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Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson crowd surfing (i.imgur.com)

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[–]mybossthinksimworkng 317 points318 points ago

Dammit Gary! We said crowd sourcing! Crowd SOURCING!!!!

[–]Schwarzy1 62 points63 points ago

Nothing screams freedom more than crowd surfing.

[–]AscentofDissent 112 points113 points ago

Do you support your candidate or do you SUPPORT YOUR CANDIDATE?

[–]WaluiJ 241 points242 points ago

Things that make an important president:

  • ability to handle the economy
  • good foreign policy
  • crowd surfing

Fuck, I'm set.

[–]jewunit 81 points82 points ago

He also summited Everest.

[–]Danieltmv 40 points41 points ago

Six weeks after breaking his leg skiing!

[–]LastRedCoat 23 points24 points ago

Now I'm worried the Sherpas just carried him the entire way.

[–]fedupwith 16 points17 points ago

He's a libertarian, he won't let ANYONE do anything for him.

[–]spatchcock 0 points1 point ago

Only with explicit consent, no coercion. Only voluntary action.

[–]Mr_Showtime 25 points26 points ago

Don't forget that he did an AMA

[–]Lemon_Tile 35 points36 points ago

He did like three AMAs

[–]linzy 41 points42 points ago

I'm not unsure that his entire campaigning strategy is to just keep doing AMAs.

[–]RestoringTheBalance 31 points32 points ago

To be fair it's working..well for me at least, I was as liberal as they come, I loved Obama but reading and learning more about libertarianism for myself and not relying on second hand opinionated information has really made me reconsider my views.. to the point that I probably now call myself one.

[–]the9trances 18 points19 points ago

Yeah, I switched over from the Democrat side too. It's been great bonding with former Republicans; a real good way to understand our entire political conversation rather than watching one side shout at the other.

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      [–]Kinglink 4 points5 points ago

      Even if the first two were important, Neither of the two major parties have it covered.

      [–]lychee-twist 0 points1 point ago

      Just because he's totally rad doesn't make him presidential!

      [–]McWut 108 points109 points ago

      Relying on people to carry you removes the incentive to walk by yourself

      [–]jscoppe 36 points37 points ago

      The only way to get people to trust in you is to trust in them.

      [–]readonlyuser 8 points9 points ago

      Just another example of moochers leeching off those who contribute to society.

      [–]gigitrix 3 points4 points ago

      The sweat trickles down.

      [–]hunkofmonk 1 point2 points ago

      what would Rand say?

      [–]Patrico-8 9 points10 points ago

      Nothing, she's dead.

      [–]endros 15 points16 points ago

      video source:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtB46-16hY&feature=youtu.be

      [–]flukz 22 points23 points ago

      I've always been curious: There are a number of Scandinavian countries that practice a type of "European Socialism" that are wealthy, healthy, well educated and have an overall high rate of "personal happiness" as indexed by some methodologies.

      Is there a Libertarian analogue in the world today?

      [–]AndAgain1 33 points34 points ago

      Hong Kong, Singapore, Estonia, Switzerland, New Zealand. Of course, these aren't completely libertarian any more than the Scandinavian countries are completely socialists.

      Btw, these socialist countries can only be socialist because they're standing on the shoulders of their capitalist history. No poor country has ever became rich through socialism. Capitalism has always preceded it.

      [–]flukz 4 points5 points ago

      Thanks! I'll have to look up how these countries rank on the few things I named as qualifiers.

      [–]el-bombero 6 points7 points ago

      Hong Kong and Singapore are both also characterized by extreme wealth disparity. Not to say that they are necessarily bad places to live or are not better than their neighbors, but just pointing that out.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

      [–]testerizer 4 points5 points ago

      I was going to say, Hong Kong has a high amount of personal happiness? Guess they were only polling the people with money...

      Or is it that Hong Kong keeps all of its poor in other areas of China? Can't remember.

      [–]ecolologist 0 points1 point ago

      They also have relatively small populations and extraordinarily poor neighboring countries. I wonder how much of the income discrepancy is from FOBs.

      [–]saosebastiao 1 point2 points ago

      If we suddenly let Hondurans migrate the US, we might have income disparity that rivals Hong Kong. Who cares? People start off at different places in life. We should measure success by the ability of people to improve their lives. People flock to Hong Kong from mainland China because they have better opportunities there.

      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 5 points6 points ago

      I know New Zealand and another country (that I can't think of right now) have libertarian systems of government... I don't know how they rank in these categories, though.

      [–]flukz 1 point2 points ago

      I don't know how they rank in these categories, though.

      Looking into that now.

      [–]Parelius 3 points4 points ago

      The short answer is no. And the long answer will eventually boil down to the fact that the whole idea behind countries and communities is that people function best when they work together, depend on each other and sacrifice some of themselves for their group.

      [–]skeeto 8 points9 points ago

      people function best when they work together, depend on each other and sacrifice some of themselves for their group.

      Your point? Libertarianism isn't against cooperation. It's against coercion.

      [–]flukz 4 points5 points ago

      I do recall sociologists expecting an every-man-for-themselves response to natural disasters and have only observed the opposite.

      There were obviously societal components (read: people) that would take advantage of the situation, but most of the time those were individuals that already did so. In effect, the bad stayed bad and the average surprised everyone.

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        [–]casadeparadise 6 points7 points ago

        Give that man a hand!

        [–]zvn 37 points38 points ago

        There are two problems really:

        1. Gary Johnson's radical budget plans are completely theoretical, and no congress would pass all of it wholesale (because getting 300 asshats to agree on anything is impossible).

        2. The reason he stands no chance of getting elected has nothing to do with his policies, but only with the inertia of a corrupt 2 party system.

        [–]toaster_waffle 19 points20 points ago

        Stupid electoral college. I am going to vote for Gary Johnson, but as someone voting in Texas, I'm basically voting for Romney just by living here.

        [–]C_T_C_C 6 points7 points ago

        This fucking pisses me off

        My county is primarily Democratic in Texas, however due to gerrymandering, this will have no effect upon the overall.

        It's almost as if I have no fucking say...

        If only we could start a revolution here and get most of the state to lean towards Gary...

        [–]Werv 2 points3 points ago

        California is same way. The farming valleys are heavily republican, but state always goes democrat.

        [–]indiefirekid 1 point2 points ago

        i'm in texas, he's got my vote.

        [–]Tokumaru 0 points1 point ago

        Another Texan, here. What are we at now, four votes? We can't need more than that! Right?

        Right guys?

        =[

        [–]Darkone06 0 points1 point ago

        Another one here and I even went to see him at UT a week ago.

        For all those saying that only White people are libertarian or go out to see him , im not white.

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          [–]Strideo 1 point2 points ago

          Same with California but just in Obama's favor.

          [–]Lilyo 0 points1 point ago

          The electoral college has little to do with this actually. It's because of our first-past-the-post voting system. It creates a 2 party system where voting 3rd party only takes away from the republican or democrat candidate you would have most likely wanted to vote for either way, so basically hurting your chances of passing any of the plans you liked the 3rd party candidate for.

          [–]toaster_waffle 1 point2 points ago

          In swing states, yes. Voting third party is a matter of drawing votes from the main parties. In Texas's case, California, and other states where it's decided already, the votes in favor of Romney or Obama (respective) are so overwhelming, that candidate will win all of the electoral votes of the state. Unless the world goes insane between now and November, no matter who I vote for (as a Texan), for all intents and purposes, my vote goes to Romney.

          [–]0ericire0 0 points1 point ago

          and the fact that he's the kind of person who crowdsurfs can have fun

          [–]chris4276 0 points1 point ago

          Illinois is a great example of gerrymandering and the whole problem. The city of chicago basically owns the votes. It doesn't matter how conservative the south it. The city of chicago will out do it.

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            [–]el-bombero 43 points44 points ago

            It's interesting to me that there is only 1 woman in this photo.

            [–]StayDilated 21 points22 points ago

            I wouldn't jump into a woman to start crowd surfing

            [–]FoxyMarc 13 points14 points ago

            I'm not sure what you tried to say, but I love it.

            [–]DaW1zard 9 points10 points ago

            If youre ever crowd surfing at a show and hit a patch of women in the crowd, youre gonna hit the ground real hard

            Source: my broken wrist

            [–]StayDilated 4 points5 points ago

            haha I totally just noticed I said "Into" instead of "Onto" like I mean't to do! hahahha fuck yeah!

            [–]Annihilia 2 points3 points ago

            fuck yeah!

            [–]acaellum 0 points1 point ago

            Fuck ya!

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              [–]MechaGodzillaSS 19 points20 points ago

              All white they are all also

              [–]tomdarch 20 points21 points ago

              I actually met a "black" Libertarian! Once... one guy... that one time...

              Do any Libertarians ever look around at a gathering of Libertarians and realize, "hey, we're basically all 'white', we're overwhelmingly male, we overwhelmingly come from the middle to upper tiers of our culture's wealth distribution. We are the people with all the advantages in our biased system, but we are calling for removing all the checks and balances that keep disadvantaged people from being totally screwed over by... well, us. Damn, we are a bunch of douchebags."

              [–]haxney 8 points9 points ago

              I'm a blackbertarian, AMA.

              [–]alsausi 6 points7 points ago

              No, no one thinks like that.

              [–]Fitzsimmons 1 point2 points ago

              I do. I'm also not a libertarian anymore.

              [–]Badwoolf 1 point2 points ago

              I'm not a white middle-class male (poor-as-fuck aboriginal girl) and I'm a libertarian socialist. That sounds like an oxymoron due to the modern American connontations with "libartarianism" (which is actually "fiscal libertarianism") but there are actually a lot of different kinds of libertarians. Libertarian Socialists believe in personal freedom without limits except when people actually cause deliberate harm or death to others, but believe that good solid social programs are the key to a healthy society. For example, the gov't should never be allowed to pass a law prohibiting anyone under the age of sixteen from using a tanning bed like the Canadian gov't just did, but they SHOULD use tax money to heavily fund healthcare, schools, ect.

              When you're trying to figure out which political party holds views that are similar to yours, it's no longer feasible to simply catagorize as "left" or "right." When it comes to political values, you need at least two scales: social and economical. Here's a quiz which places you on the spectrum.

              [–]trans1st 5 points6 points ago

              I'm a lower middle class gay libertarian. I know quite a few high level campaign staffers for the Gary Johnson campaign in the PA-WV-MD-VA region that are black. In fact, there are many women running the Johnson campaign in my region alone.

              I would also point out that the first woman, and first jewish person to ever receive an electoral vote was on the Libertarian ticket. Not to mention the libertarian movement in the United States was spearheaded by women, not men.

              [–]MechaGodzillaSS 1 point2 points ago

              Here's a partial anwser, if you're interested.

              [–]SP_icewater 3 points4 points ago

              God, what a circlejerk that was.

              [–]MechaGodzillaSS 0 points1 point ago

              Circles gonna jerk

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                [–]NeoM5 2 points3 points ago

                Salt Lake City...

                [–]BipolarBear0[S] 6 points7 points ago

                I see two in the front and one in the back taking a photo.

                Edit: Possibly another one in the back standing next to the one taking a photo.

                [–]FlameSkunk 2 points3 points ago

                At least there are a lot of other minorities.

                [–]ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 5 points6 points ago

                Agreed, in the pic there are old white people, young white people, white people with brown hair, white people with blond hair...

                [–]sociomaladaptivist 3 points4 points ago

                Why are women considered minorities? Shouldn't they represent ~50% of the population?

                [–]ASquishyJollyRancher 6 points7 points ago

                Because they are a group that has historically been marginalized. Socially, a groups status as minority doesn't necessarily refer to numbers but to their ability to control the powers that be.

                [–]PissedOffYoda 0 points1 point ago

                The percentage of Libertarians who are women approximates the percentage of hardcore video gamers who are women. Interestingly, the reasons for those small percentages are essentially the same.

                [–]SlackerZeitgeist 3 points4 points ago

                Could you provide a source for that or is that just anecdotal?

                [–]sociomaladaptivist -1 points0 points ago

                Why would he need a source? It's quite obvious that _ is a small percentage.

                [–]SlackerZeitgeist 1 point2 points ago

                He makes the claim that the percentage of female Libertarians are nearly equal to the percentage of female hardcore gamers.

                Then he makes the claim that the reasons for that are the same.

                The first claim is anecdotal, the second considerably more so.

                [–]sociomaladaptivist 0 points1 point ago

                I agree with you; I was just joking.

                Interestingly, the reasons for those small percentages are essentially the same.

                Interestingly, this guy did not even bother to identify that reason.

                [–]SlackerZeitgeist 0 points1 point ago

                Whoops, sorry. With the debates this evening, I'm not doing a good job of identifying sarcasm.

                I hope he comes around with a response. I'd like to see his reasoning on this one.

                [–]acaellum 0 points1 point ago

                Cool little fact, there are considerably more women on earth than men! Men on average live shorter natural lives, through wars into the mix and yeah.

                51% vs 49%

                Not huge in percentages but thats still a lot of people.

                [–]alcoholland 1 point2 points ago

                Also they are all white.

                [–]Serendipities 0 points1 point ago

                I suspect that's true of a lot of political conventions. It's gunna be mostly well-off white guys.

                [–]Skurvy2k 0 points1 point ago

                and what looks to be zero people other than non-white 20 something males.

                edit: clarification.

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                  [–]flfolks 12 points13 points ago

                  He has the 20 something white male bitcoiner demographic on lockdown.

                  [–]BipolarBear0[S] 3 points4 points ago

                  So all of Reddit?

                  [–]C_T_C_C 1 point2 points ago

                  Somewhat... the extremely conservative stance the libertarians hold my intimidate a number of creditors though... honestly I think if the green and libertarian parties joined forces they could annihilate the hegemony of our modern 2 party system

                  [–]Kaiuk 0 points1 point ago

                  and annihilate each other too

                  [–]adventurousideas 49 points50 points ago

                  He's got another three feet to go before his support ends.

                  [–]PartyPlatter 12 points13 points ago

                  He will hold himself up by his bootstraps.

                  [–]Werv 2 points3 points ago

                  Bravo sir bravo.

                  [–]civilengineer 1 point2 points ago

                  for those who don't have a candidate and want to vote there is Gary Johnson for everyone else there is not voting

                  [–]olort 1 point2 points ago

                  Gary Johnson opposes child labor laws.

                  [–]TheBrohemian 2 points3 points ago

                  If a teenager is willing and able to work, why shouldn't he/she be able to?

                  [–]catmoon 30 points31 points ago

                  This photo does a great job to showcase the diversity of the Libertarian movement. Sorry, I'm just a little dissapointed he skipped my question in his AMA.

                  [–]vbullinger 15 points16 points ago

                  It was in Salt Lake City.

                  [–]catmoon 14 points15 points ago

                  TIL there's only one woman for every 50 men in Salt Lake City.

                  [–]tomdarch 7 points8 points ago

                  So? If this was in the Detroit area, it would still be almost all "white" people.

                  Libertarians aren't dramatically any more specifically racist than many other groups. But they seem totally oblivious that racism and sexism really are problems, and that their calls for removing the checks and balances that help to at least partially counterbalance the racism and discrimination that occurs every day in our nation is a douche-y thing to do.

                  [–]haxney 2 points3 points ago

                  But they seem totally oblivious that racism and sexism really are problems

                  They're serious problems, no doubt, but why are the people with the guns better equipped to combat them?

                  [–]30pieces 3 points4 points ago

                  We are not racist. We believe that having the government make one group less free to make another group more "free" is morally wrong.

                  [–]yourgaybestfriend 0 points1 point ago

                  And that's happened...?

                  [–]Maticus 27 points28 points ago

                  TIL if minorities don't show up to a political event then its because everyone is racist.

                  [–]catmoon 22 points23 points ago

                  I never said anyone is a racist. On his AMA I asked what the Libertarian party can do to address its lack of diversity (it is easily the least diverse US political group [Pew poll]) and he skipped it for easier questions.

                  The obvious explanation for the lack of diversity is that minorities and women don't want to repeal the Civil Rights Act and go back to times when they had fewer rights.

                  [–]Serendipities 3 points4 points ago

                  I think part of it can be blamed on the fact that a smaller party is inherently only going to pick up people who do their research. This means people with the time & money to go out and learn about a niche party. The people who have the most time & money right now? White dudes.

                  I'm sure there are more contributing factors than that, but it's something to consider.

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                    [–]Maticus 12 points13 points ago

                    Obama has deported more Hispanics than any other president. Romney will continue the policy and will not support the dream act.

                    Johnson is in favor of easing immigration restrictions.

                    Just because no minorities show up for his rally doesn't mean he is racist.

                    [–]catmoon 8 points9 points ago

                    Just because no minorities show up for his rally doesn't mean he is racist.

                    I never said he was racist. His policies will never garner support from minorities though.

                    Being half-hispanic, I appreciate progressive federal policies. States continued to suppress interracial marriage until 1967 when the federal government stepped in [Loving v. Virginia]. My parents can both remember times when it was technically illegal for them to have been married. Racism won't just go away if we ignore it. It needs to be addressed directly and explicitly by the government.

                    [–]bijan4187 14 points15 points ago

                    Hi, I'm from Iran, I also like gj because he won't bomb my homeland, neither dems or repubs will promise that. Are Persians considered a minority?

                    [–]catmoon 6 points7 points ago

                    Without the Civil Rights Act in place there are plenty of businesses in the US that would not otherwise admit or employ Persians or many other people based on their ethincity/race. The Libertarian Party wishes to end that protection.

                    [–]the9trances 4 points5 points ago

                    I like how you're equating going to war with a sovereign nation and killing its citizens with the CRA.

                    Johnson hasn't mentioned the CRA and I doubt he holds any malice towards it. I can't imagine anyone seriously trying to repeal it; it'd be political suicide and overwhelmingly defeated. Even if Johnson was against the CRA (which he isn't), his opposition to baseless wars is a net gain.

                    [–]shiskabobtron 0 points1 point ago

                    If you honestly think there is even a single company in the United States that is being forced to employ a minority that the CEO/people in charge don't want to employ, you're extremely naive. All you have to do is make up a different reason other than "I don't like [insert minority here]".

                    It's a completely unenforceable type of law unless you start demanding every company to meet quotas, which is even more fucked up. The Civil Rights act is no longer doing shit today. The only difference if it dissapeared would be companies would be ABLE to say "We don't want to hire you because you're persian" instead of making up a bullshit reason. Any company that would do this however, would be publicly crucified and die.

                    tl;dr: the civil rights act isn't doing ANYTHING in contemporary society and unless you start demanding racial/ethnic quotas for companies (which is obviously a very bad and immoral idea), you can't force companies to hire people they don't want to hire, for really any reason at all.

                    [–]bijan4187 0 points1 point ago

                    aaaand nobody would shop at those places. look at the incredible amount of pressure thats happening to chick fil a right now. guarantee that their position on gay marriage is hurting their business. also, you have to pick and choose what issues are MOST important to YOU. ndaa, the drug war, the fed, patriot act, more wars in the middle east, etc...these are things that are important to ME. i dont understand the vitriol that comes from the left concerning libertarians, we basically agree on 60% of everything.

                    [–]catmoon 5 points6 points ago

                    aaaand nobody would shop at those places.

                    You have a much more optimistic opinion of your fellow citizens than I do.

                    i dont understand the vitriol that comes from the left concerning libertarians, we basically agree on 60% of everything.

                    The problem is that we agree on the things that everyone should agree on. Those are obvious issues that any level-headed person should be able to understand how we've failed in the past and how not to repeat past mistakes.

                    Where we disagree is on the fundamental purpose of government. That seems pretty important. As a progressive liberal, to me the purpose of the government is 1) to protect all citizens from domestic and foreign harm or supression; 2) to coordinate common infrastructure projects (roads, communication, health care) for things that may be more effectively delivered or are beyond the scope of private enterprise; and 3) to regulate the actions of individuals and companies to prevent forseeable harm from occuring.

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                        [–]haprdgn 0 points1 point ago

                        It's kind of ambiguous, but we kind of see them as white.

                        [–]bijan4187 0 points1 point ago

                        well, we're technically aryan, but i have the complexion of a hispanic person.

                        [–]Maticus 9 points10 points ago

                        Well Johnson supported same sex marriages before Obama did so you should keep that in mind. Furthermore Johnson supports a constitutional amendment that protects same sex marriage while Obama wants to leave it up to the states.

                        Also Obama has deported more Hispanics than another president in history. Also Johnson wants to defund the Mexican drug cartels.

                        [–]the9trances 2 points3 points ago

                        I don't understand why you're getting downvoted. Your comments are factually true. It doesn't matter whether or not people agree with them.

                        [–]catmoon 2 points3 points ago

                        I'm not saying that Johnson's intent is bad. He demonstrates respect and fairness to people of all different types. I still don't consider it a virtue that his party would open up the doors--which only closed recently--towards discrimination for everyone else, offering no support for easily disenfranchised minorities.

                        [–]TappedOut 7 points8 points ago

                        I'm not sure you understand his positions. Your example (illegal interracial marriage) is something absolutely the federal government should be involved in. Johnson things gay marriage should be guaranteed by the federal government - Obama wants to leave it to the states and Romney has his head all the way up his ass. In contrast to Obama/Romney, Johnson thinks the border wall is stupid. And one of the best things the government can do for minorities is stop throwing them in jail for drug crimes.

                        [–]catmoon 9 points10 points ago

                        Actually, the prevailing Libertarian opinion on this is that no government should have any say for or against who gets married. A church can decide if they want to marry two men or not. If you look at the Pew Poll I cited [link] 45% of Libertarians oppose legalizing gay marriage and 43% are for it.

                        Gary Johnson does go against the party line on a few matters. He's a bit more pragmatic than the idealists in the party. He is also pro-choice which is by no means a decided platform among Libertarians (38% oppose legal abortion, 58% support it).

                        [–]Serendipities 1 point2 points ago

                        Right, but that means there will be churches (or other organizations, I don't think it would be limited) who are willing to marry gay people. It essentially opens it right up, because it's up to each individual place. It's also just a ceremony - a "marriage" does not come with a set of rights and privileges.

                        So sure, they may not be for gay marriage overwhelmingly, but it's because they don't think the gov. should be handing out rewards for partnering up.

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                            [–]Darkone06 0 points1 point ago

                            Im Hispanic but I noticed I there were next to no Hispanics when I saw him speak at UT a week ago. There were a crowd of Asians and some people from Iran that supported him at the event. Not everyone that supports this party is white but it is an uphill battle since the Hispanic news outlets rely so much on English tv to set the agenda for them.

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                              [–]0mega9401 15 points16 points ago

                              oh wow a candidate that actually sounds and acts like a human being. for the love of god he might even drink water and breathe air!

                              [–]MrF33 5 points6 points ago

                              Yeah, because nothing says prepared to engage in world politics in the most powerful position on Earth like impressing a bunch of disenchanted college students and highschoolers

                              [–]nomnomcookies 5 points6 points ago

                              Gary Johnson's political background consists of a lot more than impressing the youth of America.

                              [–]chriswieland 5 points6 points ago

                              Truth. He has also impressed stoners, conspiracy theorists and objectivists.

                              [–]ghrent 5 points6 points ago

                              And a majority of New Mexico. Twice.

                              [–]shiskabobtron 2 points3 points ago

                              But he's not Obama! So he's Hitler. Learn to logic, idiot!

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                                [–]0mega9401 1 point2 points ago

                                yea why cant someone appeal to a large group of people...are these students not voters too? do their opinions not count? so he lets lose once in a while, its not like any other president has been known for that...

                                [–]gobacktozzz 4 points5 points ago

                                Republican and democrats can't do this because their voters are all too old.

                                [–]HiFiWiFiSciFi 3 points4 points ago

                                Pretty powerful metaphor.

                                [–]Lemelak 2 points3 points ago

                                I have to say, I love this guy. "Fuck it, I'm not going to win anyways. Might as well have some fun with it!"

                                [–]mush01 0 points1 point ago

                                Those hands aren't invisible

                                [–]scabbymonkey 9 points10 points ago

                                I may just show up to vote ..... Always hate that I either have to choose between a douchbag or a shit sandwich in voting . We really don't have a option for true democracy. We have a option to choose between two bad choices or nothing.

                                [–]redpoint13 13 points14 points ago

                                Eh.. I probably agree with Gary 90%, Obama 75%, and Romney 5%. It's not quite south park bad.

                                [–]C_T_C_C 0 points1 point ago

                                What about the green party?

                                [–]redpoint13 2 points3 points ago

                                What about it? I'd sure love the way our votes are counted to change so that I could feel comfortable voting for a party that ultimately, at this stage, has no chance of getting a voice.

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                                    [–]madsell 5 points6 points ago

                                    awww, i wish he was president.

                                    [–]majones7030 3 points4 points ago

                                    Let me know if this is crazy, but I feel the only way we libertarians can be an important party is to vote for him. Even if we most likley loose, a first step is still a step.

                                    [–]veidt_co 3 points4 points ago

                                    The crazy part of our election system is that a candidate or party can't receive federal campaign funds unless they receive a certain level of popular support on the previous election. So every election where people don't vote for the candidate you really want, they not only hurt themselves this cycle, but they make things worse for next cycle.

                                    [–]CheesewithWhine 4 points5 points ago

                                    I laughed out loud when I saw that they were pretty much all 20 something white males.

                                    [–]flashfire97 4 points5 points ago

                                    PUT THIS MAN IN OFFICE

                                    [–]Warkitz 1 point2 points ago

                                    Gary... not talked about by any news show, fake or real. I just might vote for Gary.

                                    [–]ttnorac 3 points4 points ago

                                    I'm going Gary Johnson or Ron Paul for sure.

                                    I can't stand Obama or Romney.

                                    [–]ZedsBread 13 points14 points ago

                                    Ron Paul's not running. Vote for Johnson.

                                    [–]92235 1 point2 points ago

                                    Please look into Gary Johnson. There is no reason to vote for Ron Paul. Wait till next cycle and then vote for Paul in the primaries.

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                                      [–]I_Saw_Drones 2 points3 points ago

                                      Meet your new Ron Paul. Coming soon to a front page near you.... now.

                                      [–]fykusfire 1 point2 points ago

                                      He makes me glad I always vote straight ticket Libertarian. GJ2012

                                      [–]alsoGoatfoot 3 points4 points ago

                                      The man just keeps on giving me reasons to vote for him. GJ2012!

                                      [–]nomlah -2 points-1 points ago

                                      If he's truly libertarian, shouldn't he believe in crowd surfing with out the aid of others?

                                      [–]trans1st 5 points6 points ago

                                      That's a false understanding of libertarianism. Libertarians are not against cooperation or collaboration, they are against coercion. They are voluntaryists. The people here voluntarily participated in this crowd surf.

                                      [–]borkborkbork -5 points-4 points ago

                                      This guy must love these Libertarian crowds. It's probably the only time he's not the craziest person in the room.

                                      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 7 points8 points ago

                                      I've met him, he's perfectly sane. You may disagree with his political views, but that doesn't mean he is crazy.

                                      [–]borkborkbork -2 points-1 points ago

                                      Yes. The Libertarian platform isn't crazy because there are parts of it I disagree with. It's crazy because it's crazy.

                                      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 4 points5 points ago

                                      You may disagree with parts of it. You may disagree with all of it. Hell, maybe you're right, and the libertarian platform may not be effective in this nation at current. But that does not mean that it is a crazy platform. It is a political philosophy, just like liberalism, or statism, or anarchism, or even fascism. Some work better than others, but there is not one philosophy that is perfect in every situation.

                                      [–]haxney 0 points1 point ago

                                      Some work better than others

                                      And different philosophies have different definitions of "work."

                                      TL;DR nobody agrees about what they don't agree about.

                                      [–]TappedOut 4 points5 points ago

                                      But consistently running trillion dollar deficits and thinking there's not going to be a reckoning - that's perfectly sane.

                                      [–]borkborkbork 0 points1 point ago

                                      That's not the crazy part of the platform. That's just recognition of an obvious problem about which there is no disagreement anywhere on the political spectrum.

                                      [–]pedalhead666 1 point2 points ago

                                      one does not crowd surf in a suit

                                      [–]charlesgrrr 0 points1 point ago

                                      I think that's called Meetup surfing.

                                      [–]KatuluMaster 0 points1 point ago

                                      Omg that is fucking cool. I've always wanted to crowd surf but I'm too scared of people grabbing my shit.

                                      [–]sirwatermelon 1 point2 points ago

                                      Am I the only one that remembers when Michael Moore was offering the endorsement of his show, The Awful Truth, to any candidate that would jump into his mobile mosh pit?

                                      Linkie

                                      [–]MORSAL 0 points1 point ago

                                      He should definitely show up to a random Obama/Romeny debate like this.

                                      [–]vamub -1 points0 points ago

                                      Do you think he did it because he finally got enough people in the room?

                                      [–]SexySatan -1 points0 points ago

                                      I know nothing of this man's policy but I want to vote for him.

                                      [–]idogiam285 0 points1 point ago

                                      This is why I am voting Libertarian.

                                      [–]Jedimasterjohns 0 points1 point ago

                                      I was over here when it happened last night. People were asking questions until somebody finally asked, could you go crowd surfing?

                                      [–]carbonstallion 0 points1 point ago

                                      Of all people to crowdsurf, a libertarian...?

                                      [–]Lilyo 2 points3 points ago

                                      Aren't Libertarians basically socially liberal republicans?

                                      [–]exteras 0 points1 point ago

                                      But what is a Republican? By classic definition, they are fiscally conservative, but that hasn't been true for 20 years and certainly wouldn't be true under Romney.

                                      Libertarians are socially liberal / fiscally conservative. Republicans are socially conservative / fiscally liberal. Democrats are socially liberal / fiscally liberal. If you consider that definition correct, they are the exact opposite of Republican.

                                      [–]Lilyo 0 points1 point ago

                                      I would say republicans are still fiscally conservative though.

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                                        [–]amosh 0 points1 point ago

                                        If only we could find a way to harness the sheer amount of crazy in that room into energy, we'd be able to power the entire world for a century.

                                        [–]Skurvy2k 1 point2 points ago

                                        white college age males...that seems about right.

                                        [–]Quothefool 0 points1 point ago

                                        ....as a presidential candidate....seems like a great way to get stabbed....

                                        [–]when_to_die 0 points1 point ago

                                        fuckin gary johnson. go bro go. no chance but fuck it. you fuckin awesome man.

                                        [–]TeeMoch 0 points1 point ago

                                        He's just celebrating for not getting sued

                                        [–]contrary_stereo -1 points0 points ago

                                        Relaxing on top of others' hard work. Not exactly a model Libertarian.

                                        [–]captaincous 0 points1 point ago

                                        Goddammit, that's why I'm voting for this guy.

                                        [–]Melnorme 1 point2 points ago

                                        That's just before he cut 43% of the crowdsurf budget and promptly fell to the floor.

                                        [–]HillaryCunton -1 points0 points ago

                                        FUCK NO! HE IS TRYING TO BE THE COOL GUY CANDIDATE, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT BARACK OBAMA IS THE COOL GUY CANDIDATE! HE MUST BE DISQUALIFIED IMMDIATELY!

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