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If Jupiter were as close to the Earth as our Moon, this is what our sky would look like... (imgur.com)
submitted 1 day ago by BigSketchySeaBeast
[–]check85 756 points757 points758 points 21 hours ago*
If Jupiter were as close as the moon is to the Earth, it'd look like this: http://i.imgur.com/cMXRu.jpg
[–]naasking 126 points127 points128 points 19 hours ago
I was just coming to post an image just like that. Gravitational tidal forces would be far too great to avoid heavy volcanic/tectonic activity.
[–]doogletime 56 points57 points58 points 18 hours ago
It's like squeezing silly putty in your hand.. the longer you do it, the warmer and softer it becomes. If the gravitational forces were strong enough, it could turn the planet back into a molten sphere.
[–]bat_dragon 21 points22 points23 points 17 hours ago
Ok I was wondering why the volcanic activity was being shown. It didnt make sense since Jupiter isn't a star type of object. But the putty analogy makes sense. Gravitational pressure can cause heat.
[–]A_Polite_Noise 47 points48 points49 points 16 hours ago*
It's one of the reasons we suspect that Europa, one of Jupiter's moon's which is apparently covered in miles and miles of thick ice, might have a liquid or "slush" ocean under the ice (which could contain some sort of life, thriving without sunlight on underwater vents). The tidal strain that Jupiter exerts on it causes it to heat up and the theory is that under the surface ice that heat has partially or totally melted the interior above the crust. I hope we go there one day and find giant space monsters. Seriously, I think it is a possibility there could be space monsters there! How cool is that?! Right in our own solar system!
[–]benderunit9000 88 points89 points90 points 16 hours ago*
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
[–]KosherNazi 11 points12 points13 points 16 hours ago
What's this from?
[–]iPBJ 38 points39 points40 points 15 hours ago
2010: Odyssey Two, if I remember correctly.
[–]KosherNazi 4 points5 points6 points 15 hours ago
thanks!
[–]gotnate 5 points6 points7 points 11 hours ago
And in 2063, there is a crash landing on Europa. And in 3001, astroid farmers find the body of Frank Pool (the astronaut ejected from Discovery by HAL) and using advance technology, they bring him back to life.
[–]EntropyFan 3 points4 points5 points 9 hours ago
Capt. Dimitri Chandler ('Dim' to his friends) is a Comet Cowboy, not a farmer.
[–]benderunit9000 11 points12 points13 points 15 hours ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010:_Odyssey_Two
[–]kaipanoi 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago
Space Odyssey
[–]Topf 4 points5 points6 points 12 hours ago
Came here for Odyssey reference. Was not disappointed.
[–]mishagale 7 points8 points9 points 16 hours ago
Something I wonder about that: Marine life on Earth doesn't literally breathe water, it breathes O2 which is dissolved in water. In an underground sea like Europa's, would there be enough dissolved O2 to support life, or would it have to somehow electrolyse the water to release oxygen? And is that even biologically possible?
[–]super_cat 14 points15 points16 points 15 hours ago
The free O2 on Earth is created through photosynthesis, which is unlikely to happen on Europa as there is no sunlight below the ice. Electrolysis of water would cost more energy than you would get from the oxygen, so it's unlikely that an organism would evolve to do that.
However, there are many single celled organisms on earth that can survive without oxygen. Instead they "breathe" stuff like sulfur, or nitrate or iron. It's less efficient than using oxygen in the metabolism, but as many of these organisms live in areas with little or no oxygen they have no choice. So if there is life on Europa it most likely uses something else than O2 in their metabolism.
[–]Monst3rr 3 points4 points5 points 9 hours ago
Things tend to adapt to their enviroments so you never know.
[–]Ukkie 9 points10 points11 points 12 hours ago*
Most of earth's past there was little to no oxygen. Only with the rise of the cyanobacteria did the world start to get oxygenated.
Before oxygenic and oxygen metabolizing microbes arose, primitive metabolism could have been a bit like this:
Abiotic reactions outside of the cell could have been either.
+UV 2Fe2+ + 4H+ -----> 2H_2 +2Fe3+
or
FeS + H_2S --> FeS_2 + H_2
The H_2 can then be used to create 2H+ and 2e- through hydrogenase. The 2H+ can be used to create ATP trough ATPase
These reactions happen in the cytoplasmic membrane of the cell. The e- , H+ and ATP end up inside the cell. There the following reaction takes place:
+2e- 2H_2O + S0 ->S0reductase-> H_2S + 2OH-
The OH- reacts with the H+ to create water and the H_2S gets send to the outside of the cytoplasmic membrane to start the cycle anew.
[–]Deetoria 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Life as we know it doesn't electrolyse water, but I see no reason why life could not have evolved to do that.
We always think of life based on what we know life is, which makes sense, but there are infinite amount of ways life could evolve given different circumstances.
[–]atomfullerene 6 points7 points8 points 15 hours ago
Well, electrolyzing water costs energy. So there's not much point in doing it to get oxygen to breath. It would be like rolling a ball up a hill to generate power by letting it roll down again.
[–]bowhunter6274 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
You're assuming the life would be similar to life as you know it. There could be "alien" creatures that do not need oxygen to survive/
[–]heatercat 3 points4 points5 points 14 hours ago
I could totally see the sci-fi version of 20,000 leagues under the sea reenacted on Europa.
[–]hatperigee 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
Time to go ice fishing!
[–]Deetoria 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
It is also why Io is the most geologically active body in the solar system.
[–]sixpackabs592 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
not only the strain from the planet but also from the other moons, they are in a laplandce resonance pattern and line up once every four orbits, causing more tidal strain
[–]Darktidemage 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
Humans are in our solar system. We are pretty fucking terrifying.
I've wanted to write a reverse godzilla type movie where a human astronaut becomes stranded on an alien planet and they are like 1/200th the size of us and also a bit dumber and the guy has to go around wrecking their cities and fighting off their armies.
[–]lmxbftw 11 points12 points13 points 16 hours ago
It's not so much the gravitational pressure, but the rapid change in gravitational attraction between 2 nearby points. (I don't know how much math you have, but it's the slope of the gravitational force over some space, called the gradient, rather than the value of the gravitational force itself that's doing it). It's called a tidal force because it's what causes the tides. Essentially, points nearer to Jupiter are more attracted to Jupiter than points further away, which tries to stretch the Earth out in the direction of Jupiter. But the Earth is rotating, so it's constantly pulling on different parts of the Earth as it spins around. It's this pulling in different directions that causes distortion, which in turn creates heat.
[–]mishagale 4 points5 points6 points 16 hours ago
But if we were tidally locked towards Jupiter, that wouldn't be a problem, would it?
[–]lmxbftw 4 points5 points6 points 15 hours ago
If we were tidally locked, the distortions would be less. They wouldn't be gone unless our orbit were also totally circular. For example, Io is tidally locked to Jupiter but still has this behavior because it's orbit is slightly eccentric. It gets closer and then further from Jupiter, so the difference in gravitational force from Jupiter on different parts of Io is still changing as it orbits/rotates.
[–]atomfullerene 3 points4 points5 points 15 hours ago
The pull of the other moons play a major role in keeping the orbit from circularizing as well.
[–]Guard13007 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
So now we just need to figure out how to get Jupiter over here and stick us in a good orbit.
^^
(Yes, I know how impossible that is.)
[–]cryopyre 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
That, but the reflected light would also raise the temperature of the Earth's surface significantly. We're talking 50 degrees at least, making current life impossible for the most part, and probably turning the planet into Kharak with habitable poles and a desolately hot equator.
[–]blc187 4 points5 points6 points 14 hours ago
if jupiter were to suddenly appear this close, how long would it take us to get to that point? would it be a slow transition?
[–]wiekey 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
My guess is near immediate eradication of all or most life due to catastrophic...
As for turning the surface to molten slag, I don't know but not long if the last two items happened.
[–]robotsongs 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago
Well then THAT shoots a certain episode of Doctor Who to shit.
Thanks a LOT, Steven Moffat!
[–]TheBishopsBane 2 points3 points4 points 11 hours ago
Great analogy, but it should be on record that silly putty gets warm because your hand is warm and you're transferring body heat to it. Not because of gravitational forces.
[–]TheDesktopNinja 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
molten ellipse*
[–]synobal 11 points12 points13 points 18 hours ago*
Not to mention the radiation that Jupiter emits, which our magnetosphere would only be able to block a relatively small portion of.
[–]danweber 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
It's mostly our atmosphere which protects against radiation, not our magnetosphere.
[–]atomfullerene 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
That really depends on the presence of other moons in the system and the circularity of our orbit. Without other large moons and with a circular orbit, tidal heating would be much lower. Tidal heating would also be lower if Earth orbited farther out, but the distance to the moon would indeed put us as close as Io.
[–]galaxyhopper 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
The gravitational force is one thing, but another thing would be the intense radiation. The only life that could possibly exist would be living deep within the oceans.
[–]Quantum_Finger 46 points47 points48 points 19 hours ago
Yup, instant death for all life on Earth. Interesting picture, is that actually supposed to be Io?
[–]check85 132 points133 points134 points 19 hours ago
I just photoshopped Jupiter into a a picture of a lavaflow on Earth, then I played with the sky colours.
[–]Quantum_Finger 39 points40 points41 points 18 hours ago
Oh, you did a nice job :)
[–]Magzter 8 points9 points10 points 18 hours ago
Nice.
[–]TDO1 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago
Look kids there is someone who actually knows how to use photoshop!!
[–]Ihad2saythat 12 points13 points14 points 19 hours ago
wouldn't The Earth be rather torn appart?
[–]reidzen 96 points97 points98 points 19 hours ago
Interestingly enough, no! When a primary's density is less than one-half the density of its satellite, the Roche limit of the primary (the distance at which rigid and fluid satellites break into rings) is actually less than the radius of the primary. That is to say, if Earth were orbiting Jupiter, Earth (mean density ~ 5513 kg/m3) could actually collide with Jupiter (mean density ~ 1326 kg/m3) before breaking up.
However, as we've noticed with Io, being close to a giant gravity well plays hell with your complexion.
[–]RabidRaccoon 19 points20 points21 points 18 hours ago*
If the alien mothership in Independence Day did a slingshot around the Earth, could the aliens have fucked us up with tidal effects?
Or maybe they don't need a slingshot
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Star-Trek-Alien-Invasions/dp/product-description/0060977574
A Mother Ship full of aliens bent on ending life on Earth may not need to send out a squadron of huge flying saucers in order to destroy our major cities. Long before the first shadow fell on the Empire State Building or the Hollywood sign, New York might be underwater and Los Angeles could be leveled by earthquakes. Early in Independence Day, the telemetry tracking the approach of the Mother Ship reveals that it is almost 1/4 the mass of the Moon. Before it releases its squad of death saucers, the mammoth ship pulls into a geostationary orbit above the Earth--the same sort of orbit the U.S.S. Enterprise uses to visit a new planet. In such an orbit, a spacecraft or a satellite moves at the same rate as the planet rotates, so that it always stays directly above the same spot on the planetary surface. The large communication satellites that transmit our international messages, as well as the network of Global Positioning navigational satellites that guide our airplanes and well-equipped trekkers (the terrestrial wilderness type), sit in such orbits. Newton's law of gravity determines how high such an orbit must be, regardless of the object's mass. It is one of the many miracles of the law of gravity that any object, no matter how heavy, must orbit at exactly the same speed as any other object at the same distance from Earth. (If that weren't the case, NASA would have to design a different trajectory for every space shuttle, depending upon the weight of the astronauts inside.) The distance from Earth for an object in geostationary orbit is about 22,500 miles, or almost 1/10 the distance from Earth to the Moon. At 22,500 miles up, the gravitational attraction on the Earth of an object the mass of the Moon would be 100 times stronger than the Moon's gravitational pull; since the Mother Ship is 1/4 the mass of the Moon, its gravitational pull on the Earth would be 25 times that of the Moon! What would this do? Well, one effect might well be to close down Wall Street, because much of New York City would probably be awash. The tidal forces provoked by an object as massive as the Mother Ship would cause a catastrophic rise in sea level in various places on the Earth. At the same time, the unaccustomed tidal stresses on the Earth's crust would undoubtedly induce earthquakes and volcanic eruptions in sensitive areas around the globe. Moreover, the very motion of the Earth through space would be affected, producing unpredictable effects, including possible climatic variation. When an object as heavy as 1/4 the mass of the Moon is in close orbit above the Earth, it causes the Earth to move back and forth in response--once again, because of gravity. Adding a third massive body, with its additional gravity, to the Earth-Moon system would change the system's dynamics in possibly chaotic ways.
A Mother Ship full of aliens bent on ending life on Earth may not need to send out a squadron of huge flying saucers in order to destroy our major cities. Long before the first shadow fell on the Empire State Building or the Hollywood sign, New York might be underwater and Los Angeles could be leveled by earthquakes. Early in Independence Day, the telemetry tracking the approach of the Mother Ship reveals that it is almost 1/4 the mass of the Moon. Before it releases its squad of death saucers, the mammoth ship pulls into a geostationary orbit above the Earth--the same sort of orbit the U.S.S. Enterprise uses to visit a new planet. In such an orbit, a spacecraft or a satellite moves at the same rate as the planet rotates, so that it always stays directly above the same spot on the planetary surface. The large communication satellites that transmit our international messages, as well as the network of Global Positioning navigational satellites that guide our airplanes and well-equipped trekkers (the terrestrial wilderness type), sit in such orbits.
Newton's law of gravity determines how high such an orbit must be, regardless of the object's mass. It is one of the many miracles of the law of gravity that any object, no matter how heavy, must orbit at exactly the same speed as any other object at the same distance from Earth. (If that weren't the case, NASA would have to design a different trajectory for every space shuttle, depending upon the weight of the astronauts inside.) The distance from Earth for an object in geostationary orbit is about 22,500 miles, or almost 1/10 the distance from Earth to the Moon. At 22,500 miles up, the gravitational attraction on the Earth of an object the mass of the Moon would be 100 times stronger than the Moon's gravitational pull; since the Mother Ship is 1/4 the mass of the Moon, its gravitational pull on the Earth would be 25 times that of the Moon! What would this do? Well, one effect might well be to close down Wall Street, because much of New York City would probably be awash. The tidal forces provoked by an object as massive as the Mother Ship would cause a catastrophic rise in sea level in various places on the Earth. At the same time, the unaccustomed tidal stresses on the Earth's crust would undoubtedly induce earthquakes and volcanic eruptions in sensitive areas around the globe. Moreover, the very motion of the Earth through space would be affected, producing unpredictable effects, including possible climatic variation. When an object as heavy as 1/4 the mass of the Moon is in close orbit above the Earth, it causes the Earth to move back and forth in response--once again, because of gravity. Adding a third massive body, with its additional gravity, to the Earth-Moon system would change the system's dynamics in possibly chaotic ways.
Krause also pointed out that wouldn't all those saucers crashing do a lot of damage if you assume a plausible density for them
Not to mention that even after the motherships are destroyed the aliens in the fighters are going to survive
http://www.cracked.com/article_18733_6-movies-that-didnt-realize-they-let-villain-win.html
We're not sure how many troops and crew were on board each, but we know each one housed an entire air force worth of those little fighter craft. Speaking of which, any aliens who happen to be sitting in one of those crafts is probably going to make it. We saw earlier that an alien shot out of the sky was able to survive. And by survive we mean it hot wired a human brain and had a conversation with the fucking President after going through a crash-landing, a cold cock delivered by none other than Will Smith, and being cut in half on an operating table.
We're not sure how many troops and crew were on board each, but we know each one housed an entire air force worth of those little fighter craft.
Speaking of which, any aliens who happen to be sitting in one of those crafts is probably going to make it. We saw earlier that an alien shot out of the sky was able to survive. And by survive we mean it hot wired a human brain and had a conversation with the fucking President after going through a crash-landing, a cold cock delivered by none other than Will Smith, and being cut in half on an operating table.
Actually at the end there are "fireworks" caused by the alien mothership breaking up in the atmosphere. That's not necessarily going to do us any good.
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html
What happens when you detonate a spherical metal honeycomb over five hundred miles wide just above the atmosphere of a habitable world? Regardless of specifics, the world won't remain habitable for long.
...
Fate of the Ewoks No animal larger than a few kilograms and incapable of long sheltered hibernation could survive the Endorian calamity. The air might even have been poisoned and deoxygenated for a few years until simple plant life could return to growth. If so then it is possible that all animal life perished. In any case any ewok on the surface who was not equipped with impressive high-technology survival gear and a nuclear shelter must have died. For those unfortunate beings not painlessly obliterated by the impact concussions, the initial night of celebration would linger on and on with days of darkness. A chill would fall, the waters would turn to ice and the vegetation would wilt into death or dormancy, depending on species. Provided that radioactivity was insignificant and the air remained modestly breathable (a very generous assumption) the doomed ewoks might survive for days or weeks huddling around bonfires, until they starved.
Fate of the Ewoks
No animal larger than a few kilograms and incapable of long sheltered hibernation could survive the Endorian calamity. The air might even have been poisoned and deoxygenated for a few years until simple plant life could return to growth. If so then it is possible that all animal life perished. In any case any ewok on the surface who was not equipped with impressive high-technology survival gear and a nuclear shelter must have died.
For those unfortunate beings not painlessly obliterated by the impact concussions, the initial night of celebration would linger on and on with days of darkness. A chill would fall, the waters would turn to ice and the vegetation would wilt into death or dormancy, depending on species. Provided that radioactivity was insignificant and the air remained modestly breathable (a very generous assumption) the doomed ewoks might survive for days or weeks huddling around bonfires, until they starved.
And quite frankly, don't the humans in Independence Day sort of deserve to go out like this?
[–]a4ng3l 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
Interesting scientific thoughts on good scifi movies!
[–]furiousBobcat 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
I'd watch that movie.
[–]unfortunatejordan 6 points7 points8 points 18 hours ago
That's interesting! What is the case with Saturn, then? IIRC, Saturn is quite low-density (apparently it would float in an ocean big enough to support it). According to wikipedia:
There are two main theories regarding the origin of Saturn's inner rings. One theory ... is that the rings were once a moon of Saturn ... whose orbit decayed until it came close enough to be ripped apart by tidal forces (see Roche limit)
In this case, would the moon have been low-density as well?
[–]Shagomir 9 points10 points11 points 18 hours ago
The mass of the rings is ~3 x 1019 kg, similar to Mimas (3.75 x 1019 kg), and Mimas has a density of about 1.15 g/cm3 as it is made mostly of water. Saturn's density is .69 g/cm3. Mimas is solid enough that it would impact as a solid, so we need something less dense.
Hyperion is another moon of Saturn, but it's mass is only 5.6 x 1018. It does have a more appropriate ring-forming density of 0.54 g/cm3. It would break up if it were within about 2000 km of Saturn.
Therefore, t's likely that the rings were from a large body that was disrupted by an impact first, since you would otherwise need to bring in a lot of very low density material. Interactions with the larger outer moons would have kept the material from re-forming into a new moon, similarly to the way Jupiter prevented anything from forming in the Asteroid belt.
[–]sweetgreggo 16 points17 points18 points 19 hours ago
You just stumbled my brain.
[–]namepitched 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago
TIL
[–]irokie 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago
Isn't that because of Io's orbital resonance with the other satellites in the Jovian system? Without this influence, it would eventually develop into a circular, tidally locked orbit like the moon around Earth, no?
[–]NismoJase 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago
Space has always amazed me. But jupiter has always taken the cake for blowing my mind, just the size alone i can't even comprehend it and how amazing our solar system really is. Cheers , science.
[–]Laowai-Mang 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
Why's that? Does Jupiter radiate heat? If Jupiter were as close to Earth as the moon, wouldn't we just orbit it? (Or depending on a range of things, wouldn't we just collapse into it?)
Or, if we moved Earth to Jupiter and not the other way around, wouldn't Earth just be an iceball?
Oh, Tidal forces. I hadn't thought of that. Wouldn't things stabilize eventually? I have no idea what I'm talking about but I am curious.
[–]RabidRaccoon 12 points13 points14 points 18 hours ago
http://astronomycentral.co.uk/io-a-tormented-world-of-fire-and-brimstone/
Jupiter is huge, bigger than all the planets put together so the gravitational pull on Io is immense. The tiny moon takes a gravity battering from Jupiter and is heated to extremes from the inside out. Io is pulled and tugged out of shape by the giant planet, and due to Io’s elliptical orbit it comes in closer at some times than others. So Io is always in a state of flux, being stretched and compressed. So much so that it actually has land tides. On Earth we have sea tides from the pull of the Moon’s gravity, on Io the land itself rises and fall by as much as 100 metres. On Earth the biggest water tide difference is just 18 metres.
So in the same way the Earth has 18m sea tides Io has 100m land tides. 100m land tides mean a lot of volcanic activity.
[–]bben86 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago
Tidal forces. See: Io
[–]cmdrogogov 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
Things might stabilize in the form of the earth eventually becoming tidally locked, but that would take a very, very long time.
[–]bestbuy 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
Wouldn't Jupiter's gravity just break earth up or suck it in?
[–]Bernie_Roscoe 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
Nope, Earth is far too dense.
[–]Blue_Falcon 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
I was going to say, quick someone show what the tides would look like. Then you pointed out the one thing I hadn't considered. The one thing I hadn't considered is a lot more bad ass and depressing. Stay away from us Jupiter. Please.
[–]My-Work-Reddit 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
You're just a big ol' buzz-kill.
[–]spaceographer 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
would this have anything to do with tidal friction?
[–]bmystry 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
And I was gonna suggest that we move Jupiter and/or Earth closer for the great pictures.
[–]Airbag_UpYourAss 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
Lol, perfect picture. If Jupiter was THAT close to us, we would be physically fucked in so many levels..
[–]Psychotisch 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
was coming to say that Earth wouldn't look the same with Jupiter instead of our moon, but I guess I'm late
[–]ion-tom 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
Thank you for posting what I was thinking! I'm not sure what Jupiters Roche limit is, but inside of that Earth would literally be torn apart and then collide with Jupiter.
[–]crobison 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
Wouldn't Jupiter also appear much much larger, essentially taking up the entire sky?
[–]heatercat 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago
LOL, was just thinking that.
[–]rocketsocks 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
Also, no humans would be alive because they would all die within about 1-2 days due to the radiation levels.
[–]lovenotwar2 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
Good God!!! Thanks for mentioning it. This is why the movie Avatar is bull shit.
[–]hey_suburbia 105 points106 points107 points 18 hours ago
Here is the view from space with correct distance and scale: http://i.imgur.com/LbIBk.jpg
[–]can1exy 21 points22 points23 points 17 hours ago
I want the moon to be in that pic too.
[–]hey_suburbia 81 points82 points83 points 17 hours ago
Here you go (it's kind of hard to see): http://i.imgur.com/bdxIm.jpg
[–]kcostan 22 points23 points24 points 16 hours ago
I want all of Jupiter's moons to be in that pic too.
[–]hey_suburbia 86 points87 points88 points 15 hours ago
Here you go: (It's only Jupiter's 4 largest moons because the rest would be invisible at this scale, from left to right that's Callisto [to the left of earth], Io, Ganymede, and Europa) http://i.imgur.com/2OQXa.jpg
[–]bobblerabl 29 points30 points31 points 15 hours ago
You're pretty awesome, you know that?
[–]HurricaneHugo 8 points9 points10 points 15 hours ago
I want the Sun in there too.
[–]hey_suburbia 24 points25 points26 points 15 hours ago
Do you want it at it's current size or with the sun as a sphere in full? If you want it with the sun as a full visible sphere you won't be able to see any of the moons.
[–]hey_suburbia 43 points44 points45 points 14 hours ago
Here it is with the sun to scale in size and distance (Just an FYI, Photoshop can't export larger than 30,000 pixels, so anything else will have to get scaled down and we'll lose the original concept of Jupiter's distance if it were as close as our moon): http://i.imgur.com/pzbem.jpg
[–]BlackStrain 11 points12 points13 points 13 hours ago
Now add Russell's Teapot.
[–]Delta_L 6 points7 points8 points 15 hours ago
Can we get the Kuiper Belt in there while your at it too? ;)
These are all really good by the way!
[–]hey_suburbia 3 points4 points5 points 14 hours ago
Not at the current scale, to keep Earth and Jupiter at their current size I would need a document 100,000's of pixels wide...
I can add the Kuiper Belt to the much smaller scale I did with Jesse and Walt's heads...
[–]Mickster1267 4 points5 points6 points 15 hours ago
I want Jessie Pinkman and Walter whites heads to be added as planets. All joking aside you've done a good job modifying the picture better.
[–]hey_suburbia 34 points35 points36 points 14 hours ago
Here you go, you can see at this scale Jupiter and Earth are essentially on top of each other... http://i.imgur.com/6SrGK.jpg
[–]Mickster1267 8 points9 points10 points 14 hours ago
Truly you're one of the greatest OPs of all time.
[–]The_Jacko 5 points6 points7 points 14 hours ago
OP delivered today.
[–]JakeCameraAction 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
Definitely put this on /r/breakingbad before someone else does.
[–]HurricaneHugo 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
just a curved sliver at the very left to get a scale of it
I was kidding but now I am curious
[–]cedargrove 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
I also want the rosette of the Pierson Puppeteer fleet of worlds.
[–]MehGusto 5 points6 points7 points 15 hours ago
GIVE THE MAN A BREAK
http://www.mommykatandkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/kit-kat-chocolate-bar.jpg
[–]TheLoneHoot 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago
I survived you in '89 in SC
[–]EminGH 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/e3c/8cb/e3c8cb8e-8674-4e38-944e-6451f1d1b3fd done
[–]bwillb 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
Now, here's a question. If this situation were to become reality, would Luna continue to orbit Earth or would it be pulled in by Jupiter's gravity and orbit it instead? Would Luna collide with Jupiter?
[–]jetaimemina 8 points9 points10 points 17 hours ago
Mean Earth-Moon distance of 380,000 km, Jupiter radius of some 70,000 km, checks out. Upvote.
[–]irisjolie 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
It blows my mind that something so far away (the moon) looks so big to us. I would have placed the moon much closer to Earth if I'd been attempting to draw this by hand.
[–]jb2386 148 points149 points150 points 22 hours ago*
I made this picture, posted it a while ago. Higher res version.
[–]robobot 13 points14 points15 points 13 hours ago
I could be totally wrong, but wouldn't it look more like this? http://i.imgur.com/08RE5.jpg
[–]TheLoneHoot 5 points6 points7 points 11 hours ago
Yeah, that's more like what I would guess it to be like. That plus a shit ton of giant seismic cracks in our land, and super massive tides and all.
[–]jb2386 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
When I made it I had another picture with the moon in it and scaled Jupiter off that. Remember what you're seeing in this image is about 1/4 of Jupiter :)
[–]EvolvingOperator 4 points5 points6 points 18 hours ago
And some guy was asking on twitter about it, and clearly it made back to reddit.
https://twitter.com/NathanaelB/status/259180241568804864
karmadecay must be having a bad day.
[–]thescandall 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
It was also posted last night by the FB group "I Fucking Love Science"
[–]MNEvenflow 2 points3 points4 points 18 hours ago
Maybe someone with a bit more knowledge can confirm this for me, but I'm pretty sure if Earth and Jupiter had an orbit relationship and their poles were aligned, Jupiter's cloud stripes would be closer to perpendicular when at the horizon for most of earths latitudes than horizontal.
[–]fullerenedream 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
Thanks! I will now pretend I vacationed on a terraformed moon of Jupiter.
[–]intmax64 3 points4 points5 points 20 hours ago
Thanks for my new desktop background!
[–]doubleu 20 points21 points22 points 16 hours ago
Anyone seeking more info might also check here:
source: karmadecay
Yep, mine. :)
[–]new_math 25 points26 points27 points 1 day ago
Cool picture. The earth would have to be moving pretty fast I imagine, to overcome gravity and not fall into Jupiter at this distance...
[–]bigmouth_strikes 38 points39 points40 points 22 hours ago
Yeah, there are a lot of issues with this scenario, massive tidal waves, blocking out the sun and volcanic activity following the enormous gravitational strain on our planet.
But still, what a sky!
This one, Earth with Saturn's rings is also nice.
[–]OneOfTheTaken 13 points14 points15 points 17 hours ago
I can only imagine why types of mythologies and cultures would have come about if mankind had that to see every waking hour.
[–]TJ11240 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Please read the Revelation Space series, by Alastair Reynolds. In the final book of the trilogy, a major theme is a moon civilization living in the shadow of a gas giant, with a religion based on always circumnavigating the moon to keep the planet at zenith. Wicked cool stuff, and it's hard sci fi, so the author sticks to realistic ideas whenever possible (extrapolated, of course). This is just a subplot of the entire story, but worth mentioning.
[–]Lachlan91 7 points8 points9 points 19 hours ago
Not to mention the radiation would kill us long before the rest of that.
[–]Bashasaurus 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
jupiter pumps out radiation? I don't think I've ever heard that
[–]DdCno1 4 points5 points6 points 17 hours ago
[...] Jupiter still radiates more heat than it receives from the Sun; the amount of heat produced inside the planet is similar to the total solar radiation it receives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter#Mass
[–]DeskFlyer 4 points5 points6 points 15 hours ago
The radiation belts contained by Jupiter's powerful magnetosphere would be the main hazard, not radiation emitted by the planet itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere_of_Jupiter
[–]muffley 9 points10 points11 points 18 hours ago
Since I enjoy humans having a space program, I'm glad Earth doesn't have rings.
[–]bigmouth_strikes 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago
Good point! It would be much more expensive bringing things into space further from the equator, just to be safe from the rings. Also, satellites would have an issue with the rings.
[–]RangerPL 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
You can't launch something into orbit without it passing over the equator.
[–]unfortunatejordan 4 points5 points6 points 17 hours ago
blocking out the sun
I remember reading in some detail what the effect of this would be from Earth, it was fascinating! It assumed we were also tidally-locked, with one side always facing Jupiter.
If you were on the surface of the 'inner' side, during the most of the day Jupiter would completely blot out the sun, during the night it would be incredibly bright as light reflected off Jupiter. If you were on the far side, you'd never see Jupiter at all.
Damn, now that I think about it, someone even wrote a fictional story of some 16th/17th century sailors circumnavigating this imaginary Earth for the first time, and described their awe as Jupiter rose up and filled the sky. I hope someone can find it, I believe it was from reddit.
[–]hamsterwheel 2 points3 points4 points 18 hours ago
Thats so fucking cool. I WANT RINGS DAMNIT! Also, ave maria is a gorgeous song.
[–]InductorMan 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
At that distance, we'd be a moon!
[–]GrixM 31 points32 points33 points 22 hours ago*
Related, one of the most amazing videos on the net: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Yi58jtNdY
(as you can see, Jupiter would actually have looked MUCH bigger)
[–]Daddy_of_Z 26 points27 points28 points 19 hours ago
The difference between the two can be explained this way. In the picture Jupiter's closest face is as far as the face of the moon, so Jupiter's center is further away. In the video, the center of each planet is placed where the center of the moon is.
[–]elperroborrachotoo 6 points7 points8 points 18 hours ago
That's what I wondered when seeing this post "surface or center?"
[–]bigmouth_strikes 7 points8 points9 points 17 hours ago
Actually:
Jupiter radius: 71,492 km Distance to moon: 356,400 km
[–]danweber 3 points4 points5 points 15 hours ago
I think the guy who made this video admitted he messed up the math and Jupiter would not be that big. The original pic is much more accurate.
EDIT here http://bradblogspeed.com/im-bad-at-math
[–]ExecutiveChimp 7 points8 points9 points 19 hours ago
Based on center-to-center measurement, or surface-to-surface?
[–]LeonardNemoysHead 9 points10 points11 points 14 hours ago*
This is completely false. The last time this was posted (well, it's probably been reposted since then) I did the math. The Red Spot alone would take up most of the sky. There would be no part of this image where the sky is not Jupiter.
Interestingly, though, at that distance Earth is still outside the Roche limit (just over 108,000km). It wouldn't be for very long, however, and the radiation would turn Earth into a hellscape almost immediately.
e I accidentally a word.
[–]BinkusuNoSake 3 points4 points5 points 13 hours ago
I'm amazed that nobody else has said this so far, we wouldn't have much of a sky if Jupiter was as close as the moon is now, that's just nonsense!
[–]HOLOCAUST_IN_MY_ASS 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
I think its implying that the near face of jupiter would be where the near face of the moon is, not having the center in the same place
[–]goelectric 9 points10 points11 points 20 hours ago
I'd shit myself every time I looked at the sky.
[–]JSanada 3 points4 points5 points 20 hours ago
cool picture, but i don't think we'd last long.
[–]DwarfJesus 3 points4 points5 points 10 hours ago
We'd be Jupiter's moon.*
[–]potholepreacher 5 points6 points7 points 19 hours ago
Melancholia
[–]cecole1 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Trippy movie.
[–]scylus 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago
That's no moon!
[–]defectorlacera 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago
It's a gas giant!
[–]maximalyst 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Yeah, it's the main. :-P
[–]pocket_eggs 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
We're moon.
[–]Flint_Ironstag 2 points3 points4 points 18 hours ago
And eclipses would be long.
[–]Bennyboy1337 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago
Tidal surges of epic proportions.
Tidal surges of bedrock.
[–]DickTwitcher -1 points0 points1 point 15 hours ago
Y U REPOST?!
[–]Yage2006 2 points3 points4 points 10 hours ago
Sadly the surface would be so torn up by tilde forces and volcanism you wouldn't even recognize it and would be uninhabitable for humans. Also the radiation Jupiter puts out would fry anything left alive.
[–]archaicruin 2 points3 points4 points 9 hours ago
If Jupiter were that close, we would be the moon.
[–]slbain9000 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
The sky would be filled with the massive chunks of earth that were ripped away by gravity. And the oceans.
[–]andhelostthem 3 points4 points5 points 13 hours ago*
This isn't going to get noticed but Jupiter being that close wouldn't have the massive gravitational effect people are assuming. Earth is actually the densest object in the solar system and Jupiter being that close would only have a +6%/-6% change on gravity based on what side of the planet you were on (less than what you feel on an elevator). The radiation would still have a horrible effect however.
I explained it in more detail here six months ago.
[–]KazMux 2 points3 points4 points 18 hours ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Yi58jtNdY
Relevant
[–]dwood19 -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago
goddamn reposts
[–]3amZinc 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago
Isnt this just an awesome pic.... it makes me feel like we are so insignificant
[–]obscure_renegade 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
That looks cool.
[–]Dodewaard 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago
Welcome to Pandora Kiddos.
[–]can1exy 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Position-wise, is the center of Jupiter placed where the center of the Moon is? Or is this done so that the distance of the surface of the Earth to the surface of Jupiter is the same as the average distance of the Earth's surface to that of the Moon? I think that that would make for a significant difference in proximity.
[–]noisyanxious 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
Don't worry, we already have rings, they're just made of space trash is all.
[–]harajukukei 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
At that proximity, how fast would Jupiter needs to be orbiting us in order for our respective gravities to not pull us into each other?
[–]albinotadpole -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago
Someone please fix this.
[–]coochiesmoocher 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
At what distance could Earth orbit Jupiter and not be torn apart by tidal stresses or ravaged by radiation? What would it look like in our sky then?
[–]theguesser10 -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago
Is this with Jupiter's center at the Moon's center or Jupiter's surface at the Moon's surface? Big difference between the two.
[–]xxAPOGEEx 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
would that result in us seeing some crazy storms at night?? and get closer to being struck by asteroids..
[–]bunnyball88 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
What is the (romantic, non apocalyptic) version of Jupiter moon-distance from earth at night?
[–]ChodieBrodie 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
If Jupiter were as close to earth as our moon, it would evaporate to it's core because of how close it is to the sun.
Ooooh ... this looks cool. Let's make this happen. </f>
[–]ThatOneGuyFromCali 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
After seeing this picture, I went into the Universe Sandbox and made Jupiter the distance equal to the moon's and Earth was pulled into Jupiter by its gravity. I know it's probably not what would happen but just thought I'd share. :)
[–]DusLeJ 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
People would worship the red storm like a god.
[–]Dustinss5 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
aaaaaaaand it's gone.
[–]BoltonKsig 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
If Jupiter were as close to the Earth as our Moon, wouldn't we be Jupiter's moon? The gravitational pull would probably cause us to orbit Jupiter, right?
[–]a_gradual_satori 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
I often wish we could see more of our solar system from the plain day/night sky. Have more planets or moons within eye's grasp. The optimist/utopian in me likes to think this would help people keep the silly sh*t in perspective and remind us that we are at once small and part of something infinitely grand. The realist/pessimist thinks we'd just have more to claim and fight about. We're silly creatures sometimes. But, hey, you ladies/gents are cool.
[–]KrontanamoJay 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Now do it for the Sun!
[–]grodius 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
This has to be the millionth repost of this but every time I'm like holy fuck that's awesome.
[–]chemistry_teacher 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
Since I've seen this posted on reddit a good dozen times by now, I think I'll pass on clicking the image link this time.
[–]supraman001 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
That's no moon...
[–]beefpants 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago
. . . briefly.
[–]akubar 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago
we would be engulfed in Jupiter
[–]the_crumbling_temple 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
Boy life would suck if Jupiter were to be in our vicinity.
[–]nefthep 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
Such a beautiful day for massive gravity waves, super tides, earthquakes and meteors being sucked in causing constant planet-wide chaos!
[–]metaleks 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
Reminds me of this video. When Jupiter comes along, I always freak.
[–]Bomf 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
we'd have some pretty amazing eclipses :)
[–]rathat 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
What if, the sun was the moon?
[–]For-The-Swarm 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
This would produce some hellacious tides eh? I imagine it would be much easier to get off Earth also.
[–]Vault-tecPR 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
I love pictures like these, anyone know where I can find more pictures of planets from the surfaces of others?
[–]stuupidsteve 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
I gotta say, that's pretty intimidating.
[–]VinylCyril 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
You're not in Kansas anymore, you're on Pandora.
[–]celeryfc 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
In other news, there will be yet another eclipse today...
[–]qxcvr 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago
Run for your lives!!!... Oh wait, we are on a sphere.
[–]fx-991es 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago
no, it isn't what it would look like. there would be lava all over the place.
[–]wills316 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago
I had a dream like this once, that Jupiter was going to collide with the Earth for some reason. this photo looks similar to what was going on in the dream
[–]Dalektables 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
Fun fact: just based on the difference of the forces of gravity, if you weighed 70kg (154lbs) now, you would feel like you weigh about 4.5 kg (10lbs) less if jupiter was as far away as the moon is.
[–]OinkersBoinkers 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
Core or surface? There's a ~70,000km difference (which is significant when the moon varies from ~350,000-400,000km) :)
[–]tyknows 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago
would be so bad ass, but then again, if we all grew up with the sky looking like that, no one would really appreciate it
[–]Traciikay 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
This is what my dreams are made of.
[–]sunshine-x 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
now do the sun
[–]shee4brains 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
fuck the moon! bring Jupiter on in!!!!
[–]radii314 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
er, I think this is more accurate http://imgur.com/rdQJL
[–]InHarmsWay -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
Here's the coast.
[–]thalidomide_child 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Looks like we're in the Halo world.
[–]FrankCashio 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Whats the actual maths behind this? is this right?
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