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[–]BraKes22 46 points47 points ago

Which Aperture Science page out of the 20 put this up?

[–]Tyleulenspiegel 3 points4 points ago

This is what I want to know!

[–]BraKes22 10 points11 points ago

[–]SilverContrails 6 points7 points ago

Yep, this was the one, but they put the picture up ages ago.

[–]Jmz25 81 points82 points ago

You can't repost it into space either. Seriously, this is image was on here like 3 days ago.

[–]YourBestFriendStu 17 points18 points ago

I was soooo close to posting this into /r/space just to be a dick. Consider yourself warned.

[–]ProxyReBorn 11 points12 points ago

My brain put that together into /r/spacedicks (Don't click that shit)

[–]imbutawaveto 14 points15 points ago

Why not? I found the subreddit quite enjoyable!

[–]Eduardo_T 6 points7 points ago

I will not let them downvote you!

[–]Saiur 8 points9 points ago

It was 8 days ago.

And while I can sympathize with both sides of the "Reposts should/shouldn't be allowed" debate...this is just too damn soon.

[–]biggles7268[!] 16 points17 points ago

This is the first time I've seen it. While I'm with you on reposts being annoying, it isn't a repost for everyone.

[–]ZacChamp 4 points5 points ago

First time I've seen it as well and I'm glad I did.

[–]Fiarlia 0 points1 point ago

Eight days is only three days in reddit time.

[–]DrSmoke 0 points1 point ago

Was it just the image, because I didn't see the one from Aperture's FB.

[–]1DegreeOfSeparation 0 points1 point ago

The Aperture Science posting is only 12 hours old, so don't worry - you're right. Probably they snagged it from here.

[–]bouchard 0 points1 point ago

Jmz25: proving that in space no one cares about reddiquette.

[–]redditmaid 0 points1 point ago

Try 5 times in the past week. http://karmadecay.com/i.imgur.com/YLMpw.jpg

[–]3DBeerGoggles 37 points38 points ago

Spaaaaaaaaaaace!

[–]xanatos451 20 points21 points ago

Ghoooooooooooost!

[–]SayerofCody 9 points10 points ago

Toooooooooooooooooast!

[–]mr_dude_guy 1 point2 points ago

Mooooooooooooooooost!

[–]ABearOutOfNowhere 6 points7 points ago

Cooooooooaaasssstt to coooooooooooaaaassst!

[–]Amryxx 32 points33 points ago

Pretty sure religion is not meant to be used to launch objects into space. You may as well mock cats, tea sets and oligarchies.

[–]Scruffy_Gunman 19 points20 points ago

....are you implying cats can't eventually work out a conceivable space program?

[–]jonosaurus 13 points14 points ago

Futurama clearly tells us otherwise.

[–]Amryxx 1 point2 points ago

As much as it pains me, yes, that's what I'm implying.

Dogs, now that's a space-faring animal. Laika >>> capitalist furballs with no interest in space.

[–]DrDebG 3 points4 points ago

It's also worth noting that neither prayer nor science is going to get that shuttle back into space again. {sigh}

[–]JohnFrum 0 points1 point ago

How are the Mormons planning to get to their new planets then?

[–]Amryxx 1 point2 points ago

Well, I'm sure they'll use part of the tithe to hire an engineering firm.

(probably)

[–]edcross -1 points0 points ago

Guess someone never read matt 17:20 where it directly states you can use prayer to move an entire mountain.

if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

This poster is aimed at illustrating the absurdity of statements like matt 17:20. Keep in mind that the so called power of prayer is at the heart of modern christianity. The point here is if prayer had any real power approaching what the religious would have us believe... it could easily do things like put a shuttle into orbit. But it can't.

[–]Amryxx 4 points5 points ago

Guess someone never actually thought what the passage actually means. Saying "prayers can move mountains" simply means that you can use it to motivate yourself enough to do great things. It has never been advocated by anyone as a means of engineering.

The point is if prayer had any real power

Yes, the power to motivate. To inspire. There is no such thing as a mountain-moving or boulder-smashing prayer. Even in the olden days, engineering developed along, not as a replacement to, prayer - the two has different purposes.

While renouncing God may be a requirement by being an atheist, I don't think "take everything literally" is part of the deal, too.

[–]philldwill 8 points9 points ago

I'm going to be straight with you. My brother, mother, father and general population of my old church believe this is literal. That if you have enough faith, you can ask and you shall receive, even when it comes to moving mountains(Though it's generally accepted that only a few people have ever had that much faith). Let us not forget the whole Moses/red sea story. Or maybe the idea that Elijah flew to heaven in a fiery chariot.. which actually sounds a lot like flying to space in a rocket and some people believe it was a Spacecraft of some sort.
All I'm saying is, people believe in stupid shit and moving mountains with faith is one of them.

[–]NaChoBizness 6 points7 points ago

The thing is this, since neither of you wrote that passage, both of you are "correct" in thinking whatever the fuck you want about what that passage actually means.

But out of curiosity, when does religion stop being "metaphorical" and start being "literal?" So far, I am getting the impression that the line that differentiates the metaphor and the actual fact is highly movable depending on whether or not the hubris of a specific passage becomes too obvious for the religious person to defend.

[–]edcross 2 points3 points ago

While I did not write the passage, I have heard what believers say about the passage and the so called power of prayer. What they believe about this passage is the crux of this poster. People believe prayer has the power to do anything from finding lost car keys to curing cancer.

[–]Amryxx 6 points7 points ago

both of you are "correct" in thinking whatever the fuck you want about what that passage actually means.

I honestly do not remember any civilization from time immemorial using religion as an engineering tool. I am honestly surprised that there exist people who thinks "faith can move mountains" is to be taken literally. And I'm even more surprised that said people are the supposedly rational r/atheists.

But out of curiosity, when does religion stop being "metaphorical" and start being "literal?"

Good question. I don't claim absolute knowledge in the field, but it always seem to me that what is literal and what is metaphorical is pretty straightforward. For example, the following verses in the Qur'an is meant to be taken literally:

"O you who believe, you shall not take riba, compounded over and over. Observe God, that you may succeed." (3:130, prohibition against usury and interest)

"Forbidden for you are carrion, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that which has been slaughtered while proclaiming the name of any other than God, and one killed by strangling..." (5:3, methods of slaughter)

[–]BootlegV 6 points7 points ago

God : BUILD AN ARK

Noah (Random dude who probably has no fucking clue how to build a ship) : YESSAH

[–]DrSmoke 0 points1 point ago

Except here in the US, we do have people trying to work your fucking bullshit into everything. You're wrong, gtfo.

[–]Amryxx -1 points0 points ago

Please let me know who is trying to replace NASA with prayer-based aeronautical department.

[–]kearneykd 1 point2 points ago

[–]jyoung35789 1 point2 points ago

not trying to join the debate here, just thought you might find it interesting that I (as a former unwilling Mormon) was told on more than one occasion growing up that faith and the priesthood could literally move mountains if the occasion required.

[–]Amryxx 0 points1 point ago

O_o

I.. urm.. uh...

My condolences. Things like that just don't sit well with me.

[–]jyoung35789 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, it's foolproof because even if you can possibly devise a scenario in which God would ever ask a 14 yr old boy from Utah to move a mountain, if the boy happened to fail, you can always claim he didn't believe enough.

[–]DrSmoke 0 points1 point ago

Which is why people that still believe in magic, are idiots.

[–]Capt_Underpants 0 points1 point ago

Since I didn't write the theory of relativity, I can interpret it however I want?

[–]edcross 2 points3 points ago

Ah yes the version of the bible that is literal only when it suits your needs and was only ever metaphorical when exposed as absurd.

say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move

Read the words. Even if you want to argue your point fine, its all ambiguous anyway. However you gleefully ignored the next part.

and nothing will be impossible for you.

Take out the double negative and we get, "everything will be possible for you". Launching a shuttle is part of everything.

[–]Amryxx 1 point2 points ago

Ah yes the version of the bible that is literal only when it suits your needs

Wait, you mean, a complex and long book can have a mixture of both literal and metaphorical texts? Whoa, this is a revelation.

Not.

I mean seriously, of all the valid criticism of religion, you choose the most idiotic one available?

Take out the double negative and we get, "everything will be possible for you". Launching a shuttle is part of everything.

What part of "providing motivation" is so hard for you to understand? The Bible is not a textbook of spells a la Harry Potter.

If you keep insisting (for some reason) that the Bible is literal in this regard, what part did it say anything about launching a space shuttle into orbit? Letter from Paul to NASA?

[–]edcross 0 points1 point ago

The Bible is not a textbook of spells a la Harry Potter.

Leviticus 14:2-52, how to cure leprosy with a potion made from bird blood.

There is also another one which I don't care to look up for you about how to deduce if a women has been faithful by inducing a miscarriage with a potion made from the dirt from the temple floor.

Did you forget about the witchcraft? Why not suffer a witch to live if witches don't exist? Literally a la harry potter.

Did you forget about Moses's magic marks on the doors?

I could go on...

You sir are either lying or grossly misinformed.

Yet you still miss the point I made. What the book says and if it is metaphor is irrelevant. Many people I know believe that prayer can literally do anything. If you can't or won't agree with that, then we have nothing to discuss.

...and claiming that a spell is not a spell because god did it will be met with contempt.

[–]danieljschuster -1 points0 points ago

Well if you think about it, the people who believe in prayer believe in an almighty God. The Alpha and the Omega. The creator of the universe. So what's to say that their God couldn't move a mountain? That he couldn't throw a shuttle into orbit? You also forget the scriptures stating, "This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us" (1 John 4:14). What benefit would it be to God to move a mountain? What benefit would it be to throw a shuttle in space? And please, when quoting scripture, please include the many "scientifically" proven medicines that existed as well in the Bible. Here is a little reasoning for Leviticus 14 (remember, this is only for someone who seems healed from their leprosy, not saying that is a cure for it, which you completely missed when you decided to make your snyde remark... just sayin): http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap2B/Hebrew/Hebrew.htm

Believe it or not, which you obviously don't because to most Atheist, Science and the Bible are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum, the bible is quite scientifically sound in many many areas. Do your research before trying to trash something. Thanks! PM me if you ever decide you want to learn more about the bible. Would love to help you out. Have a nice night.

[–]edcross -1 points0 points ago

Well if you think about it, the people who believe in prayer believe in an almighty God. The Alpha and the Omega.

False. Please read a book on world religion. There still exist polytheists, ancestor worshipers and nature worshipers who pray. Not everyone in the world is a christian/jew/muslim.

You are just throwing around the big book of choose your own meaning. The fact remains that an event like putting a shuttle into orbit would be direct evidence of the power of prayer. Yet this has and under all likely hood will never happen.

the bible is quite scientifically sound in many many areas.

False. Bird blood cure for leprosy anyone? Where are the pillars that the earth stands on? You honestly believe in giants witches dragons and magic?

[–]sivlin 0 points1 point ago

In a literal or metaphorical sense, Leviticus is fucked up.

[–]Teuthex -1 points0 points ago

I find Harry Potter a lot more plausible than immortality.

[–]TheHairyManrilla -2 points-1 points ago

Okay, let's look at this from a different perspective: yours, or what I presume to be yours.

You obviously don't believe in God, the supernatural, etc. Therefore any prayer to move mountains or construct buildings out of thin air would be just as futile 2,000 years ago as it is now. So let's go to the authors who wrote it in their time. If they actually meant for their audience to take the passage as a license to call on the almighty to overturn topographical features, shouldn't Christianity have died out within the first generation of its existence?

[–]edcross -1 points0 points ago

This has nothing to do anymore with the authors as I have said. It is a commentary on the beliefs of living people. You are arguing if a passage is metaphorical. I already conceded that we cannot know. HOWEVER modern christians BELIEVE it is literal.

[–]ratchet1106 0 points1 point ago

Modern christian's don't take this literally. You make it sound as if EVERYONE who believes in a deity is brain dead.

Although that's probably how you do see it unfortunately.

[–]edcross 1 point2 points ago

Modern christian's don't take this literally.

May I introduce you to the mormons...

[–]TheHairyManrilla -1 points0 points ago

Well, I'll go a step further and say we can be reasonably sure that it is metaphorical. The phrase "moving mountains" was a common Jewish phrase meant for overcoming difficult challenges.

Now, some modern Christians may believe such phrases to be literal, but most of them come from traditions and denominations that are sympathetic to "faith healing" - a practice far outside the mainstream, but something you can see on late night TV.

[–]DrSmoke 0 points1 point ago

Fuck that shit.

[–]DecD 0 points1 point ago

Where are you from? I live in the Bible Belt, and have multiple friends/acquaintances who take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally. I recently had a conversation with a friend (a lawyer friend, in fact) who insisted that research into asteroids was pointless because we KNOW one will not hit the Earth because "that's not how the world is going to end." Since we know, without a doubt (right??) that Revelations is literal, we know that an asteroid can't POSSIBLY hit the Earth, so why are we wasting money on missions to asteroids?

She also believes 100% literal creationism, 100% literal Noah's ark. Every word.

Just saying-- just because it seems ridiculous to me and to you to take every word of the Bible literally, doesn't mean that people don't do it. And around here, LOTS of people do take it literally. All of it. It's just not that uncommon, shockingly.

[–]Amryxx 0 points1 point ago

I'm from Malaysia, so this may be a cultural thing.

[–]v1kingfan 0 points1 point ago

This is not a literal statement. Have you ever heard of a metaphor? Not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh?

[–]Teuthex 0 points1 point ago

This is not a literal statement.

[citation needed].

[–]TheHairyManrilla 1 point2 points ago

"Moving mountains" was an old Jewish metaphor for overcoming serious difficulties. It still is a metaphor for that today.

Besides, if it was meant to be taken literally at the time it was written, the religion wouldn't have lasted more than one generation.

[–]edcross 0 points1 point ago

"Moving mountains" was an old Jewish metaphor for overcoming serious difficulties. It still is a metaphor for that today.

Citation needed

I love it how people can just say anything they want without evidence and expect us to take their word for it.

[–]TheHairyManrilla 1 point2 points ago

Alright then, I will provide a citation.

But before I do, here's why I don't think I need a citation. You have obviously heard the term "moving mountains" before. And it has always been as a metaphor. So why would you read that passage any differently? Did you really think "well, it's in the Bible, therefore it must be literal!" or "no one ever actually moved a mountain, and if it's meant to be taken literally then that means it's not true...therefore it must be literal!"

Furthermore, here's what I said in my last post:

Besides, if it was meant to be taken literally at the time it was written, the religion wouldn't have lasted more than one generation.

Now that you've read my little rant, you can have your citation:

From google books (need to be logged into google account) http://books.google.com/books?id=8C2Y_HaL5W0C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

"The Gospel of Matthew: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary" pp441-442

[–]edcross 0 points1 point ago

But before I do, here's why I don't think I need a citation... So why would you read that passage any differently?

You feel you don't need a citation after being asked for one?... really?... wow. Forgive me but that sounds incredibly arrogant.

Anyway, because that is what the words on the page say. Who am I to go around assuming that what someone says is not what they meant? Also, in a book full a magic beings, spells and potions a literal reading would not at all be out of place.

Besides, if it was meant to be taken literally at the time it was written, the religion wouldn't have lasted more than one generation.

Except when it fails, they simply claim you didn't have enough faith. Common apologetics.

Edit: your source even agrees with me and explains this verbatim! They simply claim that no one else can do miracles because they lack the proper faith.

Again... none of this changes the fact that some people believe the line in matt is literal, and that they can do things like cure cancer with nothing more then prayer. That is to whom this poster is addressed. If you don't believe prayer can do anything, this poster is not aimed at you and we are in agreement.

*examining provided source

[–]edcross 0 points1 point ago

Your source seems to only restate that faith = literal power to do things. IE literally moving mountains.

Jesus expected his disciples to have sufficient faith to repeat his miracles.

-your source

It goes on to say the only reason they couldn't was a lack of belief. I see nothing that provides evidence that the mountain line is purely metaphor.

It even references the mustard seed line in a literal way. Citing that even a faith as a mustard seed could cast out demons.

Please be more specific. Please copy the line which shows that matt can only be metaphor.

[–]TheHairyManrilla 0 points1 point ago

Can't copy and paste from google books, but it's the first footnote on page 442.

[–]edcross 0 points1 point ago

Page 442 not shown in this preview.

You said I needed to be logged into a google account, I was.

From what I can read, your source seems to agree with me.

You still have the burden of proof. I don't have the time nor the patience to do other people's research and/or fix their sources.

[–]edcross 0 points1 point ago

Yea, so when it says "nothing will be impossible for you", thats a metaphor for what... your telling me they actually meant to say "most things will be impossible"? (like moving mountains or launching shuttles). Funny how biblical metaphors seem to always mean exactly the reverse of their actual text.

[–]SteampunkCylon 37 points38 points ago

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[–]toSTONEiGO 59 points60 points ago

LOL that's like the quote from that song from Portal LOL

I thought I was the only one who played that game xD

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It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.

[–]Asaoirc 1 point2 points ago

Aperture Science!

[–]HEROoftheBRINE 0 points1 point ago

We do what we must, because we can.

[–]CJett92 0 points1 point ago

For the good of all of us.

[–]drzeeb -2 points-1 points ago

Except the ones who are dead.

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[–]lostmygravitas 2 points3 points ago

Actually prayer is the ONLY way those are going into space anymore.

[–]flamingcanine 0 points1 point ago

How true. Sadly.

[–]LITERALLYbornhuetter 11 points12 points ago

You can brave yo'ure way to space

-NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON

[–]TheHairyManrilla -1 points0 points ago

All you need is Love.

False

All you need is bravery

[–]thegriefer 0 points1 point ago

All you need is a rocket, fuel, a fishbowl helmet, and a steering wheel, and BOOM! SCIENCE!

[–]aroondeep 1 point2 points ago

I should have uploaded this back when FBGod put it up....

[–]WhiteRaven42 9 points10 points ago

.... you know religious people do science, right? How does believing in god and a creation story effect chemistry and physics? Great foundations of science were discovered by deeply religious individuals in many cases.

[–]vargonian 3 points4 points ago

That's wonderful. That doesn't mean their religion had anything to do with it.

If Carl Sagan believed in astrology, we'd still criticize astrology.

[–]Stackman32 3 points4 points ago

I'm pretty sure that no religions have attempted to take credit for the space program.

[–]vargonian -1 points0 points ago

And yet they most certainly have attempted to be the authority on claims about the natural world--and even restricted what people can and can't study, and prohibited the sharing of certain ideas. With a worldview informed solely by superstition, we never would have made it to the moon.

To act as though there's no conflict is naive. Einstein faced pressure against his theory of relativity, Galileo was told not gaze at the heavens, Darwin--well, you know how that went. That's terrific that sometimes people can be religious and still do science. But it misses the point.

[–]khanfusion 0 points1 point ago

There's a cartoon somewhere out there illustrating how often religious authorities condemn a new venture into science, claiming blasphemy et al, right up until the new science has become vastly accepted by the public (despite the church's hostility towards it) and has also proven to be incredibly useful, at which point the religious claimed to have always backed the science all along.

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

You are right, their religion had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

So what does the space shuttle have to do with religion? Or rather, in what way does it discredit religion when religion has always been there alongside science?

Since religious people do great science, why imply that promoting science is in some way contrary to religion.

[–]vargonian 0 points1 point ago

when religion has always been there alongside science?

I don't know which history books you're reading, but I think you deserve a refund.

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

... huh?

Think about it... has any science in history been done in the complete absence of religion? Religion is in the world and science has flourished.

Those history books do happen to feature the small handful exceptions when religion stifled science. But all the science that has been done took place alongside broad religious belief.

Consider the actual meaning of my words... religion has always been there, hasn't it? Religion has nothing to do with space travel... but it also didn't prevent it even when most of the people involved in the space program believe in god.

[–]vargonian 0 points1 point ago

It's true that it's always been there, and hasn't always been a direct hindrance, no doubt. So, I can't argue with you there.

But regardless of how it's been rationalized over the years, it's still a competing ideology; it's a different way of looking at the word, and yes, even forming conclusions about its nature. Moderate theists like to hold the view that religion and science don't conflict with each other, but the fact is they do--to the extent that both make falsifiable claims about how the world works.

The point is that religion as an ideology has done little to give us objective knowledge about the universe, or progress our understanding of it. Praying for rain never caused rain to fall, despite the widespread belief in the efficacy of prayer. Yes, using "prayer" as an example in the OP image is a cheap shot, because no thinking person--faithful or not--expects that prayer can give immediate, obvious results (like building a space shuttle for us or materializing a big pile of money in our living room). But it's a symbol of the ideology; an ideology which purports to answer questions about the natural universe and fails miserably every time.

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

Moderate theists like to hold the view that religion and science don't conflict with each other, but the fact is they do--to the extent that both make falsifiable claims about how the world works.

All of that is true. None of that is evident in this caption. Space travel is not falsification of theism.

Yes, using "prayer" as an example in the OP image is a cheap shot, because no thinking person--faithful or not--expects that prayer can give immediate, obvious results (like building a space shuttle for us or materializing a big pile of money in our living room).

But it fails to even be a cheap shot because it is a MISS. No theist is going to bat an eye at this, it is just nonsense. Worse, it makes it look like the atheist OP doesn't understand the theistic position.

But it's a symbol of the ideology; an ideology which purports to answer questions about the natural universe and fails miserably every time.

Setting religion up against something like launching a space shuttle is a straw man because religion does not purport to explain physics in a way inconsistent with said physics. Religion simply paints existing reality with "god designed it this way". This image fails because it is not a challenge of what any but a minuscule minority of theists believe.

[–]vargonian 0 points1 point ago

I understand that most theists won't bat an eye at it, and won't feel in any way threatened by it. The image essentially says: "My ideology works; yours doesn't." Of course, no religion that I'm aware of ever instructed us on how to reach the stars, but many attempted to describe their nature--contrary to modern revisionists.

The extent to which this image bounces off the skin of a vast majority of theists largely reflects the extent to which modern theists have rationalized their belief systems over the centuries to be more consistent with reality. "Of course science and religion can coexist--now, but in only these certain areas (which will change over time)."

[–]Maverick1717 2 points3 points ago

Pretty sure a lot of the astronauts were religious, or at least acknowledged the possibility of God existing. Also the crew of Apollo 8 read the Book of Genesis as they orbited the moon.

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

The more I think about this poster, the less sense it makes. There's nothing about space flight that discredits religion unless you're focused on a very narrow, perverse interpretation that insists the moon is in heaven or something.

Basically, we're talking false dichotomy here.

[–]darkangelx -2 points-1 points ago

But the fact still stands, prayer will never launch a ship into space.

It can't do lots of things, like regrowing limbs...god prayers fails 100% of the time :)

[–]kilo4fun -2 points-1 points ago

It's great to have delusions of a supernatural power greater than your own that protects you. It gives one comfort in the face of danger. Doesn't make it any less delusional though.

[–]Perthbrony728 0 points1 point ago

It gives one comfort in the face of danger.

Except the ones who are dead because religion killed them.

[–]Fullerer 0 points1 point ago

you know religious people do science, right?

And Newton was an alchemist. We don't remember him for the alchemy, though.

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

.... I don't understand your point. So?

[–]Fullerer 0 points1 point ago

The fact that some scientists are religious is irrelevant, in the same way that Newtons alchemy is irrelevant. It doesn't validate their belief, their belief doesn't inform or assist their science, and we recognise them not because of the belief but because of their scientific work.

Newton was great despite his belief in alchemy, not because of it. Other scientists are great despite their religion, not because of it.

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

I'm not trying to validate their religious beliefs. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

their belief doesn't inform or assist their science, and we recognise them not because of the belief but because of their scientific work.

All true. That leads to the question, what is the point of this poster? Religion does not suggest that you CAN pray a ship into space. It is a kind of straw man. Religion is not a serious impediment to science precisely because they are so completely separate from one another.

Newton was great despite his belief in alchemy, not because of it.

Fine. I never suggested anything else. But at the same time, his development of the three laws is also irrelevant to his pursuit of alchemy. If this poster read "conservation of energy you alchemy suckers!!!" it would have about the same intent as this poster does now... and still not make sense.

People can't pray food into their mouths either... this poster is just nonsense because it suggests an assumption that just isn't true. Religion NEVER is about controlling or determining every aspect of a person's life.... so any demonstration of things happening outside of religion are simply not noteworthy. They are a given. One does not pray to start their car or paint a picture or study thermodynamics... or launch a rocket. SO WHAT??? What is the point of this caption?

[–]Fullerer 0 points1 point ago

Religion does not suggest that you CAN pray a ship into space.

Not specifically maybe, but it does claim that prayer works. To me this post is about the fact that if you want real results, prayer isn't going to cut it.

Religion NEVER is about controlling or determining every aspect of a person's life

Maybe not every aspect, but certainly a lot of it. Please recognise that there are many millions of people in the world who simply have no interpretation of reality outside the lens of their faith.

One does not pray to start their car

Really?

SO WHAT??? What is the point of this caption?

To cast doubt on the supposed power of prayer, while simultaneously celebrating the method we have that gets real results. Important thing to do, no?

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

To me this post is about the fact that if you want real results, prayer isn't going to cut it.

But people who pray ALSO go out and do things and get real results. With very very few exceptions, religious people do not believe that prayer replaces DOING things. Who is the post directed at... people who go out and DO things using science who ALSO pray or that minuscule minority that believe in things like faith healing at the exclusion of medicine?

Please recognise that there are many millions of people in the world who simply have no interpretation of reality outside the lens of their faith

.... but all faiths accept the necessity of doing things and learning about the world. For most actions a person does in a day, you can not look at it and know if they have a religious faith or not. We all drive cars pretty much the same way, for example. And when you are watching shots of mission control during a launch, can you pick out whom among those guys in nice clean shirts attend religious services on a regular basis? No, you can't.

People of faith get real results by doing just like you. Implying that they rely on prayer or faith is just demonstrably wrong.

To cast doubt on the supposed power of prayer, while simultaneously celebrating the method we have that gets real results. Important thing to do, no?

This poster does not do that at all. One can not cast doubt on something by presenting a completely unrelated issue. No one thinks that prayer replaces doing things or that it replaces knowledge of how the world works. This is a non sequitur. Space travel says absolutely NOTHING about the efficacy of prayer. As for celebrating science... how about doing that without needlessly insulting people.

A deeply religious person who prays daily and believes christ is their personal savior yadd yadda yadda would look at the post and simply say "what are you talking about?" This post applies to NO ONE. They'll just shrug and say "yeah, so?"

[–]Fullerer 0 points1 point ago

But people who pray ALSO go out and do things and get real results.

Which suggests some level of cognitive dissonance on their part, which is also worth pointing out. No?

but all faiths accept the necessity of doing things and learning about the world.

I agree, it suggests a level of hypocrisy on the part of the faithful - most of the time they operate exactly as if there was no divine force determining their actions and their fate. Which surely makes the religion superfluous at best.

People of faith get real results by doing just like you.

I really fail to understand why you think this supports your argument, and not mine.

Implying that they rely on prayer or faith is just demonstrably wrong.

No, the implication is that prayer doesn't work. The majority claims it does. I don't care if they're hypocrites and act as if it doesn't. They still claim it does, and they are wrong about that and so they shouldn't claim it.

As for celebrating science... how about doing that without needlessly insulting people.

Answer honestly, do you truly believe that pointing out the fact that prayer doesn't get rocket ships in the air.. is an insult? By that reasoning, any basic statement about reality is an insult. Madness that way lies, I tell you.

[–]WhiteRaven42 0 points1 point ago

Which suggests some level of cognitive dissonance on their part, which is also worth pointing out. No?

No. I can think of no theistic belief that asserts all prayer accomplishes the goals of the person praying nor does any theistic belief demand that prayer accompany every action. There is no cognitive dissonance because the belief itself has room in it for mundane acts and natural physics.

When the established thought pattern already accounts for the supposed contradictory intrusion, there is no dissidence because there is no contradiction.

it suggests a level of hypocrisy on the part of the faithful - most of the time they operate exactly as if there was no divine force determining their actions and their fate. Which surely makes the religion superfluous at best.

Not at all. Again, faiths incorporate within themselves the basis for mortal actions. The first book of the bible, for example, is all about man's and the world's separation from divine perfection. It is a part of the basic narrative of their faith. That's not hypocrisy.

Think about it. Religion arose in this real world we live in. Of course there is no inherent contradiction between it and common events in the world. It could never have gotten off the ground or thrived.

No, the implication is that prayer doesn't work

How is that a contradiction of what I said? It is both true that prayer does not work AND that the faithful do not rely on prayer to get things done. Both statements are true. So therefore, implying that the faithful rely on prayer is demonstrably wrong. Your point, that prayer does not work, PROVES my statement. And since I believe this image and caption implies that the faithful rely on prayer to the exclusion of science, I have to say that is it wrong and should be condemned as an invalid argument.

Answer honestly, do you truly believe that pointing out the fact that prayer doesn't get rocket ships in the air.. is an insult?

It is an attempt at one. I have said elsewhere that the premise is so far off, no one of faith would think anything of it beyond that the atheist making the argument doesn't understand the theistic position... which makes it a failure on every level.

By that reasoning, any basic statement about reality is an insult.

It is intended as an insult... that's why it uses profanity.

[–]Fullerer 0 points1 point ago

No. I can think of no theistic belief that asserts all prayer accomplishes the goals of the person praying nor does any theistic belief demand that prayer accompany every action.

It doesn't need to. Either prayer works, or it doesn't. If it does, by definition it limits the necessary actual work. That's all that is relevant here.

there is no dissidence because there is no contradiction.

There certainly is. What do people mean when they say 'prayer works'? What effect on reality do they really think it has? When you really break it down, the concept falls apart.

Of course there is no inherent contradiction between it and common events in the world.

..except for all the claims about reality that religion makes that are pure fantasy, or course. You know... all those claims?

It could never have gotten off the ground or thrived.

I beg your pardon? What about alchemy? Homeopathy? Conspiracy theories? Astrology? All a false belief needs to get off the ground is wish thinking. The rest happens pretty easily (way too easily, if there's no criticism). They require no tangible relationship with reality.

And since I believe this image and caption implies that the faithful rely on prayer to the exclusion of science

No, it just implies that prayer doesn't work. The rest, this idea that the faithful rely on prayer 100%, is not a necessary part of the commentary that the post is making. All it's saying is "prayer doesn't get this stuff done, but this other totally awesome method does. Maybe we should be paying less attention to the former and more to the latter".

[–]RubReddit 3 points4 points ago

aperture science got it from reddit.

[–]obros 3 points4 points ago

Repost time waster thanks!

[–]bouchard 0 points1 point ago

Complaining-about-reposts time waster. Thanks!

[–]GuranaAddict 0 points1 point ago

We do what we must because we can.

[–]leakproof 0 points1 point ago

Religion and science are not opposites, religious people also study in the field of science. I'm sure there were scientists that helped put the space shuttle into space that were religious.

[–]feelsnice -1 points0 points ago

So? Their religious affiliation still isn't what got the rocket into space. The science part is. The fact that some of the scientists were potentially religious doesn't make this statement any less relevant.

[–]TwiceAsShiny 1 point2 points ago

There are 3 Engine Nozzles on the rear of a space shuttle...... Half Life 3 Confirmed.

[–]justguessmyusername 0 points1 point ago

This is why I love that company!

[–]Tormentor 0 points1 point ago

You're gonna have to prove this one

[–]9ironman -1 points0 points ago

Too funny

[–]DarthSimian 0 points1 point ago

Ahh, that reminded me of this article that I read ages ago..had to google for it

http://www.hindu.com/2005/12/24/stories/2005122400250200.htm

A group of scientists at Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) visit a temple every time they launch a new satellite to space :)

[–]cardinalwolsey 0 points1 point ago

Aperature science is also is an extremely in humane organization

[–]Edge578 0 points1 point ago

Is the aperture science facebook page actually operated by Valve, or is it fanmade?

[–]Daredmond 0 points1 point ago

I hate the whole religion vs science ordeal. Like, really; it's like asking who would win in a fist fight between an armless man and a blind guy. POINT. LESS.

[–]Tjagra 0 points1 point ago

whats with the repost?

[–]Accipehoc 0 points1 point ago

But sadly, some people do :\

[–]JohnFrum 1 point2 points ago

Hate how scientists get all the credit.

-Engineers

[–]koavf 0 points1 point ago

It was just as stupid three days ago.

[–]Tranchera 0 points1 point ago

Who gives a fuck who posted it on Facebook? I'm sick of all these dumb titles like "found this on Facebook!" that don't at all describe what the fucking picture is. No one cares if you found it on facebook, or if it's a screenshot of facebook, or anything.

[–]jewcyone 0 points1 point ago

Got my upvote

[–]CallOfDutyNdNicCage 0 points1 point ago

You guys are so gullible it's hysterical. This is not an official page, it's some virgin who thinks he's Gaben makin these posts. You guys are so dumb it makes me ashamed to be atheist.

[–]easyeight 0 points1 point ago

No, dude totally don't come up here.

God

[–]CdubWillia 0 points1 point ago

Challenge accepted....and failed

[–]iheartbakon 0 points1 point ago

Challenger did fail.

[–]ItsDec2013stupid 0 points1 point ago

You can certainly pray it out though :(

[–]HardlyWorkinDBA 0 points1 point ago

There are 3 letters in the word you, HL3 CONFIRMED!

[–]paxcorpus -1 points0 points ago

Yes, this image is posted on Reddit at least 27 times an hour.

[–]Stocaz 0 points1 point ago

Use of the term "shit" enhances the dignity of the achievement.

[–]What33 0 points1 point ago

Not only has this image been posted many times before, but it also ignores the fact that a lot of the people that were responsible for the space program were religious.

[–]TRUECYBORG -1 points0 points ago

So ridiculous. Just look at all that beautiful karma and he only had to pretend to be dumb enough or new enough to not know this has been here within the last 2 weeks.

If Reddit gained new members who are quickly eager to post in any sort of volume that the number of reposts suggest, we must have 25 billion members by now.

Extra accounts to post to gonewild taken into account, of course.

[–]Kritter2490 -1 points0 points ago

I seem to be saying this more and more. Just because you're a scientist doesn't mean you don't believe in God. Many of my professors on college went to church every week (some multiple times a week) and they still managed to be experimental and theoretical physicists.

[–]Sparkesix 0 points1 point ago

Not sure if I forgot to like this image

or it was reposted again

[–]raging_mad 0 points1 point ago

Well should have seen it coming.. The never ending cycle of Reddit -> Facebook -> Reddit.

This just grinds my gears

[–]pastenseofdraw 0 points1 point ago

This made my day, thank you OP and Aperture Science FB page.

[–]barisaxxy7 0 points1 point ago

because aperture science is the shit.

[–]dmsp8baller 0 points1 point ago

I remade this into a larger res picture. That image looked bad when it was a a wallpaper stretched.

[–]Companion_Cuby 1 point2 points ago

I'm on that shuttle in the picture. Aperture Laboratories 'borrowed' it.

[–]nineteensixtyseven 0 points1 point ago

I am sure that the religious would say they do pray and god works through the the scientists/engineers...this is why the scientists need to work harder to kill god!! ...or maybe just capture him and hold him in a GITMO cell for questioning...The Scientists can make that call...not up to me...

[–]kjtmuk 0 points1 point ago

It's a source of constant amazement to me that people need to support science. Who the fuck is anti-science? It's like being living in the ocean and being anti-water. It's not an ideology, it has no ideological basis, it's a method, the ascension of science to pre-eminence in today's society is simply because of the success of the method in producing consistent results. You can't hold scientists responsible for the results of their experiments or the consequences of their theories any more than you can hold Howard Carter responsible for the contents of Tutankamuns tomb "You found this shit Howard, it's your fault!"

[–]Zebidee 0 points1 point ago

For the love of fuck, I wish people would stop talking about science as if it's the opposite of religion.

Only the most backwards, slack-jawed, American, hillbilly yokels believe that to have religion you must deny all science. I get it that they are pig-ignorant about the realities of the world, but to hear the same bullshit spouted from the 'science camp' is just ridiculous.

[–]Drinkmythink -1 points0 points ago

Omg us atheists are so brilliant .^

[–]Trinitykill 0 points1 point ago

Trying to imagine GLaDOS swearing...it's just not working

[–]Scarytown 0 points1 point ago

Man in rocket: I'm going to SPAAAaaAACE, Ace!" His friend: please stop talking.

[–]BHSPitMonkey 0 points1 point ago

Aperture Science isn't real.

[–]Workhorse9 0 points1 point ago

CIRCLEJERKKKKKK. What religions forbids engineering and rocket propolsion?

[–]Amryxx 4 points5 points ago

The Amish?

(and yes, I actually understand - and agree - with you. Just trying to inject some humour...)

[–]Fullerer 1 point2 points ago

What religions forbids engineering and rocket propolsion?

And that concludes this round of Not. The. Point. Join us next time when we point out that some scientists are religious, whatever that has to do with anything!

[–]edcross 0 points1 point ago

Are you familiar with the tower of babel story?

[–]Cliqey -1 points0 points ago

Misspelled ship. But, SPACE!! S'all good.

For the people who are still alive.

[–]Killswitch35 0 points1 point ago

Is r/atheism running out of ideas?

[–]chuhai -2 points-1 points ago

Came to /r/atheism to vent. Someone I know is sick and posting so on facebook and it drives me up the fucking wall every time someone says they're praying for his health! Sorry, prayer isn't going to do shit, because if god were some awesome thing that answered prayers, he wouldn't be sick in the first place.

I guess they're just being nice and that's a way for people to show they care, but it's really fucking annoying.

I want to post this picture in response, but won't, as I am in the closet atheist [aaand also, not an asshole]. Sigh.

That is all.

[–]Capt_Underpants 0 points1 point ago

Well.. you could say that, given so many variables, a person hopes that the one who is sick will hopefully hit all the correct scenarios to achieve a result of become better.

Or you could just say: you're in our hearts; I'll be hoping for the best; I'll pray for him/her;

Noone's asking for a fucking miracle. They just want that person to know that they acknowledge the situation the person is in and hopes the events will be in their favor.

And honestly, if it makes the other person feel better.. then i can indeed do (good) shit. Positive physiological effects can tip the balance in your favor.

[–]chuhai 0 points1 point ago

I don't think it does make him feel better.

[–]godamitbeavis 4 points5 points ago

SO BRAVE. It makes me so mad, how dare they pray to their god for their friend to get better.

[–]philldwill 2 points3 points ago

What the fuck is up with r/atheism today? What, he can't come to a place like this to vent without some ass using the same old "So brave." bullshit? He's obviously upset about his friend being sick, just like those who say they'll pray for him, but he was a big enough person to not post it on their FB page. Let the man vent, ffs.

And to add to it, simply praying is bullshit and it pisses me off that people feel any sense of accomplishment from it. They did nothing, they deserve no reward. If they pray and offer help, then I will have more respect.

[–]SayerofCody 1 point2 points ago

Word bro

[–]jabes101 1 point2 points ago

I feel your pain

[–]Joedang100 -1 points0 points ago

Oh man, I really want a background version...

[–]fathobo 1 point2 points ago

Cool fact:

My microbiology professor's PhD student took that picture I believe. Or another one very similar to it. If that is the correct photo, then that means she had samples of salmonella that were put up into space in order for the astronauts to do research on the bacteria to gather data about how their genomes work and as well as how virulent the bacteria become in mice. This can help scientists understand as to how quickly sickness can succumb astronauts in space if something such as salmonella is in their food source.

If you want anymore info. on her research I'd be glad to share with you all. She's an amazing scientist and is one and maybe only person to do research up in space with such amazing success.

[–]bodaciousbilly -1 points0 points ago

False dichotomy.

[–]Fullerer 1 point2 points ago

A false dichotomy is when you present two views as if they were the only possibilities, and suggest that if one is true, the other must be false. I fail to see how that applies here, because all this is saying is that prayer will never get the rocket ship into space, but science can. It doesn't discount further options, nor does it say that one cannot work because the other can.

[–]boboobeardude 1 point2 points ago

is Portal the cause of all this teen atheism?

[–]AdamRouse -1 points0 points ago

Please stop reposting this. Seen it about 5 times in the last 2 weeks on the front page.

[–]NigelTufnelsSpandex -1 points0 points ago

Anybody ever say "I can pray this shit into space"?

Atheism: Boldly refuting statements no one has ever made.

Scientists from JPL go to my church, by the way.

[–]DoWhile -3 points-2 points ago

BUT MY FAITH MOVES MOUNTAINS!

[–]v1kingfan 0 points1 point ago

Science is a tool. It is not better, or worse than religion.

[–]vargonian 2 points3 points ago

It's much better at finding objective truth, actually.

[–]Fertran 1 point2 points ago

Sure it is.

Science has predictive value, and works to identify and eliminate wrong ideas.

Religion has no predictive value, and works to suppress dissent against wrong ideas so that they may be maintained.

Unless you're talking about creating a supernatural justification for your ideology, religion is a clear loser in the knowledge-and-progress stakes.

[–]danielberube -5 points-4 points ago

sigh. you guys have a twisted view of religion and religious people everywhere. so narrow and ignorant. funny i say that about people who are so desperately trying to NOT be that.

[–]Fullerer 2 points3 points ago

Is it narrow and ignorant to suggest that prayer won't make rockets go? Well I'll be.

[–]darkangelx 2 points3 points ago

I like the part where you attack generalizations by one group by doing it to another group.

Good show!

[–]danielberube 0 points1 point ago

just r/atheism.

:)