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[–]Lan777 338 points339 points340 points 10 hours ago
Obviously glasses are what makes a good person.
[–]girly_fish13 250 points251 points252 points 8 hours ago
as some one who wears glasses I approve this message
[–]lizzyborden42 96 points97 points98 points 7 hours ago
crap. They lazered out my goodness when I got my eyes fixed.
[–]girly_fish13 38 points39 points40 points 7 hours ago
You could get frames with fake lenses, and buy back your goodness, kind of like some people trying to buy their way into heaven.
[–]lizzyborden42 31 points32 points33 points 7 hours ago
I don't have the extra cash. I spent it buying a homeless man a sandwich while filling up my gas tank. Well, to be honest the gas took up most of my money and I bought the sandwich after I pumped the gas.
[–]Yazzeh 18 points19 points20 points 6 hours ago
Pure evil.
[–]lizzyborden42 8 points9 points10 points 6 hours ago
I even refrained from responding with "I won't hold that against you" when he said he tries to be a good christian man. I really really wanted to say it though.
[–]vfxDan 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
So brave
[–]blaghart 5 points6 points7 points 3 hours ago
As someone who chose to stick with glasses instead of having his corneas precision melted because he's a pussy and is afraid his eyes will melt like the dude at the end of raiders of the lost ark...
HA! KARMA! or something.
[–]jon_titor 10 points11 points12 points 4 hours ago
Truth. I recently got glasses and my altruism has already spiked 300%.
[–]-Jayus- 17 points18 points19 points 7 hours ago
Lasik must then be the obvious reason for my recent decent into evil.
[–]Wacocaine 18 points19 points20 points 7 hours ago
Welcome to the dark side brother. Remember, never hit a man with glasses... hit him with a baseball bat.
[–]OccamsHairbrush 5 points6 points7 points 4 hours ago
The eyes are the window to the soul. They lift that eye-flap so the lasers can burn out the soul
[–]BeefMyJerky 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago
I've become a lot more evil since mine as well, but they did fuck it up and now I still have trouble seeing.
[–]CardboardHeatshield 20 points21 points22 points 6 hours ago
Oh my god! Hitler didn't wear glasses! You're Right!
[–]bomber90 12 points13 points14 points 6 hours ago
Wait... I thought Hitler didn't do anything wrong?
[–]free_to_try 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago
Thanks. I'd love something to drink.
[–]DiscordianStooge 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
Well, he killed Hitler. And killing is wrong.
[–]artfulshrapnel 9 points10 points11 points 8 hours ago
As someone who wears glasses I can confirm thi--
You know, I just have to stop and say how great you are. Keep up the awesome.
[–]Jamie235 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
will buying glasses allow me entry into the club?
[–]FishBonePendant 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
Not quite, next you must lay a gaggle of bitches.
[–]philoprophet 7 points8 points9 points 5 hours ago
"a sagan of bitches" FTFY
[–]panatellas 3 points4 points5 points 6 hours ago
A google?
[–]earthwormjim91 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
A googolplex!
[–]deja-vu-comment 431 points432 points433 points 10 hours ago
In his defense, the bible is pretty okay with slavery.
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[–]BootOnFace 54 points55 points56 points 6 hours ago
Oh deja-vu-comment. You always know the right thing to say.
[–]Clayburn 37 points38 points39 points 4 hours ago
Well, it's not meant to be interpreted literally. Slaves are metaphors for people you own.
[–]gemini86 14 points15 points16 points 3 hours ago
at first I was like...
But then I was like...
[–]Clayburn 6 points7 points8 points 3 hours ago
I've actually cashed in with this one before. Don't tell anyone.
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 100 points101 points102 points 7 hours ago
Touché!
[–]DoesntWorkForTheDEA 18 points19 points20 points 4 hours ago
Playing devils advocate here:
The bible was a product of it's own time. When the bible was written slavery was widespread and looked upon as normal. The revolutionary thing about the bible was that it proposed rules and ways to treat your slaves. Previous to that there were no rules on how you could treat your slaves. The bible gave slaves rights that they didnt have before. It even offered some situations where you would have to release slaves.
Just putting that out there.
[–]theothersteve7 8 points9 points10 points 3 hours ago
Er, "devil's advocate"?
[–]tisitwon 2 points3 points4 points 1 hour ago
Which makes it fascinating historical literature, but a complete failure at claiming to be the product of an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving god.
[–]jdub55 7 points8 points9 points 6 hours ago
You have to make some distinction here. "Slavery back then" vs "slavery today" are quite different.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
"What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters."
[–]StarManta 41 points42 points43 points 6 hours ago
So.... because people kept slaves based on things besides skin color, that made it ok?
Slavery is okay, but the real problem with American slavery was racism?
Is that the argument you're seriously trying to make?
[–]vegetaman 38 points39 points40 points 6 hours ago
Actually I think he's trying to (partially) make an argument that slaves in the times before was more like indentured servitude...
Still doesn't make it right, though.
[–]Syn7axError 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago
People still sold themselves into slavery at the time, though. The conditions for a slave simply weren't much worse than anywhere else. You did manual labour under the sun a lot and ate when you weren't.
It simply wasn't as bad because the whole world kinda sucked back then.
[–]DrPineappleSocks 12 points13 points14 points 5 hours ago
Classic straw man. No that is not what he's saying. Take a more critical look at what he's saying. The whole point of the paragraph was to explain that slavery meant something different from the more recent and far more morally reprehensible slavery you are so against. How do YOU define slavery? Is it okay for me to tell someone what to do as long as I give them a livable wage? Does slavery become freedom the instant we start paying people? Is that what you're saying? I would say no. (See I can straw man too) As a matter of fact there is very little difference between biblical slavery and the modern day fast food worker. Before you say "yeah but at least fast food workers can choose what to do when they aren't at work." I would argue that no, they can only do what they can afford on the poor wage they earn, and that in fact, most biblical slaves had free time and their own personal property, similar to a modern-day fast food worker.
[–]stoppedcaring0 9 points10 points11 points 4 hours ago
No, you misconstrued his point. Slavery isn't bad because workers don't have free time. Slavery is bad because slaves are obligated to be workers for their "employer," and have no recourse if they decide they no longer wish to be slaves. A fast food worker may work for low compensation, but he has the eventual option of no longer being a fast food worker, by attaining certificates or working for a promotion or even just up and leaving town. A slave is a slave, and is obligated to be one, until his owner says it'd be okay if he wasn't a slave anymore. If he never says that, the slave will always be a slave.
[–]misterrespectful 6 points7 points8 points 4 hours ago
You're using a modern Western idea of freedom, combined with several misunderstandings of the (overloaded) term "slavery".
Slaves "have no recourse if they decide they no longer wish to be slaves", but If I decide I don't want to work, I'll be soon evicted and homeless on the street -- American freedom, sure enough, but in many/most societies in the world (even today) the ability to do this is not seen as a benefit.
"A fast food worker ... has the eventual option of no longer being a fast food worker, by attaining certificates" -- really? How often does somebody stuck in this job actually escape through "attained certificates"? By comparison, slaves in the Bible were required to be freed by their owners after 6 years of work. Permanent slavery was the exception, not the rule.
Furthermore, as some people chose to become slaves to have their needs met, in exchange for work (not entirely unlike a modern job), their obligation to work there is purely monetary, not racial or ethnic or familial. Your friends or family could buy out your contract, something that 19th century American slavery didn't exactly offer. You claim that a slave is a slave "until his owner says it'd be okay if he wasn't a slave anymore", but this is simply false.
"Slavery" is one of those horribly overloaded words, especially when mixed with the modern Western glorified concept of freedom. This makes discussion difficult, since people try to overlay American slavery, the modern free market (and fast food employment!), and ease of retraining and changing jobs.
I think the closest modern parallel to Biblical slavery is "minimum wage". You're not making much, you're probably stuck there for several years, and you hope your friends and family can help you out. Life kind of sucks compared to the people you work for, but you have a roof over your head and food on your table. You could probably run away to escape your contract but being unemployed and homeless would be even worse.
[–]stoppedcaring0 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago
1)...You really have never heard of the concept of a person working a minimum wage job to put themselves through college or technical school?
2) Buying out a slave's contract is his owner saying, legally, "Okay, you're free to go." He may not like it, but if it's bought out the contract no longer applies and the slave is thus free to leave. Assuming, of course, there was a contract in the first place.
3) I seriously doubt the notion that slaves in the Biblical era were only held to 6-year terms of enslavement, though if you can produce proof I'd be more than happy to see it.
4) I don't doubt if, theoretically, slavery in the Biblical era was not universally as bad as American slavery was in practice. (Though if you don't find the idea of a person legally considered another's property inherently wrong, I don't think we're coming from the same planet, point-of-view wise.) (And of course, American slavery in theory was also not as bad as it was in practice.) I ask you, though -- if slavery was all happiness and roses, why were there so many slave revolts around the time of the Bible? Was there really nothing unpleasant enough about their lives to make them decide a rogue uprising against the greatest military power the world had ever known at the time was a better option? Were they just lazy workers incited by, oh, wandering long-haired socialist hippies, to think they were entitled to more than they deserved?
Also --
You're using a modern Western idea of freedom
Why yes, yes I am, because that's what the concept of "freedom" has become -- the right, if even theoretical, to be in charge of one's own destiny. That is the only definition of freedom applicable today; any present-day society that allows slavery is not considered free, and no free societies allow slavery. Period. Full stop.
I won't demonize the people of that historical era because they allowed the concept of slavery to exist and prosper. Slavery was common throughout the world at the time, and Biblical people were no worse than anyone else for it. But why should we take moral guidance from those people if they allowed an institution that, in any modern setting, is considered morally abhorrent?
[–]Mr_Tulip 5 points6 points7 points 6 hours ago
None of those things make it not slavery. Still a really fucking shitty way to run a society.
[–]APoopyDingleberry[] 9 points10 points11 points 6 hours ago
downvoted because you actually provide historical context? i know reddit hates christianity but this is a legitimate point.
[–]ruinersclub 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
No it's not. Just because there were Indentured slaves at that time doesn't mean there weren't slaves. The article is just really grasping.
[–]greyliberte 71 points72 points73 points 9 hours ago
a man that has gotten rich from preaching morals and religious integrity, and at the same time doesn't have a charitable bone in his body... I swear I've heard this story before
[–]rasungod0 22 points23 points24 points 8 hours ago
he doesn't need to donate to charity, he has his own charity, from which he is made rich.
[–]warped_and_bubbling 12 points13 points14 points 7 hours ago
And how dare you expect to him to give to those in need, they'll have all they could ever want in heaven after-all, so long as they follow/listen/give money to him.
[–]geordie42 40 points41 points42 points 9 hours ago
Are Gates and Buffett really atheists? TIL. I'd never heard that before.
[–]godlessatheist 74 points75 points76 points 6 hours ago
They don't label themselves as atheists. So we shouldn't do so either.
[–]DrJesusSingh 45 points46 points47 points 5 hours ago
But we like them, which means they have to be atheists! (see Obama, Barack).
[–]godlessatheist 20 points21 points22 points 5 hours ago
The amount of times I see "Obama is a closet atheist" posts just make me laugh. Even if he were an atheist there is no point in trying to claim him as one if he is not forthright about it.
[–]busfullofchinks 5 points6 points7 points 3 hours ago
Even if he publicly said and even talked about his religion, it wouldn't matter because he is a man who can keep religion out of politics.
[–]DiscordianStooge 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
There's a difference between claiming someone who is vocally xian, and someone who hems and haws and dances around the question when asked if they believe in a god, as Gates has. Apparently Buffets biography says he's an atheist, but I don't know where they got that info.
[–]SinofOmission 11 points12 points13 points 5 hours ago
I am reminded of Hitch's remark that there is not a term for someone who does not believe in unicorns.
[–]misantrope 13 points14 points15 points 4 hours ago
In a world where 80% of people did believe in unicorns, there damn sure would be.
[–]godlessatheist 4 points5 points6 points 4 hours ago
True but the problem with that remark is that if there were two sides that label each other a certain way then some would just find it preferable not to get involved at all even though they agree with one particular view more than the other. For instance many agnostics might have atheistic views but they prefer not to label themselves at all because they don't want to be categorized with all atheists.
You simply don't see two separate people arguing over whether unicorns exist or not.
[–]ObamasNipples 3 points4 points5 points 4 hours ago
There is not a term for styrofoam covered in melted cheese and fruit loops; your point?
[–]mr_porque 4 points5 points6 points 2 hours ago
You mean Fruit Foamage? of course there's a term for that.
[–]Calibas 8 points9 points10 points 6 hours ago
Well you can't prove God doesn't exist, so God must exist!
Oh wait, sorry, wrong faulty argument... Here, try this one: We don't have evidence they aren't atheists, so they must be atheists!
[–]666jio666 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago
Going to the Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder's Meeting, from his lips I heard Buffet say he is an agnostic, when asked by some religious guy in the crowd about faith.
[–]neren 119 points120 points121 points 6 hours ago
Comparing the worst of one group to the best of another group is never a fair juxtaposition.
[–]djm1st 46 points47 points48 points 5 hours ago
It's called cherry picking
[–]ThisSeatistaken99 14 points15 points16 points 5 hours ago
Wait. Which one is the worst? Are you suggesting that Pat Robertson is the worst evangelical christian? I would maybe have thought Ralph Reed, or maybe Antonin Scalia, but Pat Robertson? Really?
[–]gmick 10 points11 points12 points 4 hours ago*
He founded this fucking piece of shit organization that pushes this kind of propaganda and has this shithead arguing court cases. Don't underestimate Pat Robertson's shittiness.
EDIT: If you want an image of Christian fundamentalist ignorance, take a look at the comments on those two facebook pages.
[–]Xiosphere 6 points7 points8 points 3 hours ago
Holy shit the comments on the "Proffesor fired for Teaching 'Truth'" are fucking painful. I wanted to argue with them but to be honest, no fucking purpose. I almost puked at "Sadly 'college education" today is code for "liberal indoctrination." WUT WUT WUT.
[–]vodkamort 4 points5 points6 points 2 hours ago
It scares the shit out of me that there are people like this.
[–]cchereicome 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
Scalia is Catholic. There are actually no Protestants on the Supreme Court, despite the fact that 48% of US adults self-identify as Protestant.
[–]Shignits 8 points9 points10 points 5 hours ago
It isn't necessarily comparing the best nor the worst; it is comparing the wealthiest of the groups.
[–]simplehiker 22 points23 points24 points 9 hours ago
Can anyone post the source data for this graphic? I know Buffet and Gates are known for being very philanthropic, but are they really atheists? Where's the data on Robertson's donations?
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 60 points61 points62 points 9 hours ago
PBS interview Nov 1995:
Interviewer: Do you believe in the Sermon on the Mount?
Gates: I don’t. I’m not somebody who goes to church on a regular basis. The specific elements of Christianity are not something I’m a huge believer in. There’s a lot of merit in the moral aspects of religion. I think it can have a very very positive impact.
PBS interviewer: I sometimes say to people, do you believe there is a god, or do you know there is a god? And, you’d say you don’t know?
Gates: In terms of doing things I take a fairly scientific approach to why things happen and how they happen.
[–]nxtm4n 33 points34 points35 points 7 hours ago
Seems to me that he was dancing around the fact of his atheism. It's not like atheism is fully accepted now, let alone 17 years ago.
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 29 points30 points31 points 7 hours ago
I agree, he very much sounds like an atheist who feels uncomfortable being asked such personal questions that might require him to reveal something fairly unpopular in America, namely his atheism.
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 43 points44 points45 points 9 hours ago
“He did not subscribe to his family’s religion. Even at a young age he was too mathematical, too logical, to make the leap of faith. He adopted his father’s ethical underpinnings, but not his belief in an unseen divinity.”
–from Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist, by Roger Lowenstein (Doubleday, 1995), page 13.
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 12 points13 points14 points 9 hours ago
Pat Robertson addressed above.
[–]smashedfinger 10 points11 points12 points 8 hours ago
the comment in question
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
Thank you, I didn't realize it had dropped to the bottom.
[–]WalkingCloud 50 points51 points52 points 8 hours ago
Has it been a month again already?
[–]DoctorHoenikker 16 points17 points18 points 6 hours ago*
I'm with the student group that ran this campaign (the first two panels, anyway. Some redditor added the third one), and even I now dread the monthly repost.
It was cool that our efforts were recognized at first, but now I'm just tired of explaining and otherwise defending it. And for all of the worthwhile things we post to this subreddit that go pretty much nowhere, this stupid thing rockets to the top every fucking time.
[–]Doctorwubwub 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago
Sometimes it feels like I've gone back in time, seeing almost the same front page every now and then.
[–]Thursdayftw 130 points131 points132 points 10 hours ago
I liked the part where atheists are better people than theists
[–]positron_potato 55 points56 points57 points 8 hours ago
im not sure what op was trying to say with this post, but i see it as a response to being told that atheists are not moral people. with such a small sample size, all it can say is that not all Christians are more moral than all atheists.
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 60 points61 points62 points 7 hours ago*
Indeed, I feel the image is specifically a response to the claim that you cannot be a morally upright person without religion (that you cannot be good without god), which is clearly not true.
At the same time, the contrast with the Pat Robertson image is intended to show that religion in and of itself is no qualifier for morality: even the most religious of Americans are not good people solely by virtue of their religious beliefs about right and wrong. (though they very well might be good people regardless, of course)
[–]COXIMUS 9 points10 points11 points 5 hours ago
Where this gets tricky, however, is that a Christian will tell you that Bill Gates knows that donating money to charities is a good, moral thing to do because of the social standard that Christianity set. An atheist might not do good things because of religion, but he knows the difference between right and wrong because of religion.
Believe me, I know it's bullshit, but that's the argument that you'll hear in response.
[–]DutchMeNow[S] 6 points7 points8 points 5 hours ago
That reasoning is not entirely off-base, just because Western society is built on a judeo-christian theological structure, which includes the basis for our culture's values.
However, the more sensible explanation is of course that Christians believe in these morals in the first place, because a majority of them are inherent human qualities developed through natural selection that favored social structures where people respect and help one another to preserve the peace and build their knowledge from generation to generation (that whole standing-on-the-shoulders-of-giants idea).
So ultimately we don't owe those beliefs to christianity, they owe that set of inherent moral values to evolution.
(Apologies for generalizations, I'm just trying to give a brief overview in a single comment, I understand that the entire discourse is far more complex.)
[–]enzamatica 3 points4 points5 points 6 hours ago
Well said.
[–]brorca 40 points41 points42 points 7 hours ago
Some atheists are better than some theists, yes.
[–]isthat_edward_towers 48 points49 points50 points 7 hours ago
And some theists are better people than some atheists.
[–]gormster 44 points45 points46 points 6 hours ago
What? Are you trying to say that people are complex?
[–]isthat_edward_towers 7 points8 points9 points 6 hours ago
I'm trying to let r/atheism know that posts like these are stupid and counter productive. If you constantly feel the need to validate your lack of belief you are going to have a miserable life.
[–]Oni_Tabris 9 points10 points11 points 5 hours ago
Well, it's meant as a rebuttal, in't it? A disturbingly common talking point is that God is the source of all true morality, and therefore anyone without God is immoral.
As far as I know, the original version was literally just a list of examples of philanthropical atheists, as a way of saying "That point? It's not very strong." Adding Pat Roberston came later,to the best of my knowledge, and I agree with you, it is counterproductive.
[–]Workittor 4 points5 points6 points 5 hours ago
I feel like this could be something a bot says in every thread in r/atheism
[–]MalaysiaTeacher 4 points5 points6 points 4 hours ago
1) Come to /r/atheism
2) Deliberately misinterpret simple message to appear clever and aloof
3) ???
4) Douche
[–]perogy_nightmare 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
I grew up mormon, though I am no longer, and in the media whenever a feel-good story would come on about someone committing some kind gesture my mother would always say, "oh, they must be mormon." I would mention that there were several other possibilities, but she would insist, "nope, they are definitely mormon." TL;DR My Mom thinks Mormons have a monopoly on good deeds.
[–]DiscordianStooge 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago
If they're not Mormon now, they will be after they die.
[–]nedstupidflanders 13 points14 points15 points 10 hours ago
I am neutral without god.
[–]scurvebeard 15 points16 points17 points 7 hours ago
I am chaotic good without god.
[–]nxtm4n 17 points18 points19 points 7 hours ago
I am lawful evil without go-
Wait, that doesn't help.
[–]JSlayerz 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago
good ol r/athiesm, taking the best of one side and comparing it to the worst of another.
[–]ilazul 7 points8 points9 points 8 hours ago
Bill Gates was viewed as an evil villain for years when I was younger (regularly making reference to him on shows, even a Simpsons episode when homer tries to make his own computer business). I don't understand why all the sudden he's this super nice person, despite some of the horrid things Microsoft has done under him.
[–]scurvebeard 16 points17 points18 points 7 hours ago
Check out the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
[–]possumpossum 3 points4 points5 points 3 hours ago
In defense or my religious heritage:
I live near the Gulf of Mexico. After Hurricane Katrina hit, I went with a group from my church to Gulf Port, FL. The interstate was crammed with people. Most noticeably Baptists, with their generators in tow on their way to a church where supplies and cots were available. They were volunteers.
I did not see you fuckers there.
My point, is when shit goes down, I know who I'm calling.
-Sarah
[–]LeDownvoteYou 13 points14 points15 points 6 hours ago
HEY GUYS I KNOW IM GOING TO BE DOWNVOTED (OH FUCKING NO) BUT ATHEISTS CAN BE DICKHEADS TOO. FUCKING. NEWSFLASH.
[–]Buck-Nasty 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
You clearly missed the point. It's refuting the religious community's claim that you can't be good without God.
[–]DiscordianStooge 4 points5 points6 points 5 hours ago
Oh. My dog! I literally didn't know this until you said so! This post is so wrong because of what you said in boldface text!
[–]larg3-p3nis 9 points10 points11 points 10 hours ago
I think you are missing the point. When someone confuses morality with obedience to a deity they are demonstrating precisely that they have very little understanding what morality is.
[–]BananaChewer 7 points8 points9 points 7 hours ago
There are plenty of atheists who have done wrong with their money as Robertson has, and there are plenty of Christians who have donated large %'s of their incomes as Gates has. I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that this post is pretty much completely redundant.
[–]Indigone 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
Generally religious people donate more money to charities, but it doesn't mean that they are overall more generous people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/study-less-religious-stat_n_1810425.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/generous-states-charities-lean-republican/story?id=17030246#.UHjIfGntiKo
http://secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=fi&page=generous_atheists
[–]wwuullff 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
They are not "good with out god", they are "good with out religion". The closer you are to the earth and people, the closer to god you are, and the more you want to help people. People enveloped in religion tend to be the worst, but those shrouded in god seem to be the best. How many people on /atheism love god and spirituality, but hates religion and what it does to the masses. Religion and holiness seem to be opposites a lot of the times... anyone else agree? and what does this make me? I really hate being labeled, but is there a word for this thought pattern?
[–]SauceSalesman 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago
I'm not an atheist, but I felt the need to pop in here and say that Pat Robertson is a cunt and a slug of a human being.
[–]GhelatinousBooze 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Bill Gates isn't good. First of all, he practically stole all that money by stealing ideas that weren't his and capitalizing on them. Oh, and so then he donates pennies compared to what he's racked up by cheating the public, and so he's good.
Really, I thought Reddit was better than this. Although, I suppose that's why most of them circlejerk all over Steve Jobs. Too many idiots found out about Reddit.
[–]WhiteMonkey69 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago
The Roman Catholic Church is the most charitable organization in the world. Let that sink in before you start bashing theists.
[–]IXIELCHINGONIXI 4 points5 points6 points 4 hours ago
This post isn't talking about that organization.
[–]Mark_Faas 3 points4 points5 points 6 hours ago
Honestly, if I had money to have slaves mining diamonds for me, I would do that shit, and I wouldn't give ANY money to anybody. ALL MINE. and I'm an atheist, I don't think whether or not you believe in god has anything to do with it. Some of us are just heartless assholes.
[–]vpthree 3 points4 points5 points 3 hours ago
They spelled Evangelical wrong.
[–]Trawgg 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
People who make pictures with claims like these should really cite their sources if they want people to take them seriously. I personally do not doubt the content presented but it would be nice to be able to quickly find the proof of the claims.
[–]TheRealMrsClaus 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
This does it. Last straw. I've had it with you r/atheism. You are hearby blocked, goodbye.
[–]badeel 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago
Amen.
[–]He11razor 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
Well, bye
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[–]rewnskeyp 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Used to get lectured on a bible passage about not being able to enter through the heaven gates without giving away all your possessions and what not.
Hypocritical is the word.
[–]irrelevant_atheist 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
i wish i was as rich as them honestly, charities wouldnt matter...
[–]Malekii 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
If i had a dollar for everytime i've seen this image...
[–]StarManta 5 points6 points7 points 6 hours ago
....would you donate it to charity?
[–]painperdu 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
This is truly astounding considering Jesus himself told rich people that in order to follow him they must sell all their possessions and give to the poor.
Why are the Atheists more attuned to Jesus than Christians?
[–]Sarcasticviper 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
that pat robertson looks like a long lost 2nd or 3rd cousin of Bush
[–]Highsclass_Hobo 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
You know who else didn't wear glasses? Hitler.
[–]oxidyne 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
I still can't understand USA's obsession with religion... anyone hardly gives a fuck about it in my country... and we are not well educated or anything. Its just strange...
[–]christian95c 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
I liked this repost almost forgot about it...
[–]ok_you_win 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Is there any evidence that Buffet doesn't do it for religious reasons? I've never heard so much as a peep about his personal beliefs.
[–]AlbinoCrocodile -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
Prime example of why I hate being considered Christian.
[–]orboss -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
So funny that people think buffet and gates are even in the top 10 richest people in the world. Celebrity billionaires. Yeah! Democracy folks.
[–]boscher50 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
this pic is totally stupid
[–]aquaknox 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
The point of the morality argument is not that atheists cannot excercise morality (clearly some must rub off on them if they live in such an oppressive theocracy as 'murica), but that it can't logically exist without a deity. Meaning this is blatantly a straw man.
[–]bilyan -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago
Why is the background of the last guys info blacked out behind the lettering? I was taking a picture of it with a screen shot on my computer and the slight white film showed a different shade of black that made it look manipulated.
[–]Jr05s -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago
[–]DollarsThanSense 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
THat Bill Gates is a bit of a stick in religion's craw.
[–]Reqol 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Carlos Slim Helú, the richest man in the world, is a Christian and has donated to charity and has set up his own charity organization for help in health, sports and education.
I fucking hate /r/atheism.
[–]annoyingcommunist -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago
source?
[–]upandrunning 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Pat Robertson is a man? Wow - I see the conflict!
[–]ZeroThroughNine 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/category/televangelists/
[–]Pillagerguy 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Probably neither, because you, like me, have seen this 12 times already on reddit.
[–]Gfresh404 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
This is hardly proof of anything
[–]dayvarr 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Evangellical, eh?
[–]InsideYourEar -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago
You are a bad, bad man, Mr. Pat Robinson!
[–]CYBERDYNE9000 -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago
How does Pat Robertson make money?
[–]pupparone 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
For the millionth time, atheists; this BEGS THE QUESTION AS TO WHAT "GOOD" IS. Why is giving away all of your money "good?"
[–]ahorn87 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
Being christian != good person.
[–]RabbiSheepshanker 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
TIL WTF is a link-period.
[–]zwall123 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
My dad grew up going to Bill Gates' Christmas parties when he was a kid (Bill Gates senior didn't do to bad for himself). This was due to them going to the same church. Bill Gates was raised as a Christian. It's about the person not the religious beliefs. -a non christian
[–]Scylia -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
I'm fairly certain that Bill Gates has also said he's leaving 99% of his wealth to charity.
[–]beer_nachos 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
www.secularsamaritan.com quickly highjacks my web browser and tries to download something... wtf
[–]greym84 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
I think December is my month to repost this for sweet sweet karma. Top commenter gets January!
[–]kersplona 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Everyone knows that Pat Robertson is a cunt.
[–]jayjay757 -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
Operation smile? Ever heard of it?
[–]iTimmeh -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
That's the problem with Christianity (I would say religion, but I can't speak for most of them).
I was risen in a Catholic house, and went to Catholic HS. A lot of people think they're doing enough by just reading the bible/teaching the beliefs of the church. And they only donate $50~ a year to the church (and most of that goes to paying for maintenance and salary for the people, not people who actually need help).
I volunteered once at the church for community service hours. The head priests room was GILDED. We live in a 16k~ populated area. Gilded, with a 50~inch HDTV, big house. Kinda' made me sick.
[–]sofacrunch -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
It doesn't say Pat Robinson is the first richest person in the world. Not saying he is a great guy but this is BS.
[–]Xuixien 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Upvoted for great justice.
[–]AntonChigur -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
I've come to believe, the more religious someone is, the more nasty of a person they are. I'm good without God too.
[–]franstoobnsf -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
I like how it's: "3rd richest man", "2nd richest man", "richest evangelical christian". From that picture, for all I know, he makes 100k a year, not exactly on par with those other 2.
[–]spooget -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
Cut it out with this shit. I understand the post and get that it points out flaws in specific people, but seriously, it's about specific people. As an atheist, I've personally given nothing to charity. I'm not that well off but I could spare enough. Does that mean I'm bad without god? True, a guy who's is a large face of a religion should represent what that religion claims, but just because he doesn't is no reason to condemn said religion. we are all friends with people of religions and not. Stop making it so remedial. They're are people who are horrific with and without religions, just as they're are generosities from the faith and faithless.
[–]Mintypig -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
Your comparing the best to the worst.what else do you expect.
[–]riverstyxxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
On Warren Buffett:
"On April 11, 2012, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, for which he completed treatment in September 2012"
Karma has a way of doing good things for deserving people.
[–]JustinATaylor 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
I thought I was a gold mine in liberia?
[–]KeepItRAF 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Religion is a useful shield to block your true intentions when you preach things you never practice. Don't do good things out of compulsion for fear of being punished, do them because they are the right thing to do and you are a good person.
[–]Aquarius128 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
This doesn't and shouldn't represent believers of God. What, is it stroking your all-knowing-atheist-ego?? laughing my ass off right now, no joke!
[–]brian1975 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Are these guys buddies with Monsanto? I can't remember, might just be Buffett and Gates. the third keebler elf usually says something stupid a few times a year involving natural disasters.
[–]Soluopon 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
And will you enlighten us on how much of your income you have donated to charity?
[–]MerlinCybor -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
nice cherry picking -- reddit eats that shit up.
[–]ilovecanadiancrack 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
my reaction
[–]SomeCreepyHairyguy 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
I thought Bill gates has given 36 billion not 26.
[–]Ho-chunK 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
In my opinion i dont think gates and buffet are as great as they make themselves to be. I mean after Gates at that summit idk.
[–]Voxx101 -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
Is it a case that he has never donated?
Or is it that he has never donated without telling the world of the charitable work he may or may not do anonymously?
[–]frog971007 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Can someone fact-check this please?
[–]adsel65 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
Evangelical*
[–]CGord -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
I'm an atheist and I despise every televangelist con man huckster there ever has been, but I would point out that Robertson is nowhere near Buffet and Gates' financial neighborhood.
[–]shut_up_saxaphone -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
No one here will give 99% of their wealth away, let alone $26 billion. Outliers are Outliers retards.
[–]Crankson 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Steve Jobs was also an atheist afaik and never donated anything.
As an atheist myself, I just don't think you should generalize people like that.
[–]gaijin32989 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
not sure whether to upvote or upvote
[–]connor240 -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
Did you really repost from Yahoo Answers?
[–]LouSpudol -2 points-1 points0 points 3 hours ago
Warren Buffet preaches about higher taxes for the rich and how the wealthy should pay more..well Warren Buffet, all you have to do is call your million dollar accountants and tell them to close all those tax loopholes and breaks they've been paid to find. Better yet, pay more into taxes if you're that concerned.
Not arguing the rich shouldn't pay more, just that guys like this are full of shit and people like you eat it up. If its too good to be true, it most often is. There's an ulterior motive we just don't see it.
[–]PinkPuff 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
Didn't Robertson also blame hurricane Katrina on the resident of N.O. and their wicked ways? He's a bigoted conman who fully deserves the oblivion to which he is bound.
[–]jonasmora -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
Are you?
[–]tmurty 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
I'm sure we could list some heartless businessmen who are atheist and some incredibly generous religious businessmen. This form of egotistical atheism does little for the atheist cause. People can do good with or without believing in a supernatural being. Us against them won't get us anywhere.
[–]PK_apostate 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
I hate to spoil the fun but is this even accurate? I mean the charity of Gates and Buffett are well known but does Robertson really have a bad charity track record? I couldn't find an easy answer in my 30 second Google search. I could try harder but I'm just...so...lazy.
[–]The_Innocent_Muslim -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
All three of them are rich assholes sooo....
[–]skabears 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
What does religion have to do with this? Obviously gates and buffet are good people but don't use this to make a point about atheism, there are a lot of good religious people out there too. That other dude isn't a dick because of his religion, he's just.. you know a dick.
[–]i_call_bullshit_dude 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
I don't hate the 1%, I hate the people who try to be be the 1%—the rich people that don't give back to the less fortunate.
[–]mostlyjustlurking 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
Diamond expert here. If Pat was getting blood diamonds from Africa he would be violating the Kimberly process. The Kimberly process has been in place for a decade. It is why to find new diamonds that are conflict/blood diamonds is next to impossible. They make up 2% of all diamonds worldwide. He is a douche though.
[–]Zelda_Whore 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
I love Buffett and Gates together. They spoke at my school when i was a freshman. Buffett was fun and cracked jokes. Gates giggled and was ok with being the butt of the jokes.
[–]SomniareSolace 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
repost
[–]BMRMike 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Bill Gates is an open Catholic
[–]Black_Friday_Rule 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Warren Buffet and Bill Gates make their money from exploiting the same people they give it to, the lower class.
[–]twotimer 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
To chill with sour grapes........Billy Boy Gates set up his own charities and then he gets to decide ...with Missy of course who gets what. Average peep on the block has to pay taxes and they go to whatever hole a politician has decided........So Billy Boy pays no taxes and gets to choose where the money goes.....I effin hate Der Homeland bs but guess where my tax dollars go....Billy Boy gets a choice to be "good" "look" good, but really it is not a relinquishment of his money he has to spend....but he gets to control it. Control my fellow pubes are what these boys all want.......
[–]m1kehuntertz 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
I'd like to form a movement for people that would be interested in going to piss on this mans grave when he finally dies.
[–]IHaveLurkedForYears 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
I'm not an atheist, but this is rather sad.
[–]anarchistscum -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
Can I point out that Melinda Gates in a devout Roman Catholic. Also that Bill Gates was sued for monopoly and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was started suspiciously close to that law suit. Not that r/atheism cares about anything but reveling in their arrogance.
[–]this_is_a_recording0 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
atheist here, there are good atheists and evil ones just as there are good christians and evil ones
religion has nothing to do with good or evil, absence of it doesn't make you either and neither does its presence
[–]Science_is_for_nerds -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
This is messed up. Buffest first venture was a gumball machimne. Look it up. srsly. He was 12. younwer e fighting digimon when you werwe 12
[–]jmcrockett2 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
I initially read that as Robert Pattinson..
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