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Jesus Vs. Horus (imgur.com)
submitted 1 day ago by caj12377
[–]kryptoday 53 points54 points55 points 23 hours ago
This just screams Zeitgeist.
[–]Scrial 8 points9 points10 points 23 hours ago
Yeah, probably came straight out of that movie, and even there most of it was already made up. A shame though, I want to believe!
[–]kryptoday 9 points10 points11 points 23 hours ago
I know, I was so disappointed when I looked up their facts and found hot steaming piles of bull.
So I took solace in the overall message.
And then they released the other Zeitgeist movies, and their agenda shat all over my solacing.
[–]Infiltr4tor 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago
Great for theory crafting though. But yes, you kind of get this sense of "I want to know more, OMG!" and then end up doing the research on your own. What you end up with is a giant pile of disappointment.
Interesting material though, kind of like the Sumarians and how it correlates with what today we deem modern religions. The only one who can say to a definite is Zecharia Sitchin who honestly could have said just about anything. After all, that's how Scientology started.
[–]foofdawg[] 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
Or out of the movie "Religulous" from Bill Maher.
[–]lridescent 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago
Didn't Bill Maher put it in his movie as well? It was a real low point for me.
[–]zeitg3ist 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Yes it does! And it bugs me a lot!
[–]twokoolfourskool 478 points479 points480 points 23 hours ago*
Hmm..let's point out everything wrong with this picture.
Isis was not a virgin when she gave birth to Horus. She was married to Osiris and conceived Horus by him.
Horus was born on the last day of the Egyptian month of Khoiak, which corresponds on our calendar to Nov. 15th. Even if his birthday is celebrated on December 25th, it still has absolutely no correspondence to the Bible since the birth day of Jesus is never given. This is a very moot point. Bishop Liberius of Rome officially set Christmas to December 25th in 354 A.D. , well after the Biblical account of Jesus' life. One can say that it was inspired from the birthday of Horus since its such a common misconception, but we get many things today from mythology. For example, the tendon in our heels is called the Achilles' tendon from the Greek myth of Achilles who was immortal except for his heel and was shot by a poison arrow in the heel, this killing him.
He was born in a swamp, not a manger (not in the picture, but a common misconception)
Horus had 4 disciples, called the "Heru Shemsu" and he also had a group of devoted followers made up of blacksmiths who took up arms with him but they are never numbered.
There's a lot more wrong with this pic that I want to point out but I'm tired and am tired of typing on my phone.
EDIT: There are some conflicting sources as to whether it was Bishop Liberius or Constantine declaring the birth of Christ to be celebrated on December 25th. Point is, a man declared that Christ's birthday was to be celebrated on that date long after the Biblical account of the life of Jesus.
[–]TechnicallyRon 152 points153 points154 points 22 hours ago
I am pretty sure that OP copied thisfrom that film 'zeitgeist' which is a 2 hour long conspiracy theorists shit tank.
[–]Infiltr4tor 18 points19 points20 points 21 hours ago
I was going to say, "I watched this somewhere." Long stretches in attempts to make a comparison as if uncovering some astronomical historical finding.
That being said Horus was a badass.
[–]TechnicallyRon 30 points31 points32 points 20 hours ago
Horus, badass you say?
[–]misery001 23 points24 points25 points 17 hours ago
Oh, yea.
[–]TalekAetem 4 points5 points6 points 17 hours ago
vomits What's with that design?
[–]ScreamingSkull 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
The repugnant paradoxical design of Chaos
[–]smackavelli 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
Naming your child after a badass will ensure badassness.
[–]bobjon14 -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago
Here it is very fun video makes you think if its all bullshit of actually connected to a past truth YouTube:<br/><br/>http://youtu.be/oZgT1SRcrKE
[–]severus_stark -5 points-4 points-3 points 20 hours ago
definitely where it came from. here, have an internets.
[–]dirtyjersey84 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago
Ah the days of college you-tube viewing long passed...I remember watching all 3 while somewhat drunk at the reccemendation of my pot-head roomates
[–]nickiter 21 points22 points23 points 17 hours ago
As soon as I saw this, I was like "first comment's going to debunk most of this, this is way too convenient."
[–]DraugrMurderboss 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
I love me some fact checking.
[–]Drooperdoo 13 points14 points15 points 17 hours ago*
According to most Biblical scholars (from internal clues regarding vegetation and animals herds in the fields, etc.), they believe that Jesus was probably born sometime in late September/early October.
P.S.—Mithraism is generally thought by mainstream scholars to be a much more solid influence on proto-Christianity than Egyptian religion was. Mithras (the Jesus from Persia that predates the Palestinian messiah) was born on December 25th, and this is the more credible source for Christianity's adopting the date. Mithraism was brought back from Rome from their outposts in the Near East and it was the largest religion in the empire before Constantine adopted Christianity and imposed that instead. Most of the staples of Christianity were lifted lock, stock and barrel from Mithraism. Anybody who's studied the Roman empire knows this.
[–]wyvernx02 4 points5 points6 points 17 hours ago
There is also that the Bible never states how many wise men visited Jesus. There were three gifts but it never states how many gave those gifts. They also came from the east so they wouldn't have been following the north star while traveling west.
[–]theregoesanother 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
Casper, Balthazaar, and Melchior?
[–]FoeHammer99099 6 points7 points8 points 16 hours ago
Are never mentioned in the Bible.
[–]whiskeyonsunday 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago
But they were mentioned in Chrono Trigger, so.
[–]theregoesanother 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
What never mentioned? My story? Maybe that's because it's mine and not the bible's scenario.
[–]cassancellor 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
It doesn't say how many wise men brought gifts to "jesus" in the original post.
[–]wyvernx02 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
Thanks, missed that. Saw the 3 for Horus and though it was in both.
[–]cassancellor 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
I just noticed it because of the difference. I was raised catholic and they always said there were three wise men.
[–]Drooperdoo 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago*
Yeah, the wise men "from the east" are generally thought to have been from Persia (exactly where Mithraism is from). In traditional portraits, they try to establish the universality of Christianity by making each wise man represent a different race: You'll have a white one, a black one and an Asian one. In reality, though, they were not an inter-racial group of dudes. Just astrologers from Persia.
The Jews got a lot of stuff from their captivity from the Babylonian epoch and had a massive Persian influence. They got their concept of a priest-class from Persia. They adopted the skullcap from Persia, too.
It's called the "Middle" East for a reason. Because places like Palestine were smack-dab in the middle between two massive cultural magnetic poles: Greece and Persia.
From Greece, they probably nicked Solon (one of the wise men of Athens). This "philosopher-king" was noted for his wise sayings . . . just as "Solomon" later was. Note the similarity in name. The Book of Ecclesiastes was a crib from Greek stoic philosophy. Even the concept of the messiah came from Greece. (Jews wanted a Jewish Alexander.) It's why after Alexander died at the age of 33, the early Christian church rushed to claim that Jesus died at the age of 33. (They were trying to make connections between the two men.) Alexander's influence was so massive that the New Testament was written in Greek (not Hebrew or Aramaic.) And when archaeologists excavated Jerusalem from the time of Jesus 75% of the tombstones were written in Greek, not Aramaic.
They were thoroughly Hellenized.
And before that, they were thoroughly Persianized.
It's like the popular movie "The 300". The ancient world was a battlefield between Greeks and Persians. Most of the people in the middle were a hodgepodge of both influences.
[–]TheCannon 11 points12 points13 points 17 hours ago
Your take on the conception of Horus is not entirely accurate. Conception was not as simple as a couple of gods doing the nasty, but rather an intricate ritual.
Isis was protecting her Brother/Husband from attackers, but eventually failed in that duty, wherein Osiris was killed. Isis then transformed into a bird and flew around loudly mourning, until she fanned the body of Osiris with her wings, drawing out his "essence" and conceiving Horus.
There is no discussion in the existing texts to say whether or not she was a virgin at the time of conception, so to make a claim either way is just as disingenuous as the other.
[–]xenospork 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
I thought she used his cut-off penis?
[–]TheCannon 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
The last paragraph of the text contains an allusion to Isis, the sister and wife of Osiris, and mentions the legend of the birth of Horus, which even under the XVIIIth Dynasty was very ancient, Isis, we are told, was the constant protectress of her brother, she drove away the fiends that wanted to attack him, and kept them out of his shrine and tomb, and she guarded him from all accidents. All these things she did by means of spells and incantations, large numbers of which were known to her, and by her power as the "witch-goddess." Her "mouth was trained to perfection, and she made no mistake in pronouncing her spells, and her tongue was skilled and halted not." At length came the unlucky day when Set succeeded in killing Osiris during the war which the "good god" was waging against him and his fiends. Details of the engagement are wanting, but the Pyramid Texts state that the body of Osiris was hurled to the ground by Set at a place called Netat, which seems to have been near Abydos. The news of the death of Osiris was brought to Isis, and she at once set out to find his body. All legends agree in saying that she took the form of a bird, and that she flew about unceasingly, going hither and thither, and uttering wailing cries of grief. At length she found the body, and with a piercing cry she alighted on the ground. The Pyramid Texts say that Nephthys was with her that "Isis came, Nephthys came, the one on the right side, the other on the left side, one in the form of a Hat bird, the other in the form of a Tchert bird, and they found Osiris thrown on the ground in Netat by his brother Set." The late form of the legend goes on to say that Isis fanned the body with her feathers, and produced air, and that at length she caused the inert members of Osiris to move, and drew from him his essence, wherefrom she produced her child Horus.
[–]MCA2142 4 points5 points6 points 16 hours ago
It's a post about a bird person. Relax.
[–]myeyesdilate 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
Thanks for the voice of reason, everyone's getting their titties in a twist.
[–]rsong965 11 points12 points13 points 17 hours ago
but.. but but. he made a picture, so that means its true.
[–]elitegamerbros 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
December 25th birthday was a tradition that started by the council of nicea in order to attract pagans to Christianity. So if christian leaders were capable making such a change to the "holy" story in order to progress their agenda, they probably did it many other times given all the other similarities.
[–]supergai 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
also, (though not really helping) jesus had nothing to do with the north star. I don't want to check for sure right now, but it's a reference to the old testament where the Canaanites predicted that the Israelites would attack when a certain star was in the sky, same one for jesus. (star of Jacob i think?)
[–]BurtonSnowboards 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
All of this never happened.
[–]goodbyegalaxy 7 points8 points9 points 17 hours ago
So the picture is only 75% correct? Phew, that's just enough to allow me to keep on clinging to my beliefs.
[–]shit-head 19 points20 points21 points 17 hours ago
Follower of Horus, I take it?
[–]shadmere 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
Seriously.
There are plenty of Horus myths that match up surprisingly well to Jesus myths, just as there are plenty of similarities with Asclepius and the Neoplatonic myths of Plato, as well.
It almost seems as if a lot of these myths come from the same general region, and the cultures involved with the beliefs had a fair amount of cross-talk. Shocking, I know!
But somehow a good deal of people have decided that "an interesting and perhaps surprising number of similarities between myths" means "identical in every possible way."
Bah.
[–]opeth10657 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
Isn't a lot of the christian mythology pulled from other religions anyway? or for that matter, aren't most religions just passing around the same ideas?
[–]shadmere 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Any religion is going to draw, at least somewhat, from the cultures that it grew from.
[–]abom420 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Well, this is kind of weird but I've had re occuring dreams about being shot in the ankle. I must've read this awhile back and totally forgot or something.
[–]BeerGogglesFTW 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
From what I remember, the "Adam and Eve" story was much more similar.
[–]naksidras 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
I'm glad you did this because you saved me from having to do it....AGAIN.
[–]myeyesdilate -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago
FALSE. It's all wrong and utter bullshit.
[–]Frack-Star -5 points-4 points-3 points 20 hours ago
That being said soi much of Christianity was copied and pasted from other religions or in some cases cults.
[–]Gjeesterphlunnie -31 points-30 points-29 points 19 hours ago
You're stupid. Christianity was born out of Jewish culture in Greece under Roman rule. If you're surprised that other ideologies and doctrines have snuck into Christianity throughout the last couple millennia and have, somehow, decided that this means the basic belief of Christianity is proven false by this (instead of realizing that Christianity has lasted this long in spite of infiltration of other ideals, and thus adding support to its divinity) then you are not engaging your mind in this scenario and have simply closed off the logical thinking model in favor of supporting your own, preconceived answer.
[–]murphmobile 8 points9 points10 points 19 hours ago
“My neighborhood is changing so much. This place that was a Mexican restaurant is now a small church—which is very upsetting to me because I like burritos more than I like Jesus. Because steak burritos are delicious…......and they’re real.” — Hannibal Buress, My Name is Hannibal
[–]Gjeesterphlunnie -20 points-19 points-18 points 19 hours ago
Again... Ignorant. Jesus is the most historically documented person. Yes, even outside the Bible. There is no Logical doubt that he lived, taught, and died.
[–]RoscoeMG 13 points14 points15 points 18 hours ago
There are no contemporary historical accounts of Jesus just hearsay accounts around 300 years later. There is no record of a Jesus Christ being crucified even though the Romans were meticulous about such things.
[–]murphmobile 9 points10 points11 points 19 hours ago
Stop fighting it. You can't argue against steak burritos. The evidence is there. Just open your eyes!
[–]dbhanger 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago
Alright. Whether he was real or not, he was not the "most" documented person. You, by virtue of posting on reddit, are more documented than Jesus. There are copies of your works viewed on millions of computers and stored in servers and databases as you type them. This is much greater than the 0 things that Jesus actually wrote that we still have around.
Hell, at this rate, in 2000 years, Gjeesterphlunnites might rule the world.
[–]Diplomjodler 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago
Interesting. Can you name any contemporary historical sources about Jesus that are not in the bible?
[–]djtoell 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago
Something tells me that you just like to repeat things you are told without bothering to verify them.
[–]shit-head 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago
Jesus is the most historically documented person.
Where outside the books of the new testament? Remember that for something to be historically documented, religious sources need to be collaborated with the actual historians of that time.
There are no birth records, for example, nor are there court transcripts or arrest records or other documents for a guy who allegedly brought back the dead.
[–]sellfish 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago
Still, jewish culture has quite a lot of parallels with the babylonian belief, which was born from the sumerians. Ofcourse this doesn't prove anything false, but it raises a lot of questionmarks.
Wonder if i will join the downvote bandwagon...
[–]supergai 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
well, it helps that jewish and babylonian culture were essentially created right next to eachother. Abraham was from the area and many of the early books in genesis were written during the babylonaian exile in fact. (they aren't intended to be real, more or less parables. the problem is, too many christians take the books literally).
[–]arialth -2 points-1 points0 points 16 hours ago
Not saying you're wrong or right but...
"Debunks" religious picture. Provides /NO/ sources, just like picture.
[–]The_Joshua 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
What the fuck ever faggot. What do you know?
[–]ColdBlankStare -2 points-1 points0 points 16 hours ago
Exactly... After some research (cause this actually got me intrigued), This picture is complete bullshit.
[–]wortime -4 points-3 points-2 points 17 hours ago
You are awesome. Your like a politifacts for reddit. And I too get tired of typing on my phone. And that's half the reason I get downvotes
[–]Fausto1981 37 points38 points39 points 21 hours ago
Did you guy know most of these facts are made up?
[–]CrayonOfDoom 5 points6 points7 points 16 hours ago
Did you guy know most all of these facts are made up?
FTFY
[–]Topwater 6 points7 points8 points 17 hours ago
yup we did
http://stupidevilbastard.com/2005/01/ending_the_myth_of_horus/
[–]kernunnos77 14 points15 points16 points 1 day ago*
I'm pretty sure Lucifer, not Jesus, was known as the Morning Star.
Edit: A few people have pointed out that Jesus was also referred to as the Morning Star.
[–]FrugalNinja 7 points8 points9 points 23 hours ago
Isis also was not a virgin for his birth.
[–]badseat 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
Pretty sure Mary wasn't a virgin either...
[–]Mariokartfever 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago
Scientifically unlikely, but that's not the important part.
OP is trying to show similarities between the two dieties, but Egyptian mythology does not hold that Horus' mother was a virgin, while Mary being a virgin is a staple of most Christian theology.
[–]theregoesanother -2 points-1 points0 points 16 hours ago
I beg to differ... Consider this, they were horny but could not have sex due to lack of knowledge how or fear of persecution or whatever, so they decided to play "safe" as in 3rd base maybe? But he did jizzed on Mary's Vagina and his Jizz went in. Still virgin, but had sperm came in thus getting pregnant.
Another one might be, they tried once, Joseph came too quickly before even entering, but the sperm still made it in.
I am not saying that's the way it goes, but those were some of the two scenario that might cause virginal pregnancy.
[–]Mariokartfever 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Gotcha. It's worth noting though that Christian theology holds that Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit (one part of the Divine Trinity) and so Joseph's love juice never entered the equation.
[–]theregoesanother 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
I know, but we were on the topic of scientific unlikeness that Mary was still a virgin. So I gave my thought of a more scientifically likely event which came purely from my unpure my imagination.
[–]deck_hand 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
There's also the "possibility" that Mary got preggers by someone else, say a Roman soldier on the road one night.
[–]doomchild 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
One "Naughtius Maximus", of the Jerusalem garrison.
[–]theregoesanother 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
You mean Legionaire Cunillungus Maximus?
[–]iliveinabunkbed 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
not relevant to the topic as myths are being compared, not the truth behind them.
[–]badseat 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Am fully aware of the topic and how it was flawed.
Posting obvious comment for karma.
Certainly not for the birth of Jesus. After all, she and Joseph were married by that point, and they could not be married without consummation. Even if (and I do stress IF) the conception of Jesus was without penetration, he was never born of a virgin.
I know. Posting obvious comment for karma.
[–]FrisianDude 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago
Jesus as well, separately. At least, else I wonder about that church calling itself "de Morgenster" in Leeuwarden here in the Netherlands.
[–]ReverendShot777 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago
Jesus was also known as the Morning star. There are references to both in the bible.
[–]jaico 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago
Close. Its a deception. The whole purpose of calling "lucifer" morning star is to symbolize the deception associated with the "anti-christ." Jesus is frequently called "morning star" in books written centuries before Revelation. I could go into more detail if you want, but I have to get to class.
[–]Banjaroo 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
Yeah, this is right. The Morning Star is a meme given to Lucifer.
[–]Tbickle 6 points7 points8 points 18 hours ago
Please...stop using this crap. A cursory review of the actual information will show that these charts are not accurate. They will only make you look uninformed.
Most religions have some remnants or common traditions as others, but they are best dealt with by accurate and logical refutations.
[–]chahne1 10 points11 points12 points 18 hours ago
Whoever posted this is a complete idiot. Do some research before you start trying to post all of this dumb shit. All you are doing is wasting people's time
[–]blademan1331 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago
Your post was so striking I had to do some research on it...http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/Is_Jesus_Simply_a_Retelling_of_the_Horus_Myth
[–]VadersGonnaVade 2 points3 points4 points 22 hours ago
I like this, and I feel like the guy has at least a little bit of knowledge, but I kind of feel like he's really not backing any of it up a lot. Then he has things like this:
Claim: Horus delivered a "Sermon on the Mount", and his followers recounted his sayings. He was transfigured on the Mount Truth: Horus never delivered a "Sermon on the Mount", nor was he transfigured.
Which seems like just as much here say as the original claim. "Yes he did." "No, he didn't" "oh, okay, my b." Not saying I believe it or don't, but it seems like a big lack of argument.
[–]TheActualAWdeV 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago
I dunno, you could look at the phrasings. Sermon on the mount? If you're going to claim that, back it up with a name for the mount. And transfiguration? That's an utterly vague word. What happened? Let's ask wikipedia:
a momentary transformation of a man or woman into someone having the aspect of the divine
Err. Horus was already completely and utterly divine. He was born of two gods and had a whole slew of divine roles to play. He didn't get transfigured as there was nothing to transfigure.
What this image does do is, amongst other things, take the human things of Jesus and applies them willy-nilly to Horus. Dude was far too divine for that. There's very little known about the beginnings of egyptian mythology (not in the least because it stretches back further into BC than we're now in AD) and for all we know the entirety of Gods and godesses were considered to have already existed before humanity. So were did the temple and the wise men come from, if not outright nicked from Christianity for comparison?
[–]redlust85 27 points28 points29 points 1 day ago
You should repost this in r/Atheism
[–]Jagjamin 57 points58 points59 points 23 hours ago
It would get downvoted for being inaccurate.
[–]EH1987 29 points30 points31 points 21 hours ago
You give them too much credit.
[–]FrisianDude 16 points17 points18 points 21 hours ago
Nope, it usally gets torn very much in the votes, and all comments would be very critical.
[–]EH1987 -7 points-6 points-5 points 20 hours ago
While true, it's still the votes that decide what content is shown on the subreddit, thus perpetuating the spread of nonsense.
[–]FrisianDude 5 points6 points7 points 20 hours ago
Aye, but there tend to be as much down as upvotes on such things.
It got upvoted there once, it showed up a few times. I got a bundle of points and topcomment for de-bunking it though.
[–]shit-head 5 points6 points7 points 17 hours ago
Atheists and their stupid accuracy fetish.
[–]synapsesynopsis 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago
You should not be downvoted. This is not r/wtf material
[–]caj12377[S] -61 points-60 points-59 points 1 day ago
Yes i guess u all are right..belongs not in the wtf..sow-wee....the atheiest Forum are just crazy hateful bunch...i just wanted to show and tell..not to go into religious rants at atheism forum :-P
[–]xHelpless -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 day ago
sigh you know the vast majority of us aren't hateful at all, /r/atheism has a bad press for little reason.
[–]digitalscale 11 points12 points13 points 23 hours ago
Bullshit, I unsubbed a while ago, because it was full of hate, rhetoric and circle-jerking. I don't need to be constantly patted on the back for being an atheist, nor am I an atheist just so that I can feel superior to religious people. That place is pathetic and is full of the same kind of bullshit that I expect from hard line religious people.
[–]hall31605 -2 points-1 points0 points 22 hours ago
This has already been posted about there multiple times, it is well known by atheists. It doesn't matter anyway because Christians say that those stories were concocted by Satan to cause confusion/or people to question faith. I just want you to know that while one site on the internet may have a lot of atheist that are this way, most atheists are nothing like that in real life. I hate that they make us look bad and hope that you don't view them as representative of the whole group.
[–]digitalscale 3 points4 points5 points 20 hours ago
I know, I am an atheist myself, as are most of the people I know (UK). /r/atheism is definitely not representative of atheists as a whole, but of high schoolers who think that being an atheist makes them superior and an intellectual, they are often just as narrow minded and propagandist as the religious people that they complain about.
[–]hall31605 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago
That must be nice, I have only met a handful of atheists in my entire life, I live in the southern US.
[–]MrF33 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago
But the Christians who think that any stories that take more than five seconds of thought about to prove their faith are "concocted by Satan" are obviously the vast majority.
That's what's circle jerky about atheists here on reddit. The idea that "oh we're not all like /r/atheism, that's just the most ignorant of us being loud" but when Christians have the same loud assholes, well damn, thats all of them, in fact that must be the vast majority of Christians.
[–]digitalscale 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
I hope you're not accusing me of that...
[–]dizzystuff 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago
Doesn't want generalisations about atheists. Includes a generalisation about Christians.
[–]Fealiks 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago
You might not think so, but most /r/atheism frequenters come across as dicks. People don't tend to know how rude they are, so they just carry on. Starting a sentence with "sigh", for example, is kind of rude.
[–]RoscoeMG 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
The silent majority.
[–]ccoulter 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Sow-wee, guize...
Please no. It's been there a dozen times and it's fucking awful.
[–]Absolum -1 points0 points1 point 21 hours ago
I concur
[–]xerofailgames -8 points-7 points-6 points 1 day ago
YES
[–]Ambitious_Troll 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago
Dude you're retarded.
[–]xerofailgames 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
ur fathers a pig and ur mothers a slut, i wouldnt piss on you if u were on fire.....
[–]Ambitious_Troll 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
You're just a little child, so I won't waste anymore time talking to you.
[–]xerofailgames 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
yet u responded...u lost ur own game
[–]Dynamo-Hum 5 points6 points7 points 18 hours ago
utter and complete bullshit. You could educate yourself on this in about 15 minutes provided you are able to read well. here, start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
Then I suggest any number of books that are available on the subject of Ancient gods and goddesses and then you, OP, won't look like a fool an a hack when you post juvenile, ignorant and lacking tripe such as this.
[–]JayLeeCH 4 points5 points6 points 17 hours ago
Most of this is not true about Horus. Did you have fun watching Religulous or something?
[–]maharito 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
Horus was crucified? BWAHAHAHHAHAHA
[–]ToastedForks 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
If you had even just skimmed a wikipedia article you would have realized how dumb this is.
[–]noireze 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
butt hurt religious fanatics on a downvoting spree
Not really. If this were comparing, say Horus and Zoroaster, we'd still downvote for the many inaccuracies in the depiction of the story of Horus.
[–]noireze 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
this post is inaccurate? it sure is, but then again all religions are inaccurate in the first place. this is r/wtf, supposed to be fun in a wtf way.
[–]Phoboshobo 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Oh god, not this shit again. I'm an atheist and everything but this is just ignoring facts and if I recall correctly, it was based on some show or book.
[–]candicegerz 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago
It is actually a pagan tradition that celebrates Christs birthday on December 25th, Christmas. The whole idea around Christmas is pagan, from celebrating his birth to setting up Christmas trees, all pagan roots. The Jewish feast of Sukkot is actually celebrating the birth. If you look on some regular calendars there is a date in December for "immaculate conception" and a baby can't be conceived and born in a month, however, if you continue with the calendar, you can see that around 40 weeks later is ryegrass of Sukkot. Long winded, I know... Sorry.
[–]Lunapsyche 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago
The pagan traditions were shanghaiied and adapted by the christians for their uses. But it's good to see people doing their research.
[–]Steel_Forged 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago
They put their own twist to attract more pagans to the religion, they would have an easier time adjusting.
[–]Valascor 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago
Yeah but at the same time I can clearly remember a quote from a bible about how decorating a tree like the pagan's is not to be aloud. I'd do the research on that myself but I'm too tired to keep my eyes open.
[–]Steel_Forged 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
I believe it was tolerated, just so long as the praise was directed to christianity.
[–]actual_factual_bear 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jeremiah 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Jeremiah was written several hundred years B.C.E. btw...
[–]mountaincyclops 4 points5 points6 points 23 hours ago
I thought Jews didn't celebrate anything to do with Christ.
[–]spankywanks 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago
Sukkot has nothing to do with him. I think he's trying to convey a connection between the concoctions of Christmas by Christians. Also, five words start with a C in the previous sentence.
[–]SicTim 2 points3 points4 points 18 hours ago
The immaculate conception refers to Mary being born without original sin, not Jesus' birth.
I've heard this before, but don't understand it. If "original sin" even exists, how is one born without it? Or, if it's possible, then are people born without original sin all the time, and therefore it's nothing special?
Tell me more.
[–]SicTim 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
Original sin.
[–]CWeebs 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago*
In the beginning there was Sky Man. Sky Man made everything in various orders and then made a copy of himself out of dirt to make more copies of itself with another copy of itself made from a rib from the original copy. The copy of the copy ate fruit, which is bad, and caused future copies to kill other copies, sleep with copies they weren't supposed to, and steal other copies' things.
Sky Man did his best to correct the behaviors of his Xerox menagerie, but they did evil things... like touch Sky Man's magic box, for which the punishment is death.
There was even a village of dirt copies that wanted to make copies with other dirt copies instead of rib copies, which is entirely implausible and makes Sky Man very upset, so he saved one dirt copy and two rib copies of the dirt copy and then Sky Man destroyed the evil village. As a reward the saved copies made more copies in a cave.
Moving on... Sky Man was angry with his copies, so he copied himself again, using a Rib Copy that hadn't ever made copies before. The copy of Sky Man was Ground Man, Son of Sky Man, but also he was Sky Man. When Ground Man told the dirt copies that he was a better copy than they were they stapled him to a stick. And though Sky Man wouldn't watch Ground Man get stapled to the stick, it still made Sky Man happy again.
And that's the story of how Sky Man sent himself as himself to die to appease his own wrath.
Praise Ground Man eat a cracker, drink some cider and pretend its him.
[–]Oatsoap 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
Upvote for "xerox menagerie"
[–]barryegg 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago
All of the facts are made up...as neither character actually existed.
[–]barryegg 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago
Someone may have lived 2000 years ago with the name Jesus but the character of Jesus, that was born of a virgin and rose from the dead and all the other fantasies etc, is as much of a myth as Horus.
[–]Dynamo-Hum 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
You have lived for all time and know all circumstance? Or maybe you should preface your remark with "I believe that..."
Why? Because greater minds than yours can come to a concensus that there is a historical truth in the existence of Jesus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus is a start for some. I doubt you'll want to actually read deeper than that, but if you do, there are citations there to relieve you of ignorance further.
[–]barryegg 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
I didn't realise you have lived for all time and know all circumstance? Unless I've made a mistake? If so, you should preface your remark with "I believe that...". As far as you're aware I have the greatest mind in history. It's unlikely I admit but if people can believe in the Jesus story, anything is possible.
[–]axisofelvis 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago
Correct or incorrect, they are both still fictional entities and not worth arguing over.
[–]Immabornlurker 5 points6 points7 points 19 hours ago
But dude, like, Horus is half bird and half man, and fires lasers n' shit.
He's cooler than Jesus.
Also he lets me recruit Avengers, and he gives me the power to summon a tornado.
[–]rsong965 -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago
So you doubt there was a guy named Jesus that people believed was Christ?
[–]Superj714 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago
I really want to send this to my holy roller ex wife.
[–]TheActualAWdeV 9 points10 points11 points 20 hours ago
Don't. It's riddled with errors. You'll just look like a dumb twat when you inevitably get torn to shreds.
[–]Tron-Gorf -3 points-2 points-1 points 22 hours ago
Holy roller ex wife... I bet that was not fun.
[–]bananagrabber83 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago
The December 25th thing is easily cleared up - it was the Roman festival of Sol Invictus (the Undefeated Sun), which was held on that date because it was the first day after the Winter Solstice where the lengthening of the daylight hours was perceptible.
It was certainly not Horus' fucking birthday.
[–]ReverendShot777 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
This does a decent wee run through of some of these 'facts'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology#Ancient_Egypt
[–]digger_ex_pat 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
None of that "information" is here.Where are you getting this from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
[–]nova_cat 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Yeahhhhh, Isis was not a virgin. She transformed herself into a falcon and had sex with the reanimated dead body of her late husband, Osiris, before he was taken to the Underworld to become king there. And I imagine she probably had sex before that too.
[–]Brutis9 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
It pronounced mil-wau-kee...... I was not aware of that
[–]jag213 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Envision Jesus risen from the dead like Horus
In the baptist church shakin' off the rigor mortis
Immortal Technique - Eyes in the Sky
[–]lainabaina 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
Hipster Horus did it before it was cool
How is this WTF?
I don't get it. Amusing, perhaps.
[–]Carithian -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago
Sooo... Who won?
Yeesh
[–]Brewer9 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
Huh, I thought I was in r/wtf.
[–]ChaosTheosis 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
Repost lol
[–]Synth3t1c -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago
Back! Back to /r/atheism! Back, I say! Back!
[–]RonSwanson39 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
So Jesus was the first, original repost?
[–]sweetcornwolf -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago
Keep this shit in r/atheism please
[–]wrapped_in_clingfilm 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
Why does reddit believe shit like this so easily? I am not religious, but nor am I easily suckered. The myth of Horus bears little resemblance to the OP's claims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
[–]B2Z 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
Jesus is more similar to Dionysus than to Horus. Just sayin.
[–]MrTulip 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
mmh, yeah. no.
[–]nickateen 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
DAE ATHEISM?
[–]Thalenos 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
Wow, I found this rather interesting but not that much only midly so. Now if only there was a subreddit for things that are mildly interesting yes, that is it something that I would call r/mildlyinteresting.
[–]spacymushroom 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
r/atheism leaking again...
[–]sesamestreetgang -1 points0 points1 point 22 hours ago
TIL: Horus is the hipster Jesus
[–]RyuSythe 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Na na na, Christians are just reposters. When in turn would make Mormons like uber-repost reposters O,,,o
[–]PigAteMyPie -1 points0 points1 point 22 hours ago
Horus wins cuz he is not amused
[–]aedgar777 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
WTF is dying.
[–]Oatsoap 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
*WTF is dead
[–]1337Lulz 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
/r/atheism is that way --->
[–]rebzo91 -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 day ago
This isn't wtf at all. If you learned a little bit about history you'd see how normal this is
[–]TheActualAWdeV 8 points9 points10 points 20 hours ago
Except it's also hilariously wrong.
[–]SacrificialGoat -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago*
Don't forget Mithra
[–]Jagjamin 4 points5 points6 points 23 hours ago
Many of those claims are untrue. There are few parallels between the Mithra character and the Jesus character.
[–]GlucoseCowboy 0 points1 point2 points 21 hours ago
Aren't all of these really made out by archetype stories that has been around since the beginning of man?
I mean most of this is all based from a time when we could barely write, and most were oral traditions. It's all mix and matches between different creationist stories that are all fantastical, and once edited and cleaned up they all more or less sound the same.
The deity couldn't be born from intercourse, because that would be naughty. The most powerful way to proclaim something happening is a star shining. Bringing someone back from the dead is the one thing only a god could do. Had a number of disciples and what not whose number work out to some fantastical numerological thing that is dividable by the same reason numbers have always been 'magical'. Walking on water, as in taming the one force mankind (even today) has no power over, etc. etc.
I think that if you look in to most deities biographies you will find similarities because they all have symbolical references and meanings that will be consistent throughout the ages.
[–]Infiltr4tor 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago
Always said, scriptures are like the game Telephone on paper. Years pass and somewhere down the line the story has changed to continue a new route. That's why we have old and new testaments and why I can't seem to tank that nonsense seriously anymore, simply smile and shake my head towards family members who try to preach their beliefs to me.
[–]Mrubuto 0 points1 point2 points 23 hours ago
really? i've heard there is exaggerations, but mostly untrue?
[–]Jagjamin 4 points5 points6 points 22 hours ago
Well there are a lot of statements about Mithra on that particular website, and some are going to be fairly accurate. I can give some examples of unbased claims though.
It says that Mithra was born on Dec 25 from the virgin Anahita. Actual belief was that he was born an adult from rock. No virgin birth, date of birth unknown. The 25 Dec celebration were to the sun in general, not his birthday party.
He didn't make a sacrifice as it claims, his "salvation" (servasti) is mentioned in one place only, and likely refers to when he killed a bull.
Baptism. I have found nothing connecting Mithraism with baptism, apart from a general association with water. This may be accurate, but one metaphorical ritual is not a big deal.
The forehead mark was a circle with an x in it. Not a Christian cross.
The more general stuff is wholly unimpressive. He was considered a great teacher, well yes, being a god that isn't surprising. Same with the miracles, or omniscience. He was indeed associated with the sun, that's why his day was Sunday. Christians use of Sunday is bad, as the Jews had the 7th day (Sabbath) being Saturday.
So yeah, the incredible similarities are largely false. The minor ones are unimpressive.
[–]the_menon -6 points-5 points-4 points 20 hours ago
Looks like r/atheism sprung a leak.
[–]army09 -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 day ago
Yea if you learned history most background of religion is like this so not r/wtf
[–]caj12377[S] -11 points-10 points-9 points 1 day ago
For the love of Horus! o_O
[–]InvalidWhistle -2 points-1 points0 points 17 hours ago
People don't have to make illogical comparisons here to try and disprove christianity. Christianity will fall just like all mythologies on it's own.
[–]rohirs -6 points-5 points-4 points 21 hours ago
/r/atheism
Keep your hate for Christians to your damn board.
[–]TheCannon 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
I've noticed that, in the mudslinging between Christians and Atheists on this site, Christians just love to get up on that cross with their boy Jesus.
When anything appears that paints Christianity in anything less than a wonderful light (and there is plenty that does not), and you guys climb right up there and nail yourselves in.
Even as a Christian, you should be honest with yourself about the reality of your faith and its history. It's not all that great.
As for the post, some very readily available reading material will put the vast majority of the claims it presents squarely in the bullshit pile.
[–]JCo352 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago
Quit being a pussy.
[–]goodadvice00 -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago
surely god will smite you for this...surely
[–]Fausto1981 3 points4 points5 points 21 hours ago
i can't see any hate here, just infos (anyway, most of them wrong)
[–]MizUniverse -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago
I believe that the key word here is "Story".
[–]jpw111082 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
down vote the shit out of this
How that amount of bullshit get so many upvotes?
[–]whatsky -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 hours ago
So many butt mad people in this post.
[–]YouLostTheGame23 -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 hours ago
Damn Christians, at least be a little original.
[–]rsong965 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
YOU lost the game
[–]YouLostTheGame23 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
Every damn time...
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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