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Besides items 4 and 6, this also applies to LoL players [x-post from /r/gaming] (i.imgur.com)

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[–]TrollThatDude 105 points106 points ago

I believe this one is the good one (http://i.imgur.com/UKQ1e.jpg) , the one the OP posted is a fake and shall be burnt!

[–]cromathor 28 points29 points ago

I lost it at "Minimap is a tool to know where I am. And its right in the middle of the action baby."

[–]Holybasil 16 points17 points ago

Only applies to Draven.

[–]zsmb 4 points5 points ago

Who needs a map?

[–]Goldkirby 7 points8 points ago

Azubu frost does.

[–]DCDVath 2 points3 points ago

I actually really agree with the change you made to #1. It's a game, its whole purpose is to have fun.

[–]covertskippy55 10 points11 points ago

That's not entirely true of this genre, the problem is dota and LoL rely on each teammate performing to the best of their ability. This is the basis of why the community for games such as this are so toxic. If one person decided to play an unconventional way your affecting four other people who are stuck with you. It's good to be considerate of others. I'm not saying having fun is wrong just that it's nice to be considerate of others.

[–]Thadken[Tbirdwormkilla] (NA) 5 points6 points ago

I see people say this a lot and don't quite follow. This argument applies to all multiplayer games. Hell if you make a risky move at a blackjack table other people playing get upset.

[–]covertskippy55 2 points3 points ago

Its because teams are small, and your action has far more consequences because your actively helping the enemy. If you compare it to a game like CoD, you have teams of 16, 32 etc and players can actively drop in and out. If you feed kills to the other team at most theyll get some kill streaks thats it. On the other hand if you feed in dota your giving the opposite team xp and gold to snowball rather easily. On top of that its 5 people per team so each person matter far more than other multiplayer games.

[–]mrducky78 0 points1 point ago

He didnt make the changes, DimensiO, the guy who created both made the version for "pros" after the original version for beginners.

Also, if you look at his posts, he was using it sarcastically implying the people who are only out for fun play carries, farm all game until they can 1 hit people and rage when they lose. Its the pretentious, obnoxious player who thinks the entire game is dedicated to themselves.

[–]alibson 197 points198 points ago

Don't know about you, but I had way more fun when I knew nothing about the game.

[–]xSiIver[xSiIver] (EU-W) 37 points38 points ago

this. Ive been leveling my smurf as of late, and the fact that there is no requirement for the standard meta is simply amazing. Makes it sort of sad that the more i play, the less fun it gets.

[–]DoktorDr 20 points21 points ago

Seeing as how OP's image was originally made for Dota2, I don't have any qualms about suggesting you check out Dota2. Nobody is going to rage at you for not playing the current meta because of how fluid the metagame and strategy is and since you start with all the characters unlocked, the possibilities are endless.

[–]mysticrudnin[Mystic Rudnin] (NA) 4 points5 points ago

This is my favorite part about casual Dota2 right now. I just always go bot or top immediately so that I don't get stuck in a sologame with or against (or both) a hero that I don't understand. Also I like the sidelane shops.

And no one complains even if I'm a "mid" hero.

[–]Havefa1th 1 point2 points ago

That's because everyone does well everywhere. I've had Crystal Maidens on my team roll mid, get an early blink dagger and beat everyone.

The skills applied from LoL mechanically combined with an open mind makes Dota2 much more fun, in my opinion.

[–]mysticrudnin[Mystic Rudnin] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

I like LoL more in the end, but I understand Dota2 and understand why people would like it more. Same as my preference for WC3 over SC:BW. Similar games on the surface but very different - neither are bad.

I do like the more spammable abilities of LoL. It reminds me more of a fighting game in some respects than an RTS. Rather than thinking of abilities like ultra-super skills you can use sometimes, they're more like your moveset. It it's closer to Bloodline Champions or even Diablo than Dota, which I have more fun with. It's like D&D4E At-Will powers vs. Encounter or Daily powers.

[–]Havefa1th 2 points3 points ago

Which makes sense, it's two different mind-sets in terms of game design. The spells are less powerful but you can put more out at a time, compared to DotA.

There are downsides and benefits to both, however. For example, having expensive spells in DotA allows for much more emphasis on CC... Sven for example has a 2 second AoE stun that hits like a truck at level 1, but he can't cast it more than once at level 1 without a clarity or waiting for mana.

With Dragon Knight having a 3.25 second signle target stun at max level, Lion being able to completely disable an opponent for 6.52 seconds at max rank and Doombringer silencing an opponent for 10 full seconds (Silencer can silence the whole enemy team for 12 seconds with an refresher orb!), there is tons of emphasis on CC which makes it difficult for beginners to understand. However, there are plus sides: this makes support a much bigger part of the team... I only play support in Dota2 and it's easy to be extremely important, meanwhile in LoL supports are next to useless in comparison. Also, lane matchups are virtually non-existant. No need to know how to play an exact matchup to be able to play your hero right.

They're two different games. My only problem is having to be backed into a corner when it comes to picks in LoL and how hard it snowballs, as well as there not being good "pushing" heroes. Hopefully Elise changes that. I want a Leshrac who can melt towers unless you stop him!

But I'm on a Dota2 kick at the moment. But either way, they're two different games.

[–]ImaBlackBelt 7 points8 points ago

After getting some games on DOTA 2 I've learned not to be so rigid about the meta. Say you first pick mid and some fucking retard in last pick thinks he deserves it because he "called it", so he trolls and picks double mid. I used to rage and dodge and whatever, but now I've run double mid lanes in DOTA. I'll tell the guy to take a highly mobile mid so one of us can be constantly ganking. Aside from completely negating his troll it can definitely work. A couple days ago some guys wanted to double bruiser top after I had already picked Vlad so I said fuck it, I've run a tri lane in DOTA. So instead of trying to jungle vlad or something dumb, I told the ADC to pick someone like Corki and sent him solo bot. We 3 man dived top at level 1 and got the kill. We were purple side so the bruisers would leave every once and a while to farm our jungle. I snowballed hard and won the game.

Its really funny when some idiot troll thinks he's going to get you to rage but instead you just say, "Eh fuck it, works in DOTA" and start trying to plan a strategy around it. A lot of the time you'll just make the troll dodge haha.

[–]Nutchos[Nutchos] (NA) 9 points10 points ago

The idiot troll doesn't want you to rage, he just wants to play that lane.

I'm curious though what your elo is. I mean, for sure, duo top can work but it's too easy for the other side to just sit back, get a level advantage and rape face when the jungler comes around (or you're risking your ad carry feeds or has no farm end game).

[–]NihiloZero 0 points1 point ago

The bigger problem with duo top is lack of dragon control. That's why duo bot is standard and duo mid seems feasible.

[–]ImaBlackBelt 1 point2 points ago

I'm talking in normal here. Fuck that shit, since they dropped the dodge elo penalty in ranked I'll fuckin dodge any game I don't think I'm going to win. I just play a game of ARAM or DOTA 2 while I wait for the dodge timer to wear off.

And idiot troll generally wants to punish me because in his fucked up down syndrome mind he thinks that "calling something" entitles you to play it regardless of pick order and I'm the dick for not agreeing with him. Hence "fine then double mid". If he wanted to play mid then playing double mid wouldn't exactly accomplish his goals.

[–]mysticrudnin[Mystic Rudnin] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

I've started doing this too. Dodge ranked to play Dota2 until we get a good team.

I feel bad about it, kind of, but they've said it's ok by implementing it that way, so I'm not really breaking any rules and you can pretty much guess with extremely good accuracy when you've got a guy on your team that gives you no hope.

[–]ImaBlackBelt 3 points4 points ago

I don't feel bad about it at all. I said at the time that removing the elo penalty was a retarded idea, and it was. The level of lobby trolling in ranked even at low elo used to be quite low in my experience. But now its a fucking shitshow, even more trolling than in normals it seems. And dodges used to be basically non-existent, whereas now it'll take me 4-5 lobbies to find a game most of the time.

With the current system if you want to raise your elo its the most efficient way of doing it.

[–]WilhelmScreams 0 points1 point ago

I was just thinking last night how my friend and I used to go Udyr and Fiddlesticks bottom lane (YEAH MAN SUSTAIN LANE!) and neither team would have a jungler.

I feel the same way about MMOs, though. WoW was a lot more fun before I just saw it as a min/max game.

[–]Blue_toes 15 points16 points ago

Every sunday morning I get up at 8am and play on the NA server with my housemate who recently moved back to Australia (I'm in the UK.. we both get about 200ms), we have so much fun! It's not really "not knowing anything" for us, but just being free to do whatever, like AD Janna jungle or something and no one says anything about it. It's also hillarious watching your team mates do crazy stuff, we had a Panth who Ult'd.. into their base and couldn't get out and just died to towers.. we are just on skype giggling. We try to help then a little here and there if they ask for it but mostly we let them get on with it because finding stuff out about the game as you go is probably the best part :)

[–]Vugee 0 points1 point ago

I still wish I could return to those days when me and my friend could go Karma+Garen (our favorite champs) bot/top and rape just about everybody. I don't really remember us losing lanes back then. Also I got 25 win streak playing only Karma right after buying her.

Then when I reached level 30 it became simply easier to be succesful with other champions in just about any role. Also that friend stopped playing LoL so I didn't have that guy who knew my tactics and what I could/would do and vice versa without even need for any form of communication.

[–]rizo536 0 points1 point ago

I think there's a lot to be said about player synergy. Me and my friends have a similar arrangement with Karma/Hecarim and Irelia/Orianna. We know what we want to do intrinsically and it just happens.

[–]dcmc6d 5 points6 points ago

As the picture/list sort of suggests, this game is unique in that the fun that comes is from bettering yourself.

[–]DuckAbuse 3 points4 points ago

This so much! LoL was funnier leveling up :-)

[–]Wyvryn 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, I don't remember exactly how I started, but I know after the tutorial, I went straight into normal's without bothering to do the bot games and I had a ton of fun.

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    [–]Klipsf4g 27 points28 points ago

    It deserves to be said that dota2 bots would shit on LoL bots, and point 2 doesn't completely apply to League.

    [–]icheckessay 1 point2 points ago

    well, while you can have fun on league with human players, our bots are still a good learning tool, you get to learn about not pushing the lanes, about baiting, about csing, about not ulting the minions... All of this without someone saying "OMG DIS GUI ZUKCS GG SURR AT 20"

    DISCLAIMER: i am not responsible for any injuries ocurred while reading the player quote.

    [–]Klipsf4g 4 points5 points ago

    Actually no, you can do whatever the fuck you want against bots. When you try that against dota2 bots they kill you. Trust me, I tried. :(

    [–]mynameisdis[NickPham] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

    I'm fairly high in Dota 2 matchmaking. Dual laning against bots above "Normal" difficulty are crazy. Pubs never communicate well enough to chain stuns as perfectly as these bots do. Bots in Dota 2 really are decent for learning the heroes and items well enough to not ruin peoples' days.

    After that, you'll have way more fun and perform way better playing against your fellow low level matchmaking players.

    [–]mysticrudnin[Mystic Rudnin] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

    The only bot game I played in Dota2 was during a glitch where they would call Roshan and then leave and then call Roshan again, getting stuck near him but never starting him... indefinitely.

    I thought it was funny so that's ok.

    [–]Momoneko[Momoneko] (EU-NE) 0 points1 point ago

    Oh yes.

    Got dota2 invite recently. Haven't played with people yet, trying to play with easy bots.

    Got stomped by them in 12-13 games out of 15.

    Dat fokking undead brand and his ulti.

    [–]Misuses_Words_Often[SkilledFerret] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

    The hero you're speaking of is called Lich. http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Lich

    [–]Havefa1th 1 point2 points ago

    Hahaha lich. All supports have terrifying ultimates in that game. Earthshaker, Crystal Maiden, Venomancer, Tidehunter, just to name a few.

    The problem is that the AI in Dota2 for bots is very team centric, and it takes a team to beat them. Generally the bots on your side are not up to the task.

    [–]Xarayezona 8 points9 points ago

    There should just be one day where Riot takes the time to beat #7 into the heads of every single player of this game.

    [–]MyNameIsTEDDY 10 points11 points ago

    Thought that was why the honor system was introduced. There is a notoriously bad community within League of Legends, but after the honor system was introduced it has actually gotten better (Though who knows how long that'll last)

    [–]jbradfield 3 points4 points ago

    I hope it's self sustaining. The game is actually way more enjoyable to play now, even when losing.

    [–]brningpyre 0 points1 point ago

    Most of that notoriety is overblown by people who hardly play the game.

    [–]MyNameIsTEDDY 1 point2 points ago

    Not necessarily, I've been playing the game for years now and I absolutely agree with what they say.

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      [–]krothu 8 points9 points ago

      Oh btw everyone we are making fun of this post on Dota 2. This probably made by some dude who raged too much. Play games to have fun. Games are supposed to be fun.

      [–]G_Morgan 6 points7 points ago

      On LoL we are taking it seriously because we are serious dudes.

      [–]mynameisdis[NickPham] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

      You say this jokingly, but this is something I was surprised about when I switched to Dota 2. People are more relaxed. I feel like it's because many LoL players feel like they are very competent with their mechanics and decision making using champions they have bought, and then start nitpicking things like team compositions, builds, and metas. No one has really bothered buying or experimenting with the shitty champs, so they have no faith in how strong it might actually be in your hands.

      In Dota 2, there's nothing really that will force you to invest yourself into one hero. No one really feels like they are pros at the game. There's like 2 guys on each team that random their heroes. It's cool though, they won't be pro at what they random, but you know they'll buy you a chicken or wards at the start. It's chill, you'll have a way to win, so you JUST PLAY.

      In Dota 2, when I ask my team what should I pick, I'm either told "Something with CC" or "Whatever you want." In LoL if I ask that same question I'm told "Pick X role." or even specific but no less common, "Pick X, Y, or Z champ."

      [–]maxy55555(NA) 5 points6 points ago

      Also x-post from /r/DotA2. And, like there, the main consensus seems to be that all of these points are bullshit coming from a butthurt player. While these could be good points, the way they are portrayed makes new players not even want to play the game. Honestly, if this was a serious list as to how to improve at Mobas, I'd want to stay bad forever.

      [–]Caffeinic 33 points34 points ago

      1 point is retarded, what the fk why would game be not fun? It just destroys concept of gaming, and i feel like its a refference to lol, they say lol is for "casuals" i wonder how many of them are not causals in dota2....

      [–]Fyyasg 9 points10 points ago

      1 point is retarded, what the fk why would game be not fun?

      Because there's a steep learning curve, and for a lot of people getting stomped every game isn't that fun, especially when you have no idea what's going on.

      [–]mrducky78 10 points11 points ago

      "Having fun" would be doing stupid shit that would normally get you reported in either dota2 or LoL.

      Be that with messed up team line ups dedicated to one thing or everyone getting a particular item (works a lot better in dota due to active items playing a large role). Lane set ups? Skill builds? Weird masteries/runes that are unorthodox?

      At least I hope that is what the OP of the picture was implying.

      [–]-DimensiO- 4 points5 points ago

      Yes I was. But the "fun" part of the image is just blown up too much by the community. I'ts just amazing to see how far this already has spread because everyone takes it personal.

      "HUH WHAT ME NOT HAVING FUN? WTF WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME THAT OMG REBELREBELREBL!!!" (This is an example that is very overreacted, please do not feel offended... come to think of it, maybe I should have put this at the fun part too).

      But thats the whole thing of the image, it hits you right in the ego. Dota and LoL are team games but most of the players start playing it to have "fun" wich ends up in rage and shitty games.

      [–]mrducky78 3 points4 points ago

      Ello there fellow traveller. Skipping across subreddits I see.

      Your fun is limited by the team IMO. If your "fun" results in feeding, then even if you are having a good time, you are wasting the time for 4 others on your team or even 9 other people to have a decent match.

      [–]TheSeldomShaken 0 points1 point ago

      Incidentally, it's RABBLERABBLERABBLE.

      [–]LtBeard 2 points3 points ago

      Playing a game for "fun" and then losing because the other team is playing to win isn't fun. Losing isn't fun. I play the game to win because winning is fun. When other people play to "have fun" but end up losing, how is that fun? I don't log on every day to play a game just to lose. Nothing fun in being shut down the whole game. It's just frustrating.

      [–]Graphael 0 points1 point ago

      Both games can be played casually or competitively and both games are a lot of fun to play.

      The point is that Dota has a steeper learning curve with a number of strange mechanics that are not present in league, not knowing these can place an incredible handicap on your team and playing out a few a bot games can give you the chance to learn these without the pressure of letting down your team.

      [–]louis058 0 points1 point ago

      I think he's defining 'having fun' as in messing around, whereas it's perfectly possible to be extremely focused on the game, doing your best to win, and be 'having fun'.

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        [–]Rerdan 11 points12 points ago

        I strongly disagree with point #1 and #2.

        You should play against human players as much as you can.

        I don't know how dota2 works but in LoL, whether you like it or not, the matchmaking matches you with guys of similar level (unless you queue with a guy higher level than you then that means you probably gonna fight harder guys in the game). Because there's a normal elo also and if you're not very skilled your normal elo won't be very high hence you'll play against other guys whose normal elo isn't high as well.

        So, long story short, just play with humans really and try to improve yourself there.

        [–]mrducky78 25 points26 points ago

        You actually learn very little in the lower MMR brackets and if anything, pick up bad habits and inefficient builds.

        And as someone has already said, Dota bots are not push overs and are quite competent, they can gank, last hit/deny better than you and harass. In bot games, players are more willing to teach and learn.

        Also dota2 doesnt have a tutorial system yet, meaning in order to grasp the basics, you actually have to play bot games to learn unless you want to jump head first into MMR which can match you inadequately due to the huge variance between new players.

        [–]IsAStrangeLoop 4 points5 points ago

        I want a courier in league :(

        [–]rakantae 5 points6 points ago

        It's not very necessary in League, since we can blue pill for free.

        [–]SunChaoJun 2 points3 points ago

        B-but all that missed CS!

        [–]naranjaspencer 5 points6 points ago

        I dunno, I still hold that the fastest way to learn about League of Legends is to skip bots altogether and just go live immediately.

        There was a time before bots, you know. It was a great time, full of "What kind of awful champion has an ability that can't even kill these monsters?" "Oh yeah, Spencer, your ult doesn't hit minions, only champions, that's what Katarina does."

        Anyway, bots might familiarize you with the controls, but to truly understand League, you're better off jumping into actual matches sooner rather than later.

        [–]ImaBlackBelt 2 points3 points ago

        Absolutely. I know a girl that played only bots till level 10, and missed that whole 1-10 no meta everyone just figuring stuff out phase. I told her to stop playing bots and play live, but now she's more in the level 15 range where people are starting to figure stuff out and you are starting to see junglers, but she has no idea wtf to do because she's only played bots.

        [–]brningpyre 0 points1 point ago

        I think it's a serious problem that Co-op gives XP. Some people even go as high as level 20 with only 1 or 2 normal games under their belt. They're completely unable to go in normal games at that point, and so after getting destroyed, they settle back into bot games.

        [–]naranjaspencer 0 points1 point ago

        Ugh, I know a guy who did the same thing. He finally stopped doing bots and went to play with me and a bunch of friends on level 1 smurfs and was like "Nah dude, I always crush bots, I'll be fine."

        He... he was not fine... not fine at all...

        [–]ellenir 17 points18 points ago

        Completely disagree with points about playing with bots, imho u cant learn anything usefull or become better in games vs bots.

        [–]muuus 47 points48 points ago

        Belive me, hard DOTA2 bots would easly get around 1200 elo. They have all days to play, too.

        [–]Mobile_Man 29 points30 points ago

        Dota2 bots would sweep the floor with the majority of 1200-1400 ELO players.

        [–]Desorienter 1 point2 points ago

        They are good, but they are not that good.

        They destroyed me for the first 5 games of dota2, then it got pretty easy.

        [–]muuus 5 points6 points ago

        You must admit they are quite awsome tho.

        [–]thefezhat[Fezzz] (NA) -1 points0 points ago

        Hey, I'm 1200 ELO and Dota 2 bots up to medium are pretty easy for me. Haven't tried hard yet though.

        [–]dvanclev[im NOOBMAGE] (NA) 77 points78 points ago

        Dota 2 has way better bots than league, dota bots are as good/better than beginner/intermediate players. They lasthit near perfectly and harass/deny too

        [–]LoLCris[xx69hardcockofphreak420] (BR) 29 points30 points ago

        DotA bots coordinate ganks and set up kills efficiently as well. Not to mention they also ward and defend towers and even buy the courier for you

        [–]Zackcy 1 point2 points ago

        Bots don't prepare you for MM, MM prepares you for bots.

        [–]Jantan 5 points6 points ago

        Really? You can learn a ton about how a character "feels" as well as practicing last hittting. Seems pretty good to me.

        [–]WMDistraction[WMDistraction] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

        I don't know about everyone else (I can't), but I learn to play a lot differently when playing against bots than against humans. If I played against bots to learn a new champ, it'd feel a lot different to me against humans than against bots, and I may stop playing that champ entirely.

        [–]mrducky78 13 points14 points ago

        This picture is for dota2 which doesnt have a tutorial system yet. For completely new players, you are almost forced to grind out a couple bot games to get the mechanics, game flow and basic hero knowledge down.

        For low MMR players, bots is actually the way to go.

        [–]AnonXXI 2 points3 points ago

        Dota 2 has a much steeper learning curve than LoL and IMO you have to play several games with bots just to understand what is going on. This applies a little less in LoL but personally I played some bot games before starting to play with real people

        [–]neshel 0 points1 point ago

        I always try out new champs on bots. Getting used to the abilities and last hitting, important.

        [–]G_Morgan -1 points0 points ago

        It really depends on if you are solo or in a team. If you have 5 mates then you are better off just playing humans all the time. As Alex Ferguson famously told an inexperienced player. Make your mistakes in the first team.

        [–]metenamina[S] 3 points4 points ago

        original post: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/11w9z9/10_beginner_questions_for_dota_2/

        I can see the LoL community as a whole improving just by following these advices

        edited with the real original :)

        [–]mrducky78 14 points15 points ago

        http://i.imgur.com/UKQ1e.jpg

        Already been 1-uped for lulz.

        reddit thread

        [–]metenamina[S] 0 points1 point ago

        I didn't knew, thanks!

        [–]Mrlucky77 1 point2 points ago

        Actually, the original post is here:

        http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/11w9z9/10_beginner_questions_for_dota_2/

        [–]metenamina[S] 0 points1 point ago

        I see, I'll edit my post. Thanks!

        [–]mrducky78 0 points1 point ago

        Nice name youve got there.... Im onto you.

        [–]tuptain 2 points3 points ago

        DOTA 2 wards last for 6 minutes? Pfft, what casuals. /jk

        [–]Nood1e 0 points1 point ago

        He says 2 for 150 and 6 minutes. So I'm guessing still 3 minutes each.

        [–]patarick 8 points9 points ago

        150 gold buys two wards at a time, and they last for 6 minutes each. You can also only buy a max of 4 wards before having to wait for them to restock in the store. Wards are much more valuable in Dota for this reason, rather than spamming the map in every brush and choke point of the jungle in LoL.

        [–]tuptain 2 points3 points ago

        Man, I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't buy 5 wards every time back as support (you know, besides actually buy items).

        [–]doommaggot 0 points1 point ago

        You can't actually buy much items in dota either, because you don't have those juicy gp10s rolling in.

        [–]nXiety 0 points1 point ago

        Luckily supports feel as if they contribute so much more through all phases of the game though so it works out. I prefer support in Dota 2 by far.

        [–]Pengothing 4 points5 points ago

        It's 6 minutes per. You get 2 in a stack however there's a limited stock. There's a maximum of 2 stacks in the store at once. Once a set is bought a new one will be restocked in 6 minutes.

        [–]Nood1e 1 point2 points ago

        Thanks to all of you for the details. It's nice to know a few things about Dota 2 :)

        [–]G_Morgan -1 points0 points ago

        So I can troll my team by buying up all the wards? Or does each player get their own store?

        [–]ithae 3 points4 points ago

        I don't play LoL, I don't even know how I got here, but in my 800 games of Dota 2 this has NEVER happened. I've never heard of it happening. Everyone shares the same store, a few items have cooldowns. Gem of True Sight (10 min) reveals invis anything around the carrier, drops on death. Observor Wards (stock of 2, 6 min CD), and Smoke of Deceit (3 stock, 12 min CD) lets you and your team go invis but it fades off when near a tower (turret) or player. This is used to bypass wards when wanting to play aggressively.

        Like I said, I've never seen anyone go about trolling that way. The vast majority of "trolling" is just idiot manchildren flaming.

        [–]doommaggot 0 points1 point ago

        Team capped.

        Even better, buy the only gem of true sight (oracles elixir), then immediately die to the enemy team, giving them the gem. (It drops on the ground after you die.

        Best way: farm up and get a divine rapier, and give it to the enemy carry.

        [–]mrducky78 1 point2 points ago

        2 stacks with 2 in stock per 6 minutes.

        Each ward lasts 6 minutes, you can ward one spot with 150 gold for 12 minutes.

        [–]Caloooomi[Claaaaa] (EU-W) 1 point2 points ago

        You don't get oracles as a pot either - you get a gem which gives you true sight around you. The catch is, if you die the item is dropped an anyone can pick it up and use it!

        [–]f3ltz 0 points1 point ago

        "Always keep one eye on the map.." Damn I'd love to be able to keep one eye on the map at all time and the other on the play but sadly I'm just human :(

        [–]G_Morgan 0 points1 point ago

        Nobody splits their eyes. Watch any top SC2 pro. Their eyes move in circles. Just need to get the mechanics of glancing around down properly. You can do something like check your money to see if you can upgrade, check abilities/health/mana, check minimap, check main screen.

        [–]f3ltz 0 points1 point ago

        I know man I play the game :P I just found it funny how it was originally said, "keeping one eye on the map".

        [–]risklight -1 points0 points ago

        when can i buy a courier?

        [–]Alisstorm[alisstorm] 0 points1 point ago

        so much true, specially 1 2 3 5

        [–]korankelo 0 points1 point ago

        I really liked the '5 whys' part. Apply 6 sigma to LoL.

        [–]almnor[aLmNor] (EU-W) -1 points0 points ago

        IMO point 1 is plain silly.

        [–]rot1npiece 1 point2 points ago

        3 defines the LoL community to a freakin T. "I can't carry as a support!!! I WANT TO CARRY THIS GAME AND GET ELOS TO GET BITCHES" Stfu already or don't play ranked...

        [–]lololert 1 point2 points ago

        Err... Bots are more skilled than some humans.

        [–]icheckessay 5 points6 points ago

        in dota 2, bots own most people.

        [–]Meedo92 0 points1 point ago

        buy wards?? well that's absurd..im not support :s

        [–]InsanityDouche 0 points1 point ago

        I have a ton of fun playing LoL even after 2k+ games. The trick is to just play normals with friends and just have fun. Ranked games are overrated, sure it's fun to play a serious game occasionally but most of the time I'd rather just have a fun game without rage.

        [–]LeyLu[LeyLu] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

        I love number 5. I see so little of this and yet it's such a basic thing to learn and do. regardless of elo you are at and the type of game you play, you should always do this. Unfortunately so little ppl get this. I think I see 1 ADC buying few wards in 100-200 games and other ppl buying wards mid-late game who do not have wriglles 1 in 50 games. so sad

        [–]cillmurfud 0 points1 point ago

        Point 1 offends me. "This isn't a game to have fun with". It's a game. It's for fun. We're not all pros, and we're not all trying to be super-special-awesome ranked. Get over it.

        [–]Makagi 0 points1 point ago

        i couldnt disagree more with this pic (except nr. 5)

        [–]archersrevenge 0 points1 point ago

        CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG!

        [–]Baneling2 0 points1 point ago

        Teleport scroll O.o

        [–]Misuses_Words_Often[SkilledFerret] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

        In DOTA 2 the Town Portal Scroll plays a fairly significant role. http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Teleport_scroll

        There is no built-in recall like there is in League of Legends. DOTA 2 requires you to purchase these scrolls in order to teleport to friendly structures. That means you can not only teleport back to the fountain at base, but also to a tower.

        This adds an additional mechanic to the game that player's have to worry about. Should I buy two Town Portal Scrolls now, or hold off because I'm so close to getting my next core item? Oh. Whoops. Now I'm near bottom and two enemy heroes are assaulting top tower. I'm glad I have my Mask of Madness, but I can't get there in time to save the tower now.

        It also plays an important role in making more strategic decisions. Can I continue chasing this hero, or is there a chance I'll be routed by a teleport to the nearest tower before I can land a killing blow? Should I attack top tower and give the enemy an opportunity to attack middle tower while I don't have a scroll?

        [–]Baneling2 0 points1 point ago

        Cool:)

        [–]ImaBlackBelt 0 points1 point ago

        Disagree with the stuff about playing bots. I've never played a single bot game. It doesn't make you better and IMO its just a waste of time. If you try a new champ and do badly in a normal game who really gives a shit?

        [–]The_Exarkun 0 points1 point ago

        Depends what you consider doing bad if your 0-5-0 in 10 minutes go play a bot game first please

        [–]ImaBlackBelt 0 points1 point ago

        I went 0/9 on eve after alex ich played her and discovered I'm not good at eve mid. If I had played against bots I would have crushed them and thought I was good at her.

        [–]The_Exarkun 0 points1 point ago

        well you could have at least tried to play her in a bot game to learn how she works even if you destroyed them you would have a better idea of what your doing and i doubt you would have gone 0/9

        [–]ImaBlackBelt 1 point2 points ago

        Yeah but why would I do that when I can run her in a normal game and find out, "Well shit, I can't run that into a decent Orianna". If I had played her in a bot game then I'd just have to eventually play her in a normal and would have gone 0/9 then. It isn't a matter of figuring out the champions, this isn't DOTA. The Q is an AOE nuke. She has a movespeed buff. It isn't rocket science, takes about 30 seconds to figure out the abilities.

        [–]jbbeastly 0 points1 point ago

        Why doesn't league have couriers? I want a miniature teemo as mine.

        [–]brningpyre 1 point2 points ago

        I disagree on items 1 and 2. Do so many people who play the game not enjoy competing?

        [–]VodkaHappens 0 points1 point ago

        I don't get it, people play a game that they don't make a profit from, and they don't even do it for fun? I don't get point 1. I think point 2 should be revised to normal vs ranked in lol.

        [–]BaBy-T[Halcyon] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

        Good read, couldn't agree more, when I play AD carry I make sure to try to pick up wards for my support to take some of the pressure off (it's not easy to be an income-less player)

        Although once I had my mid give me flack for buying wards for my support (albeit this was a normal game) that same ward I bought and planted in our tri-bush saved bot from a Shaco gank

        Buy wards, wards save lives

        [–]ImAWhaleBiologist 0 points1 point ago

        Number 3 needs to be beaten into the skull of the 5000000 mid/ADC "mains" that infest the League.

        [–]Accipehoc[Blood of Azariah] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

        What... What have you done?

        Now people are bitching about Dota 2 rather than actually taking the advice.

        [–]DrDicknips 1 point2 points ago

        I don't know about Dota 2, but I don't think bots are a good way to test new builds in League. As long as you have a little damage, you can pretty much shit on bots with any build.

        [–]mrducky78 0 points1 point ago

        If you read through the thread. Bots in dota2 are apparently equivalent to 1200-1400 ELO on highest difficulty. While their late game suffers due to programming bots being difficult for the more hectic nature of late game, they crush lanes with near perfect last hits/denies and gank very effectively with chain stunning.

        In short, they are not pushovers.

        [–]taylortee 0 points1 point ago

        I love #9 because I love commentating teammates bad plays in chat. My favorites are when people get kited and Im just waiting for them to die.

        "hey look here's a free baron, oh wait nvm out tankiest player Warwick has decided to chase a Nidalee into base when her team is about to respawn and oh look hes dead.... definitely did not see that one coming! Hey thanks for throwing dude"

        [–]Misuses_Words_Often[SkilledFerret] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

        If you're doing that in Skype or in messages with your friends I don't care one way or another. If you're doing it in Team chat or All chat you're just looking to start a fight.

        [–]recursion8 0 points1 point ago

        Seems like 1 and 2 also wouldn't apply to LoL. Our bot AI is still terrible compared to DotA's; you stop learning anything other than csing/mechanics from bot games pretty quickly.

        Also, any DotA players can confirm that is indeed a Mr. T champ in panels 1 and 3?

        [–]mrducky78 1 point2 points ago

        Its anti mage, also known as anti fun. He is a carry who farms up core and begins the systematic rape of the team. He pities magic, he pities the fool.

        [–]Nethervex 0 points1 point ago

        Dear idiots in solo-Q

        you can buy wards, dont bitch at the support for not spending the money for items on 500 more wards you can get yourself

        [–]RequiemGG -1 points0 points ago

        i usually send the couriers to the enemy base

        [–]DaStone 0 points1 point ago

        I read this one yesterday on the dota2 sub reddit :D i laughted so hard.

        [–]AnxAlbumxCover -3 points-2 points ago

        Not items 1 and 2. This is a game and for the 99% of us that aren't being paid to play it, we do it for some sort of enjoyment. If you can't have fun at something that you do voluntarily without any compensation, why would you do it?

        [–]aaronepower 5 points6 points ago

        You playing stupidly ruins the fun for 4 other people. Either get 4 friends or go play with bots.

        [–]ReflexMan -1 points0 points ago

        While most of this is true, I really dislike the breakdown of logic that is "It only costs X gold; that is only Y creeps and then you will have it back."

        That is awful logic. If you weren't competing with the enemy team directly, then maybe it wouldn't be that bad to stop and buy a ward or a courier, then get your gold back. But the thing is, losing that X gold and only needing Y creeps to get it back puts you Y creeps behind the enemy (assuming they didn't buy a ward or courier).

        I am not saying that buying wards is bad. I am just saying the logic is so bad. Acting like "only Y creeps isn't that bad" completely disregards that you will forever be that many creeps behind, and the next time you buy a ward, you will be 2Y creeps behind. It doesn't matter if you can make that gold back quickly. If you didn't buy the ward, you would be that much gold ahead after killing that many creeps.

        [–]mrducky78 1 point2 points ago

        A ward can give a carry free farm with less worry about ganks or if there are ganks, the carry will not die since he sees the heroes rolling in for a kill. If the ward allows the carry to free farm and avoid just a single gank, the ward has paid for itself around 2-3 times over, maybe even 4-6 times over if its later in the game and the carry can clear creeps in seconds.

        Also in dota there are runes, having wards and hence map control gives you rune control kind of. The mid hero can get random free perks every 2 minutes like regen to full, double damage, invisibility, illusions (2 weaker images of yourself), haste (max move speed). They assist in ganking. At higher levels of play, you can win the middle lane simply by having rune control with a bottle and they get nothing and you get ganks.

        Supports are usually farm independant so even if they got 1k more gold, it wont necessarily have as big an impact as a carry since their items dont scale as well. They rely more on their skills for game impact than farm.

        [–]ReflexMan 0 points1 point ago

        As I said, I am not arguing that buying wards is bad. I understand that buying a ward will probably end up netting you more gold because of the safe farming.

        My problem is with the generic logic that spending a small amount of time/money on something (not even necessarily pertaining to League or DotA) is no big deal, because you can make it up easily.

        That logic insists that you lose a bit of money, but then you make that money back, and then it is as if you didn't spend it. That is false, because if you hadn't spent it, you would be that much more ahead of where you started, rather than right where you started.

        I know wards are good. The bad logic bothers me.

        [–]mrducky78 0 points1 point ago

        What if at the competitive, professional level, the advantage given from wards is so great that its guaranteed the other team will have them.

        Same applies to competitive games at the non professional level, both sides will be using wards of map control, you are not at a disadvantage for gold when buying wards because the enemy team will be doing so as well.

        [–]msTrT 0 points1 point ago

        Yeah, that logic is kinda bad, a courier pays for itself after it brings your (and teammates') items to you on the lane instead of wasting time (and exp+gold) going to the fountain and back - neat stuff, they tottaly should put that in the pic. But the point was that importance of these things is much bigger than the price

        [–]kazumasa 0 points1 point ago

        I've always thought about it in reverse -

        "If I can kill even 3 more creeps than normal because I had a ward, then I am making money."

        Being safe from ganks, knowing that the other lane has backed, stealing a jungle camp, these are all things that help you get more creeps that are much more possible with the help of wards.

        [–]metenamina[S] 0 points1 point ago

        I understand your logic, but you didn't account for the benefits of buying and placing wards too: by giving a better map vision for your team, you reduce the chance of successful ganks on your team, and increase the chances of ganking the enemy team, making all of this more than worth the investment.

        [–]flUddOS[flUddOS] (NA) 4 points5 points ago

        That's a different line of reasoning though. Remember, he's not disagreeing with the idea (buying wards), but with the logic (they don't cost much).

        [–]ReflexMan 0 points1 point ago

        Thank you. I guess I could have been clearer, but my point extends beyond League or DotA.

        It's a very common brand of bad logic that people use, that if the cost of something is low and can be made up quickly, then it is worth it, because it doesn't take long to get back to where you started. People just don't seem to realize that if you don't drop down in the first place, then you will be above where you started after that short amount of time.

        [–]Shiroke -1 points0 points ago

        4) A ward is only 3-4 CS. Don't complain that it's the support's job. Buy at least one and save some lives.

        6) Your health is pretty low. Does the other team have globals? Is the mid Lux missing? When is the last time you saw their Jungler? Maybe it's time to back.

        Edit: Well, dang. My new 4 is covered in 5.

        [–]zablex -3 points-2 points ago

        "League is not a game to have fun with as a beginner" ... Gaming is srs bsns am i rite guyz?

        [–]Florpz -3 points-2 points ago

        I played one game of Dota 2. All I could think of was: Why am I playing this instead of League?

        [–]mdbr -3 points-2 points ago

        How this condescending elitist jerk-off of an advice got to the front page of both /r/Dota2 and /r/leagueoflegends is beyond me.

        [–]Fed_Express -3 points-2 points ago

        Good points but condescending as ****.

        Tell the author to not sound like a pedantic mofo next time.

        [–]Zelgadis87 -4 points-3 points ago

        I stopped reading at the first point. Sorry but I play games to have fun; if a game is not fun as a beginner, then it's time to find a more enjoyable way to spend my limited free time.

        [–]icheckessay 0 points1 point ago

        i agree with this, if a game needs 3 manuals and full dedication to learn how to beat begginer bots (and the fun is supposed to be included somewhere inbetween), then the game should be easier.

        I still dont understand how or why they made the shop so hard to use and counter intuitive, one of the things i like about the LoL shop is that it is pretty straight forward.

        [–]LeyyLoo- 0 points1 point ago

        I don't really agree. I don't think it's good to troll 100 % but i think the league community forgets that even though league can be competitive, it's still a GAME.

        A game is made to have fun, when you play football with your friends, you like to screw around sometimes, try really fancy things and some times it doesn't work but it's meant to have fun, it's a game.

        If you play ranked sure, i think it's meant to tryhard to some extent, but normals against people ? man just chill, have fun, don't throw on purpose suicide to towers, but not every game is meant to learn, try to get better, analyze your replays etc.

        Just my 2 cents.

        [–]Cytogon 0 points1 point ago

        Riot can we get back that teleport scroll? http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Scroll_of_Teleportation

        And while your at it, remove flash and add these guys back in. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Yordle_Stompers

        [–]ImaBlackBelt 1 point2 points ago

        Were these items from a time before summoner spells?

        IMO no one would buy Yordle Stompers, the cooldown is way too long. Blink Dagger's cooldown is like 15 seconds.

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        [–]-DimensiO- -3 points-2 points ago

        DARNIT HE HAS MORE INTERNETS!!!

        [–]mrducky78 0 points1 point ago

        well dimensio is the guy who made this OC.

        [–]Zoesan -2 points-1 points ago

        How about fuck you. If I don't want to play serious I'll play normals. Playing bots...

        [–]badreamr -3 points-2 points ago

        It's written so poorly, it hurts.

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