one since Vietnam. Yes, it's tragic that his brother died, but he volunteered for this knowing the risks.

[–]ethos2011 3 points4 points ago

Everyone thinks they know the risks. Every combat arms guy knows that they could die in war, that shits easy to deal with; what's hard to deal with is watching your friends die and you living with that, or fathoming what the people who care about you will do when you die. Regular people refuse to even approach that subject in less dire circumstances. So saying a 20-something year old male serviceman's death doesn't warrant attention because he chose that option is like it's needless to mourn a civilians death in a traffic accident because they chose to drive.

[–]GamerSDG 3 points4 points ago

Where you from? I ask because I live in a poor area and the military recruiters are relentless. They also come to our high school, driving BMW's wearing Rolex watches, with the coolest phone at that time. Tell yous about the GI bill, and how they pay for your housing and bills. Not once do the mention that when you sign on that dotted line that you might never come back.

My question to you when you were teen (I assume your older) did you think you were going to die? They promise these kids things that there parents and the people and that area don't have. Good money and a better life. It may be true but they never tell them that they could die for it. Sorry this is a touchy subject for me. I am not against the military at all. I just don't like there recruiting tactics.

[–]hunajavehje 5 points6 points ago

No one forces you to go there?

[–]evillozer 12 points13 points ago

Volunteer Army.

[–]Konnoryuu 3 points4 points ago

Wow, to think all I would have to do is repost something from imgur's top images to make the front page and get free karma.

[–]Moertel 4 points5 points ago

Why is /r/pics turning into my Facebook feed?

[–]jkarlson 9 points10 points ago

this shit is like 100 years old

[–]madamdepomp 40 points41 points ago

This hit me hard. My brother is on tour in Afghanistan and I never got to say goodbye to him because I'm away from home for college.

I hope I won't have to say goodbye to him when he comes back.

[–]sordida 5 points6 points ago

I can't even call my bro in Afghanistan. If I even allow myself to think about all the feels, I'm .... you get the idea.

[–]stuckinthepow 34 points35 points ago

War. What is it good for?

[–]cassidymoon 14 points15 points ago

Conquering a country. BAM. You're in the danger-zone

[–]MooseBear 5 points6 points ago

DANGER ZONE!

[–]Dioptaze 29 points30 points ago

Absolutely nothing....

[–]mastermike14 22 points23 points ago

say it again

[–]Mxblinkday 8 points9 points ago

Y'all

[–]jabbaj7 4 points5 points ago

we're fighting in somebody else's war

[–]CodyHogan01 3 points4 points ago

Well, fuck. It really is too bad that the government forced that guy to join the military and go to Iraq.

[–]TowrsFallnPepleDyin 5 points6 points ago

He should of thought of his family before you signed up to be a disposable pawn.

[–]A_British_Gentleman 22 points23 points ago

Wow, I just hopped on Reddit to take 5, and this is top of my frontpage.

Now I'm sad.

[–]Magical_Mushrooms 34 points35 points ago

Take 5 on reddit? You must be new.

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[–]kkkarlftw 5 points6 points ago

or days..

[–]spryes 10 points11 points ago

Two kinds of propaganda

ftfy

[–]redmachined 2 points3 points ago

End the wars.

[–]Quarkiee 0 points1 point ago

Fuck all these wars!

[–]damosk 3 points4 points ago

Two kinds of repost.

[–]TwiggieStardust 2 points3 points ago

And this can be easily prevented..

[–]Kinglink 1 point2 points ago

How about we have another picture, of a son saying good bye to his father, and the son crying learning that his father was killed by a drone strike....

The Afghanistan war's still on going, let's stop deceiving ourselves that it's suddenly right now that Americans aren't dying as much. If a Republican was in office, we wouldn't be able to stop hearing about the Drone strikes currently on going. But currently we're letting the Obama Administration get away with out commenting on us killing innocent foreign people and instead pretending this election is abortion, or big bird, while we let our commander in chief kill people.

Let's hold our elected officials accountable no matter if they are Democrat or Republican.

The fact that the "educated" people that were anti-war 4 years ago, have not protested in the last four years, or screamed for an end to murder just shows they are partisan. It's a shame that complaining about the war and murder was just a political tactic that will likely come back if Romney gets Elected, but remains hidden until that date. Fuck American Politics.

[–]RichardSaunders 3 points4 points ago

If your feelings are an overwhelming mix of sadness and rage, then our feelings are similar.

[–]ttt1776 3 points4 points ago

Fuck Our Wars. This should have never happened.

[–]Skooma420 6 points7 points ago

Does that kid even lift?

[–]_Samiel_ 6 points7 points ago

How many fucking times is this going to be reposted to make me sad all over again?

[–]SamuelRAnger 26 points27 points ago

So wait... America still thinks having a huge army is in their favor? Shit, that became a running joke to the rest of the world in like 2006. You do not have the economy to support it, it is most likely a war of resources, since the terrorist threat has been taken care off, by killing all off the leaders (Except for one, that did not "show up on the radar" until all the others were assassinated, quite convenient if you ask me). I say like some US president once said: All those who vote in favor of war should be forced to enlist. Kind of puts things into perspective if you ask me.

[–]bellinghamsters 4 points5 points ago

I was expecting something funny... Ouch.

[–]ItsPrisonTime 3 points4 points ago

Same, expecting the second picture to be the punchline.

And then I saw the kid brother kissing the casket.

That was brutal. I physically felt my gut wrench.

[–]AdaroTeiji 6 points7 points ago

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it's a very powerful set of images that hits me every time. On the other hand, this feels like kind of underhanded way of reposting something that no one could downvote without feeling like terrible human beings

[–]Belutak 5 points6 points ago

if he didnt go to occupy foregin independent country he would probably be alive. not very polite to say something like this at this moment but i think it needs to be said more often in this kind of situations, it could save some lives

[–]zarlanga 12 points13 points ago

He shouldnt have enlisted if he didnt want to die. captain hindsight out

[–]Alexanderh86 6 points7 points ago

Not this shit again.

[–]permareddit 1 point2 points ago

This is just terrible...when will we ever learn.

[–]YakobTheAwesome 2 points3 points ago

A post from Ultimate-Guitar. Interesting.

[–]626 0 points1 point ago

When there is no more money to be made, is when the military will be put to an end along with all the wars ...

[–]the_frail 2 points3 points ago

No, this made me cry, I lost a family member in Afghanistan. RIP

[–]Kicker_Doomstah 2 points3 points ago

Why was he in Iraq again? Is that his country?

[–]vaselinepete 2 points3 points ago

Here's the thing.

I see pictures like this and I feel like my heart will break. But, then my mind starts wandering...

The soldier should have prepared his/her family for the chance of death. Joining the army = going to war = risk of death. Of course, not every soldier goes to war, but most do. I think people need to give more thought to their families before they sign on the dotted line.

And there's the whole 'hero' thing.

Let's say a soldier isn't killed, but is injured, badly. The media will expect us to call them a hero. But are they?

Is getting hurt at work (in a job where potentially getting hurt is a daily thing) enough to make someone a hero?

If that soldier did something extraordinary and helped/saved other people, then fine, they ARE a hero. But a guy who steps on a mine, or gets hit by a bullet while doing the job they willingly signed up for, fully conscious that they will be putting themselves in danger? That's not heroism.

I know many of you will disagree with me, but I do find it galling that the media expects us to greet everyone who has ever put a uniform on, as a hero.

Support the soldiers, not the war.

[–]SparkyDogPants 4 points5 points ago

Holy crap, I know that guy. I remember when this happened, I've never seen someone so heartbroken in their life :\

[–]rockpoodle 4 points5 points ago

I've never seen someone so heartbroken in their life

Have you ever seen a fat man presented with a plate full of vegetables and leafy greens?

[–]SparkyDogPants 6 points7 points ago

"That's what the food eats"

[–]Wrath_Of_Aguirre 0 points1 point ago

You still in touch with him? How has he coped with it since then?

[–]Raiyni 5 points6 points ago

Old as fuck repost.

[–]ifailallday 2 points3 points ago

US needs to stop putting our nose to other countries business serious. I fully support our troops but I don't agree why they are sent to harms way.

[–]Zhumanchu 8 points9 points ago

There need to be more juxtapositions like this. It's damn effective.

[–]lydocia 6 points7 points ago

By means of anti-war propaganda?

Edit: Comments and downvotes show confusion, so I'll clarify.

What I meant by this comment is, if an image like this were to be spread, it would send a very strong anti-war feeling throughout the people. My comment was formed as a question, because I wanted to invite people to respond with their opinion on the matter.

[–]RockDrill 3 points4 points ago

The reality of someone dying is hardly propaganda.

[–]Abedeus 0 points1 point ago

LIBERAAAAAL LIIEEEESSSSS.

[–]Cabinessenceking 8 points9 points ago

Congrats America on sending this poor kid to his death for no reason. (downvote me plz nationalists)

[–]conspiracy_thug 1 point2 points ago

heavy.

[–]gbuuun 1 point2 points ago

goddammit, karma whore is reposting old shit.

this was a great picture up until maybe the 5th time someone put it up...

[–]TheKingLeonidas 1 point2 points ago

These pictures probably won't have the same effect on you guys that they do on me, but they are still very powerful.

Holy shit this guy's a natural born redditor

[–]evangelosg 4 points5 points ago

Having a brother, the second I looked at this I fell apart. War is the worst. *edit, thank you for sharing.

[–]liveinmymind 5 points6 points ago

This is powerful stuff.

[–]Samopotamus 10 points11 points ago

...the first fifty times it was posted.

[–]Sutekhseth 4 points5 points ago

REPOST GET THIS SHIT OFF THE FRONT PAGE.

[–]djdule 5 points6 points ago

Please do not get me wrong, death of a human being is horrible. But he was deployed with army, which means he went to war, to kill or be killed. People should stop serving in military.

[–]BrutallyHonestDude 3 points4 points ago

Old rich men declare war while young men die.

[–]yhelothere 3 points4 points ago

not that shit again

[–]camy-vedder 1 point2 points ago

War is pointless

[–]Lekkers 4 points5 points ago

Pow. Right in the feels.

[–]mark445 37 points38 points ago

No better way to express it than with a tired, overused internet phrase.

[–]sscrofulous 3 points4 points ago

George Bush and his cronies should be in The Hague, those motherfuckers. This is heartbreaking.