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Christian double-standard (i.imgur.com)
submitted 14 hours ago by Scourge108
[–]SavageConvoy 102 points103 points104 points 14 hours ago
Complains about your atheist posts. Praises Jesus in every post.
[–]viperabyss 50 points51 points52 points 11 hours ago
"Stop shoving your belief into my throat!"
"Jesus forgives you, so you should love him!"
[–]splendourized 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
Seriously. You see almost every post about Jesus go by without any comment by atheists. Then almost any time an atheist posts anything about them not believing, some Christian has to post to tell them they're wrong.
[–]lWantYourDownvote -11 points-10 points-9 points 7 hours ago
Complains about how Christians disregard other peoples beliefs. Makes fun of Christians every chance they get. AHEM
[–]MarlonBain 6 points7 points8 points 7 hours ago
We're only saying that if you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it.
We're only complaining about how Christians tell us our beliefs are wrong while criticizing us for saying their beliefs are wrong. If you're a Christian who doesn't tell me I'm wrong, we cool. If you're a Christian who tells me I'm wrong but doesn't get offended when I say you're wrong, we also cool. Neither of those are what we are talking about.
I'm not a vegetarian. Some people are vegetarians. If you are a vegetarian, that's great, go nuts (ha!). If you tell me I should be a vegetarian, then I will tell you you should eat meat. That is fine too though. I've had really interesting conversations with people when I say they're wrong and they say I'm wrong. I've usually learned something. But if you tell me I should be a vegetarian, and get offended when I tell you you should eat meat, THAT is where you crossed the line.
[–]systemid2000 6 points7 points8 points 7 hours ago
the problem with what you are saying is that as atheists we have no preconceived notion of how we should conduct ourselves, hence it's not very hypocritical of us to call out ignorant fucks. Christians on the other hand are being judgmental despite the fact their bible tells them to be accepting and loving, and a whole bunch of other bullshit. As an atheist I never had to adhere to or dismiss any of that shit, i just don't like stupid people.
[–]Volatilemolotovsayss 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
So, if I give you examples of atheist hypocrisies, then what?
[–]bagdan 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
You mean like Atheists that say they don't believe in any Gods, but then they go and pray to some trans-dimensional spirit guardian mother?
I was thinking more of atheists mocking Christian billboards for converting people to Christianity, and then they go and make atheist billboards to convert people.
But okay, sure. That.
[–]SockofBadKarma 5 points6 points7 points 6 hours ago
I've never seen an atheist billboard that even remotely seems like its intent is to convert. They're all constantly directed toward calling out people who are closeted and convincing them that they aren't alone.
Frankly, "Great Spirit" atheists are far better candidates for hypocritical behavior.
[–]Hixie 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
The difference is the Christian billboards make assertions without basis to try to convince people, whereas the atheist ones try to get people to think for themselves.
[–]Deeviant 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
Actually, all of the mocking that I have seen of christian billboards has been mocking their stupidity( Like this idiotic billboard ), not "for converting people".
And that vast majority of the time I see an atheist talking about christian people attempting to convert others it is in reference to christians sprouting ridiculous rhetorical bullshit boarding on hate speech, or in refernece tp christians who are bitching that atheists should not be allowed to tell others that religion is, in fact, completely and total bullshit.
But, you know, don't let the truth get in your way.
[–]StoneColdPsyche 0 points1 point2 points 39 minutes ago
...there are atheist conversion billboards? I demand proof now.
[–]veloroflraptor 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
the problem with what you are saying is that as atheists we have no preconceived notion of how we should conduct ourselves, hence it's not very hypocritical of us to call out ignorant fucks.
To start I'd say act like adults who can understand and accept criticism. Let's be better than the folks who threaten eternal hell fire on people they barely know. Arguing with fools makes one look foolish.
The BS of these arguments hinge on this:
The rabid defenders of religion seem to think that a single voice of dissent invalidates their belief somehow, as if an omnipotent being is somehow diminished by strangers on the internet, thus they go on the defensive, war on christmas, etc.
Those who have no belief in these things whatsoever, seem to think that text over pictures of Richard Dawkins validates their life's mission, and starting arguments on facebook will shake the mega churches and crumble the vatican, when in reality, both groups could just agree to disagree and move on.
[–]GabenOnCageAction 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
There's also the fact that this is an atheist subreddit. I don't think I've ever had an atheist try to shove their beliefs down my throat in real life, but plenty of religious people have tried, even before they asked what religion I was. If they want to praise Jesus in their household or their own subreddit it's all good by me. But I want to see atheist door knockers.
[–]DeathfireD 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
That depends greatly on where you live which most people on the internet tend to ignore. In some parts of the north east I tend to run into atheists verbally degrading people who mention any indication that they may believe in a spiritual being very similar to how atheists behave on the internet. In Florida I've run into semi extreme religious people who don't necessarily push their beliefs but they will definitely question you and your reason for not believing in something. When I was in British Columbia neither religion nor atheism ever came up. I'd be interesting to have a social map of this type of stuff.
[–]GabenOnCageAction 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Fair enough, I was speaking anecdotally, but I was speaking generally at the same time. We all know too well that atheism is not connected in any way to a person's intellect or manners, so you'll have rude idiots on both sides of the aisle. But because religion is so widespread, and because there's an implicit imperative to go out and convert others, proportionally speaking you may have more of those types of in-your-face people with the religious, though there is no evidence (either way) for this, just an inference.
[–]shadowboxer1 -1 points0 points1 point 7 hours ago
Clearly people take offense to novelty account.
[–]Sharain 22 points23 points24 points 10 hours ago
"All beliefs are wrong, except mine."
[–]Ripper62 8 points9 points10 points 8 hours ago
Sounds like atheism
[–]Igneosaur 21 points22 points23 points 8 hours ago
Yes, not collecting stamps is the best hobby ever and is the only correct one.
[–]vgunmanga 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
I love not collecting stamps. I think about it all the time.
[–]The_Neckbeard_King 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
The funny thing is we do.....wait, what are we talking about again?
[–]MakeFunOfMyStupidity 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
No way, nongolfers are completely superior. /r/nongolfers anyone?
[–]Miniced 11 points12 points13 points 8 hours ago
Except atheism is not a belief, but a lack of.
[–]RationalTheist_Ninja -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 hours ago
It's still a world-view with it's own Plausibility Structure, just like any other.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 11 points12 points13 points 8 hours ago
Its not even a world view, its the rejection of a claim, that's all.
So many ppl misunderstand. Christian comes up and says 'god exists'. I say, I don't accept that assertion because using critical thinking, I Havnt been provided t proof of it. That's atheism.
It's not even saying there isn't a god. It's saying at this point I don't believe what you say to be true. I don't have blind faith.
If I tell you I have 9000000$ in my pocket, and you reject my claim, that's not a world view. It's a rejection of a claim, which is all atheism is.
[–]not_a_duck 7 points8 points9 points 8 hours ago
Still not a belief, though.
[–]protege_no1 -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago
Yep, we don't need belief because we have true knowledge, we have facts and science and are in control of our own minds and morals, we can think analytically about our actions and easily know good from bad and right from wrong without the confusion of a false God or the agenda of a church to misguide us without us even realizing.
[–]not_a_duck -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
Not everything you say is necessarily true, but I agree in spirit.
[–]RationalTheist_Ninja -2 points-1 points0 points 8 hours ago
Sure it is, it's a belief that traditional "religion" is an incorrect world-view.
[–]solefighter 4 points5 points6 points 8 hours ago
If you would allow yourself a moment of correction: the atheistic position is not that the metaphysical claims of religion are definitively untrue. It is rather the skepticism that shows there is no reason to believe or have such convictions.
[–]Miniced 5 points6 points7 points 8 hours ago
No, that would be anti-theism. Atheism is defined as a lack of theism which itself is defined as the belief in a or multiple gods. By definition everything that isn't labelled as theist is labeled by it's atheist counterpart, including but not limited to : me, a cat, a table, a potato, etc.
[–]not_a_duck 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
That's not really anti-theism. I'm an anti-theist because I oppose theism (on the grounds that it is harmful to humanity). I can do this without making belief claims.
Although I do believe God definitively does not exist with the same conviction that I believe Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy do not exist.
[–]Miniced 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
I believe that's the problem with words, either we have trouble making a consensus on proper definitions or the definition we want to use simply does not have a proper word, like this one. I think there's no word for the definition of believing the nonexistence of gods. Right now, the right way to label it is by using two words together, gnostic atheism, defined as the lack of belief in gods and the claim to know there's no gods. Obviously, it's counterpart is agnostic atheism, which is the same definition with the lack of claim to know it.
[–]not_a_duck 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
I don't think people disagree on word-use. You just used it wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism
It's cool, though. Now you know.
[–]popemeatwad 5 points6 points7 points 8 hours ago
Agnostic atheists (most atheists) wouldn't say that believing in gods is incorrect, they would just say that there is no reason to believe in gods until someone shows some evidence that they exist.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
That's semantics. You don't actually 'believe' something is not a correct view. You don't 'think' it is a world view.
It's not a belief.
[–]V1bration 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Well, it can be, like you say, Someone who does not believe in God, but it can also be Someone who believes in no God.
[–]iconrunner -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
HUGE difference between those two. First as agnostic atheism (which we all are). Second is, I suppose, Gnostic Atheism (I know there is no god) which no one in their right mind would ever say.
[–]V1bration 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
That doesn't make sense. There are a lot of people, including myself, who would say "I know there is no God." Why? 'Cause God is man - made to explain what was thought to be inexplicable. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
[–]iconrunner 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
Certain conditions of god are logically impossible, yes, but we can not say with absolute certanty that we know there is no god.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Neither does quantum mechanics, but the fact that something makes no sense has absolutely zero effect on whether it is true or not.
It is impossible for us to "know" that there isn't a god who chooses to hide itself from us. That is something that we would be incapable of knowing. No, it doesn't make sense and there is no reason to believe this is the case but we can not say that we know this is not the case.
We can say that there is no god with the comparable certainty as when we say that all the dodo's are extinct. We have every reason to believe that there are no more living dodo's but we can not say that we know there are no living dodos. It is entirely possible that there is a colony of dodo's that we just haven't found yet.
[–]Molkin 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
I'm a gnostic atheist about some god concepts, and agnostic about others. Some gods are easily falsified, and some gods are just too poorly defined to be falsifiable. In my mind, people who say they believe in unfalsifiable gods are being intellectually dishonest to themselves.
[–]iconrunner 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Exactly, most of us are in the same boat here. Some god constructs are just demonstrably false (3O deities for example). However we can not say we know that a "purely" omnipotent entity does not exist. This is my point.
[–]M1rough -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 hours ago*
False. They assert the claim that God does not exist with no proof to back up the argument (Religious people do the inverse of that). Regardless, a certain amount of faith is required either way. Only agnostics can claim no faith because they assert no claims.
EDIT: no proof, as in a deductive 100% iron-clad logical argument.
[–]Miniced 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago
The a- (or an-) prefix is defined as the lack of something. Example includes atheism, asexual, agnostic, anaesthesia, etc. All of those words are defined as the lack of the associated affixes : theism, sexual, gnostic, aesthesia, etc.
By conventional English grammar definitions, atheism alone is not a claim of the nonexistence of gods, but the lack of theistic beliefs. The definition you are referring to is of the sentence "gnostic atheism" which is used to describe a lack of theistic belief by the possession of the knowledge of it's nonexistence.
[–]M1rough 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
Unless you have zero opinions about religion then you can't claim to have no theistic beliefs. And since I have never found any atheist lacking opinion on religion or theology in general, I'll have to say your distinctions are not useful, since they define people who do not exist. Your term of gnostic atheism (I understand that many people believe this is an important distinction, but people without beliefs shouldn't be so particular about their beliefs) is relatively useless since any atheist that is open to the possibility of God is agnostic. Although your technical grammar is accurate, I find it unrelated to modern vernacular.
[–]vampyro01 -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
Technically.. the term atheist is used to describe a lack of belief in the God of the three main monotheistic faiths. Considering the assertions made by the faiths dealing with misogony, racism, and cruelty.. including the hundreds of thousands of discrepancies between copies of their "holy texts"... not much of a stretch to assert they're b.s. A lot of atheists(including myself) will jump on the deist road every now and then.. but not very practical of a stance imo.. depends on which day you catch me.
[–]Mosz 5 points6 points7 points 8 hours ago
except atheism is not a belief
[–]WoollyMittens 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Atheism is a lack of belief.
[–]zhantos 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
No it's a belief in the lack of a deity. I'm atheist and I believe there is no god.
[–]WoollyMittens 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago*
I'm sorry, but I do think that makes you an anti-theist instead of an atheist.
An atheist does not believe in a god. That's exactly the opposite of believing there's no god.
The assertion stays with the believer and whomever makes the assertion carries the burden of proof.
Huh, I guess you're right.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago
I highjacking this cause its near the top and whatnot
Can someone show me something on the frontpage of r/atheism that is worth criticizing? I don't understand why the Sub is hated. Please, show me what you mean.. link?
[–]Ripper62 -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
your pretty blind then.
[–]Sfmtx123 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Sounds like bigotry. oh wait that exists in every culture
[–]Lucifers_Friend 70 points71 points72 points 14 hours ago
You'll take offense as well. Everyone takes offense when they are told off. You might even take offense to this comment.
[–]Non_Entity 15 points16 points17 points 9 hours ago
I will slep you fucking guy!
[–]ra4king 14 points15 points16 points 9 hours ago
HOW CAN SHE SLEP?!
[–]StreetSpirit127 32 points33 points34 points 9 hours ago
HEY FUCK YOU BUDDY!
[–]baik69 14 points15 points16 points 8 hours ago
I'M NOT YOUR BUDDY, GUY!
[–]Bakerpd4 11 points12 points13 points 8 hours ago
IM NOT A GUY, PAL.
[–]thehalo1pistol 18 points19 points20 points 8 hours ago
I'M NOT A PAL, I'M AN NTSC!
[–]tigger0jk 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
WHO YOU CALLIN' FRIEND, JACKASS?
[–]TEmpTom 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
I'M NOT YOUR PAL, BUDDY!
[–]Fauster 0 points1 point2 points 38 minutes ago
Yeah, and people initiated in all dogmas take equal offense when their beliefs are maligned! This is why scientists are always concerned that their belief-system will erode without blasphemy laws that protect universal laws.
[–]Blithon 2 points3 points4 points 9 hours ago
Woah fellow Redditor calm the fuck down! No reason to bite someone's head off!
[–]KuhrazyIvan 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago
I'm not offended if you say I'm wrong as an atheist. It's a non issue, water off a ducks back. People of a religious persuasion should respond in kind.
I am offended when you force prayer in public places, tie my patriotism to your religion, say I'm immoral because I don't share your belief, or any of the other things that I would never do to you solely because of your beliefs.
[–]Molkin 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
I might take offence, but I hope that I wouldn't. If someone tells me my beliefs are wrong, and then explains their reasons for saying so, and I can't defend that belief, then I want to abandon it. Criticism of my beliefs can be a good thing, because it helps me see flaws that I miss. I don't want to have beliefs that I cannot defend.
TL;DR: Don't be afraid to offend me by challenging my beliefs. I want to be shown where I am wrong.
[–]StealthRabbi -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
Right. Where is the double standard?
[–]SenorPerico 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Exactly. It's not a Christian double standard, it's a human double standard.
[–]LeepySham 10 points11 points12 points 8 hours ago
The difference between science and faith is that faith gets weaker when you question it.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Booooom. Truth. That's why they hate when we question it.
You can question me about science all day, and ill answer you as much as I can, and I might even say, shit I have no fucking idea, you got me there.
Religious will admit such a thing. Their faith is too strong.
[–]b0bstewart 5 points6 points7 points 9 hours ago
I am a Christian and I have no problem with people telling my beliefs are wrong... Heck, I am browsing /r/atheism.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago
Atheism is a rejection of a claim. At least for ppl who understand the true meaning of atheism.
You claim there is a god. I, as an atheist, have not been provided evidence of this yet in my life, so using critical thinking, I claim that I do not accept your assertion.
That doesn't mean I think your assertion is wrong. If i did, that would mean i know for sure there is no god. That would be ingenuine of me to think I know for certain.
Atheism is simply the rejection of the claim, god exists.
Do atheists here think atheism means you 'know there's no god'?
That wouldn't be an honest claim, at least to me.
[–]wonko221 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
I prefer to view atheism as "non-acceptance of a claim" than an outright rejection. The burden of proof is on the claimers, indeed. But if that burden were ever met, i would become an acceptor.
Granted, though i usually advocate "strong atheism" because i cannot conceive of "acceptable" proof to meet the burden of any of the various god claims i've encountered, I attempt to be non-dogmatic about it.
[–]iGotChubs4You 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Atheism
[–]Molkin 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
I like this. I am an atheist and I also have no problem with people telling me my beliefs are wrong, as long as they tell me their reasons for saying so. I don't want to have beliefs that are not true.
[–]Aaronmcom 5 points6 points7 points 8 hours ago
Im sorry. But.... come on.. originality?
[–]DollarsThanSense 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago
A good point warrants repeating and cares not for being a repost.
[–]Aaronmcom 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Not a repost. Just, kind of one of those obvious things.
[–]coastermonger -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
as the original poster and creator of this 10 months ago, even I agree. Heck it's not like any idea is truly original
[–]MegaAtheist 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
[–]force_edge 41 points42 points43 points 10 hours ago
Dammit guys this is why we're hated. You would do the exact same thing it's not a christian or muslim or hindu thing, it's just a thing people in general do.
[–]jon819 8 points9 points10 points 8 hours ago
The difference is that most of us have never been told off by a muslim or a hindu. Hindus aren't teaching about Vishnu and Ganesh in US biology classes, and Muslims aren't trying to use public funding to promote Islam on US public property. Buddhists aren't infiltrating US politics to deny rights to certain people based on scriptures. We speak out against Christians because nobody from any other religion has had a direct, face-to-face impact on our lives.
[–]force_edge 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
I get that i'm the same but one should still realize that that isn't a 'christian' trait. My point is that everyone group does.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 5 points6 points7 points 8 hours ago
You're missing the second part of it, how they tell us our beliefs are wrong i.e., "ill pray for you atheist" "I don't want you to go to hell, I wish you'd reconsider"
If they didn't make these statements, we wouldn't be telling them anything
The double standard is the point of post
[–]rxb 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
The point is that the original post is incredibly ironic because athiests tell christians they're wrong all the time, and athiests take offense when told by christians that they are wrong. What you're saying is that you single out christians even though they are one of many groups messing up this country.
[–]Iamthesmartest -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago
Yes, because everyone knows America is the entire world.
[–]Klexicon 4 points5 points6 points 8 hours ago
But a good portion of redditors are American. In other words, many of us are not qualified to talk about the religious influences in random countries across the world, so we talk about what affects us.
[–]coastermonger 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Actually no I'd beg to differ. I'm not offended at all when people question why I'm an atheist. I'm not even offended when they tell me I'm wrong.
The "offense" only starts with the death threats.
I don't have a belief system that compels me to proselytize. As a matter of fact, the only time i am outspoken about my beliefs is when the conversation is about other belief systems trying to foist their BS on my sphere.
So yeah, call my beliefs dumb, i won't get offended. But try to limit my ability to act based on beliefs i don't accept, and we have a problem.
[–]HurriKaneDeck 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
It seems the only insight in r/atheism nowadays are the comments explaining why the post is hyprocritical and stupid.
We need some kind of place where open-minded freethinkers can go to discuss religion, philosophy, and science. How about r/atheism a year or so ago?
[–]force_edge 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Try /r/TrueAtheism. The name is a bit irritating but a really good place for discussion
[–]komodoswaggin 4 points5 points6 points 10 hours ago
The Thumbnail definitely looks like she is sucking dick
[–]daddydrank 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
There are people in every group like this.
[–]squigs 3 points4 points5 points 11 hours ago
But your beliefs are wrong!!!! Mine are right!!!!
:P
[–]makesureimjewish 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago
my beliefs do not require them to believe
[–]DrPlatypusPHD 3 points4 points5 points 9 hours ago
Humanity double-standard
[–]GPadraic 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
Honestly, people who get offended because others think or believe differently than they are just really really insecure in who they are -- their identity. It's because they derive their identity from the things that they believe, and so when you "attack" the things that they believe (even just by believing differently) they see it on a reflexive level as you attacking them, as a personal attack.
So, yeah, then it gets hard to just have a discussion where reasonable people can differ.
And that goes both ways, FWIW.
There's a difference between someone believing something different and someone who goes around telling people they are wrong.
If I believe that whales are the bet animal and you say cats are the best that is fine.
But if you start telling me I'm stupid for liking whales and tellin me why I shouldnt like whales and should like cats instead every day even though I'm just trying to sit here and like whales in peace you'd expect me to get pissed
[–]GPadraic 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
But if you start telling me I'm stupid for....
Well, yeah. If you call anyone stupid, for any reason, they're going to get upset irrespective of why you're calling them stupid.
[–]Eurydemus 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
As a Christian I can honestly say I hate Christians who get offended by other beliefs. There's different beliefs between denominations, if I share mine people are offended. Others share theirs and it's all peaches and cream because it stays in the same area as other peoples beliefs.
ಠ_ಠ
[–]Deathcrush 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
That images doesn't seem to fit.
[–]MrGoodbytes 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
Reminds me of my experience.
[–]newswhore802 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
I think that applies towards most religions actually. It's kinda inherent in the design.
[–]mnarjona 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
i feel like people are caring too much about the double standard part and ignoring that this is exactly the same as the scumbag christian meme.
[–]Tortfeasor55 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
To be fair, this also applies to athiests (myself included)
Hopefully not always. But you're right, most atheists would probably get offended (or at least eye-roll) if a religious person kept expressing how they'd go to hell.
But, when an atheist is questioned, very seriously, about the evidence (or lack therof) behind his or her conclusions... I'd think no offense taken
[–]breatherevenge 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
Thanks for telling us about this double-standard. Only a select few of us knew about it.
[–]Mymyilikepie 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
If I told you that your beliefs were wrong, you would get offended.
If I said that God is real, you would tell me that he/she/it/penis isn't.
That applies to both Christians and atheists.
[–]KuhrazyIvan 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
To refute you point by point:
Nope.
[–]Mymyilikepie 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Great explanation. I meant many atheists who are on this subreddit.
Could you explain though. Almost all atheists I know IRL get offended if I say that they are just plain wrong. It's human nature.
They would also debate with me on weather god is real or not.
[–]KuhrazyIvan 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
Having a debate is not the same as being offended. Just because they don't roll over and immediately accept your point of view does not mean they're offended.
[–]Mymyilikepie -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
i was just saying that this is a quadruple standard because atheists do it just as much as christians
I do not take your statement on faith and I have not had similar experiences.
Well, I've been both Jewish and atheists many times in my life, and from first hand experience, the only people who actually told me that my faith was wrong were atheists.
I guess since we have both had such different experiences with religion we'll just have to agree to disagree.
You could also realize the world does not revolve around you and not sum up the world in absolutes based solely on your experiences.
Were you offended when they told you were wrong? Do you think that's the appropriate response? If not did you make the effort needed to correct your behavior?
I am perplexed when people tell me there is an invisible sky daddy that I have to tithe to and hate myself because of, but I am not offended.
[–]iGotChubs4You -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
whether
[–]Gnometard 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
What about atheist views? I don't really have "beliefs".
beliefs aren't necessarily religious. I could believe in the existence of the higgs boson, or that the earth is flat. Right or wrong, it's just a measure of conviction about a fact or opinion
[–]Gnometard 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
I don't believe in the higgs boson. I trust the scientific method. There is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE999999999999999 difference between belief and understanding.
You believe that there is no god.
No. I have seen no proof that there is a god, or at the absolute best there is no all knowing nor caring god.
[–]rxb 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Athiest double standard: Takes offense if you say their beliefs are wrong. Tells you your beliefs are wrong.
If someone is a dick, they're going to be a dick with or without religion.
[–]MadViolinist 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
Christian double-standard...one of many.
[–]webster89 -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago
How does this get upvoted? It's the same basic opinion that everyone shares, all the damn time, but with a new picture.
[–]loljustlol 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
Id let her double standard me, so hard.
[–]vlmodcon 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
I think you could more accurately call this a human double standard.
[–]a59a 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
All Christians are not assholes just so you know
Usually,
"All x are (or are not) y"
Statements are patently false when talking about any group of people.
[–]cooltom2006 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
actually, this has not been my experience with Christians. However, I am from the UK so I think they are more accepting over here. When I tell a Christian I'm atheist they're like 'oh, ok'. It doesn't really mater, we (most of us) have learned over here in the UK that they are many different types of people with many different views so we just accept everyone without question.
[–]poohonhead 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
dat powerpoint
[–]Gluttony4 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
My Christian flatmate has this kind of problem sometimes. She frequently tells us not to say things about her religions/other beliefs with "Um, hello? Christian girl in the room, don't say stuff like that" while making the same comments that she took offense too towards other beliefs without a second thought about it.
Occasionally we'll respond to her with "Um, hello? Atheist/Buddhist/Pagan girl in the room, don't say stuff like that". Mirroring her words usually embarrasses her and makes her remember for a while that we live in a house with 4 systems of belief, not just one.
[–]3rdeyeandi 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
Atheism isn't a belief. Its it's coming to a conclusion based on the evidence provided.
I think the author here meant "belief" insofar as "confidence of a fact." Belief itself doesn't always have religious connotations
For example, I could believe that most dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid 65 million years ago, a perfectly scientific hypothesis that may or may not be precisely true.
You believe there is no god.
[–]DerekJohnsonMuses 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
While my beliefs aren't true because I believe, who isn't offended when their beliefs are questions.
[–]KuhrazyIvan 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
People secure with themselves.
I'm not offended at all really. Partly because my beliefs about the universe can and always should be scrutinized
[–]roadsiderick 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
It's only controversial in the USA. In the rest of the western world for the most part, we don't really get concerned about other systems of religion.
Or non-religion.
I estimate Americans will clue in to this way of thinking twenty years on.
which of course, explains why all the Muslims in the middle east were so tolerant of the recent criticisms of their religion
[–]I_have_teef 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
Combination This Got A Down Vote Because It Wasn't Creative Or Funny, It Was A Dry regurgitation Of Reality And A combination Of Every Other Post In This Section.
[–]Cur2394 -1 points0 points1 point 7 hours ago
Regardless of their beliefs everyone takes offense when someone disagrees with there core "beliefs". Sorry but your doing it just as much as they are. I'm tired of everyone hating everyone because they can't agree.
[–]yeastinfectionary 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
Why is this a woman?
it's actually a cross dressing man. Can't you see the adam's apple?
[–]coastermonger 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
Glad to see that my old post from 10 months ago is back on the front page. Enjoy the re-post karma you whore :-)
[–]hypnotoad12391 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Dem eyes.
[–]SkullyKitt 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
For those of you speaking speaking against this as a 'let them have their opinion' situation, remember that the specific situation is this:
One side tends to draw its conclusions from observable reality and testable, verifiable statements, and is willing to change its views in the face of new evidence.
The other believes they speak with an ultimate moral authority based on ancient myth, personal non-rational emotions, and refuses to acknowledge anything contrary to their 'truth' labeling it instead as deception or falseness.
Who would you rather have deciding what happens to you, your body, your family, friends, and generations of new minds from today into the future?
[–]Amryxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Who would you rather have deciding what happens to you, your body, your family, friends
The arrogant characterization of the "other" side notwithstanding (I've been in r/atheism long enough to note that plenty here are dogmatic and can't reason their way out of a wet paper bag), I decide what happens to me, and other people shall decide what happens to them.
If they wish to believe in a higher power and said belief brings them peace of mind, what business is it of mine? It's their brain, not mine.
[–]CaptainGurl 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
I'm new to Reddit and a Christian. Am I offended by what Atheists post? Nope, not at all. Am I offended by posts by other Christians.... Wait I haven't seen those. But seriously I don't have any desire to convert others, or tell them they're wrong. To me religion is something that is very personal and intimate. I've met a lot of other Christians who feel the need to tell me how I'm worshiping wrong. Mostly just because I choose not to go to church or open up to them about relationship with Jesus. As I write this I am realizing I may have lost my faith. Crap.
[–]sumfacilispuella 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Lol I read new to reddit, Christian, not offended by r/ atheism and thought, shouldn't take long with this one
[–]darkain 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Pretty sure that /r/atheism is well known for this exact same thing. But its ok, they're victims.
[–]Koyfe 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Atheist double standard
Complains if you tell him his beliefs are wrong
Tells you your beliefs are are wrong
[–]Ermahgerd_a_Nerd 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
I'm sure it's because I'm English and faith is more private here but I just don't understand how these arguments happen. You can't argue someone into believing in something they don't just as you can't give reason to something as illogical as faith. I would like to say though, as a Christian, and a Catholic at that, I went to church and Catholic school for 16 years and there was never any teachings telling me do damn people to hell and judge them for not believing. The overriding lesson I was taught was love one another as you wished to be loved. If someone treats you horribly then it's not your place to judge, if you know you're being as kind and curtious to them as you can be then that is your only concern. There was never any mention of people with differing beliefs or sexuality as being in someway evil. Our responsibility was to be good and loving to others, that's it. I only wish the few angry atheists I've been abused by could pay me the same curtesy. For example in a discussion at work about how all Christians ignore scientific fact I merely said I believe that the Big Bang started our life as we know it and I also believe that God could be the power source that began it. This is the first and last time I mentioned my faith at work because the anger and bile spewed at me made me burst into tears. I can't defend God to an atheist, I have no proof but my faith, but I wasn't trying to, I was just trying to have a rounded discussion and it left be horrified and very upset. I know that alot of people here have experienced extremist Christians forcing their views upon them and for that I can only apologise, that's not how I was taught a good Christian behaves.
[–]says_cabbage 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
How childish is r/atheism becoming each day. God doesn't exist but... Fuck it, christians are dumbasses
[–]bh1136 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Wait...don't we do that too? Actually...everyone except the agnostics do that.
[–]Captaincastle 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
I'd fuck her
Pretty sure people of all beliefs and yes, even non-belief, are guilty of this.
For supposedly "rational" people, r/atheism sure indulges in a lot of unsupportable generalizations.
[–]AndDuffy -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago
Yeah, this could easily apply to 90% of the people on this subreddit.
I'm an atheist! I fucking hate r/atheism! This circlejerk of hypocrisy and ignorance is abhorring.
[–]ChocolateHead 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
Atheist:
Tells religious people to stop pushing their beliefs on her.
Tells religious people on facebook that god doesn't exist.
[–]GrandMasterReddit 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
Wow, thats a double cross sword... because her beliefs .. and ... mine..
[–]Ultimate117 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
Same applies to most every group in existance, this really doesn't belong here.
[–]ManicDude 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Atheism double-standard
Takes offense if you say her beliefs are wrong. Tells you your beliefs are wrong.
[–]proselitigator 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
She's hot but stupid. So much confusion between brain and libido.
[–]KlondikeChill 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
It's like rain on your wedding day...
[–]discerningdm 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
How does this have upvotes? Way to go, OP, you've cracked the DaVinci Code of religious hypocrisy.
[–]ahump 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
No offense, but athiests are just as bad. If a christian told me I was going to hell, I don't care becasue there is no hell, but most people stop to have an argument, or make a big deal about this fictional thing.
[–]Pyrotechnik 0 points1 point2 points 58 minutes ago
My parents do this all the time and it is incredibly annoying.
[–]walrusnan 0 points1 point2 points 37 minutes ago
Also known as every religious double standard (including atheists)
[–]nick52 0 points1 point2 points 11 seconds ago
Thats every religion captain obvious
[–]javastripped -1 points0 points1 point 11 hours ago
They take offense because their 'faith' is weak.
By pointing out reality you're causing them to doubt... which is frightening to them.
I know it's annoying but you should have compassion for them. Some jerk told them that a long lost family relative who passed away is still alive but in heaven. When they realize that their relative is in fact dead they will have to morn... and not just for one relative, but probably many.
Imagine being 85 and suddenly realizing that everyone you have ever known that has died is not in fact in heaven and not going to meet you when you die.
[–]6pac 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
Yeah, it would be a hard blow to realize suddenly that there is no heaven, wich is why i usually dont mine that they believe that. But, imagine if they were never lied to about heaven in the first place.. Wich is why I am against feeding religion to small impressionable children. :)
[–]mukkor -1 points0 points1 point 12 hours ago
Replace "Christian" in the title with "Atheist" or any other religion. It's still true. It's more like a vocal and easily-offended person double standard than a double standard of any particular religion or lack thereof.
[–]eahmesy 2 points3 points4 points 11 hours ago
Yeah of course Atheism is a religion, exactly like how not playing chess is a hobby.
[–]mukkor 5 points6 points7 points 11 hours ago
Which is why I said
"Atheist" or any other religion
Notice "Any other" meaning "All non-Christian religions", since Christianity was already mentioned. And did you notice that you took offense when I called you a hypocrite? Just like the picture does for religious people?
He didn't take offense, he just pointed out the fallacy in your statement
[–]total_hater -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 hours ago
Atheist double-standard:
Laughs at Christians for believing in imaginary gods.
Believes in imaginary human moral standards.
[–]mnarjona 4 points5 points6 points 8 hours ago
care to elaborate on "imaginary morals"?
[–]Klexicon 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
His name is total hater. Could be trolling.
[–]lethrowface 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
The only requirement for one to be an atheist is that one not have belief in a god. Holy shit, how many times do we have to explain this: Atheism is not a religion or philosophy. It does not claim any morals. It teaches no lessons. It need not be based on logic or science. It simply describes the lack of belief in a god.
Atheists don't believe in "imaginary human standards". You can't say anything about what atheists believe, because they can believe in anything, as long as they don't believe in a god.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Again, semantics.. you don't 'believe' in imaginary moral standards. You 'have' implemented human moral standards in order to promote healthy living and reduce human suffering.
[–]Ripper62 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Ironically, this is r/atheism in a nutshell
[–]delthrom -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 hours ago
I'm not entirely sure how female Christians even exist. Maybe getting your ass kicked by your husband and not being able to think for yourself is really that nice?
[–]Rawtashk 4 points5 points6 points 9 hours ago
You have an extremely narrow-minded and warped view on Christianity. Not sure why you're getting upvotes..... but watch the hivemind downvote me into obscurity simply because I pointed out a fact.
[–]force_edge 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
don't worry man there's plenty of us who think nothing like that. At least I would hope so.
[–]Non_Entity -2 points-1 points0 points 9 hours ago
How about I just downvote you for being a whiny dick, even though your point was absolutely correct?
For fuck's sake, why do people always complain about getting downvoted by the 'hivemind'? Fucking bullshit, just say what you feel you should say. When you act like a bitch and complain about the karma you're just as annoying as an unthinking hivemind. It's not about the karma anyways, damnit!
Say your piece effectively, and correctly, and if your point is worth listening to people will upvote it. Even if it's contradictory to popular belief, if it is valid, there will usually be enough upvotes to keep it from drowning.
Sorry, but the stupid fucking anti-hivemind circlejerk I constantly see is even more annoying than the perceived bias of the actual hivemind it complains about. I hate it when people whine over karma. God damn. Stand up for youself.
[–]Rawtashk -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 hours ago
Here's a downvote for you for being a whiny dick. There is soooooooooooooooooooooo much hivemind on /r/atheism and /r/politics that it's not even funny, so don't even try to argue that fact.
[–]Non_Entity 2 points3 points4 points 9 hours ago
Moron, I didn't say there wasn't one. I said that the people who complain about it are more fucking annoying than the fact the hivemind exists.
[–]cjcolt 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Complaining about those damn complainers is annoying!
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[–]Rawtashk 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
No. Hivemind is when people attack someone just because they're different or have a different view/opinion....more or less.
[–]Rawtashk -2 points-1 points0 points 9 hours ago
How is this a double standard? Taking offense to something isn't a standard. Now, if it was "tells you that you shouldn't belittle other beliefs.......makes fun of atheists" then I could see how it would be a double standard.
It's also not a double standard if you can flip it around and it's still true. You wouldn't like it if she was the our that started trying to force-feed you her religion, and you'd probably throw back in her face all the reasons why you don't believe. Does that mean that you are the one with a double standard now? No.
Buuuuut, this is r/atheism, so I'm sure you will get a lot of karma.....which is pretty ironic in itself.
[–]LouboAsyky -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 hours ago
Atheist double-standars: Takes offense if you say beliefs are wrong. Tells you that beliefs are wrong.
[–]Mosz 2 points3 points4 points 8 hours ago
atheism is not a belief
[–]communistraptor 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
Kills your people. Calls you murderer when you invade country
[–]Von_Skyhawk 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
How does this shit content keep getting upvoted in this subreddit?
[–]23Galaxy -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 hours ago
I think she's cute does anyone know who she is or have more of her
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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