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Gary Johnson crowd surfing (i.imgur.com)

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[–]apsalarshade 75 points76 points ago

The secret service would go insane if this man was president!

[–]KerrickLong 75 points76 points ago

He'd probably make it a game to lose the Secret Service. "What's that? You can't climb this mountain as fast as I can? I sure as hell won't slow down!"

[–]Pilotted 68 points69 points ago

PEDAL FASTER YOU PANSYS. THERES ONLY 6,000 MORE MILES TO FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!

American Flag in hand and all.

[–]alwaysf0rgetpassw0rd 22 points23 points ago

This made me giggle like an anime schoolgirl. What have you done to me? I don't deserve this beard.

[–]Ewarrior190 3 points4 points ago

Someone PLEASE create this image.

[–]MajesticManson -5 points-4 points ago

He'd have to appoint Chuck Norris as Head of the Secret Service just to have someone keep up with him.

[–]thatguyjustin 26 points27 points ago

Too bad Chuck is a tea bagger neo conservative bastard.

[–]IronRedSix 21 points22 points ago

Also a bit of a theocrat. Loved him some Santorum.

[–]bantam83 4 points5 points ago

Who doesn't love santorum? Maybe if you're not into messy anal sex I guess.

[–]thatguyjustin 0 points1 point ago

And his commercial with his wife about Obama taking us to socialism. HA! That's rich. I'm an anarcho-syndicalist (libertarian socialist essentially) and I am here to tell you that Obama is not a socialist. Not in the least bit lol.

[–]cattreeinyoursoul 0 points1 point ago

Are you calling Chuck Norris a liar?! Thems fightin' words!

[–]7Redacted 0 points1 point ago

Actually he endorsed Ron Paul for 2012. Pretty decent, if we can pretend that whole Huckabee thing never happened in '08.

[–]thatguyjustin 0 points1 point ago

I read that he endorsed Gingrich if I'm not mistaken.

[–]Malizulu 4 points5 points ago

He's one of the only candidates who could disband them and be guarded by the people.

[–]92235[S] 4 points5 points ago

I know I was carrying when I was there.

[–]ZoidbergXen 2 points3 points ago

My 1st thought when I saw this!

[–]goans314 68 points69 points ago

I've always said GJ was a rockstar

[–]PoliticalEnt 14 points15 points ago

Piggybacking top post.

I created an album of what I can find at:

http://imgur.com/a/MEXLf

they are posted here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/10v4wm/libertarian_presidential_candidate_gary_johnson/

Cheers.

[–]the_zercher 4 points5 points ago

Video I took:

http://youtu.be/JphCrHcaOg4

[–]ballsofgraphene 46 points47 points ago

the things i would do to be under gary johnson.

edit: wait wat.

[–]Wegg 9 points10 points ago

I was one of the guys under him. I won't lie. It was awesome. ;-)

[–]seeg6 22 points23 points ago

"I'd like to have a beer with that guy."

[–]Helassaid 8 points9 points ago

I would brew beer for that man.

[–]cattreeinyoursoul 5 points6 points ago

Too bad he doesn't drink. And no longer smokes.

You could go for a nice hike.

[–]youreadaisyifyoudo 43 points44 points ago

i want that guy to be president so bad.

[–]joi4peace 24 points25 points ago

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jXux37wzQeQ

[–]dpd888 7 points8 points ago

Thank you for the excellent video. I was watching the town hall streaming online this evening, and I heard the announcer and a couple advisers telling (begging) him not to do it just before he did it.

[–]Wegg 3 points4 points ago

Hey you can see me! I was wearing a lighter blue shirt. :-)

[–]ANNtast1c 12 points13 points ago

If this isn't definite proof that Gary Johnson is a badass, I don't know what is.

[–]Chief-Slap-A-Ho 33 points34 points ago

As if I wasn't going to vote for him before

[–]Fuckyousantorum 40 points41 points ago

I thought libertarians didn't like relying on others for support? (Joke!)

[–]insideman83 43 points44 points ago

They're okay with it if that support is voluntary, which in this case it is!

[–]jscoppe 18 points19 points ago

I think there were a couple of free riders not helping! What if Gary had fallen?! We need a government to punish them!

[–]muus 5 points6 points ago

That's just idealistic gobbledigook.

[–]trout007 2 points3 points ago

I never understood why people can't grasp that libertarianism isn't about not relying on others. It is that you can't force others to support you. Can you see the difference?

[–]7Redacted 2 points3 points ago

The guy was kidding.

[–]trout007 2 points3 points ago

I know. I was making a general statement.

[–]MattBarnthouse 10 points11 points ago

If Johnson doesn't win, can the president make GJ "Secretary of kicking ass"?

[–]Dinosaurman 0 points1 point ago

Thats not very small government of you... (Smily face to show I am playfully kidding, and not an angry neckbeard)

[–]xampl9 16 points17 points ago

Our candidate is cooler than your candidate.

[–]skiierman 8 points9 points ago

Interesting town hall.

Not gonna lie, that question person 2nd to the end seemed dangerously close to a white supremacist.

I did find it kind of funny how he said he didn't bring up Marijuana or dwell on it that much... As he was standing in front of a legalize it banner. Overall I did like his response to that question.

I still like the guy and he will be getting my vote. Not that it matters in this state.

[–]the_zercher 2 points3 points ago

That one lady who went on and on about the millenials... and how his aura was white, and the millenials... Oh man what a bizarre question. I started the second or third cheer to try and get her off the mic.

[–]silly_walks_ 25 points26 points ago

Serious question: do any of you think it's strange that 99% of the people in this photo are young white men?

Am I wrong to assume that libertarians draw the majority of their support from this group?

Please do not just downvote -- looking for a serious answer, and not just anecdotal "evidence" (i.e. "I'm a young white woman and I support GJ, therefore your argument in invalid).

Thank you.

[–]jimbo21 35 points36 points ago

Well, to be fair, the event was in Salt Lake City, so you're pulling from an overall demographic that's not exactly known for its diversity.

[–]ShellInTheGhost 12 points13 points ago

I was in SLC for the last 2 weeks and didn't see a single black or hispanic...I think I saw one Asian

[–]jimbo21 2 points3 points ago

They put all the minorities over in West Valley so the church doesn't have to look at them.

Surprisingly, there is some very good mexican food in the area if you know where to look.

[–]zxcv73 3 points4 points ago

Who's they, and how are they doing this?

[–]mego 3 points4 points ago

They are - a combination of factors such as housing development, affordability, and de facto segregation. People willingly divide themselves based on social support, social norms, and political ideology.

[–]zxcv73 0 points1 point ago

Maybe so, but that's not really a "they," and I doubt that's what he meant.

[–]jimbo21 0 points1 point ago

http://i.imgur.com/DL1LX.jpg

But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a result of historical segregation like a lot of other cities (Austin comes to mind).

Just found this article which is an interesting read: http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/thecivilrightsmovementinutah.html

[–]ShellInTheGhost 0 points1 point ago

I'm from Texas so I have a pretty high standard, and SLC did infact have surprisingly great mexican food

[–]cattreeinyoursoul 0 points1 point ago

Weird. Here in CA, if you are more than 200 miles from the border, it is really hard to find good Mexican food--even in places with a large Mexican population.

[–]danvar81 11 points12 points ago

I was at this event and I think I was the only non-white person there haha

[–]zxcv73 2 points3 points ago

Were you one of the 3-4 Asian chicks?

[–]danvar81 1 point2 points ago

Nah, I'm a Persian dude.

[–]john2kxx 9 points10 points ago

Not at all. Try looking at people as individuals, rather than groups. It makes life so much better.

[–]DUI_with_kids_in_car 16 points17 points ago

I think you're right that libertarians tend to be whiter than average, while democrats tend to be browner and more feminine than average, and greens tend to be strongly feminist. I'm not sure why though. Libertarians preach ideas like self-ownership and consent, and then apply it to real world scenarios, which should appeal to any gender or race. In many cases, libertarians have gotten social and equality issues right since the party's founding, like gay rights, that Dems and Repubs still waffle on, yet we don't get the gay support either.

[–]PasDeDeux 12 points13 points ago

The problem is marketing. So many Libertarians spend their time talking about why welfare is bad that we lose "liberals". Republicans are too preoccupied with screwing the "gays and the druggies" that we lose them.

A politically savvy libertarian party would focus on the "liberal" social problems first and other relatively well supported issues like ending the wars. Difficult issues include finding a rational compromise on a fiscally appropriate healthcare and welfare safety net program, which the poor, most of the volatile middle class, and liberal rich people are all interested in. Fair tax is a good step forward.

[–]rcglinsk 4 points5 points ago

The Democrats present themselves as the party of minority rights, or at least they did for about 30-40 years. If you spend a long time trying to woo certain demographics, and then you succeed, there shouldn't be much of a reason for third parties to be confused about what happened.

[–]chiguy 0 points1 point ago

granted, Libertarians want to do away with laws like "equal pay for equal work," which most women likely support.

Also, RP, as the face of libertarianism, states he wants government out of marriage, which is a much more difficult approach than simply saying that gays should have the same marriage rights as straights. Sure, getting gov out of marriage is more noble in a libertarian sense, there is absolutely no way that is going to happen within the next 30 years, if ever. Thus, that policy doesn't help gays who are denied rights currently.

[–]cattreeinyoursoul 1 point2 points ago

But Johnson wants equal marriage rights for gays. He said that before Obama did.

[–]chiguy 0 points1 point ago

yes, but his end goal is near impossible, whereas Obama's goal is politically feasible in our lifetime.

[–]7Redacted 0 points1 point ago

Obama's goal is to make it a States right issue. Mission Accomplished.

Johnson wants it to be a federally protected right. Which would be pretty achievable if he got the presidency (that part, of course, isn't). There are 2 supreme court seats up for grabs this time around.

[–]imabigdumbidiot 12 points13 points ago

That's a mostly true statement. But all candidates have a main demographic. Obama has 99% of the black vote. Romney has rich white old people and homophobes. Gary, just like most libertarian candidates pull a younger crowd, and since most black people gravitate towards obama they end up being white. Also this is a severe generalization, but it seems men can be more outspoken than women especially in politics, so at a convention you'd expect to see more men up front than women. That being said I spotted 2 women and a white haired guy in this photo, so there is support from all over, but yes, there is definitely a majority of young whites.

[–]silly_walks_ 11 points12 points ago

I don't think that's a fair comparison -- Obama may have 99% of the black vote, but the majority of his supporters are not black (they are only 13% of the population). What I'm asking is if the majority of Johnson's (and Ron Paul's) backers are young white men.

According to this article from the Pew Research center, people identifying as Libertarian:

  • are overwhelmingly male (67%)
  • are overwhelmingly white (85%)
  • have attended at least some college (70%)
  • are split somewhat evenly along the age spectrum
  • have the highest employment percentages (67%)
  • earn the highest incomes (39% over 75K)
  • do not support the Tea Party (44%)
  • are actually split (43% to 45%) on the issue of gay marriage

According to this study, at least, it's fair to say that libertarians are whiter, male-er, more educated, earn higher incomes, and are "more employed" (all indications that they belong to the upper classes) than the rest of the population.

I also want to point out that this is not a value judgment. I am just reporting the facts. I personally do not care, at all, why libertarians believe what they believe, or what accounts for the discrepancy between their political affiliations and the country's population demographics. I was merely curious as to why everyone at this political rally looked the same.

The best explanation I have heard was that the event took place in Salt Lake City (75% white), but that still doesn't explain why there are mostly young men in the photo. The Pew Research does.

[–]Lucky_Mongoose 15 points16 points ago

The gay marriage split is surprising to me (non-libertarian here). Without seeing the wording of the question, maybe those who disagree only do so because they disagree with all government-overseen marriage?

[–]barbecue_scotch 9 points10 points ago

I think the wording of the question would be very important for the Libertarian crowd. I'm curious what the exact question was.

[–]LockeAndKeyes 5 points6 points ago

Shocked me too, but as far as I can think of it:

If the government forces a law saying all churches are bound to support gay marriage, it would be an atrocious grievance against all supporters of religious freedom. Then again, if government banned any church from doing it, it would also be a large violation of it.

If the question was "Should we ban the need for government license to acquire marriage status, meanwhile eliminating the benefits of marriage status" I'm certain most of us would say yes. Feel free to correct me on that though if I'm the only one who supports that.

[–]badbillsvc 1 point2 points ago

That is my standpoint. There is way bigger fish for the government to fry. It should be a decision of the person doing the marriage, not a decision at such a high level.

[–]TheNev 0 points1 point ago

There are people out there that claim to be libertarian and think gay marriage whaargarbl. However, we know these aren't real libertarians. I have two radio hosts in my area that claim up and down to be libertarians, but want a war with Iraq so bad, they'd probably vote for Obama to get one.

These anomalies do not constitute 45% though.

I'd like to take a look at the question.

[–]imabigdumbidiot 3 points4 points ago

Nice on the facts. I find it interesting that the age demographic is pretty evenly spread out. Also whose identifying as libertarian but against gay marriage? Do you think those are the people that believe marriage shouldn't be in the constitution and they just grouped them with "against?" I find a lot of people incorrectly portray some candidates beliefs by skewing the facts like this. Yeah saying Obama's demographic is black is incorrect, so sorry about that, but it would be safe to say that since 99% of black people will be voting for Obama, there won't be many for other candidates, hence the lack of black at this convention. Also good call on being in a mostly white area.

[–]misterdoctorproff 2 points3 points ago

So why are you asking a question you think you already have the answer to?

[–]silly_walks_ 1 point2 points ago

That was not my intent. But did you see what kind of answers I was getting? Almost all of them were arguments from personal experience or purely anecdotal. I was disappointed so I decided to just do the research myself.

I found the Pew Research, but I'm still curious if there is good evidence to suggest their findings are wrong. If you can find anything, please contribute.

[–]relemhcs 2 points3 points ago

What are your motives here?

You're not going to have much luck bringing up collectivist viewpoints in a libertarian forum (libertarians identifying as the opposite of collectivists).

People can talk about how libertarians are spoiled white males all day long but the simple fact is, libertarians don't care, and just look stupid when they try to talk about such things.

I'm an individualist. I don't like race demographics being used for ANYTHING, it grosses me out. When people start citing demographics and race statistics, something deep inside me gets physically repulsed.

[–]imabigdumbidiot 1 point2 points ago

yeah, I used anecdotal evidence. Sorry, I was waiting for a train and on my phone. Good job on the research though, I was happy to find some solid info when I returned to a computer.

[–]0zXp1r8HEcJk1 1 point2 points ago

It's a simple issue of incentives.

Successful people have the least to risk by reducing the size of government. It takes much more strength to advocate for the elimination of programs that are currently feeding your family, than to advocate for the elimination of programs that are taking money out of your paycheck.

[–]veritaze 0 points1 point ago

How much of the US population is "black"?

Also, what percentage of those end up in mosh pits and the like?

o/t:

"Admins have informed /r/libertarian that the ban on reason.com has been lifted" huh?

[–]Vilvos 3 points4 points ago

But all candidates have a main demographic. Obama has 99% of the black vote.

But that's not Obama's main demographic; he also attracts Hispanic voters, white voters, etc. Libertarian candidates seem to only attract young, white males; if you take that demographic away from Johnson (or any libertarian candidate, e.g., Ron Paul), you aren't left with much.

[–]imabigdumbidiot 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, you're right about them not being Obama's main demographic, but Obama still pulls large numbers from that demographic, which leaves a super slim pie slice for other candidates. So while Obama's entire voting base isn't black, there aren't many blacks voting for other people, so they wouldn't be at a Johnson rally. I think that's what I meant even though it reads like only black people are voting for Obama. That wasn't my intention.

[–]rcglinsk 1 point2 points ago

The better question is why does Obama have trouble getting the votes of young white men? What is it about his policies and Johnson's that cause that demographic to choose Johnson over him. Is Obama not reaching out to them? Etc.

[–]Vilvos 1 point2 points ago

The better question is why does Obama have trouble getting the votes of young white men?

Uh, he doesn't; he's getting a smaller piece of the young, white, male (and historically conservative) pie this election, but a majority of that demographic still supports him.

[–]rcglinsk 2 points3 points ago

I should have researched a bit before I spoke.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-youth-poll-20120928,0,6803151.story

Obama’s support is down among young whites. White voters younger than 30 are evenly split, 47 percent to 47 percent, between Obama and Romney, Pew found. In 2008, Obama held a 10-point advantage over John McCain in that age group. Largely as a consequence of that drop, the president’s lead over Romney among all voters in the 18-29 age bracket is smaller (by 7 percentage points) than his 2008 margin.

So yeah, the interesting question is why the drop in support.

Edit: half a guess: The reality that in 2008 he was lying about his position on medical marijuanna.

[–]chiguy 0 points1 point ago

So yeah, the interesting question is why the drop in support.

Because Romney isn't 238 years old and doesn't have a ridiculous woman as VP?

[–]Wegg 0 points1 point ago

There are a lot of amazing libertarian women in Utah.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ABillyRock http://www.facebook.com/Brittthewit http://www.facebook.com/darcy.vanorden

And a bunch of others who have less public personalities but show up regularly.

And the room than night was probably. . . ohh. . . maybe 20% women?

[–]imkaneforever 1 point2 points ago

White male here, I do believe your statement is valid - not strange. I think the general view of Libertarianism is of a 'conservative' value, which is moderately true, which a lot of people feel conservatives are out of touch which draws the line for them. They don't go out and research the philosophy nor even tolerate discussion of it because they feel as if they know about it in its entirety. I'm hopeful that the party will begin to gain a lot of other demographics when they realize that we're not the neo-cons they're against and that we're equally against them.

[–]rcglinsk 1 point2 points ago

You sir are a racist:)

[–]Iriestx -1 points0 points ago

Yeah, why don't any of the blacks support Gary Johnson?

[–]cozzbp 3 points4 points ago

Was this in SLC? I was there, but had to leave early.

[–]skiierman 2 points3 points ago

Yes it was

[–]BipolarBear0 4 points5 points ago

I'm going to repost this to /r/pics, I hope that's okay. If it's not, just message me and I'll remove it.

Edit: The link.

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/10vmuk/libertarian_presidential_candidate_gary_johnson/

[–]anothershittyuser 3 points4 points ago

Can't wait! He'll be in Cincy OH on Friday. Going to see him at UC

[–]r2deetard 0 points1 point ago

Im in the Cinci area (NKY) and had no idea! Thanks for telling me, and i'll see you there!

[–]FrostyCow 0 points1 point ago

Anyone else notice how there's only one woman in the crowd? I wonder why the Libertarian rallies, and party in general, is mostly made up of men.

[–]howiehardcore 1 point2 points ago

This might help explain: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444358804578016291138331904.html

[–]E7ernal 2 points3 points ago

Alright, there's an imgur post I'll upvote.

[–]zombiehorse -1 points0 points ago

Was this at Macalester College by any chance?

[–]nfo1776 1 point2 points ago

Even if the U.S.S.S. didn't interfere, I doubt Romney or Obama would do this!

[–]USGunner 1 point2 points ago

He's got my vote

[–]Vee_Vee -1 points0 points ago

so much homoertic in this photo.

[–]howiehardcore 1 point2 points ago

This is exactly how I want the President to behave ...seriously.

[–]StayDilated 0 points1 point ago

Comon lighten up dude

[–]dereistic 0 points1 point ago

One of the many reasons I will be voting Libertarian this year.

[–]StayDilated 0 points1 point ago

haha this is actually really funny!

[–]Ukazi2021 0 points1 point ago

Gary Johnson doesn't crowd surf. He crowd planks.

[–]r2deetard 1 point2 points ago

Are there any celebrities that we know of who support johnson? It would be great for his campaign to be endorsed by a big name in Hollywood. We need to get this guy to the white house!

[–]TortoiseDream 0 points1 point ago

Haha, very cool.

[–]Erin_Sucks 1 point2 points ago

Pretty accurate male:female proportion of Libertarians ;)

[–]robpbb 0 points1 point ago

I think Johnson may have become my new favorite politician.

[–]imkaneforever 1 point2 points ago

I now undoubtedly believe that he would crowd surf after a bad ass answer during the debates leaving Obama and Rmoney at the podium sitting their with their stupid ass smiles. Surely, Obama would say something witty. But Rmoney would make a little half assed chuckle then do his stupid grin and shake his head and raise his eye brows. The crowd would then go wild with Gary Johnson blissfully going around the room with the willingness of the crowd then back on stage to resume providing controversial discussion.

Too bad the two party system is a prostitute.

[–]anonymau5 1 point2 points ago

"...AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE BACK THE WHITEHOUSE... YEAAAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGHHHH!!!"

[–]ControlThem 0 points1 point ago

This is insightful because this is how politicians will travel in 2 years.

[–]mamapycb 0 points1 point ago

Finally a presidential candidate that trust the American people!

[–]sidewalkchalked -5 points-4 points ago

Can we please not become like /r/politics?

This is just propaganda. This says nothing about the man's policies, this is NOT a reason to vote for him. This is a picture of him being "cool guy". The comments thus far are circle-jerky, implying that his "coolness" is a reason to vote for him.

If pictures of Obama playing basketball are objectionable (which to me, they are, since anyone can play ball, but not everyone orders hundreds of drone strikes against civilians) then this is objectionable as well.

We are NOT going to get anywhere through traditional "branding" and propaganda.

We ARE going to get somewhere by discussing REAL ISSUES of life and death upon which Johnson's IDEAS are better.

Downvoted.

[–]zybthranger 10 points11 points ago

I think there's enough discussion of his policies on /r/libertarian and /r/GaryJohnson that a crowd surfing break is warranted.

[–]grimm22 10 points11 points ago

http://i.imgur.com/OkYE9.jpg

[–]sidewalkchalked 4 points5 points ago

Who authorized the display of robot pictures? I'm reporting this to the higher-ups.

[–]Bit_Chewy -4 points-3 points ago

Why can't he learn to stand on his own two feet?

[–]heyfella -2 points-1 points ago

ITT- trying too hard.

[–]wtfmanquestionmark -3 points-2 points ago

Well that just got really lame.

[–]prnandhomeless -4 points-3 points ago

If Barack Obama was in a picture crowd surfing, this subreddit would start screaming about how he shouldn't be doing useless shit like this and should be doing his job (according to your standards of course).

It's like when Obama did the AMA and didn't answer hard questions and was hammered here, but Gary Johnson didn't answer the campaign finance/ad campaign questions from his last AMA and it was pretty much ignored here.

[–]zxcv73 0 points1 point ago

That's like saying 'if Obama didn't order drone strikes and raids on legal marijuana dispensaries.' That just isn't going to happen. Obama will never crowd serf.

[–]prnandhomeless 0 points1 point ago

That's like saying 'if Obama didn't order drone strikes and raids on legal marijuana dispensaries.' That just isn't going to happen.

That's like saying 'if Gary Johnson got into the debates and won the election.'

Look how easy it is to be pedantic with one biased sentence! Good on you.

As a fairly liberal guy, I hate both of those positions Barack takes. Romney's positions would be the same or worse. Johnson, in my opinion, does not have a realistic shot to win, especially with the lack of ads and presence (but in the public knowing him and in the debates).

Now, those positions have nothing to do with what I said, which was my saying how this subreddit is just like every other political group - criticizes everyone else, but pretends their candidate doing the same shit is no big deal.

[–]zxcv73 0 points1 point ago

They don't do the same though. That was my point. Johnson made med weed legal in his state and crowd surfs. Obama doesn't do those things. You were the one that brought up the 'if Obama.' I'm just saying that's a stupid if.

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