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[–]Toshiro_Mifune 51 points52 points ago

He had one?

I must go.

[–]FugginIpad 8 points9 points ago

I started one-on-one talk therapy two weeks ago. It is ______ helpful. If you are considering doing it,

  • I encourage you not to wait.
  • I encourage you to listen to The Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast.
  • I encourage you to google search "low fee therapy"

[–]lediablerouge 14 points15 points ago

That was kind of my feeling actually. I keep getting pushed towards getting one bu I keep rejecting it on the grounds that it feels weak. If Einstein had one though...

[–]Rustysporkman 45 points46 points ago

If I might argue: which is weaker? Denying that you have a problem and letting it fester or swallowing your pride, admitting things aren't wgere you eant them, and trying to work on them?

[–]snorch 14 points15 points ago

THINGS ARE NOT WGERE I EANT THEM

[–]Rustysporkman 1 point2 points ago

Typing on my phone. Don't proofread. Whoops.

[–]luminosity11 11 points12 points ago

I like you

[–]Soul_0f_Wit 5 points6 points ago

Personally, I think we should see psychologists for checkups the same way that we see medical doctors. It should be a regular thing, so there's no stigma and you're more likely to get help at the first sign of trouble rather than waiting for something major to push you over the edge. I think one of the things preventing mental illness from being seen as normal as body illness is private insurance companies which don't want to shell out for it.

[–]ConsummateK 1 point2 points ago

Please spread this gospel. As someone who spend 3 years convincing their girlfriend to go to a therapist (who didn't want to because she thought she shouldn't need it) the way I finally got through to her was to explain that the stronger choice was own up to what she needed and address her issues.

[–]Rphenom 1 point2 points ago

The problem here is that I fear that I would end up in a facility... though one could argue if you think you're insane then you aren't insane because if you're insane then you don't think you're insane but I don't buy that for a second... plus it's not as though I am denying the existence of a problem per se.... just not acting on it by seeking external help but instead trying to help myself.

Yes I realise I could have said this elsewhere but I started typing you a response then I ended up with this.

[–]Rustysporkman 1 point2 points ago

An analogy:

My sister is a doctor. Just a few days ago, a patient came in with a terribly infected foot. He had tried taking care of it himself, but didn't have the tools or expertise to really know what to do. Thus, even though he knew there was a problem, and simply didn't take the proper steps, he lost his foot. Had to have it cut off almost to the ankle. This actually happened.

So basically, if he had just thought, "Hmm, that ain't right. I should take this to someone," he'd probably still have his entire foot. Sure, he could have still lost it. But he lost it anyway, because he didn't seek help.

Plus, you have to be really fucked up to be involuntarily placed in an institution. I sincerely doubt, no matter what you think, that you're that far gone.

[–]Rphenom -2 points-1 points ago

I may be wrong.. but I am under the impression that one would be involuntary institutionalised if they were considered a threat to their own self or others. I could definitely be classified as both of those things.. I will stick with my poking my infected foot, thanks.

[–]Toshiro_Mifune 12 points13 points ago

Weakness?

It's a time/money thing for me.

[–]danthemango 3 points4 points ago

maybe you should sell your humbleness for his money

[–]Toshiro_Mifune 3 points4 points ago

I'd be rich.

[–]library_of_babel 9 points10 points ago

money thing for me.

A fellow American. Hi!

[–]HudsonsirhesHicks 1 point2 points ago

I've been in weekly analysis or lighter CBT style therapy for the last 5 years. No shame. Its a fantastic benefit to my mental wellbeing. Like you go for a jog or a hike to flex and stretch your body - therapy is the same for your psyche.

Depending on which state you live and your income level - if you don't have insurance mental health is usually covered by state healthcare.

Here in Vermont i be only ever payed a weekly copay of 10$ a session. I'd recommend it to anyone.

[–]DRATM 1 point2 points ago

As someone in the same sort of position, hear this: make the sacrifices, save the pennies, and find the time. It is worth it.

I was only able to afford a handful of cognitive behavioral therapy sessions before needing to fall back and save again. Even so, I was given valuable tools to use every day, and I was challenged to put words and thought to things that were only memories and emotions. A few sessions changed my life for the best, and I'm not even that fucked up.

[–]FrostedCereal 1 point2 points ago

It's free over here in the UK and Europe.

[–]elliya 0 points1 point ago

Wait, that's actually not true. At least in Austria, and I guess in a couple of other countries, too, it is only true if you have a major issue going on, that health insurance approves of. When I went through a minor depression and needed help to not get into a major depression, I had to pay for it myself.

[–]Slactor 3 points4 points ago

Get one, therapists have nothing to do with weakness.

[–]SketchyBones 0 points1 point ago

Seriously - they're the best. You never realize how much you really just want to vent and get off your chest until you finally start talking away during a session. I tell even my relatively "pulled together" friends that they're worth it every now and then.

[–]ilikpankaks -1 points0 points ago

Or try reading text books by psychologists. I know Rogers was all over the idea of making the psychologist understand themselves before going anywhere near a patient. Read the books if you like that better =D

[–]kahirsch 77 points78 points ago

True caption: (L-R) Cord Meyer Jr., president of United World Federalists, Inc., visiting physicist Albert Einstein at his home to discuss Russia's attitude toward world government.

1948 Alfred Eisenstadt

According to Wikipedia, Meyer joined the CIA shortly after this.

[–]teeelo 12 points13 points ago

It would appear no one likes your story, in favour of the one they can relate to.

[–]dilepton 3 points4 points ago

right.... fuck off with the truth... I am comparing myself to einstein right now!

[–]cadmal 2 points3 points ago

Einstein must be rolling in his grave at this moment. Well, relatively speaking.

[–]Qkombur 1 point2 points ago

I had this sneaking suspicion that the title wasn't true.

[–]rusty__shakleford 318 points319 points ago

it has occurred to me watching shows like Sherlock Holmes that people with this kind of mind must have an exhausting existence. To be constantly thinking about things exponentially more complex than the normal person while still having to interact with normal people would have been frustrating on so many levels.

also, he has the same look my dog does after he pees on the carpet.

[–]axehomeless 93 points94 points ago

"Oh Watson, whats going on in that funny little brain of yours, it must be so boring."

[–]Pravusmentis 11 points12 points ago

Having just finished the complete sherlock holmes collection I must say that I don't remember reading that.

[–]crummy_water_tower 45 points46 points ago

It's from the BBC show Sherlock, which is very, very good.

[–]staythepath 36 points37 points ago

You forgot 18 of the very's.

[–]AcesCharles2 5 points6 points ago

Consummate v's. Consummate.

[–]dydbyb 6 points7 points ago

Trogdor?

[–]AcesCharles2 2 points3 points ago

Yes.

[–]Windows_98 1 point2 points ago

Very yes.

[–]ConsummateK 1 point2 points ago

Hmm?

[–]civilianjones -2 points-1 points ago

It's not. GIVE ME THY DOWNVOTES

[–]crummy_water_tower 1 point2 points ago

Just because I respect you for expressing such an obviously incorrect opinion, I gave you an upvote instead.

[–]civilianjones 2 points3 points ago

Fine, I'll downvote myself to correct for your obviously incorrect action. :-P

[–]calchuchesta 0 points1 point ago

I've heard it in the tv version.

[–]tugtugerin 54 points55 points ago

You're right. Additionally, those with extremely creative and intelligent minds tend to be much more likely to have any number of mental illnesses. It seems to come with the package in a lot of cases.

[–]rusty__shakleford 15 points16 points ago

i think the same holds true for people who are extremely driven and successful.

For instance, someone like Nick Saban (College Football Coach in United States) is essentially at the pinnacle of his profession and by all accounts works towards being successful with his every waking minute. Were he not pouring his energy into football it might very well be into some other compulsion that does not translate as well to professional success. Drinking perhaps. Compulsive shopping or eating. Compulsive gambling. Or if had chosen it maybe being that obsessive researcher who discovers some medical breakthrough.

I agree with you that their brain is probably wired differently than most and that in many instances it will manifest in some type of mental illness that may or may not be apparent depending on how it is channeled.

[–]Neepho 3 points4 points ago

Source?

[–]audiocontrol 26 points27 points ago

Here is one that I found discussing this issue. It's really long so if you want to just read about mental issues then CTRL F "Madness and Magnificence" to get to the right section.

[–]Tactful 4 points5 points ago

I read a study about this too. I think people are downvoting you because it seems like you're glorifying mental illness, but I think there's truth in it. The most creative, "genius" people I know are all subtly fucked up. I think there's at least a correlation.

[–]audiocontrol 5 points6 points ago

I think you might be on to something. But I don't mind the downvotes, it gives people a way to express that they disagree with something which is great because everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.

[–]Apollo704 0 points1 point ago

It sounds like you're implying causation. Be careful there are a lot of factors

[–]BANANARCHY 2 points3 points ago

Paywall :(

[–]audiocontrol 43 points44 points ago

Madness and Magnificence

Researchers have long been tantalized by the question of whether the biological endowment of a genius also confers great setbacks. Greek philosopher Aristotle is reputed to have said, “Those who have become eminent in philosophy, politics, poetry and the arts have all had tendencies toward melancholia.” This idea received wide currency in the 19th and 20th centuries at the hands of psychiatrists and psychoanalysts. Among the great writers, Virginia Woolf, Anne Sexton and Sylvia Plath all committed suicide. Vincent van Gogh did as well, and earlier he had cut off part of his ear to give to a prostitute. Newton sometimes suffered from extreme paranoia, and Galileo, possibly an alcoholic, was often bedridden with depression. Nevertheless, many psychologists have argued that such cases are the exceptions, not the rule. Some positive psychologists today consider creative genius a human strength or virtue.

My 2005 review of the literature, which summarized studies with varied methodologies, indicates that the association between genius and mental illness has considerable strength. Very creative writers tend to obtain higher scores on the psychopathology-related parts of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, a widely accepted personality test. A study using another instrument, the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire, found that extremely creative artists—and high-impact psychologists, for that matter—tend to receive elevated scores on the test's psychoticism scale, meaning that they are, among other things, egocentric, cold, impulsive, aggressive and tough-minded. Last, highly eminent scientists score higher on sections of the Cattell 16 Personality Factor Questionnaire that signify they are withdrawn, solemn, internally preoccupied, precise and critical. All told, top performers are not a very normal bunch.

Psychiatric studies bolster these results. The rate and intensity of certain psychopathic symptoms, such as depression and alcoholism, are noticeably higher in very creative individuals than in the general population. Research also suggests that these divergent thinkers are more likely to come from family lines at higher risk for psychopathology. Even if an extraordinary innovator is “normal,” his or her family members may not be.

In line with these findings, in 2009 psychiatrist Szabolcs Kéri of Semmelweis University in Hungary found a genetic basis for both creativity and psychosis in a variant of the Neuregulin 1 gene. In this study, Kéri recruited a group of highly creative individuals and found that the participants who had this specific gene variant, which is linked with an increased risk of developing a mental disorder, also scored higher on measures of creativity.

Out-and-out psychosis, however, can shut down creative genius. This tragic reality was dramatically illustrated in the 2001 film A Beautiful Mind, the biopic about Nobel laureate John Forbes Nash and his struggles with schizophrenia. The costs and burdens of psychological dysfunction are also immediately apparent in the art of the mentally ill, such as the works preserved in the Prinzhorn Collection in Heidelberg, done by psychiatric patients in the early 20th century. Few if any of these artworks show signs of genius. Quoting Dryden again, “wits are sure to madness near allied, and thin partitions do their bounds divide.”

Recent research conducted by psychologist Shelley Carson of Harvard University and her colleagues has sought to identify these thin partitions. Creative achievement is positively associated both with cognitive disinhibition—openness to supposedly extraneous ideas, images or stimuli—and higher intelligence and greater working memory. These mental capacities can potentially ameliorate the negative effects of disinhibition and even channel them to more useful ends. This synergy may well constitute the cognitive basis for serendipity. Not everybody would be able to work out the profound implications of such humdrum events as water overflowing a bathtub or an apple falling from a tree. But Archimedes and Newton did. [For more on creativity and eccentricity, see “The Unleashed Mind,” by Shelley Carson; SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN MIND, May/June 2011.]

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[–]fringeffect -5 points-4 points ago

Life magazine, as it says on the bottom of the picture...

[–]jared030858 -4 points-3 points ago

not necessarily mental illnesses, its more like harsh boring or depressive lives. Its just like comparing the football player who goes and has fun and enjoys life and parties, to the kid who studies, wonders and is brilliant but feels bored and tired much of the time. When you're a genius its a harsh life. Not many people can appease your intellectual appetite with their conversations....aigh....but I digress..

[–]z0ltanz0ltan -1 points0 points ago

I can completely understand that.

[–]IggySmiles 16 points17 points ago

I don't think even Einstein was anything like Sherlock Holmes.

I think Einstein's existence was much more similar to a normal human's, with a higher comprehensive ability and flashes of brilliance. Einstein himself said he wasn't much smarter than people, he just stuck with problems for longer. Holmes's experience is probably impossibly smart for any human.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a physicist and have a giant Einstein poster on my wall and he is a hero of mine. He is amazing.

[–]holyice7 6 points7 points ago

I think Einstein was almost certainly smarter than a grand majority of humans, though he may not have been any more clever, in certain terms. There were things he deeply regretted as a result of his research, such as the atomic bombings; mistakes any person had the capacity to make, but were far more devastating to him for the scale on which they existed.

Though Holmes, as a fictional character, is probably outside any real metric, the idea of him thinking on a different scale is reasonable.

[–]jared030858 2 points3 points ago

You are correct, the other guys havent studied enough. Einsteins IQ was 120-150 or something nothing extreme, he was close to the average human who learned more and from that could comprehend more complex thoughts than the people who go about their day to day lives.

[–]Qkombur 1 point2 points ago

The majority of breakthroughs in science is due to hard work. To me when people say Einstein is a genius, it's just taking away the idea he worked hard at his problems.

[–]Hoxen 9 points10 points ago

I myself am a subscriber to the notion "I'd rather know (as much as possible) and be unhappy, than not know and be happy."

Wether Einstein himself saw it that way is of course, a whole other matter.

[–]jspsfx 7 points8 points ago

I don't understand why you would choose unhappiness.

[–]Hoxen 8 points9 points ago

So that I could know. Thats just me, I want to know, as much as possible. If that knowledge makes me unhappy emotionally I still want to know. I want to understand. This very phenomenon can be applied to browsing reddit. I see a link titled "Puppy run over by car (GORE)", and I know that it will make me uneasy. But yet I click it, so that I know what it was.

Thats just me though.

[–]lilacbear 1 point2 points ago

Yeah I'm exactly the same way, I don't know why you got downvotes for that. I'd also rather be unhappy and know as much as possible then just live in a happy glazed over bubble where nothing ever goes wrong and all is always well.

You might like /r/morbidreality .

[–]tcman201 0 points1 point ago

dead_dove.jpg

[–]Klerezooi 0 points1 point ago

You just become happy when you learn things, this outweighs the negative aspect of learning them, there will however allmost definately be a point where you will regret learning certain things. I know I reached that point on a bad shroom trip, yes, I did learn more and experience more and I am happy for that, but that did not compete with having the most intense desire to die for half an hour straight.

[–]teeelo 2 points3 points ago

"I don't' understand"

Say no more.

[–]ThatbeardedGerman 0 points1 point ago

I take satisfaction from knowledge over happiness any day.

[–]BlazeOrangeDeer 0 points1 point ago

I don't understand why you would choose ignorance ;)

[–]nonhiphipster 1 point2 points ago

Its not choosing unhappiness...its choosing knowledge over ignorance.

Of course, this is merely a hypothetical "choice."

[–]litaleeter 1 point2 points ago

You know, sometimes I just wish I didn't know. I'd be a much happier person if I were absolutely clueless. I'm not sure there is a choice in the matter, really. As much as it depresses me to know what I know about people and the world, I don't think it's likely that I can simply ignore it in an effort to be happier. I think it's more important to know these things so that we can try to change them. And I don't think it's very likely that someone who's clueless will suddenly one day decide that he/she wants to be more aware. Obviously, things can go either way with either type of person, but I think most people don't change. Most people like to be comfortable.

[–]DiscountPonies 1 point2 points ago

I consider myself a very driven individual. I'm self-employed, have been for close to 5 years now. I'm very driven to be successful on my own accord, to use my creativity and originality to do something that alot of others can't. I started a company from my couch while wearing pajamas, and I've turned it from a one person operation with virtually no capital into a 4 person operation grossing close to a half-million each year.

I'm proud of that, but there's alot of stress that comes along with it, both from a financial/business perspective, and from a personal point of view as well.

I'm constantly thinking about work, from the moment I wake up until I go to bed, and it takes alot of work to really "kick back" and not think about business. Sometimes if I'm laying back on my couch watching a movie, I find myself obsessed with checking my phone for emails and trying to solve problems that are still open.

I don't have a normal 9-5. I have friends that come home at 5 and don't think about work until they go back in the next day. They're content. They're happy. I'm not saying I'm unhappy, but I'm saying I'm more stressed than they are.

Problem is, when I previously worked those 9-5 office jobs I was miserable. I hated it. I kept on thinking of ways to get out, creative things I could do to branch off on my own and start my own company ... now I know the stress that goes along with it.

It's a Catch 22. If I work a 9-5, I'm miserable because I'm not doing more. If I work on my own, I'm miserable because of the stress.

A part of me genuinely wishes I was content with having a "good job", working there from 9-5, and not having the ambition to do more. I feel I'd have more joy, less stress. Not that people working 9-5s are "ignorant", but I feel ignorance truly is bliss in alot of ways.

I'm not comparing myself to Einstein or anything, but this thread made me want to share my story ... if for nothing more than personal therapeutic reasons.

[–]rusty__shakleford 0 points1 point ago

very familiar story to my own although i didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stick it out after i went out on my own.

i worked for a bank - got to the point to where i would just drive around at lunch wishing i didn't have to go back. constantly felt like i should be doing some more creative or challenging. build something. eat what i kill.

eventually started a business that kind of floated along for a while but then got an opportunity that i couldn't pass up so i went back to being an employee. don't regret that but i still have the urge to create something.

i am impressed with your success. not many people understand the view from the top. heavy is the head that wears the crown and all. definitely takes a different type of wiring in your brain to be able to do something like that.

[–]DoctorWhoToYou 0 points1 point ago

I can't stand 9 to 5s and I can't stand going to the same place every day. This has resulted in me having nothing but respect for people like press operators or office workers. I could probably work a job like that for a week before I went nuts and quit.

I try my best to stick to field service technician/engineer positions. While I may be working on the same equipment on a daily basis, I am doing it in a different location and the problems with the equipment always vary from location to location.

I am happy being a lower paid field service engineer, than being a higher paid design engineer. I can do both, but I can't sit in an office behind a computer working on a CAD system or on schematics, it's just not in me. I am a hands-on person.

I don't ever stop thinking about what I am working on either. The last job I had, the process of the machines was constantly running through my head. If it wasn't a primary thought, it was a process running in the background while I was doing something else. The home-office used to call me with a problem and give me some time to solve it.

I would be doing something like making a grilled cheese sandwich, working on my personal computer or something of that nature all while that thought pattern was running in the background. Then it would just hit me and I would call them with a solution. I can and have come up with a solution while not even actively thinking about the problem.

The problem is, that doesn't shut off. I have long bouts of insomnia, I have trouble concentrating on some things and it has sincere effects on my social ability. If you present me with a problem, even a mild one, my mind runs constantly until I can come up with a solution. That's why personal relationships are so rough for me. When a woman alerts me to even a minor issue in our relationship, even if she has just accepted it, my mind runs non-stop in order to find a solution. It ends up degrading the relationship because I can't come to terms with it, because there may be no solution. That is the best way I can explain it.

Therapy helps. There have been other factors in my life that have resulted in me relying on therapy, and a lot of other factors that have lead me to the point where personal relationships are difficult for me. In all those cases, a third party, independent person is the best to talk to.

[–]HudsonsirhesHicks 0 points1 point ago

I'm in nearly the sane boat as you man - about 7 years in. About a year or so ago I started to get sick from the stress and poor lifestyle that comes from how we work.

I knew what the cause was but I really felt like there was nothing I could do to work less or stress less - if anything I needed to do more, be more organized, juggle more client work - etc

Then something snapped. It was subtle but I noticed it almost immediately. It wasn't like one of those epiphanies everyone likes to say happens - but was a slowly dawning realization that the "work" would always be there - and it will get done. And that I needed to take time to balance my life. I'm no Buddha and I'm still way off from the lifestyle id like - but now I get up and Instead of going right to my desk, I go to the gym or for a jog, I walk my dog and eat breakfast quietly. I stop working at 6pm regardless of what I'm doing and have dinner.

I'm happier now, much healthier - and the work keeps coming regardkess and I don't let myself stress where its coming from next.

[–]mattmacneil 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, I feel the same way about David Foster Wallace. Too damn brilliant to stick around.

[–]That90sShow 2 points3 points ago

"Ze cat waz dead. Fook Schrodinger."

[–]Nubies -1 points0 points ago

or was he alive? OR maybe both

[–]Toshiro_Mifune 0 points1 point ago

Sha shaaaa!

[–]rusty__shakleford 2 points3 points ago

[–]Probably_immortal 1 point2 points ago

Relevant Mitchell and Webb Skit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp02ubGuTIU

[–]nonhiphipster 0 points1 point ago

Although nothing you say is not true, to me its odd you came to this realization only after "watching shows like Sherlock Holmes."

[–]rusty__shakleford 0 points1 point ago

i don't hang around with many geniuses in real life.

[–]fr3nchy 1 point2 points ago

This is why I drink so much

[–]iksworbeZ 93 points94 points ago

That is an awesome photo, the look of frailness and vulnerability visible in Einstein's body language and expression makes him look very human (not that he would be anything else... but you get the point)

[–]dan_sundberg 115 points116 points ago

"I don't know, doc. I just... I'm just too fucking brilliant, you know?"

[–]rogurd 108 points109 points ago

No pressure for the therapist. The guy is maybe in his thirties and he is supposed to provide meaningful therapy for Albert Einstein? What a job.

[–]meatblock 78 points79 points ago

The man is younger, but probably spends more of his day practicing therapy than Einstein does so there are things for Einstein to learn here.

[–]holyice7 53 points54 points ago

From most accounts, Einstein wasn't a particularly prideful or arrogant man, either.

Knowing by heart all the deepest, darkest secrets of physics on multiple scales doesn't necessarily equate to knowing the full extent of one's own mind, or the true value of life.

[–]SnatchDragon 20 points21 points ago

Anyone who thinks smart/genius people understand life completely/couldn't possibly need therapy are ignorant

Though I'd be willing to hear arguments that they need more therapy than the regular joe

[–]intoxicologist 2 points3 points ago

And the same goes for many therapists who might be great at their practice, but by no means are they perfect humans for lack of a better phrase.

[–]barisax47 6 points7 points ago

My father, a therapist, told me the first step to being a therapist is having a therapist

[–]jchazu 0 points1 point ago

As a therapist, I can confirm that the Russians are peering through my window, and they're out to get you, too.

[–]rogurd 0 points1 point ago

Definitely wouldn't say they don't need therapy. I would say that being Einstein's therapist would be both intimidating and challenging.

[–]banjopaige 19 points20 points ago

It's like that Bill Nye quote. Everyone you come into contact with knows something you don't. Just cause you're older, or, you know, Einstein, doesn't mean that you can't garner valuable insights from a younger person from a different field of study.

[–]FireintheSoul 18 points19 points ago

Different areas of expertise. I feel like I probably have a significantly higher degree of raw intelligence than my therapist, but I know next to nothing about how not to be depressed all the time, which happens to be the subject she's spent her entire adult life studying and practicing. Since my goal in therapy isn't to outsmart my therapist against my own larger goals, it works out just fine.

[–]Atheistus 20 points21 points ago

maybe she should also tell you something about modesty and hubris?

[–]killerstorm 16 points17 points ago

Is it a taboo to say that you're smart? I understand why kids are taught not to say "I'm smart", but when strangers talk about it on internet, who cares?

[–]Aiskhulos 1 point2 points ago

It's pretty arrogant to say that you are significantly more intelligent than a person who you interact with for maybe 2 hours a week in a very narrow context.

[–]killerstorm 7 points8 points ago

He said "probably". He could not tell his story without this assumption.

What is better: keep being humble, or write a potentially interesting comment?

Also, let's say I have IQ of 125. This means I'm somewhere in top 5% by IQ. Which means that if I meat some random person, probability that I'm smarter than him is around 95%.

That is just mathematics of it.

[–]angrystoic 2 points3 points ago

See, IQ is not an ultimate measure of intelligence. Not only is it's measurement reliability and validity far from perfect, it is limited in scope. The notion that you can say that you're smarter than 95% of the population based on a written test is just outrageous.

[–]killerstorm 2 points3 points ago

Smarter w.r.t. IQ, of course.

Note that OP mentioned "raw intelligence" and that doesn't know all the things.

So I think relativity and context are implied here, and it doesn't make sense to point it out each time.

[–]killerstorm 0 points1 point ago

To be able to compare we have to narrow down "smartness" to just one number, and if we have to use one number, why not IQ? It is far from perfect, but it definitely correlates with what people call "smart". Or, maybe, with "raw intelligence".

If find it kinda ironic, OP essentially pointed out that some narrow definition of smartness can't be used for everything, and you think it's necessary to point this out again more explicitly.

[–]Echidnae 0 points1 point ago

Fireinthesoul also said that while knowing he is smart he still needs input from other persons (for example his therapist). So he's not ONLY taking the written test into account but a lot more.

[–]FrostedCereal -5 points-4 points ago

You say that you're in the top 5% in IQ and this therefore means you are intelligent and you then go and write "if I meat some random person". I know it's just a typo and happens to everybody, but it made me laugh. Also, IQ doesn't mean you are intelligent, IQ tests are largely disliked in the field of studying intelligence. They are generally very biased towards certain groups of individuals for a start and barely measure anything, among other things. Look it up in academic journals and sources for reliable info.

[–]killerstorm 6 points7 points ago

I wrote "let's say".

Let's say scientists invented some test which measures intelligence, and I'm in top 5% according to it. Can I assume that I'm smarter than a random person?

Are you capable of abstraction?

[–]FrostedCereal -2 points-1 points ago

That's not really what I was saying, I was just saying that IQ isn't actually that accurate, and I was also laughing at the "meat a random person" comment that I got distracted and didn't pay attention to the "let's say".

But yes, you would probably be safe assuming that, but I wouldn't, a random person could be absolutely anything.

And no, I am personally completely incapable of abstraction. It's my 2nd fatal flaw, after constipation.

[–]FireintheSoul 0 points1 point ago

As soon as she does I'll pass along everything I learn about it to you.

[–]Not_A_Smartphone 2 points3 points ago

I would imagine it's one of those therapy sessions where he just listens and provides some sort of feedback, not necessarily requiring the person to be more insightful or intelligent.

People as intelligent as Einstein probably just have a lot to get off their chests.

[–]Echidnae 1 point2 points ago

I think you got downvoted because you implied that he's so intelligent that he doesn't really need him, but it doesn't hurt and relieves a bit.

A lot of persons mentioned it above: it's not because you're a genius that you have got it all figured out.

[–]ohgeronimo 0 points1 point ago

It wasn't until years after ending therapy that I realized that wasn't the common form of therapy. My therapist rarely tried to "solve" my problems. He listened, he suggested things I could look into if they interested me, and he referred me to people that could prescribe medications to allow me to deal with things at that moment such as my insomnia and lack of interest in getting things done.

I then found out from friends that their therapy experiences ranged from that sort of thing to a stranger listening for half an hour then deciding that they were a miserable person that was always wrong and trying to hurt others, and that they should spend time in a hospital for it. That friend had severe anxiety about the way others perceived them for a reason, I think.

[–]xraymonacle 0 points1 point ago

Being a therapist must be a pretty complex experience.... I don't think we are naturally suited to share our deepest secrets with each other while simultaneously maintaining professional detachment. Intimacy and emotional involvement are always lurking around the corner...

[–]workacct20910 64 points65 points ago

The deep sadness is what I see. The heavy burden he felt is palpable.

[–]_Mattman_ 95 points96 points ago

It's like I can just reach out and palp it.

[–]shutuphooker 2 points3 points ago

first laugh of the day

[–]Crumbford 2 points3 points ago

Orange juice, extra palp please waitress.

[–]Omnicide 11 points12 points ago

Request; AMA Einsteins therapist.

[–]abledanger 11 points12 points ago

Why was there a photographer present for his therapy session?

[–]SuperSane 1 point2 points ago

Wife, a friend, family. Why was there someone in Einstein's house who happened to take a picture of one of his therapy sessions (if it is that, I didn't see a source besides Life).

[–]barbie_museum 37 points38 points ago

Can you imagine the burden on Einstein's pacifist mind knowing his research and theories were essential for building the most powerful, deadly weapons ever created by mankind?

I imagine it must have been overwhelming.

[–]tawattwaffle 31 points32 points ago

Einstein's role in creating the nuclear bomb is always overhyped. Lise Meitner and Otto Hahn recognized the potential for a chain reaction to occur in nuclear fission. They put the final pieces together using Einstein's theory but they might have been able to develop it on their own. We are still unsure to what extent the Germans pursued creating a nuclear bomb, but some scientists knew it was plausible. This caused Einstein to write a letter to Roosevelt urging him to start the Manhattan project, but he did not work in it himself. Enrico Fermi was then the first scientist to achieve a self-sustained nuclear reaction so if anything I think he would have had this on his mind more then Einstein. It was not just his theory being used but something he developed.
If you really want to learn about the scientist's ethics behind the bomb you should read 109 East Palace by Jennet Conant.

[–]z0ltanz0ltan 5 points6 points ago

Also, Robert Oppenheimer.

[–]tawattwaffle 0 points1 point ago

Yea no problem barbie_museum. I forgot to mention to also read Before the Fallout: From Marie Curie to Hiroshima by Diana Preston. I read that at the same time so I have a hard time remembering which books I learned my facts from. Then Hiroshima is a "book" by John Hersey looking more at the first hand destruction of the bomb itself. A really quick read that I highly suggest. z0ltanz0ltan, of course you cant forget Oppenheimer, the father of the atomic bomb. Especially when he quoted the bhagavad gita "Now I have become death the destroyer of worlds". My original post was loosely constructed and I did not want to go on any additional tangents.

[–]barbie_museum 4 points5 points ago

I will definitely check that out. Thank you for your enlightening comment! I learned something today.

[–]holyice7 1 point2 points ago

The scientists at Los Alamos were most certainly directly responsible, and Einstein's theories may have only been the groundwork, but I can see how those letters to Roosevelt could have haunted Einstein once the bombs actually had deaths attached to them.

[–]tawattwaffle 0 points1 point ago

Not all the scientists felt guilt from working in the Manhattan Project. Many were there just to further their pursuit of knowledge. Some like Edward Teller continued in this field to develop the hydrogen bomb. While others like Oppenheimer went down the more philosophical path.

[–]Pangael 10 points11 points ago

"I just can't seem to fit gravity into the theory, Doc. Got any ideas?"

[–]GaetanDugas 16 points17 points ago

"You've got to stop masturbating, Albert. It's making you lazy."

[–]semisimian 2 points3 points ago

So what if you masturbated this morning. It doesn't mean you're a bad scientist.

[–]GaetanDugas 1 point2 points ago

I'm so glad you got that quote.

[–]Rebelduck 9 points10 points ago

Umm.. I'm pretty sure that's actually a reporter not a therapist.

[–]Audihoe 9 points10 points ago

i can only imagine the conversations

[–]ent0 3 points4 points ago

Source of the photo?

[–]myidENTicaltwin 3 points4 points ago

What is the story here? Googling just brings up a series of tumblr reposts.

You don't have to be mentally ill to benefit from psychotherapy. You jus have to be a fucking human being.

[–]Gigan_Crushes_All 5 points6 points ago

This needs to replace Sad Keanu

[–]bigbigtea 3 points4 points ago

"No one gets me. It's like I'm way up here "intelectually", you know? And they're all down there. Sometimes I get really deep and think about, I dunno, stuff like relativity. I don't have anyone to talk to about it so I get kinda sad. Some days I just sit in my room and listen to My Chemical Romance on loop for hours and I blaze, just to fight the emptiness I feel." - Einstein

[–]niceguydammit 2 points3 points ago

"Feels bad man"

[–]RAGNAR_REPO -1 points0 points ago

"Today, we are seeing a ghastly spectacle: a magnificent scientific civilization dominated by the morality of prehistorical savagery. The phenomenon that makes it possible is the split psycho-epistemology of “com-partmentalized” minds. Its best example are men who escape into the physical sciences (or technology or industry or business), hoping to find protection from human irrationality, and abandoning the field of ideas to the enemies of reason. Such refugees include some of mankind’s best brains. But no such refuge is possible. These men, who perform feats of conceptual integration and rational thinking in their work, become helplessly anti-conceptual in all the other aspects of their lives, particularly in human relationships and in social issues. (E.g., compare Einstein’s scientific achievement to his political views.)"

-AR

[–]SuperSane 0 points1 point ago

wtf

[–]live3orfry 0 points1 point ago

Well to be fair he was banging his wife's sister who shared their home with them.

[–]luckycharms8282 1 point2 points ago

Learned from my therapist uncle that most therapists see a therapist regularly to help themselves deal with what they hear from people. Like spongebob and the mailman, I wonder if there is a never ending chain of therapists providing therapy to other therapists.

[–]MrPeppa 0 points1 point ago

"Why are people so stupid?!"

"This guy. What're are you? A fuckin Einst---oh right...That'll be $600"

[–]doomdonation 1 point2 points ago

Is it just me or is Einstein looking away from the camera in a lot of the pictures of him?

[–]anananananana 1 point2 points ago

Well if there are 50 cameras pointing at you it's hard to look at all of them.

[–]HardlyWorkinDBA 0 points1 point ago

Cheer up you're relatively normal.

[–]T0mmySalami 0 points1 point ago

His therapist was actually paying him to listen...

[–]SuperfluousRage 0 points1 point ago

It's not so bad I guess, all problems are relative...

[–]charles_d_krauss 1 point2 points ago

Did he need a therapist because he saw stupid people?

[–]Thimble 0 points1 point ago

"So many equations, so little time..."

[–]dieselpowa 0 points1 point ago

anyone has a higher resolution image?

[–]Oryx 0 points1 point ago

"What have they done with my formula?"

[–]aps0021 0 points1 point ago

I was actually thinking about going to see one myself...but still i cant help but think that, therapist in the picture is listening to Einstein and thinking "Wow I am completely getting mind fucked!" and also like im not sure how they would take the shit i say

[–]Maniak82 0 points1 point ago

Downvote because wrong title !

[–]Bandannafied 0 points1 point ago

AMA request: Einstein's therapist.

[–]drewwebs 1 point2 points ago

Therapy is supposed to be a private affair.... BUT THEN WHO WAS CAMERA????

[–]nicholaslyndhurst -1 points0 points ago

einsteintherapist.jpg

[–]okcukv -3 points-2 points ago

He really was a tortured soul. Here is some rare video footage...