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Proportionate use of force. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 1 day ago by Hormander
[–]jayzilla3666 120 points121 points122 points 1 day ago
Some context for those that like that stuff: http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-police-officer-body-slams-drunk-teen-girl/story?id=13545127#.UIXchxp618E
[–]tejmin 86 points87 points88 points 1 day ago
Even with the full video linked in that article, I have no idea how the officer thought that was reasonable.
[–]NimX3 15 points16 points17 points 1 day ago
I just watched it 10 times just to make sure he didn't trip :/
[–]ReasonReader 66 points67 points68 points 1 day ago
We don't know that he thought it was reasonable, only that he claimed it was reasonable. Looks to me like the asshole just didn't count on anyone getting it on video.
[–]EV3N 23 points24 points25 points 1 day ago
Well, the article claimed she struck a member of the staff.
While amount of force used does seem indeed excessive, I can't help that some of the public perception has to deal with psychology.
Unfortunately, I can't find the video on youtube, but it is a really interesting one. Generally the content shows the reactions of people in a public park when a woman is beating a man and when a man is beating a woman (it's all staged).
When the man is violent, people automatically see it as a bad thing and attempt to step in in some cases. When the woman is violent, many reactions are of people paying no attention or, in one case, a woman grinning and fist-pumping as she walks by.
In no way am I saying that what this officer did was reasonable by any measure, but psychology is obviously a big influence in these situations.
I'm playing devil's advocate here and will most likely reap the downvotes for it. Have at me :(
[–]bronkula 46 points47 points48 points 1 day ago
The thing is, your theory only holds sway if someone could say that this could be proportionate with ANYONE. But there is no time when I can see this amount of force appropriate for a defendant who has their back turned and is calmly walking away. Not particularly resisting. Just calmly walking away. There is NO WAY this is appropriate ever.
[–]cosmo120 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago
No psychology here. That guy rammed her at full speed, which resulted in her head hitting the concrete wall and face hitting the ground. It would have garnered the same reaction if it was a man walking away from an alleged crime.
[–]man_ny 2 points3 points4 points 22 hours ago
I understand your psychology based analysis, but I honestly don't understand why there's the feeling that there has to be an IMMEDIATE response/action taken on something like this.
I realize she assaulted members of the school staff, but she is a drunk teenage girl. Why is it that she couldn't have just been let go, maybe somehow ushered home by a friend even, to sober up and cool down, then bring her in to deal with her consequences/charges etc?
[–]themanbat -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago
Devils Advocacy:
He isn't really out of line. The girl was drunk at school. She had been brawling with her mother in the parking lot, and had also previously struck a school employee. The cop verbally told her to stop and that she was under arrest before he charged her (though she admittedly might not have registered it). Factor in that he probably just received a phone call saying a student was drunk and violent, assaulted a teacher, and probably arrived on the scene just in time to see the idiot punch her mother in the face. So now essentially you've got a violent criminal fleeing a crime scene, not responding to commands. It does look like a solid hit, and the girl goes flying, but if a cop isn't justified in hitting a violent criminal who is fleeing a crime scene then who is he justified in hitting?
The cop treated her like any other criminal. She resisted arrest when she kept walking away after his commands, and he took her into custody quickly and efficiently The girl did not get hurt beyond a scrape and a bruise or two. It's interesting to note that no one on the scene, not even the girl's mother, balked at what happened. They having seen the whole disgusting scene and not just a far off video, seemed to have no problem with the level of force used.
If this had been a teenage boy, hitting a teacher and a parent, no one would have any problem with the cop knocking the kid down. Unfortunately now this cop has become the victim of sexism and a police public image witch hunt.
[–]ScrubTutor 39 points40 points41 points 23 hours ago
As someone who's studied Use of Force Theory, this argument is way off.
First of all, you don't go from "Verbal Commands" to "Very Hard Physical Control" when your subject is pretty passively resistant. You also take a number of other factors into account (For instance, the fact that this is a fully-armed 200lb cop violently tackling someone who looks no more than 120lbs absolutely comes into play here). The correct move is an attempt to grab at an arm/ her waist, and if she starts resisting that, you can bring her to the ground and apply the bracelets.
Secondly, you keep calling her a "criminal", and justify the officer's actions by stating that she was treated like "any other criminal". I seriously hope that this is not the case with that police department, your police department, or my police department. One is not a "criminal" until they've been convicted in a court. He walked on the scene having heard somewhere that this woman was drunk. He saw her hit her mother - reason unknown. We're still not at the level where we're going to be bringing this level of force to bear. If I miss a police officer's order and then get tackled from behind like that, you bet he's going to have some pretty intense lawsuits coming his way pretty quickly, as well as brutality complaints to the department (yeah, they don't do too much, but officers who accrue too many of these complaints don't make rank).
Also, if the girl was "drunk" (according to an on-sceen witness, so reliable), who knows if she was actually just drunk, or on something else. People die when they are handled inappropriately under those circumstances (it is called positional asphyxia).
Another point you make is that the girl's mother didn't seem to care about what happened to her daughter. Her daughter just hit her in the face! I'd be pretty mad too, and probably do a fist pump in her situation. However, cops are supposed to have this thing called "training", which is supposed to prevent them from pulling stunts like this. You also mention that this girl got off with no more than "a scrape and a bruise or two". She was certainly lucky. We've seen at least one case on the front page recently about the Seattle cop who tackled a young man into a wall in almost a mirror image of this "arrest". The kid is not expected to wake up from the coma he's in. In addition, I know at least one person who was tackled like this, his shoulder was dislocated and he was denied medical attention for two days. His arm has still not healed. I know that this last point is anecdotal, but I'm just trying to further illustrate the risk that was assumed - to the girl's health and to the officer's career - when the officer tackled the girl like that.
The teenage boy who was put into a coma in Seattle brings me to my last point. That we wouldn't care if the victim of brutality was male. You're speaking in absolute terms here, which is quite silly, but on Reddit alone, we see instances of brutality targeted at males hit the front page weekly, if not daily. I don't have sources handy, but there was the kid who was placed in cuffs and put into the back of a cruiser and then shot. There have also been several articles recently describing pretty horrendous beatings that male victims have taken on camera. I'm not saying that men have it rough because cops beat them, I'm saying you see pretty good coverage regardless of sex. Hell, search it up on youtube, you'll find a pretty good selection of videos of both sexes being abused. Claiming sexism in this instance is some repugnant shit, man.
In summary: The officer escalated the physical engagement far too quickly against a suspected criminal, endangering both her health and his career, at very little provocation.
this. this on so many levels.
[–]Imakestuffupp 4 points5 points6 points 23 hours ago
Why does a cop have to hit anyone? I'm sure she could have been restrained in a much calmer manner if he had tried. She clearly wasn't 'getting away'
That kind of head trauma could have the potential for serious injury / fatality. Much too much IMHO.
[–]XYRecoilToTheFace 7 points8 points9 points 23 hours ago
Is this sarcastic?
On what planet did he need to knock her down because she was walking away? Fuckin american police. In almost any other civilized country, the cop would have told her to stop, walked up to her, grabbed her arm and dragged her back - because that was more than enough.
In the U.S. he charges at a 15 y/o drunk girl, knocks her down with brutal force and some idiot online defends him. You say "fleeing a crime scene" all I see is a drunk teenager walking a few feet, would hardly call that fleeing. But just in case you are so lazy you can't be arsed to read the definition:
If this "violent" criminal was a 7 year old boy, would it have been justified hitting him down to the ground - because he was walking away after hitting a class mate? No, it's excessive force. The police officer could have just grabbed her arm and walked her back, instead he went over the line and beat her, face first, to the ground.
She could have broken her nose or had a concussion - lucky for him she landed quite lucky.
If this had been a teenage boy, weighing 100 pounds, the situation would have been exactly the same. If this was a teenager the size of this guy, then yes. That amount of force might have been necessary.
[–]HiImBane 13 points14 points15 points 1 day ago
This happened next to where I live (Central Phoenix, AZ)...This kind of stuff goes on a daily- especially around that area (next to this hella ghetto Wal-Mart)
[–]OMROKER 409 points410 points411 points 1 day ago
Stop resisting!!!
[–]Trudy_Wiegel 42 points43 points44 points 1 day ago
Jump Down Turn Around!!!
[–]xCRUXx 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago
Stick it out! Even white boys got to shout
[–]EnderVViggen 27 points28 points29 points 1 day ago
Pick a bail of cotton,
Jump Down Turn Around
Pick a bail of hay!
[–]SJfakinger 22 points23 points24 points 1 day ago
Nope it was "pick a bale a day"
[–]EnderVViggen 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
well luda has an accent lol
[–]SJfakinger 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago
That cotton pickin' song is an old cotton pickin' song.
[–]pazimpanet 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
Oh lordie!
[–]potted 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
lawdy!
[–]LurkDerp29 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
Is this from a movie or show, it sounds really familiar.
[–]rochambeau 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
It's an old sharecroppers' song about field labor.
[–]isthisit00 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
A girl sings it in Girl, Interrupted...
[–]skatedaddy 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
Ludacris also used it in a song called "the potion".
[–]rilesjenkins 18 points19 points20 points 1 day ago
Everybody walk the dinosaur!
[–]conspiracy_thug 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
Do the Hustle!
[–]Trudy_Wiegel 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
Everyday.
[–]llort_revocrednu 17 points18 points19 points 1 day ago
Suspect is belligerent. Requesting Back up!
[–]orangepart 8 points9 points10 points 1 day ago
i fucking hate police
[–]niacj -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago
I fucking hate having a safe society too.
[–]NonViolentWar 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago
If what we have is "safety", you can have it.
[–]ivenoideawhat 15 points16 points17 points 1 day ago
He's shorter than a 15 year old girl. He's definitely got an inferiority complex.
[–]pm11 215 points216 points217 points 1 day ago
TAG you're it!
[–]thecoletrane 14 points15 points16 points 1 day ago
Watch out you have a bee on your face!!!
[–]Aaronmcom 19 points20 points21 points 1 day ago
So shall we have a .GIF compilation of cop force?
[–]ChompyTBear 33 points34 points35 points 1 day ago
"She tripped me when I pushed her, YOU ALL SAW IT!"
[–]MufasaJesus 17 points18 points19 points 1 day ago
Let's teach her violence is wrong by using violence!
[–]Secrete_Persona 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
Fucking hate violent people...fuck hopes some one stabs violent people in the fucking face..........fuck.
[–]Patches67 194 points195 points196 points 1 day ago
Oh no, she's slowly walking away, break her fucking spine.
[–]sefy98 136 points137 points138 points 1 day ago
Let's punish the cop by giving him paid time off! That'll teach him.
[–]Lord_NiteShade 32 points33 points34 points 1 day ago
Paperwork and a stern talking too is more likely.
[–]TenBeers 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago
"Okay, we'll fill out the paperwork, you've had a rough day."
[–]hellswaters 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
That sounds even worse. Give me the paid time off any day
[–]ThisOpenFist 25 points26 points27 points 1 day ago*
It's not punishment. It's a routine part of the investigation. Cops are placed on leave all the time during investigations into their involvement with certain crimes. Like other citizens, they are presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, and therefore are not to be punished beforehand.
[–]reddit1138 40 points41 points42 points 1 day ago*
Yes, this is exactly like how I would be treated if I was accused of assault. They would send me home and pay me until I was found innocent or guilty. Just like other citizens, I wouldn't be punished before I am found guilty in a court of law. Say by ramming my head into the fucking ground, or tazing me, or locking me up, or anything like that. Cops are treated exactly like you or me. You're damn right it's not punishment! </rant>
EDIT: Also, have an upvote.
[–]sweet_potatofries 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
Presumed innocent until proven guilty like other citizens? What the fuck planet do you live on?
[–]Rawtashk 236 points237 points238 points 1 day ago
You need to see this in context. She was the perpetrator of an assault crime. She then tries to casually walk away when the cops show up. She was also drunk, and assaulted her mother and teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-shg_yirY&feature=related
Too much force? Probably, but not as entirely unwarranted as you might think
[–]Canadian_Infidel 61 points62 points63 points 1 day ago
It's not the cops job to punish people. Leave the law making to the law makers. It was totally unwarranted.
[–]binxwalker 20 points21 points22 points 1 day ago
Exactly! They're supposed to use the minimal force required to apprehend a suspected law breaker, but far too many thug cops believe that they have the right to mete out their version of street justice. What a prick.
[–]CarolineTurpentine 30 points31 points32 points 1 day ago
Yeah, that still doesn't mean that the officer's first attempt to arrest her should be slamming her into a concrete wall. She was not resisting arrest, in fact the video makes it seem like that was the first attempt to bring her into police custody and that is fucked up.
[–]Shazamicide 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
I always find it funny that people believe its okay for someone to beat someones ass - and that poor bastard catching the ass whooping is trying his damndest to fight back usually - but then complain when a police officer uses violence to take down a violent perpetrator. You think the person on the defense wouldn't have done this, had they the opportunity?
Did you think the police officer was going to approach a violent suspect casually and ask them to 'please cooperate and get down on the ground'? How the fuck is he supposed to know if that person is armed or not? Why take the chance, considering what he already knows - that the person is violent? I love the double standard here.
Or how no one comments on how the person recording didn't try do a damn thing to intervene or stop the fight - but rather, figured the absolute best recourse was to simply get a giggle out of recording a beat down.
[–]Ralfayel 81 points82 points83 points 1 day ago
The police officer still was using excessive force....
[–]Rawtashk 73 points74 points75 points 1 day ago
...never said he was justified, was just giving you the whole story.
[–]spicewoman 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago
Your wording implied that the full story made it somehow more okay.
[–]Todomanna 26 points27 points28 points 1 day ago
That's the thing about shades of grey, they can still be pretty dark.
[–]HomieHavko 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
;)
[–]JRutterbush 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
This isn't shades of gray. It's not black and white, either. It's just one person who did a bad thing, and another person who also did a bad thing. There doesn't have to be a "good guy" and a "bad guy". They both did wrong.
[–]ElGoddamnDorado 25 points26 points27 points 1 day ago
Too much force? Probably, but not as entirely unwarranted as you might think.
Because I figure you may have missed that.
[–]moofdivr 37 points38 points39 points 1 day ago
How exactly does that negate from the concept of proportional force? If someone assaults someone and casually walks away, they are still casually walking away. That kind of force used was totally unnecessary and dangerous.
[–]sweatpantswarrior 12 points13 points14 points 1 day ago
So what you're saying is that the way a person leaves the scene of a crime is more relevant to how a police officer should respond than how they acted during the crime not 15 seconds prior?
[–]SteelCrossx 16 points17 points18 points 1 day ago
I was trained that such is the case. In fact, in the military we had drills where we'd practice dropping the level of force a split second "before impact" (for lack of a better term) if the person changed their aggression. Since my police training was in the Army, I can't speak for the civilian academy.
[–]Jewnadian 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
Pretty fucking much, the officer is supposed to respond to the current threat. You wouldn't expect an officer to ignore a guy pulling a gun because 15 sec ago he was calm right? This officer had time to get up to a run chasing a girl walking away. He had every right to arrest her but to pretend that he was unable to assess the changing situation and thus had to tackle her is silly.
[–]Moonchopper 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
Yea, while I fear this is already a /r/circlejerk in regards to police brutality, this much force WAS unwarranted and he didn't need to do that in order to stop her. Context is certainly important, and 'lessens' the severity, but does not justify it.
[–]Rawtashk 8 points9 points10 points 1 day ago
If I shoot you, then walk away.....cops should just tap me on the shoulder? Pretty sure the officer can use the same force the other people used.
But...since you seem to have glossed over it....I never said it was warranted. But you know what would have prevented it? Her not being a drunken cunt in the first place.
[–]dangerflakes 21 points22 points23 points 1 day ago
If you shoot some one then put he gun down and your hands up, do you believe the cops should be able to shoot you?
[–]binaryecho 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
yes, he does. given the context of the previous comment.
[–]Dlucks83 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
It is not the cops job to dole out any type of punishment. They are supposed to resolve situations with the least amount of physical force as possible. No one was in any type of danger at this point. Even if he did trip, he still put himself in a situation where he could have done some serious bodily harm to her when there was no visual evidence of him being in any trouble. Nothing about this was warranted.
[–]johnbentley 13 points14 points15 points 1 day ago
No, it is entirely unwarranted. The officer could readily have detained her without smashing her head against the wall.
[–]elbruce 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago
It's unwarranted. His job is to detain, not punish.
[–]long_haul_comm 56 points57 points58 points 1 day ago
Makes you wonder what she did before this. Almost like..... there is probably more to the story.....
[–]McPiggy 59 points60 points61 points 1 day ago
Not too much more could warrant that in my eyes. Maybe if right before the video comes on she tells the cop "I'm walking casually over to my detonator now and when I get there, I'm going to blow up the whole mall; unless you can somehow stop me!"
[–]dtfgator 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago
I remember seeing a video a few days ago where something exactly like this happened and the guy ended up in a coma...
[–]OneCrookedVulture 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago
I'm guessing here's your incident.
[–]NonViolentWar 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
Jesus, do they learn how to do this in school? The girl in the video we are commenting on could have easily ended up with a severe head injury.
[–]Kamikaze-Turtle 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
Fucking disgusting. I legitimately would not mind if every time a video of a police officer abusing his power like this popped up, some vigilante would do exactly the same thing to the perpetrator. Slam that officer into a wall, break his neck, and see if they'll brush it off as "a terrible accident".
[–]conspiracy_thug 16 points17 points18 points 1 day ago
"if i cant legally fuck you, ill legally fuck you up!"
[–]Eightgasm 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
Tis is how the world outta be. Whenever you feel It's the right you just need to SMACK A HOE
[–]crusoe 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
An officer doing this in Seattle killed someone.
[–]doktor_wankenstein 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago
Thank goodness he wasn't in fear of his life.
He might have shot her.
[–]pedroesperanca 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
i hope the guy lost his badge
[–]R88SHUN 22 points23 points24 points 1 day ago
He did.
He lost it in the sand, while he was at the beach on his paid vacation.
[–]TaKeN-Uk 86 points87 points88 points 1 day ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UywLNfRLUgM
There you go. Doesn't say anything about "She was being a total asshole and beat the shit out of some other girl. Once you see it, you'll be rooting for the smack down by the cop." gth68 ;)
[–]dirtymoney 85 points86 points87 points 1 day ago
no, she deserves to be cuffed and taken to jail.
[–]sho-nuff 39 points40 points41 points 1 day ago
then tried and punished if found guilty
[–]fuckyoubarry 21 points22 points23 points 1 day ago
and then get a sentence of pushed into a wall
[–]mooktard 36 points37 points38 points 1 day ago
I will never root for a smack down by a cop. Why? Because police should be a role model of how to be a good citizen. Do police need to get physical sometimes? Absolutely, no doubt about it. This is not an example of good police work, however much the girl may have deserved an asswhooping.
[–]SteelCrossx 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
I absolutely agree here. I honestly believe part of the problem is our militarization of the police force and I say this as a former Army MP.
[–]qwop88 106 points107 points108 points 1 day ago
She was being a total asshole and beat the shit out of some other girl.
That doesn't mean the cop should beat her up, that's not how law is supposed to work.
[–]ejuze 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
use of force continuum. she was physical, so he had to be more physical. typical cop procedure 101. he doesnt know the emotional state of this girl or what she has on her. we look at this objectively that the cop was wrong, there are so many people in this world that want to hurt police officers, just because she seems unassuming doesn't mean she isn't. he didnt continue to beat her afterwards, when she was down, he detained her, perfect procedure. there is nothing wrong with what this man did. sure he probably could have just grabbed and spun her around, but again you don't know the mental state especially if she punched her mom and was allegedly drunk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum
[–]CarolineTurpentine 14 points15 points16 points 1 day ago
From what he saw she wasn't displaying an violent tendencies. She was casually walking away, and she is after all a 15 year old drunk girl; I think that it would be fairly easy for her to be detained without this level of force. Some caution should be advised but he still could have killed a 15 year old girl. That sort of blow to the head can be lethal.
[–]NonViolentWar 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
there is nothing wrong with what this man did. sure he probably could have just grabbed and spun her around, but again you don't know the mental state especially if she punched her mom and was allegedly drunk
You'd slam someones face into a wall at full speed on "allegedly" huh?
You can approach cautiously for a start.
[–]moofdivr 15 points16 points17 points 1 day ago
You're right, the officer was unsure of how she would react. Does that excuse a blatantly dangerous takedown maneuver? She could have suffered serious brain damage, become paralyzed, or died. He's serving and protecting the public, including the women he's arresting. If he needs to get physical, he can do it in a safe manner. Preferably, not at all.
[–]smokes_degrass 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
are you kidding dude, doesn't matter what she did before this. she was not a threat to the officer at the moment he pushed her, which was far too violently.
there is no excuse in this situation. She was not violently resisting in any way, for at least a good 5-10 seconds and 20-30 yards.
[–]BigPickleGuy 179 points180 points181 points 1 day ago
She deserves to get beat up but not from a cop, his job isn't to push people like this
[–]SadTruth_HappyLies 97 points98 points99 points 1 day ago
Let's allow cops to be judge, jury and executioner. What could possibly go wrong?
[–]Honu_in_the_middle 65 points66 points67 points 1 day ago
"The law doesn't make mistakes".- Judge Dredd
[–]sndzag1 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago
Nothing, it would just be a really badass movie.
[–]mahuzair 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago
Agreed
[–]asldkfououhe 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
why does she deserve to get beat up? what the fuck is the matter with reddit?
[–]mahuzair 54 points55 points56 points 1 day ago
The problem is when you know the whole story you want her to get the smack down. But the law should be be impartial in a perfect world. When I joined I swore " with neither fear, nor favour, of fairness and with impartiality".
[–]a-holt 12 points13 points14 points 1 day ago
remembering this the next time a cop's whim ruins my life for years.
[–]mahuzair 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
Listen I don't know how it works in the states, but in my experience, I swear in my country if cops act unreasonably and its this obvious, they are held accountable. Now I just sit back and wait for people to disbelieve that, call me a liar or naive.
[–]a-holt 16 points17 points18 points 1 day ago*
Nope. I've been fucked pretty hard by the law. I had a cop write down the wrong RCW(basically the number that corresponds with the charge) and for accidentally hitting a pole with my car and causing no damage, I got charged with hit and run-injuring a person. You can imagine the penalties for hitting a car and hurting a human, then fleeing the scene are quite a bit higher than what I deserved. Took me a year to get it amended, after going to jail, paying the fine, and having my license revoked-basically the damage was done. After I got it amended-without an apology of any sort-they still saw it fit to recharge me with the hitting the pole, and I had to pay a fine and get that on my record. That's just story one. I have more.
Edit:removed ignorant, emotional statement.
[–]punchthings 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
One time my dad's friend got arrested for public intoxication or something silly, and the cops went and picked him up and then pulled up his record and he had a whole bunch of shit on there, and the cops drove out to the city limits and beat him almost to death and then just left him there, & nothing ever happened to the cops who did it, and I'm in Canada.
[–]a-holt 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago
I got arrested for drinking underage. I was 20. Yes I broke the law, but 100 miles north from where I was, what I was doing would be perfectly legal. Anyway, we we're pulled over, with a sober driver. I had three beers or something, blew under .08. I got my face beat up pretty bad before the whole thing was done, and they wrote down I beat my own face on the window inside the cop car. Went to jail for a week for drinking 3 beers when I was 20 and $1000 fine. lol justice.
[–]Robert_Cannelin 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
What is your country, if we may be so bold?
In the U.S. of A., cops get away with awful shit all the time, just like everyone else.
[–]mahuzair 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
England. I'm sorry to hear that. People should have faith in their police, feel protected and be understood.
[–]balla4life 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
The mentality that she needs a smack down is disgusting. I wouldn't just lay there quietly if my Mother was holding me down either. She walked away, which is what is taught to kids when they know they need to diffuse a situation. I also don't believe that she suffered no injuries as narrator in the video states. This cop deserves the same treatment he gave that girl. We may need a football player (American) to get the ratio right.
[–]BigDickDan 29 points30 points31 points 1 day ago
Watched the video. still not rooting for the cop. Not rooting for her either but the cop probably knows the law better than anyone of us here. He should know there is a due process for any matter.
AND she was a 15 year old girl, would it ever take that much force to take a 15 year old 130 pound girl to the ground?
[–]wmgregory 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
That slomo...
(excuse my off subjectness)
[–]tooschool4kool 14 points15 points16 points 1 day ago
downvotes for you. because police officers are supposed to use "necessary" force when the girl is walking away from the fucking situation.
[–]VileKyle 18 points19 points20 points 1 day ago
The myth is that police try to use the least amount of force necessary.
The reality is that they use the greatest amount of force they can justify.
[–]ReasonReader 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
..or can't justify, as the case at hand demonstrates.
[–]CamilloBrillo 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
So if that happened back in January why the hell is the journalist "reporting from downtown" months later!?
[–]caiada 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
The only person who deserves a beating is the uploader who wrote that horrendous description and title.
(Half-kidding, before people freak out)
[–]TheAlmightyProphet 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Yet more proof that phittsburg sucks.
[–]larg3-p3nis 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago
I'm not sure cops are supposed to hand down smack downs.
[–]hacksoncode 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
Huh, before I saw this I was going to say that it looked like he tripped.
[–]SadTruth_HappyLies 9 points10 points11 points 1 day ago
Nice try, internal affairs.
[–]stopthefate 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
Yea, you know, since cops aren't held to a higher standard or anything...
[–]wolf156 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
Seriously she's drunk at school and assaults a teacher and her own mother in the parking lot.
On top of the fact that you don't hear any of the audio in the video so you can't tell if the cop is yelling at her to stop as she walks off.
Fuck her. Let her eat sidewalk.
[–]scoal64 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
this was in fear of her obvious ninja skills.. (-_-)
[–]FalconFXR 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Whoah, WTF! I would love to know the siituation that brought this much rage from the officer.
[–]SrDigbyChickenCaesar 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
After watching this video and learning the context, I can say two things: I'm pretty sure he's just really uncoordinated, and she deserved it.
[–]imstartingover 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
That's disgusting.
[–]chudgooo 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
Ever wonder what happens too all the high school football players who never make it to the NFL?
[–]Jamartin51212 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago
Damned cops are all outta control. I just had a cop grab me a month ago and yanked me out of my front door and down the stairs in front of my house. And he wasn't even supposed to be at my house in the first place. Every cop out there needs to be fired or shot. I say let them pick. Assholes.
[–]Hyooz 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago
This is going to get buried, and likely downvoted, but every time I watch this, it looks to me like he trips right as he gets to her. Watch his foot catch the sidewalk as he steps up. I don't see him taking a swing, it looks like he's just got too much momentum built up and ended up plowing into her.
If that was the case, admittedly it would make sense if he SAID that, but that's just what I see here.
[–]ChaosMotor 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
He "trips" after he's slammed himself into her, and her into the wall.
[–]perminator 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
Should have tased her.
[–]mcintosh031 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
Yea after she beat her own mother and tried to leave the scene after he told her to stop. Oh it didn't show the whole story
[–]Milhouse_is_a_meme 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
Cop: "Man I could really use a holiday"
Smash woman, paid vacation.
[–]Caplet 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
This is why I hate cops.
[–]helio2k 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
I do not understand why this such a common incident in the US (assuming this is from the US) It's like Citizens and policemen are enemys, where they should be allies...
[–]ReadySetKill 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
They are cunts with almost no oversight or accountability. Most police victims are your average good citizen. People don't get it until they are victimized by a cop.
[–]shadock 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago
Chick actually beat up her mother or another girl or something in the parking lot and then just started "briskly" walking away. And its clear the cop tripped. But yeah that sucks.
[–]Jazzper74 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
Dont judge till you know the context.
[–]jbenuniv 13 points14 points15 points 1 day ago
The context is clearly not the girl using force on anyone at the moment, and so the use of that level of force was unjustified.
[–]whalesharkdolphin 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
Just to clarify your comment, that is the usual idea behind unjustified force (there ARE exceptions based on the circumstances, such as if she was a threat to anyone but just not currently using force, and a few others)...but either way in this case, even in the context, it appears that that force was unnecessary at that time. Now if that had happen when she was hitting her mom like she was earlier in the video...then this would be a different story
[–]shouldacookies 23 points24 points25 points 1 day ago
I think she was under arrest(If I recall correctly?) but didnt have cuffs on at the time, then when the cop told her to stay put she got up and walked away..and then bam sacked for a 6 yard loss
[–]expertcunnilinguist 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago
so when a philysically small teenage girl disobeys your lawful authority and walks away after you tell her to stay put, the apropriate response is a sprinting throat strike/check/tackle into a wall? I don't think so. this was unnesesary force and brutality. I'm not even a trained officer and I could have easily caught and restrained her without violence. he did that out of anger, and that's inappropriate for a law officer.
[–]suspencealot 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago
Just shut the fuck up and accept it for how funny it is
[–]kuhlguymccabe 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
I don't understand. She clearly doesn't look like Rodney king
[–]DanIpp 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
This is just assault, that's all I see. Vicious assault
[–]krogers1337 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
It's situations like this that motivate me to joining the Police force one day and show people that 95% of cops are not douches.
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[–]fennalty 18 points19 points20 points 1 day ago
Damn, he must feel so manly and strong. Fucking coward.
FTFY
[–]GOLTRON 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago
Who's coward? And further more, why is he fucking him/her?
[–]Wrezix 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago
Look out you're talking too a Street King! By the capitalization of letters in his username I estimate his age to be around 15!
[–]kindabiglie 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Nah he was obviously born in '69, look at the numbers at the end of his name.
[–]HwatsDat 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago
The 69 in it knocks it down to 12.
[–]Trent1373 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Total WWE moment.
[–]Provenzer0 -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 day ago*
Oldie but goodie. Would people say this was excessive if it were a man?
Edit: How does this question not contribute to the discussion? I'll take the downvotes, I have plenty of Karma to spare, just curious as to the train of thought that went into the downvotes.
[–]eeyore134 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago*
People have been saying something -exactly- like this was excessive with a man. Of course, in this case, the man was permanently disabled by it. And... to make matters worse, this guy ended up being innocent, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5qlg-EDFCE
[–]mahuzair 22 points23 points24 points 1 day ago
Yeah I probably would. Ive had to write up a lot of use of force reports over the years, but I have no idea how you can justify this?
[–]IQis100 21 points22 points23 points 1 day ago
She could have been a robot of some kind trying to blend in as a human after ripping the guts of 12 innocent citizens, and the cop tried to break the CPU on that thing before it started taking over satellites and sending nukes all over the earth
[–]annieloux 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago
Well this is clearly the most obvious explanation.
The cop deserves a fucking medal. And you get an honorable mention.
[–]mooktard 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Absolutely would say it is excessive, even if it was a 7 foot tall dude in chainmail.
[–]konyfan2012 -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 day ago
cops are such brave heros
[–]makgzd 14 points15 points16 points 1 day ago
Maybe this cop is a dick, but can you please not generalize all cops?
[–]room4activities 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
That was Ke$ha and he did that so she wouldn't make anymore songs. Totally justified... Dude's a national hero
[–]jakersbossman -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago
God that's awesome. Bitch earned it.
[–]crikfromcincy 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
I honestly thought it said Proportionate use of THE force.... kept staring at gif wondering what the link to Star Wars was.
[–]endaras 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Yet another flaw of the legal system http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19253861
[–]JSlayerz -2 points-1 points0 points 1 day ago
She forgot the mayo
[–]kallell 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Silly me, here i thought this would be a Starwars reference.
[–]Mariiola -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago
Ha! I remember when this happened.. it was about a block away from my house. :)
[–]Meat_Confetti 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Man, do they teach that push-and-leg-sweep thing on Day One of police training?
[–]DrAlcoholocaust 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
Can someone tell me what this is from? What did that girl do? It looks like she is just a regular person minding her own business.
[–]lifes_paragon -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago
She got the head down part, but didn't get the ass up....:s
[–]godofallcows 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
This is like reddit and hipsters.
[–]jomomma1717 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Is that the new Paul Blart movie
[–]Ryvienna 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
That's what she gets for jay-walking.
[–]Turpinator17 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Score for police brutality!!
[–]TrollisaurusRex 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
That's what you cop lovin' Redditors get. Oh, wait, wait. Lemme guess. It's just one bad apple, right? When do we realize it's just too many damn bad apples and cut down the whole fucking tree?
[–]FatFromSpeed 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
It's so fucking out of control she got charged with aggravated assault for "striking" someone at her school. She is a fifteen year old girl. Fights happen in school all the time. Now days we give our students aggravated assault charges for getting into fights in school? School is a time for kids to learn how to become members of society; a little leniency should be considered for them. I'm not saying all fights should be looked at this way but, this one seems like it should of been looked at with a little mercy.
[–]xLilithx 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Pick up that can...
[–]metalmike187 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
As much as I hate reposts, I actually enjoy this one.
[–]Markgravy 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Officer>Bus Driver
[–]GAMERBOB93 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Relevant
[–]thewindandrain 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Well what do you expect guys? This is in Maricopa county.
[–]mattrose 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
this is bullshit, ive seen my friend tackled, nearly tazed and pinned to the ground and cuffed for having booze
[–]CanIGetaHellYeah 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Proportionate use of cutting out of the first half this video. She could have just shot someone in the face, point is - we have no idea what she did.
[–]Troncat69 -2 points-1 points0 points 1 day ago
"A wild hipster appears " "Asshole cop I choose you" "Asshole cop uses tackle" "Wild hipster fainted"
[–]chusurus -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago
She was illegally Walking
[–]E2M8 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
Woah- The officer almost fell, good thing he caught himself on the wall- He could have really hurt that girl..
[–]Sopac 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
That's excessive contact on a defenseless player, John. 15 yard penalty, automatic 1st down.
[–]jaygibby22 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Worst tackling form ever. You need to wrap your opponent up to prevent them from escaping.
[–]platapus112 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
a object in motion will stay in motion until acted upon by a outside force in this case its the wall and the floor
[–]snebmiester 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Elbow to the face
[–]georgemovie 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago
Never steal a donut from a cop!
[–]sexybassman -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago
It doesn't seem like he meant to shove her over. Look at the way he reaches out to try and catch her when she falls. Seems more to me like a clumsy cop than police brutality.
[–]Hefeweize 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
That's why you don't steal candy
[–]keviniseasy 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
I thought she was leaving the scene if a stabbing,or something. Jesus dude just trip her or something.
[–]stasia89 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
someone's getting sued
[–]D3m3N 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
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