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[–]mrp00sy 10 points11 points ago

Fun fact: In Barcelona, there is a George Orwell square that is under 24-hour video surveillance.

[–]Volsunga 63 points64 points ago

Dystopic literature is not about the technology or the use of technology (except Fahrenheit 451, but that's a different issue). They are about the society that causes them. The point of 1984 isn't that surveillance is bad and will cause and evil tyrannical government. It's that the politicization of language leads to a loss of ideas and can be used to control the thoughts of the population. Orwell was protesting against the euphemism treadmill. What he was trying to get across is that the "R-word" campaign is what's actually dangerous, not the NSA. You can disagree with it, but don't misrepresent it.

[–]BenCelotil 6 points7 points ago

I.E. surveillance technology and computers could be used to enhance and better society as a whole.

But it won't be used for that.

[–]WizzardLevelEcon 1 point2 points ago

it is being used for that. just because some assholes want to do bad things does with x does not stop non assholes from doing good things with x unless the assholes patented it.

[–]Clever_Austrian_Duke 3 points4 points ago

You mean the N-word campaign...

[–]austeregrim 1 point2 points ago

Napoleon?

[–]misterderp420 1 point2 points ago

That's not necessarily true. Have you ever read Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut? The book is all about the implications of technology.

[–]deja-vu-comment 130 points131 points ago

Alright, calling the bluff, how many people that upvoted this actually read 1984? Or did you just upvote it because it sounds like a smart reference?

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[–]kittenmoon2 60 points61 points ago

I have read 1984, and quite recently at that. And even if I in some aspect might be a bit tin-foil hat I still have to say that not even North Korea comes close to Oceania in 1984.

Oh, and by the way, which country is Oceania at war with?

[–]GrizzledBastard 24 points25 points ago

Eurasia. I HATE them so much. Long live East Asia. Unless its East Asia then they should all die. Viva La Eurasia.

[–]kittenmoon2 19 points20 points ago

East Asia are our allies. East Asia has always been our allies. Oceania is at war with East Asia. Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

I love Big Brother!

[–]TrainerRed 10 points11 points ago

Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past.

[–]Lazy_I 12 points13 points ago

NOW TESTIFY

[–]DoctorHeadshot 4 points5 points ago

2 + 2 = 5

[–]germsy 3 points4 points ago

Sanity is not statistical

[–]ramo805 1 point2 points ago

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!

[–]Burnt_Toast2 0 points1 point ago

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. ...shit wrong book

[–]RelevantBadReligion 1 point2 points ago

With good books and looks on their side and hearts bursting with national pride

They sang songs and went along for the ride and the other side complied

They said "Hey man where do you reside?" and "Could it be Mother Superior lied?"

And "Is it possible too many have died?" it's only natural to reply

You can't win!

Boot Stamping On A Human Face Forever

[–]KirbyStyle 0 points1 point ago

"My fellow Oceanians! As you know, we've always been at war with Eurasia. Or is it East Asia? Either way, it's war and we need division to wage it!"

[–]ItscalledCannabis 5 points6 points ago

Thank you, you single-handedly stopped a bunch of posts about how the US is just like the book 1984 that so many people have read

[–]NoRoses 0 points1 point ago

I've read it twice. I die a little inside every time.

[–]TH0UGHTP0LICE 6 points7 points ago

Room 101, comrade

[–]Sobek 14 points15 points ago

if you didn't read 1984 in middle/high school you had shitty english teachers

[–]angrydeuce 6 points7 points ago

Yeah I thought it was pretty much required reading in most any middle/high school curriculum. That, Animal Farm, Lord of the Flies, something by Shakespeare (ours was Hamlet), Red Badge of Courage, Heart of Darkness (and more I'm forgetting).

[–]mootwo14 2 points3 points ago

Much Ado about Nothing Animal Farm Macbeth The Rime of the Ancient Mariner Hamlet The Great Gatsby

My final three years of English class, here in the UK.

[–]qwaykee 2 points3 points ago

press enter two times to create NEW LINE THING WTF IS IT CALLED AGAIN

like this

and this

[–]Elrox 1 point2 points ago

Catcher in the rye?

[–]canchem 1 point2 points ago

Maybe I was just dense in middle school but I don't think I was at all mature enough to really understand Lord of the Flies (which was given to us in grade 5) or 1984, and certainly not Heart of Darkness. I wish I'd taken it more seriously but I wonder what percentage of students such books are wasted on.

[–]angrydeuce 1 point2 points ago

Yeah I think we did Lord of the Flies in 7th grade (maybe 8th?), Heart of Darkness in 9th or 10th. I got the 'message' of LotF fine, but the symbolism ('Piggy is Christ' comes to mind, but it's been so long since I read it I couldn't give any more examples) was lost on me.

Heart of Darkness I fucking hated. Just deplored. So fucking boring, and my teacher that year was one of those "no story is just a story, everything has a deep meaning behind it" types and she would pick shit apart to the point where we weren't even discussing anything that was actually in the damn book for the bulk of our lectures.

I was big into Stephen King, Anne Rice, and Michael Crichton in those days (still am, for the most part) and she was so negative about them, calling it "grocery store fiction for stupid housewives". Apparently I was just a big fucking loser because I read those books instead of Joseph Conrad or Dickens or whatever "deep" author she approved of.

[–]canchem 0 points1 point ago

This is why I have a particular fondness for Nabokov. Nobody would ever tell you it wasn't deep enough to write a whole separate book on an they were a pleasure to read, but with the added advantage that Nabokov himself wrote that he hated symbols and allegories. Whenever anyone tries to tell you that Lolita is really a story about Stalinism or some such nonsense you can just say BULLSHIT!

[–]DarthDonut 0 points1 point ago

I think children should be forced to read it.

[–]deathcomesilent 1 point2 points ago

Fahrenheit was a popular alternative.

[–]goldenpath223 0 points1 point ago

Excellent point comrade.

[–]30thCenturyMan 2 points3 points ago

I upvoted it because it's a repost!

[–]playbass06 1 point2 points ago

The fact that it's a repost is why deja-vu-comment's comment exists. That's what he does. He subtly points out reposts by re-saying the top comment.

[–]scifiwoman -1 points0 points ago

I upvoted and I have read 1984. I also upvoted Volsunga's comments. The first thing anyone thinks of when they hear "1984" is "Big Brother" and surveillance, although I agree with Volsunga that this is not necessary bad. I'm glad there are CCTV cameras at my local bus station, for instance. 1984 in my opinion was more about the gaining, maintenance, use and abuse of power. I had PND at the time and it really upset me, I argued with my husband that people wouldn't put up with it, but he insisted people can get used to anything. I happened across a review of the book by Isaac Asimov, whom I admire greatly, and he had taken my view of the matter - that the Proles would eventually rebel - that made me feel better.

[–]rossryan 0 points1 point ago

Hmm. 1984, for me, was about the rise of a monolithic party, who had so totally corrupted mankind that it had no hope of removing the parasite before it would die.

[–]barowl 0 points1 point ago

Saw this post. Wiki'd it. Looked interesting. Now reading.

[–]tarthon 0 points1 point ago

I think it was a requirement... therefore I used Sparknotes.

[–]LucidRabbit 0 points1 point ago

But Deja, big brother is great. aren't you happy that he watches over us?

[–]zippe -1 points0 points ago

Allusions to seventh grade required reading counts as a "smart reference"?

[–]0btusegoose 0 points1 point ago

Twas the only book I actually enjoyed in high school. It goes nicely with Brave New World, if you're on a distopia kick. Awesome books, both of them.

Spoiler alert: there are orgies in Brave New World. You're welcome, Reddit.

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[–]kodutta7 6 points7 points ago

I read it, but I'm still downvoting.

[–]StewieBanana -1 points0 points ago

You suck.

[–]WizzardLevelEcon 268 points269 points ago

we are not even close to 1984's form of world order or goverment, get over it.

[–]ChuckYoCouch 47 points48 points ago

We are getting closer to A Brave New World, though.

[–]--Anon-- 22 points23 points ago

[–]justhadtosaythis 7 points8 points ago

Fantastic, haven't read either book but have (of course) heard about them both.

I've been procrastinating today and I needed this metaphorical kick in the ballsack. Watching the movie Network does the same for me too.

Always thought Huxley was an interesting character. I've got to read A Brave New World and The Doors of Perception.

Off to do something sensible!

[–]auxiliary-character 6 points7 points ago

Without the 9gag watermark?

[–]BoonTobias 2 points3 points ago

That finish him cut me deep man

[–]absentmindful 4 points5 points ago

Exactly! Thank you. Look at how much random time we spend in front of screens as moment by moment pleasure seekers.

[–]angrydeuce 1 point2 points ago

Either that or Soylent Green.

[–]absentmindful 0 points1 point ago

explain.

[–]spazmodic- 0 points1 point ago

The world changes enough that it becomes cost-prohibitive for anyone but the rich to eat what we now consider food. Everyone else fight over the various soylent products, which resemble wafers, and are becoming more scarce in the setting of the movie. The people are told it's an algae product but it's actually reprocessed people

[–]absentmindful 1 point2 points ago

Okay, I could see it. we definitely aren't there yet, but you make an interesting enough case. I would definitely say we are at least metaphorically headed for soilent green.

[–]Blaster395 2 points3 points ago

No, we really are not. Calories of food available per capita is increasing, so, if anything, we are moving even further away from Soylent Green that ever.

[–]rossryan 0 points1 point ago

Indeed. If anything, we will have famine because of some new legislation to, I don't know, keep the price of corn above a certain level.

'Tis not for lack of seed, nor labor, nor capital that fields will remain fallow during times of crisis, but for the respect of a law that services only death.

[–]spazmodic- 0 points1 point ago

I know what you mean, and it's definitely a scary thought

[–]balooistrue 113 points114 points ago

I know, I hate seeing this shit. Public surveillance is not an issue at all to me. It makes law enforcement 100x easier and probably reduces the need for more asshole cops.

When they start putting cameras in my house and forcing me to watch the same TV channel all day, then yeah we have a problem. Until then, stfu foil hats.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 37 points38 points ago

I will never understand people who are rabidly concerned about their privacy...when they're in public.

You're in public, you have no privacy...get over it. Don't do things you don't want recorded and you'll be just fine.

[–]GuessWho_O 30 points31 points ago

Because, some of us like to jack off being dumpsters

[–]l0ve2h8urbs 57 points58 points ago

dumpster here, i do enjoy jacking off

[–]leandrotami 1 point2 points ago

Unless that camera out in the street can also be used to peep inside your home through the second floor windows. I understand that people in London can request the authorities to black out their windows in the camera images, but this system does not exist in my country.

[–]sterfpaul 4 points5 points ago

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." -Leonard Nimoy, Civilization 4

I don't agree with this but it's a good quote

[–]thatguyfromjustnow 10 points11 points ago

The quote is actually by Ben Franklin, for the record, probably uttered while he was busy trading French currency for French pussy.

[–]mojorisin2592 1 point2 points ago

Have you ever watched the news? It's closer than you think. Read 1984 again.

edit: if you're interested

[–]spagnitz 2 points3 points ago

so we give them the means to oppress people and hope they don't use it, what if an oppressive government gets into power and starts to misuse all of this power you have previously granted them

[–]rossryan 0 points1 point ago

It makes law enforcement 100x easier and probably reduces the need for more asshole cops.

And as our British cousins have noted, it does jack for reducing crime. When the criminals see cameras being placed everywhere, they simply move to a place less watched (like right around the corner). So, I guess you're asking the taxpayer to spend a ton of money for zero benefit? That's...dumb.

[–]belltollsfortea 1 point2 points ago

I think political correctness might be considered newspeak in a way. It's the state taking over and manipulating the language and the people adopting it. It's a very slow process so you don't really recognize it but if you were in a coma for fifty years and woke up today, you would need to take a few classes just to understand the basic things the government is saying. That stuff doesn't just happen, it takes a concerted effort to push key people that are in the public eye and have them use this new political language. And the only goal of the new language is to distort and conceal the states true opinions or intentions. There is no need for it to be exactly like 1984, but there are defiantly some elements of it in today's world.

[–]pxlhstl 2 points3 points ago

No, net even close. That's why we have somehow orwellian proposals like ACTA, the Patriot Act, NDAA, Western governments heavily influenced by lobbyists, media juggernauts who act like shadow governments (Bertelsmann in Germany) ...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a paranoid conspiracy theorist but I think that you take this trend to lightly. So how did the 500 k of surveillance cameras help to prevent the 2011 riots in London? What some police men think about CCTV.

[–]deltarob 5 points6 points ago

You cant PREVENT a riot with CCTV but you sure as fuck can arrest people far easier afterwards

delayed justice is still justice

[–]cholo_aleman 0 points1 point ago

media juggernauts who act like shadow governments (Bertelsmann in Germany)

bullshit.

[–]pxlhstl -1 points0 points ago

The only bullshit here is your useless one-word comment. Give arguments or shut the fuck up.

If you can speak German, here are some informations for you (reliable sources): Link 1 , Link 2, Link 3

[–]McFeely_Smackup -1 points0 points ago

This is the kind of shit I'm sick to goddamn death of hearing from people. 1984 was not about public surveillance...not even a little. I don't think these people have even read the book, which takes all of about an hour (or two)

This is like a genetically modified food activist holding up "Animal Farm" signs...because you know, farms have food.

[–]headzoo 17 points18 points ago

Surveillance is one of the central themes of the book. Does "Big Brother is watching you" ring any bells?

In the society that Orwell describes, everyone is under complete surveillance by the authorities, mainly by telescreens. The people are constantly reminded of this by the phrase "Big Brother is watching you", which is the core "truth" of the propaganda system in this state

Source

Orwell takes surveillance to an even deeper level than video cameras and telescreens. In the society he describes everyone is spying on you. Your friends, your workers, even your own kids. You're still being watched even when you're out of sight of a camera.

Surveillance may not be the only theme in the book, but it's critical to the story in explaining how totalitarian government keep their power.

Are you sure you understood the book?

[–]AH17708 2 points3 points ago

Have you guys seen Brazil thats another good film in this topic realm.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 4 points5 points ago

I'm not sure you understood my statement about "public surveillance".

the overwhelming privacy issues raised in the book was the utter lack of privacy, even in ones own home.

[–]rossryan 0 points1 point ago

It starts in the airports, moves to the streets, then to their homes. Can you blame them for not waiting until a camera is installed in their homes to voice their concerns over the use or, rather, the misuse, of this technology?

Perhaps you'd like us all to cross our fingers, chant "It could never happen here," and install surveillance equipment everywhere with the idea that somehow, despite centuries of evidence to the contrary, the people in 'power' will prove us all wrong, and not abuse, in even the slightest, the new information they're given? Did you know that gullible can be spelled with only one 'l'?

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point ago

you mean invasion of privacy starts with not invading privacy, so we shouldn't wait until privacy is invaded otherwise we won't be able to defend privacy?

Slippery slope isn't always a logical fallacy, but in this case it firmly is. You have to first START with a rights violation before rights are eroded, poking at your paranoia doesn't count.

[–]toSTONEiGO 1 point2 points ago

Diggro doesn't believe the shit he posts. He just constantly posts stupid shit and reposts from a few months ago in hopes of raising his karma count.

[–]sakri 0 points1 point ago

Whatever happens, wherever, an iPhone will film it and post it to facebook. Pretty close.

[–]bricardo -1 points0 points ago

But the technology is close to allowing for it, so the opportunity is there.

[–]E2M8 0 points1 point ago

But I want to look like I am well versed in literature and do be smart!

[–]rossryan 0 points1 point ago

I take it you're the kind of person who waits until after the judge has passed sentence to note that you're in a bit of trouble?

[–]WizzardLevelEcon 0 points1 point ago

no.

[–]rossryan 0 points1 point ago

Fair enough. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and assume that you would be disinclined to support a 1984 style of civilization. So, may I ask you at when, exactly, would you consider our civilization as headed to a 1984ish way of life? What would you consider the turning point?

[–]WizzardLevelEcon 1 point2 points ago

when a person can't freely speak freely about a person or entity in the way they chose it being positive or negative.

laws are made beyond reasonable that they inhibit a person from being able to conduct their private life with out in/directly endanger the society or another person within reasonable circumstance.

laws are made that govern how a person should act that has nothing to do with safety or property.

[–]Fabrezio -4 points-3 points ago

umm trapwire, stellar wind, operation mockingbird. This shit exists and is only going to get worse.

edit to ad NDAA. People from the occupy protests have gone missing and no one has heard from them. They are most likely being held indefinitely in military detention centers and they won't even get a trial. Sounds fun right?

A good video on stellar wind for those of you americans who think you aren't being spied on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIPHNlAxY4

[–]kvachon 12 points13 points ago

Are you woken up daily to preform exercise under the direct supervision of the state? Are you assigned your job? Are you forbidden from making any emotional attachment to another person? The main character in that book was not simply under surveillance, his entire emotional being was calculated and controlled by the state. There is a vast difference.

[–]winterd 43 points44 points ago

The mere fact that this post still exists completely unravels this sign's entire argumet.

[–]bleyva 6 points7 points ago

Whoa whoa, are you implying this post isn't incredibly deep?

[–]absentmindful 4 points5 points ago

ha! exactly.

[–]FokJulleNaaiers 13 points14 points ago

wow, so deep mannn

[–]getoutofmyyard 6 points7 points ago

This makes me wonder how many times I can see the same picture on Reddit.

[–]absentmindful -1 points0 points ago

as many times as they decide to let us think we are in control, man.

[–]hrtzdnnt 15 points16 points ago

woah man fucking like fuck the system man 420 bro

[–]iced327 9 points10 points ago

RON PAUL 2012 I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK blah blah blah

[–]vecnyj 8 points9 points ago

In 1984 you literally would get killed for saying something anti-Big Brother in your own home, or even having a facial expression that implied hate. The government controlled the entire media and rationed food. You are an idiot if you think we are even marginally close to that.

[–]whateverdipshit 1 point2 points ago

It's liberals that are more likely to be upset by what people think, versus what they do. Reddit itself is a website built on censorship.

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[–]Leafy_head 17 points18 points ago

I feel like I'm a distinct minority in wanting more cameras observing public areas, with the caveat that the footage never be secret or otherwise unavailable to public review.

Cameras don't always tell the whole story, but frankly, I trust them more than I trust human witnesses.

[–]gage117 6 points7 points ago

Seconded, if it's a really public area, like a park, or in front of a store, or a street, then it's a public area. The fact you did something illegal or private in a public area is your bad. Now if they started filming our properties exclusively, or something like that, I'd have a problem.

[–]Flumptastic 1 point2 points ago

Police can destroy evidence, and I have seen it happen before there is even a chance of the evidence being publicized as a precaution to hide disgusting behavior.

[–]hrtzdnnt 1 point2 points ago

I'd love to know how you've seen the police destroy evidence exactly.

[–]Flumptastic 0 points1 point ago

http://politicalfailblog.com/video-leaked-nypd-footage-occupy-wall-street-raid/

Search the page for the word "edited", first result.

[–]DoctorSweetMeat 2 points3 points ago

Why does everyone always see themselves as the party members? Did they not get the book at all?

[–]ESully 0 points1 point ago

Or was it a warning?!

[–]deepfryerdan 2 points3 points ago

I can't believe this got so many upvotes with how young the hivemind is (or appears to be).

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points ago

I had the distinct pleasure of being in High School in 1984...so every, and I mean EVERY teacher took it as a mandate that the class read 1984 and produce a report on it.

By the time I graduated, I'm not exaggerating to say I turned in at least a dozen reports on 1984. I have read and analyzed the book so thoroughly, so many times, I could probably qualify for a doctoral thesis on it.

So yeah, I kind of have an opinion when some 20 something hipster douche references 1984 incorrectly. Get a job hippie.

[–]Weatherman542 4 points5 points ago

This is fucking stupid. Downvote.

[–]campy 4 points5 points ago

Oh man I can totally agree with this! As a white, middle-class male from the American suburbs, I feel so oppressed.

[–]Zdeno_Chara_Is_Tall 2 points3 points ago

Bro, I'm a white middle class atheist male living in the suburbs. I'm surprised I'm not in a relocation camp right now.

[–]ZeroGSpaceCow 2 points3 points ago

You're going to be really happy about those security cameras when you car gets stolen, or when someone decides not to mug you.

[–]ace0fskulls 1 point2 points ago

I study Criminology and posts like this make me cringe. Maybe there are a lot of CCTV cameras but most of them are there for public safety and crime deterrence.

You want to go smoke a joint, go do so in your own home but until those cameras are actually in your home and telling you what to say go take your 9/11 truth poster and NWO: revealed book to the children's area because your brain should fit in nicely with the other small children.

[–]SniperTooL 1 point2 points ago

Maybe there are a lot of CCTV cameras but most of them are there for public safety and crime deterrence.

You mustn't be paying very good attention in class then, because CCTV does virtually nothing to deter crime. Its initial inception was to deter crime but then they discovered that it is a pretty useless crime deterrent. It is purely a reactive justice measure and even capturing someone's picture doesn't guarantee they will be identified and brought to justice.

[–]ace0fskulls 0 points1 point ago

No. CCTV is controversial but the simple notion that CCTV is present will cause people to think twice about committing an act. If shops didn't have CCTV you don't seriously think people wouldn't stick chocolate bars in their pocket whilst the cashiers back is turned do you?

Also CCTV has been used countless times to track the last known movements of many murderers and kidnappers, the example being James Bulger case whereupon CCTV clearly showed Thompson and Venables taking the small child away.

CCTV is also used in schools and public areas to look for suspicious activity. Example here being a primary school noticing suspicious cars and person/s on the property.

Granted they do not always lead to convictions but it's a hell of a lot better than not knowing anything at all and I for one feel safer knowing that the streets are being watched and I'm quite happy for CCTV to watch my every move because I have nothing to hide and when I want privacy then I'll stay in the bedroom.

[–]SniperTooL 0 points1 point ago

the simple notion that CCTV is present will cause people to think twice about committing an act.

CCTV has been used countless times to track the last known movements of many murderers and kidnappers

Again, it is reactive-based justice orientated. And it is not an effective deterrent. People still commit crimes, people still assault other people, they still riot. Your argument is the same as the upper class in the 18th-19th century was, when their fear of the working class lead them to impose the harshest penalties possible for crimes. Hangings didn't effectively reduce crime, much the same as CCTV doesn't. I admit that there may be some areas where it has reduced crime, but overall it essentially just becomes part of the furniture. The UK spent billions on CCTV and the police commissioner openly admitted that it was ineffective. The cost:crime reduction ratio makes it grossly economically inefficient also.

[–]ZeroCoolthePhysicist -2 points-1 points ago

Hipsters bein' hipsters.

[–]oOkeuleOo 11 points12 points ago

TIL reading 1984 makes you a hipster

[–]Nex_Antonius 12 points13 points ago

On Reddit, absolutely everything makes you a hipster.

[–]ZeroGSpaceCow -1 points0 points ago

Almost. The defining trait of a hipster:

Doing/liking/having something that isn't mainstream, and being pretentious about it.

"Pretentious" can mean something as innocent as mentioning the non-mainstream thing.

"Non-mainstream" can be anything up to slightly-outdated, or just even something semi-popular.

[–]FairieswithBoots 0 points1 point ago

^ hipsters

[–]Sobek 0 points1 point ago

[–]ZeroGSpaceCow 0 points1 point ago

Ha, yeah, I know.

I mentioned in another comment that I have kind of hipstery qualities (mostly beer and music).

[–]Sobek 0 points1 point ago

Haha ok, all is well.

[–]ZeroCoolthePhysicist 4 points5 points ago

Not reading 1984. Showing off your "intellectualism" by posting idiotic stuff around town does.

[–]lisabadcat 0 points1 point ago

Neither was brave new world.

[–]Aeolean -1 points0 points ago

I think Big Brother would have closed his eyes to much of what we do today.

[–]nick041 1 point2 points ago

I have to say, there's never been a book with a final sentence that's made me just sit their in aw because of what I just read. For a good minute I re-read the final sentence in that book and was like, 'wow'. Phenomenal book, beginning to end.

[–]ViamnotacrookV 0 points1 point ago

Mpls, MN?

[–]Mguy123456789 1 point2 points ago

The alarmist is strong in this one.

[–]artbs 0 points1 point ago

But those stretchers are so good for your back!

[–]h8bit -1 points0 points ago

it hasn't been used as such, you laughable fucking idiot

[–]remyseven 1 point2 points ago

In a way, this karma thing is a form of groupthink. Oh the irony.

[–]remyseven 1 point2 points ago

at least Brave New World had orgies

[–]NoOneToldMeWhenToRun 0 points1 point ago

It was an awesome album though.

[–]jeexbit 1 point2 points ago

Big Brother is WWWatching You (feat. George Orwell)

[–]leondz 0 points1 point ago

Neither was Brave New World.

[–]orginaldon 0 points1 point ago

wtf is 1984

[–]snowlion13 0 points1 point ago

i was born in 1984 and what is this

[–]imperfect5th 0 points1 point ago

I would say (in America at least) that Fahrenheit 451 is a more accurate portrayal of our society.

[–]kvachon 0 points1 point ago

SO EDGY!

[–]loudmouthman 0 points1 point ago

1984 is about everyone watching everyone else and reporting each other for any discrepancy. Its more a Brave New World, everyone distracted and in need of distraction after one screen distracted us to the point of saturation we are building second screens on iphones, ipads and tiny laptops. it is all about the next 5 minutes of entertainment before you get distracted again.

[–]rossryan 0 points1 point ago

"Loose lips sink ships."

"If you see something, say something."

[–]craigwhyte 0 points1 point ago

i dont get it.

[–]NoLongerABystander 1 point2 points ago

Hey-O! What a witty and eye opening observation to make!

I hate how all people take away from that book is surveillance. It's so much more.

[–]dassadec 0 points1 point ago

Might as well jump?

[–]Spaghettihouse -1 points0 points ago

Oh, damn, that is some incredibly deep shit right there. That sign stapled on a pole sure showed the governme--, wait, isn't the idea in 1984 that this kind of thing couldn't have happened?

Oh, wait.

[–]ReiReim 0 points1 point ago

Ooo, what a badass. Spray painting a sign instead of the pole itself or a wall. Rage against that machine!

[–]FrogDie 0 points1 point ago

Reddit

Was not supposed to be a repost-fest

[–]GodlyDrmmr 0 points1 point ago

I doubt half the people understood that 1984 is actually a book

[–]TheExtremistModerate 0 points1 point ago

I hate when people say "ORWELL WAS RIGHT!!" as if Orwell was some pro-cog who had seen the future.

It was a work of fiction. Many people forget that.

[–]Hazy_V 0 points1 point ago

Maaaan no one gives any credit to these authors for making subtle predictions derived from the political/social happenings of their time. Everyone thinks they're just describing evil, then use the novels to correctly identify this crazy new evil. Cept it was always evil...

So give props instead of using it for insult fodder. I'm sure both uses of the literature are equally stupid...

[–]downsunup 1 point2 points ago

not even close you say? LOL if a financial collapse happens and they declare martial law youd see they really are. many of those in uniform have been trained and waiting for that day they do the secret societies bidding and youll see who the real leaders of this country are

[–]Ha-HaHolocaust 0 points1 point ago

SO BRAVE You are literally a brave 420 anarchist and please suck my dicks!!!

I bet those noob cops are ownt by your neckbeard powers!!

[–]spotterla 0 points1 point ago

Tell that to these guys

[–]Erectsean 0 points1 point ago

I feel like the first time I saw this picture was 1984.

[–]thorlichman -2 points-1 points ago

OP, let me tell you something you already know. You're not persecuted. You're not oppressed. You're just a whiny little bitch who enjoys the illusion of moral superiority you get through your imaginary victimhood. Unless you posted this from North Korea, STFU.

[–]bastian1343 -1 points0 points ago

"REPOST!" was not supposed to be a suggestion.

[–]PBRlover -1 points0 points ago

incrementalism... frog in the pot...????????????? we all need to just deal with it right? its better for society right? I dont think so.

[–]Circlejerk_Conductor -1 points0 points ago

Pathetic redditry

I mean wow guys, Open your eyes sheeple, America is fat and sucks, Pot is a miracle cure for everything, carl sagan in my ass etc.

[–]gritz4danpatrick 0 points1 point ago

why people tape over their computer's camera, and cuz you know...

[–]terf2004 1 point2 points ago

You know the reason they want you to read it in high school is because it can apply to any political situation? Its an incredibly easy book to find parallels with. That is the point.

It does however become incredibly annoying seeing people who have just found it think that its the height of political conversation to say everything is just like 1984 or reference it as often as possible.

Thats just a point for the future.

[–]gage117 -1 points0 points ago

I just read that, today. Literally got done within this hour. Coincidence? Ancient Astronaut Theorists think not.

[–]remyseven -2 points-1 points ago

Goldstein = bin Laden

there will always be a new Goldstein

[–]Fabrezio 2 points3 points ago

Gotta keep the boogyman image alive to justify wars and profits from those wars

[–]mattalxdr 0 points1 point ago

Wait, we profited from the War in Iraq/Afghanistan?

[–]Fabrezio 0 points1 point ago

Are you serious? War is a huge industry. Gotta buy the guns, bombs, planes, tanks, fuel, etc from somewhere. Companies like Boeing help finance pro war politicians so that they will help get us into war and buy Boeing items. Read this. It's called "War is a racket" and it was written by a Marine Corps General in 1935. It will open your eyes to the real reasons we have war.

[–]mattalxdr 0 points1 point ago

But who profits from it? The Federal Government?

Also, you don't have to be so condescending. It was just an honest question.

[–]Fabrezio 0 points1 point ago

Sorry, I couldn't tell if you were trolling or not. The companies that supply war products profit at the expense of the taxpayers. That's why they fund the campaigns of pro war politicians.

[–]mattalxdr 0 points1 point ago

But did the Federal Government profit from the war? That's what I meant by 'we'.

[–]Fabrezio 0 points1 point ago

Not directly, but through revolving doors and being buddies with defense contractors the politicians did. I never said the profits went to the fed govt, just that there are a lot of profits. Just because the govt doesn't profit doesn't mean that we don't go to war for profits. The politicians profit, not the govt, but thanks to career politicians (which almost all are) the politicians in all sense are the govt.

[–]Part-Time_Scientist -1 points0 points ago

Note to self read this 1984 book after I finish Grad School and have time...

[–]yusernametaken 0 points1 point ago

It makes me really sad that they don't do this book in high school anymore!

[–]Popcom 0 points1 point ago

It takes a few hours at most to read, it's fairly short. :P

[–]chiguy -3 points-2 points ago

Weak excuse. Audio book FTW.