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[–]dusontheloose 278 points279 points ago

well, if the exam is to fill a tree-climbing position, i think the test makes sense.

[–]jzing9 79 points80 points ago

Part 2: Now that you've had your practice, calculate the mass of the sun.

[–]Rustysporkman 31 points32 points ago

I needed to expend X energy to climb Y distance up the tree. F*d = Energy (technically Work), so I can calculate the force that Earth pulls on me. I know my own mass, and have a fairly good idea of the size of the earth based on horizons and other geometric tricks. Therefore, I can find out the mass of the earth.

Leaving that set of data for a second, I can calculate the average distance from here to the Sun, as well as my orbital speed, using the length of the year and other geometric tricks. From that, I can determine the Centripetal acceleration of the Earth around the sun. Since f= ma, I know the force with which the Sun pulls on the Earth.

I've already calculated the mass of the earth and the radius of its orbit around the Sun. Plugging this in for the same equation I used for finding the mass of the Earth, I can find the mass of the sun.

Yeah, what now?

EDIT: I'm not going to do the calculations. I apologize: I'm deeply in a Classical Physics mindset, which usually ends up with final answers that don't have numbers.

Additionally, it would be moot for me to do it because I would have to plug in values that I already know are true (without having, say, measured the distance to the horizon based on a 6-foot-tall vantage point and calculated the overall radius of the earth). So it's flawed from the start.

Again, I apologize.

[–]knucklor 18 points19 points ago

You would get more upvotes if you actually used numbers

[–]justabrickinthewall 6 points7 points ago

They don't even have to be correct, it's not like people will actually check the maths first.

[–]mechanicalcoyote 6 points7 points ago

This is the internet; some kind of neckbeard would.

[–]Darth2132 0 points1 point ago

You think someone with a beard on their neck will know calculus?

[–]BadArtStudent 1 point2 points ago

Well I am not sure if it counts but my beard knows calculus and it whispers to me during tests.

[–]jzing9 0 points1 point ago

[–]macromaniac 0 points1 point ago

Numbers used from off hand knowledge:

  • Speed of Light

  • Time it takes light to reach earth

  • Gravitational Constant

http://i.imgur.com/KKNXC.jpg

Got 1.776E30 kg,

I think most people don't know the gravitational constant offhand but I bet there's a way to approximate it.

[–]Rustysporkman 0 points1 point ago

I just got off a multi-hour binge of classical physics studying. Zero numbers in sight. I apologize.

[–]knucklor 10 points11 points ago

Direct your apologies to the angry hivemind

[–]omgdonerkebab 3 points4 points ago

People are were downvoting you, but this is exactly the type of thinking physicists are trained to do.

In fact, at my grad school, this is similar to the kinds of questions they ask on the qualifying exam. You would pass your Q with this answer.

[–]Rustysporkman 0 points1 point ago

Ah, man. I can't even imagine how crazy grad-level physics must get.

[–]omgdonerkebab 1 point2 points ago

It's pretty interesting, because after doing enough of the hard calculations, you start to develop a real physical intuition for what's going on. People talk to each other about how things scale, what orders of magnitude things are and what you can conclude from that, etc. A bit of insightful thought can save you a day or two of calculations, or a month or two of pointless lab-work.

Not to say that I'm completely at that level yet. All us grad students are still learning to think this way, still developing such insight by researching with professors and doing the hard calculations. And it's by no means the only useful skill of a successful physicist - just one of many.

[–]PaintballerCA -2 points-1 points ago

You've neglected that the gravitation acceleration between the Sun and Earth depends on how close the two are. You also neglected to account for other celestial bodies.

[–]Rustysporkman 5 points6 points ago

Earth's orbital eccentricity is .0167. It's nearly circular. Plus, I said "average."

And the pull from other planets is negligible, based on relative masses.

[–]HarbingerGunner 5 points6 points ago

Boom. Logic

[–]xekno 0 points1 point ago

I believe the subtext is implying that there will not be a swimming test, or a flying test, or any other test; only the climbing test is used. The real question becomes why did they choose the climbing test?

Just because the fish did poorly on the climbing test does not mean it is without merit. Of course the fish is bad at climbing, but the comic is asking you not to judge the fish only based on their ability to climb. While this may not be the best analogy for the education system, it still shows that certain talents are under appreciated in traditional education systems. There may not be a better way to do it, but so long as you recognize this you'll be a little bit better off.

[–]Binarydrone 3 points4 points ago

This sort of logic leads to things like people stating that mentioning sandwiches in text books is racist.

[–]Trifur -3 points-2 points ago

Your viewpoint is bad and you should feel bad.

[–]FuzzyLoveRabbit 171 points172 points ago

Well somebody ripped off Albert Einstein for this one.

But that aside, the only education which we are forced to get by law is pretty basic. It's the fundamentals of math, science, history and basic literacy. That isn't the time for a 'pick-and-choose' type of education; that comes later.

Once you've completed the fundamentals, you go to college, a trade school, military, something. That's where you get to say, 'hey. i'm a fish. i shouldn't be trying to climb trees,' and you start choosing your path. Of note here, is that at this point it is not the school's responsibility to adapt to you; you have the responsibility to pick the right school for you.

Einstein was condemning the idea of judging everybody's worth by one measure; he wasn't condemning organized schooling.

[–]mickey_kneecaps 22 points23 points ago

Thank you. There is no subject taught in K-12 education today that a person of average intelligence cannot master. Math may be the most difficult, but with effort almost anybody could master high school math.

[–]bezerker03 8 points9 points ago

This. I am very tired of people lowering the bar instead of raising it.

Yes. People will be left out. We have skilled trades for this.

[–]MatrixOperator 4 points5 points ago

Each subject is difficult in it's own way, and to different people. I personally have had much less trouble in math than in many other subjects.

Anyone of normal intelligence will be able learn the all the subjects if they just put enough effort into it.

[–]greyflcn 0 points1 point ago

More like, Einstein never said that quote in the first place. It's misattributed and fake.

Similarly Einstein never failed math. He got top scores. But Switzerland and Germany have reverse grading numbers from each other.

He got a 6, the top grade.

But his parents thought a 6 was failing.

[–]midsprat123 0 points1 point ago

haha, right. try going to school in Texas where the teachers are forced to teach to a test that is supposed to measure the students learning and is also used to judge the teachers performance by how well the students do

[–]SuperStingray -3 points-2 points ago

You're missing the point completely. The problem isn't that students don't get to choose which subjects they're taught, it's that they're only being taught one way. Some people internalize information more efficiently from visual media or interactivity than books and lectures. And how about proving you've learned information? Oral presentations or research projects might be more fitting for certain students than writing an essay. Yet our public education system pigeonholes everyone through the same by-the-book lecture-and-test process. Anyone can learn history, but not everyone can learn history from a textbook.

[–]Beljuril 0 points1 point ago

The problem isn't that students don't get to choose which subjects they're taught, it's that they're only being taught one way.

This just begs the question.

I would say that the real underlying problem is that the majority of US citizens value tax cuts over education spending. I suspect that the "one way" you are talking about is simply the most cost effective way of teaching, and that a "multiple way" style of education might require smaller teacher to class ratios... perhaps much much smaller.

[–]Saicotic -1 points0 points ago

The 8 years of Spanish education I was forced to take went to waste because of that...took independent study for the ninth year and I was damn near fluent.

[–]sumrndmredditor -2 points-1 points ago

This. Exactly this. Everyone absorbs information and knowledge differently. I prefer involved activities, like acting and video work or tinkering and experimenting, while my friends prefer reading it straight from the source, writing that essay, creating that artistic model, or debating it out. If a teacher can adapt to this and allows the student to learn it their way, and the student successfully masters it, then I consider that a job complete.

There's a good reason why you liked some teachers and hated others way back. You most likely never disliked the person, you just disliked the way they taught you (or forced you to learn).

[–]nmosc89 -2 points-1 points ago

Thank you. Read the comments and had to remind myself the hivemind isn't as smart as it thinks it is...was about to type something out until I saw this.

[–]CharlestonChewbacca -4 points-3 points ago

This post needs to be on the top. You, sir, get it.

[–]romanjormpjomp 186 points187 points ago

How is this post so popular? I hardly see this as a reasonable analogy.

[–]hookeslaw 125 points126 points ago

Because we are all beautiful unique snowflakes, if their child is not good at math or science or languages etc, that's just because their child is different, not because they failed as parents. /s

[–]Martoogh 42 points43 points ago

Sooo because a child does poorly in math, someone failed as a parent?

[–]the_television 22 points23 points ago

yes, or the child is retarded

[–]starlinguk -1 points0 points ago

So, the reason my son is excellent at maths is because I'm a good parent? That must be it, since his dad and I both failed miserably at maths (I'm sure my parents will be delighted to hear that's all their fault, btw).

[–]Italian_Barrel_Roll 7 points8 points ago

You gave him the ethic to apply effort to what he does and the motivation to focus and learn in school. You didn't have to teach him math, you taught him to seek out knowledge on his own.

Either that or your kid is an iphone.

[–]starlinguk 3 points4 points ago

I have a suspicion that's what he wants to be when he grows up.

[–]Italian_Barrel_Roll 0 points1 point ago

Make sure he's aware you'll be upgrading to a better model and selling him on ebay if that's the case.

Edit: Bonus "s" removed.

[–]Bozotclown -2 points-1 points ago

This is bullshit. I was great at everything at school, have shit work ethic and my parents didn't do anything. I simply had a high IQ.

[–]starlinguk 0 points1 point ago

I was being mildly sarcastic.

Still, I've met parents with hyper intelligent kids who refused to send their kids to the grammar school "because everyone there is stuck up", sending them to the local sink school instead.

[–]Bozotclown 0 points1 point ago

Grammar schools? Aren't you like 30 years late? I know a few still exist but they aren't common

[–]starlinguk 0 points1 point ago

They are still around and not as rare as you think. We've got a boy's grammar and a girl's grammar in our little city. Although there aren't enough of them, that's true.

[–]PeterJerome 1 point2 points ago

Nice try, Lev Vygotsky.

[–]abbeynormal 0 points1 point ago

It's not just subject matter, but test taking in general. Some students simply cannot sit still for four hours and take a test, with no breaks and no getting up to move around.

[–]taigahalla 0 points1 point ago

I believe that would mean they have ADHD.

[–]abbeynormal 0 points1 point ago

It means they're a normal ten year old kid.

[–]fe_iron 1 point2 points ago

And I personally know someone who got a Crocodile in Maths.

[–]lejefferson -5 points-4 points ago

This has more to do with the fact that everyone in this country until they are at least 20 years old goes through the exact same education as everybody else. We learn useless information beginning at a very young age that has nothing to do with things that we actually need to learn or know. We learn how color in the lines in 1rst grade while Koreans are learning algebra. In Europe starting in high school and earlier you begin to choose your own education styled to your own interests and abilities and career interests. Our education system should be the same instead of focusing on useless subjects like the Oceanography class I hat to take in grad school even though I was studying international relations.

[–]taigahalla 0 points1 point ago

"We learn how color in the lines in 1rst grade..."

Oh boy how about you try going back again. Anyways, adhering to each and every child's individual learning styles would be difficult and generally impossible. Also, I'm not sure why you took Oceanography in grad school, but they allow you to choose your own classes.

[–]lejefferson 0 points1 point ago

I'm not suggesting you adhere to each childs individual learning style. We're talking about giving people the options of what they need to learn in order to do the job and the skills they want to learn rather than wasting everyones time with information they don't need to know. And in my grad program we were required to take a course in physical geography. Oceanography was the only one available that semester and it was a complete waste of my time and money.

[–]MrF33 1 point2 points ago

You act like Europe is one country with one education system.

It's not.

The U.S. however, is the third most populous country on Earth.

The logistics of regulating what amounts to half the European population through one centralized government are staggering to say the least.

Everyone keeps saying "Well the Koreans this and the Swedes that... my boner is so hard and we should do that here"

Bullshit

You're just perpetuating the idea that one style, regardless of what it is, is going to work in this country. Guess what, it WON'T

The only way that our education system will be able to develop properly is if it becomes decentralized enough where schools are able to teach their communities in the way that best applies to the children of that community, not what's best for ALL the children in the state or country. Just what's best for the kids in that school district.

Until that happens there won't be any major progress in the ability of our education system to show major improvement.

[–]lejefferson -1 points0 points ago

This is complete bullshit. There is absolutely no reason why a central government can't make a decision to change the education system to one that allows people to pick and choose and to specialize their course of education. You're guilty of the same thing you are saying is impossible. You are saying that the country is too big for there to be multiple styles of education but then you say that one style of education won't work. The population of Germany is 90 million. Nearly a third the size of the United States. Saying that it is impossible to input a similar system because we are just too big is ridiculous. We don't want each individual community to choose what is best for their children. There simply aren't enough qualified people in every town in America to make that decision. We're going to end up with kids in one area who are getting a terrible education while kids in other areas get something great. We're going to end up with people in Texas who believe snakes can talk and seduce women and people in Idaho who believe that if you don't carry a rifle with you 24/7 you are going to get attacked by Armageddon Zombies. There is absolutely no reason why a centralized government can't create a system wherein there are multiple tracks and multiple options to choose from. The states can be responsible for overseeing the development and management of this kind of system. Just saying we need to to localize the system would do nothing to change it. Because there are going to be different needs and different strengths and desires for each and every single child in that local area. That's like saying one region of the country is going to be doctors, one region of the country is going to be engineers, and one region of the country is going to be artists.

[–]the_rumblebee 13 points14 points ago

Imagine you're a penguin. You've always been good at swimming. Since you were young, your parents have told you you're a helluva swimmer, and everyone tells you you should grow up and become a professional swimmer. You enjoy the praise, you see that you do indeed have the talent for it, and so early on you realize you want to become a pro swimmer.

So you go to school. Hold on- only one of the subjects you learn is swimming. Everything else is stuff you're not so good with, like climbing trees or digging tunnels. You march on, wondering what the point of it all is, because you know that these skills won't help you much in what you plan to do someday, which is to swim.

All this while, over the span of 10 years or so, you are told you are a mediocre student. You do well in swimming class but no matter how much effort you put in, you're not as good a tree climber as monkey. Your parents often shout at you to try harder, your school teachers get easily impatient with you or may even write you off, and your peers look down on you.

So you take the exams. There are maybe 6 subjects, only one or two of which you are good at. Some animals, like Monkey, are really good jack-of-all-traders. He scores well on pretty much everything. You don't do so hot, especially since the two subjects you score well in aren't really seen as being all that important. Not to others, anyway.

So the time has come where you finally get to pick what school you go to, and you can finally stop learning about all the silly stuff you're not good at like tree climbing and hole digging. You can finally enter Swimming school. However, you did not qualify. Why is that? Because Monkey likes swimming and thinks he's pretty good at it, so he entered swimming school. So did a whole bunch of other animals. There weren't enough places in swimming school, so thanks to your poor grades in subjects not relevant to swimming, you did not make the cut. You might be a faster swimmer than monkey and elephant combined, but they will get to study swimming and you won't.

So you enter a private swimming school. It's not nearly as recognised as the official swimming school, and a lot more expensive, but you've got no choice. You ace it. You study hard, you get great grades, and finally you feel like you can go forth and be the swimmer you always dreamed you'd become.

Unfortunately, you quickly realize that with your inferior degree in swimming, it's hard for you to find a job. You're a great swimmer, but you've still got a lot of work cut out for you to prove it. Your 20 year struggle continues and someday, if you truly are the best at what you do, you may finally earn the recognition you deserve. But tell me: should it really be this hard?

[–]the_rumblebee -2 points-1 points ago

Speaking from experience, it's not that simple. A bad academic record will follow you for the rest of your life. You might not get into the school you want, you might not get the job you want, you might be amazing at what you do but you'll have your work cut out for you if you want to get noticed and taken seriously.

A person who is more book smart will have an undeniably easier time than someone who is smart in a different way than what the education system can measure.

[–]Birdslapper 7 points8 points ago

The point of his comment is that high school classes are average level classes. They are basic knowledge classes that everyone needs and that any average student can do fine in.

you might be amazing at what you do but you'll have your work cut out for you if you want to get noticed and taken seriously.

How is your employer going to know you are great at what you do? If you want to get a masters in said field or a PhD, how will they know? And I'm not sure if you've spent a lot of time in college but you're not going to get anywhere fast if you can't put your face in a book an just straight up study.

It would be arrogant to think that you know more than the people who are scoring higher than you. I'm in the med field so for me it's either you know it or you don't. Engineering or Math can be different because you could be smarter than someone else but make silly mistakes. Employers don't want people who make silly mistakes, they want the so called 'book smart' person who will get it right every time. Now if you're a special case and a genius like dude from A Beautiful Mind, that's different. But we aren't talking about special cases, we are talking about the majority.

I used to have the same mentality as you when I was going for my engineering major, but when I switched to med I saw that there was no "pay attention in class, do a few homework problems, that's it I got it" or "I understood the problem first I am the smartest". It's whoever puts in the most effort, regardless of actual brain power.

[–]the_rumblebee 1 point2 points ago

I have a degree, actually. Just so you don't think I'm some punk kid making excuses for being a bad student :)

I think I get how you feel. I used to feel the same way about something else: drawing. I don't mean to toot my own horn but I'm pretty good at drawing. When people see my drawings they usually talk about how good I am and how they wish they could be as good as me, but sadly they just aren't good at it. I used to tell them the same thing: that firstly, anyone who can write with a pencil has all they need to draw, just add practice. I would tell them it took me a lot of effort to get to where I am, and if they practiced just as much they could be just as good or better. But now I know that's not true.

Some people just plain aren't good. They aren't creative, they aren't as good at putting what they imagine on paper, I don't know what it is. But the fact remains that no matter how much they practice, they might never be as good as I am. (Which is fine, because they'll be better than me in other things.)

It's the same for school. I might study for 2 hours a day, you might do the same, but if you're naturally quicker at math and science, you'll learn more, you'll do better on tests. "Straight up studying" is fine and all, but I'm sure you know people who, no matter how much you study, you'll never out perform in a test. It's only worse for students who are even worse at that subject than you are. And my point is, such students have a rough time ahead of them, as long as they are students.

[–]Birdslapper 1 point2 points ago

but I'm sure you know people who, no matter how much you study, you'll never out perform in a test

I know nobody like that because I set the people who outperform me and make them my goal then I outperform them, and when I don't I can usually isolate the reason why and it's usually because laziness. Point is, people shouldn't be so quick to make excuses for themselves that they can't solve. "Oh I guess that person is just smarter than me." No, I don't think so because unless it is a class catered for advanced students, every person should be able to get an A if they have the time to put in the effort (i.e they aren't busy with work or family).

such students have a rough time ahead of them, as long as they are students.

That's why those students go for simpler degrees or degrees that are somewhat close to their interests. Sometimes students have to suck it up and do something they don't absolutely 100% love. Unless they want to live in their parents house for ever or start up their own business and skip school. I'm sorry but make art a hobby, not a profession.

I mean I get where you're coming from, but we need to be realistic here. It'd be nice to have everyone do something they enjoy or it'd be nice for everyone to have to put in exactly the same effort for their degree by doing what they excel at the most, but that won't be the case all the time. People just need to find what will get them a job that they are relatively good at and go that route, be it through school or otherwise.

[–]the_rumblebee 0 points1 point ago

I'm sorry but make art a hobby, not a profession.

That's exactly what I did, actually. I always get asked why I didn't pursue it as a career, but I think the reason is obvious.

I think you're missing my point, though. Or maybe it's a hard concept for you to grasp because you're a good student, or everything you touch is gold. Human beings have limits. This is not about making excuses, it's about simply recognizing someone else is better than you in something. Perhaps when you can't beat someone on a test and you can't isolate why, the reason is not laziness, but simply that you have reached your saturation point on how much you can learn in a period of time. Hell, the mere fact that he can be less lazy than you are is proof that he is a better student, straight up. Unless you score first on every test you ever took, you can't really make a case for "hard work beats everything", you know?

[–]Birdslapper 0 points1 point ago

That wasn't the case I was trying to build, I can see how you could have got that from the way I worded it. Sorry I know I sounded like an arrogant asshole in my post but I didn't mean it like that lol. I'll repeat what I said in the last post,

unless it is a class catered for advanced students, every person should be able to get an A if they have the time to put in the effort (i.e they aren't busy with work or family).

Also

People just need to find what will get them a job that they are relatively good at and go that route, be it through school or otherwise.

Let me build on this point. There will be people who are better than others, that is not the education system's fault. That's human nature. They can't cater to every student because so-so1 is less proficient at learning than so-so2. So-so1 just needs to find something he's good at that is realistic and can get him a job and go for it. Again, be it school or otherwise.

[–]the_rumblebee 0 points1 point ago

Hey, no problem man. I actually find your opinions to be interesting, they make me question my own opinions so it's all good fun.

unless it is a class catered for advanced students, every person should be able to get an A if they have the time to put in the effort (i.e they aren't busy with work or family).

Might be different on my end because I'm in Asia, education is crazy hard here. Parents and teachers are especially harsh I think which only makes things worse.

Let me build on this point. There will be people who are better than others, that is not the education system's fault. That's human nature. They can't cater to every student because so-so1 is less proficient at learning than so-so2. So-so1 just needs to find something he's good at that is realistic and can get him a job and go for it. Again, be it school or otherwise.

Yes, I agree with this 100%. The problem I have is, our education system makes so-so1 feel stupid for over 10 years. He'll have to deal with stuff that so-so2 won't even understand, just because so-so1 is smart in a way that's different from what our education system defines smart as being. Which, if you think about it, is unfair. But life is unfair, and I honestly believe that if so-so1 is good at whatever it is he's good at, and if he keeps at it, he'll make his mark in the world anyhow. Just that ideally, it shouldn't have to be so hard.

[–]hoodis 0 points1 point ago

Speaking from experience, that is simply not true. You can always turn around any bad marks and you would also be surprised just how unnecessary higher education is. Plenty of my coworkers have mountains of debt, my brother as well, yet i have a better position and make more money than most them.

I am a high school dropout with a GED (got it at 16). I was accepted to a decently prestigious university. I just went to another state and didn't send any high school transcripts, I got in on my test scores alone. I have the job i want, i am noticed and i am a key member of our team so i am taken pretty seriously.

Higher education isn't quite the scam people make it out to be nowadays, but it shouldn't be a guaranteed thing either. Actually i feel i had an advantage by dropping out and not going to college. While my brother, one year older than me, spent 4 years at school i was working in my field. While he learned everything in a classroom i learned it by doing it. Right now he had a diploma with debt while i make more money with a better position.

Granted this doesn't work for some fields, but for the vast majority it does. Even the ones you would think require a ton of schooling. Hell getting ahead in a career in general is more about who you know than what you know. My advice would be to save that college money and learn "people". That will get you ahead far quicker (again, for most fields).

[–]the_rumblebee 0 points1 point ago

That may be true for where you are, but I'm from Singapore, and it's very education driven here. We take education extremely seriously, and if you don't have a degree, forget about earning more than $1800 a month. Hell, even having a degree isn't enough, they want fresh grads with 1-2 years job experience.

[–]swine-fu 0 points1 point ago

No matter how good you are at swimming, the fish is better.

[–]the_rumblebee 0 points1 point ago

There's always someone better at you, such is life.

(I picked penguin cuz I think penguins are cuter.)

[–]Foxblade 0 points1 point ago

That was really well written. I really feel like you hit the nail on the head here.

[–]sumrndmredditor -1 points0 points ago

Excellent analogy on how the school system works, or rather doesn't. Sure taking all these advanced classes in high school will look excellent on your transcript, but will you really use that AP US History knowledge for your electrical engineering degree? How about that IB English; how will that effect you when you go into your Statistics classes in college? Or maybe that AP Calculus for your glassblowing goal? What about Physics and your fashion degree? (well maybe not the last one if you plan on working with Lady Gaga or something)

The point is they need to start sharpening us earlier. I already know what I want to be now, now teach me how to be that without all these distractions that I'm not going to do in my planned field of work. I'm not going to be tap-dancing in a room full of server racks, so why require me to do it when I wanna do sysad? Making me a well rounded person is fine; just let me choose when I want to start becoming more focused when I decide what I want to do.

Sure some people need more time to decide. I say let them have their time. Not everyone decides quickly, or knows what they want. Let them have their general education. Just be ready for them when they want to pursue a goal.

[–]the_rumblebee 1 point2 points ago

What about Physics and your fashion degree? (well maybe not the last one if you plan on working with Lady Gaga or something)

I think having no understanding of Physics will actually be beneficial there, haha.

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about sharpening children earlier, because kids are fickle like that. In fact, despite having many criticisms on the education system, I'm not sure where I would begin fixing it. =/ Perhaps my biggest concern is how society treats poor students. Parents and Teachers can be harsh, man. No kid should have to live thinking he's stupid for 10 years just because he is trying to do things he's not naturally gifted in.

[–]sumrndmredditor 0 points1 point ago

Well I don't mean teaching advanced skills at age 2 or anything. I mean let us have more choice before college. The stereotype taught about college is that it's where you really learn how to be specialized. Make high school more like college where you can choose what you want to learn. Yeah you can pick classes, but you're still forced to take the required x years of English, Math, Science, History. Un-require those classes. Friend 1 might love his/her English, but I couldn't be arsed to do it. I might like Science, but Friend 2 would rather swim in a pool of Tabasco Sauce. We don't need to be shackled down by trying to work harder for things we won't be pursuing. Meh, I don't know. Stuff needs to change.

As for how society treats students? I don't know how to change that either. There has to be a massive social shift with embracing talents early on and acknowledging that people are skilled in different things.

[–]the_rumblebee 1 point2 points ago

I think the good news is that I think people who are smart in ways other than in the subjects schools teach tend to make it anyway. They'll have a harder time growing up, but once they start getting into their element things will turn out better. Perhaps the only thing the education system can do is to be less harsh on such people.

[–]Evermist 0 points1 point ago

There is an elephant in the picture, you can't just go around downvoting elephants it's against the rules or something.

[–]judokalinker 0 points1 point ago

A viewpoint that is popular on Reddit is the futility of the education system (including college being a scam). This comic is also a play off an Albert Einstein quote. These things help a submission get upvotes.

[–]RICH_LITTLE 54 points55 points ago

When it's a test of tree climbing abilities, this would be a fair test.

[–]Ragnalypse 62 points63 points ago

Next you'll imply one kid is smarter than another kid just because he's smarter than that kid.

The education system should give grades based on effort! We don't need engineers or other elitists!

[–]mathius123 14 points15 points ago

You can have the elitists, I'll take the engineers. We need those.

[–]FuzzyLoveRabbit -1 points0 points ago

Engineers need degrees, therefore they are elitist.

Who we need as our national voice is someone folksy and plain-spoken. We don't wanna give the world the impression we're educated or anything.

EDIT: Sarcasm module malfunctioning.

[–]xekno 8 points9 points ago

Engineers need degrees, therefore they are elitist

That logic gave me cancer.

[–]FuzzyLoveRabbit 2 points3 points ago

It was sarcasm.

I thought the second line would hammer that home.

[–]isthisbatcountry 6 points7 points ago

That's absurd, giving grades based on effort is like giving out consolation prizes at races and other competitions. People who compete in anything be it academics or athletics are trying to win. Part of reality is that people are not equal and telling someone they are just as good as someone else because they tried doesn't help anyone in the long run.

[–]Crywalker 5 points6 points ago

I'm not sure if you're not being serious or if you can't actually tell he's not being serious.

[–]InsufferableTwat 5 points6 points ago

I can't tell if the people upvoting batcountry's comment are thick as a barrel of bricks, or enjoying the misunderstanding.

[–]JohnGalt3 3 points4 points ago

Aspergers is a bitch.

[–]PeterJerome 0 points1 point ago

Nice try, Howard Gardner.

[–]7zark77 0 points1 point ago

This is what the English education system has become. Nobody can fail because you can retake as often as you like to boost your grades. This is why the elite schools have abandoned the exams all the regular state schools do.

[–]xekno -1 points0 points ago

But should that be the only test if the subject pool is so diverse? This is the real question.

[–]remhawk99 11 points12 points ago

So you climb the damn tree. Hum the bane chant if you must.

[–]Squirtcub 13 points14 points ago

"Don't you love it when people in school are like, 'I'm a bad test taker.' You mean you're stupid. Oh, you struggle with that part where we find out what you know? I can totally relate see, because I'm a brilliant painter minus my god awful brushstrokes. Oh, how the masterpiece is crystal up here but once paint hits canvas I develop Parkinson's." - Daniel Tosh

[–]logicalthinker1 2 points3 points ago

Now if NDT said it, reddit would be preaching the same thing

[–]andbruno 28 points29 points ago

Idiotic comic.

[–]Pikachu666 -1 points0 points ago

My thoughts exactly

[–]YourMomSaidHi 4 points5 points ago

This is posted all the time and every time it is dumb. We are all humans. We are not elephants or roosters or crocodiles.

There is a reason for standardized testing and education. It is to ensure that all students are taught what they need and no less.

Not all students are the same, but being educated to a higher level is the student and parents responsibility, not the public schools.

[–]KevYuuuu 9 points10 points ago

Looks like someone didn't do so well on the SAT.

[–]SatinHandyWipe 5 points6 points ago

I've never understood this. Because someone is dumb and can't keep up, they should get an easier test? I don't think so.

[–]gwog 0 points1 point ago

No one said "easier" just different.

[–]thelinchpin 6 points7 points ago

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

attributed to Albert Einstein

But in case you are skeptical:

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/6732/did-einstein-actually-say-the-if-you-judge-a-fish-quote-that-many-are-attribut

[–]albequirky 5 points6 points ago

Just because everyone is good at something, does not mean everyone is valuable to society. Some skills are simply better than others.

[–]thelinchpin 0 points1 point ago

That's a good point, but in Einstein's case, I think you could say that not every skill is valuable to society immediately.

[–]Someguy1448 2 points3 points ago

That's is really unfair, how are the rest meant to compete with a tree-climbing goldfish

[–]AFewSecondsAgoDouche 3 points4 points ago

Bullshit.

And it's the same type of bullshit trotted out by the parents of dumb kids at every opportunity they get. Couldn't hack school? Oh that just isn't what he's good at, but please put him into college (more school) and then a job that involves the things he's meant to be learning because the things he's actually "good" at turn out to be fucking worthless in real life.

[–]deja-vu-comment 8 points9 points ago

No one left behind god dammit! No one goes anywhere til that fish is up there!

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[–]xekno 5 points6 points ago

That isn't actually the point of the comic. It's saying that the fish has merit independent of their climbing ability. Just because the fish is not a good climber (regardless of if that is what is expected of them), does not mean they are not 'good' at something useful (or smart, as the context implies).

[–]SherlockHolmes- 2 points3 points ago

Our education system definitely teaches us how to become productive members of society. Oh, and standardized testing actually does test the only applicable, real-world skills. Creativity, ingenuity, social skills? So unnecessary.

[–]MatrixOperator -2 points-1 points ago

Those are the skills you are supposed to teach yourself.

[–]BraveRutherford -1 points0 points ago

The monkey is white people.

[–]TrevDoggeh 0 points1 point ago

Look at the shit-eating grin on that monkeys face... or would it be a shit-throwing grin?

[–]Thegreatbobini 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, but we're all monkeys

[–]clingClongClan 0 points1 point ago

The monkey seems really happy!

[–]CannedSewage 1 point2 points ago

I must be really, really dumb, but could someone explain this to me like I'm 5?

[–]hayberry 2 points3 points ago

it's trying to say that it's fallacious to hold everyone in our education system to the same standardized test when children all have varying abilites and excel at different things--a goldfish can swim really well but can't climb a tree for its life, like how little bobby may be really bad at math but be really good at art. but it's kind of a stupid, over-simplified argument, look above for more info.

[–]scsk8r831 1 point2 points ago

Only the black kids pass?

[–]electric_sandwich 1 point2 points ago

That monkey is STOKED.

[–]Mofrosho 0 points1 point ago

I think it had less to do with what we're taught and more to do with how we're taught it

[–]mkinsella 0 points1 point ago

people are dumb so they get angry at the stuff they are learning. retards

[–]cougarclaws 0 points1 point ago

is this really a fair comparison?

[–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points ago

If you can't pass a certain test that everyone else can, that means you are stupid. Pat yourself on the back all you want for being different and unique and special; you'll be the most unique homeless person then.

[–]marathon_penguin 0 points1 point ago

I was on college working on a secondary ed. degree and was flabbergasted when they told us developmentally disabled and ESL students were held to the same standard for No Child Left Behind measurements of school success. I think students should have to show improvements in those cases, but there's no way it's fair to hold them to the same standard.

[–]Non_Contributing_0 0 points1 point ago

Could I love this more? I'll give you a clue... No

[–]bigmac49 0 points1 point ago

Being a high school student in florida, this is so true.

[–]GizmoScriv 2 points3 points ago

Replace those different animals with humans and there is no valid point to this argument. As far as I'm aware, everyone in our education system is of the same species.

[–]HungryHippocampus 0 points1 point ago

A lot of ignorance in these comments.

[–]superpastaaisle 0 points1 point ago

You're right, insomuch that idiots will do poorly on exams because they are idiots.

[–]Woland99 1 point2 points ago

So OK - lets just throw away 2 million years of hunab evolution where on every step we tried to get ahead by non-specializing but rather being able to solve very broad set of problems. Lets eliminate competition. And lets eliminate hard work. All that because "everybody is a genius" and "math is tough"... Give everybody a golden star let them hover above ground in a precious ignorance until reality will hit them like a freight train.

[–]Siftey 1 point2 points ago

Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but this is a re-post.

[–]Anderz 1 point2 points ago

How about: "When life gives you fins, don't become a fucking tree climber."

[–]runitbigg 1 point2 points ago

I',m pretty sure that those is 5 different anaminals and not human.

[–]azzwhole 0 points1 point ago

Standardized testing such as the SATs tests for abilities that every mainstream student can and should have. Math, geometry, grammar, comprehension, composition. Having gone through two separate education systems (Russian and American) I can safely say that in my experience more educational freedom results in fewer well educated students and creates a gap where it can be avoided. Though to be fair there are many factors that cause underachievement and gaps between students. Standardized tests are but a stopgap.

[–]Spiritjump 0 points1 point ago

Repost system.

[–]hitbyabus21 0 points1 point ago

This is stupid

[–]kevyn_chung 0 points1 point ago

monkey got this in the bag.

[–]twoclose 0 points1 point ago

I find it extremely offensive that you consider some human beings to be a completely different species. Extremely offensive.

[–]pauldy 1 point2 points ago

An example of how to justify your own failures as someone else's problem, well done.

[–]Paddyish 0 points1 point ago

[–]turk1559 0 points1 point ago

If education was tailored around individual needs, everyone would get an A when in fact the real world isn't custom made for everyone.

[–]jbd1986 0 points1 point ago

I'm confused... I thought school teaches you math, reading, science, history, and general comprehension. I don't understand the comparison. Are you saying that some children are elephants, while others are monkeys? I can understand that an elephant can't climb a tree... but explain to me why a student should be exempt from any of the subject matter that a school provides?

[–]pauldy 1 point2 points ago

From what I gather reading other posts it's attempting to illustrate equivalencies of self worth. So you might be really good at math but be bad at English or your social studies. Math is swimming English might be climbing a tree and social studies running and you're a penguin. Seems like an idiotic way to view life but people do all kinds of stupid stuff to protect their own egos, so whatever.

[–]8_4_Schu 0 points1 point ago

The basics must be learned at the elementary and high school level, and it doesn't matter whether you are good at written essays, oral presentations, math, etc. You MUST learn to communicate at least in some basic form in ALL media. I've seen many great speakers and oral presenters come off like they are mildly retarded in written presentations, and vice versa. There has to be some form of standardization; we cannot adapt public education to every person's learning style - it is not economically feasible. And part of getting an education is learning to work within the confines of some kind of structured environment and meet deadlines. These are things that will be faced in the big bad world outside the classroom, so best to learn them now than try to explain to a potential employer that you don't have a high school diploma because your teachers just didn't "get" you and your learning style.

[–]RavenSmite 0 points1 point ago

This reminds me of a particular quote from Albert Einstein... Something about calling a fish an idiot based on its ability to climb a tree...

[–]RyuSythe 0 points1 point ago

Easy enough; the elephant pushes the try over making it possible for all but the fish to get "up" the tree. Though even that can be solved if one of the other capable animals carries over the the fish. It's all about the teamwork.

[–]SgianDubh 0 points1 point ago

That cartoon must have been created by someone who went through the education system it attempts to lampoon.

[–]NDIrish27 0 points1 point ago

Racist.

[–]Crossfox17 0 points1 point ago

This is stupid on so many levels. It is an awful metaphor.

We are all humans and, with the exception of a minority of remarkably gifted people, we are all capable of roughly the same academic and intellectual achievements. If you, for whatever reason, get derailed at some point and are unable to catch up then tough luck. Either persevere and don't stop until you are satisfied or be content with the abilities you have and do what you can with them. Kids get tested in certain subjects and skills that translate into a profession or position. If a kid isn't good at certain subjects then he isn't qualified to work in it's respective field. If you wan't to be a doctor then do what it takes to learn the required curriculum. If you grow up in a bad neighborhood and don't wind up with a good education then do what you can with what you have or decide to do what you have to to re-educate yourself and pursue your dreams. This is the way the world works.

[–]jdrneto 0 points1 point ago

This is basically how stupid people rationalize their low test scores.

[–]DAFANG7 0 points1 point ago

The monkey looks like Obama

[–]blkhp19 0 points1 point ago

Except the monkey can actually pass this test

[–]Wyrmser 0 points1 point ago

Geometry is getting pretty tough, huh?

[–]shaneathan 0 points1 point ago

For a fair scholarship system, everyone has to go through the same test- Throw that football/basketball/baseball/soccerball/golfball farther than everyone else. Congratulations! You win a billion dollars!

All you straight-a students? Fuck off

[–]Son_of_Borr 0 points1 point ago

COME ON!!! american test taking would have the tree lowered to the point where the truly skilled climbers would be unidentifiable.

[–]raikkonen 1 point2 points ago

I agree that structuring the education system around a test is a poor choice. However, those tests were a fucking joke. This comic implies the test is impossible for random students when in actuality they bring down the quality of education for most children because they are so easy.

The class is taught just enough material to pass and kids that can use a spoon are bored out of their minds.

[–]lsetten 1 point2 points ago

Yes. Because 2 humans are as comparatively different as a fucking goldfish and an elephant.

[–]TCR_A1 0 points1 point ago

Somebody doesn't know an analogy when it hits them over the head.

It is a visual representation of the differences in mental faculty - not of ability but of scope. Something which can indeed vary as much as a goldfish can from an elephant. They're both organic beings, they both have things in common like eyes, a brain, etc. One can swim underwater deep in the ocean, the other probably shouldn't be attempting that.

(I still disagree with the underlying idea of the cartoon, but not with its medium)

[–]Cangration 2 points3 points ago

It's a damn bad analogy. And it only serves to get the little motivated a little less motivation.

[–]lsetten -1 points0 points ago

"Somebody doesn't know an analogy when it hits them over the head." God damn you sound like a snobby ass. I understand analogies. This one is just shit, and you clearly agree.

[–]GravDragoon -1 points0 points ago

Despite the fact that it's taken somewhat out of context, this is still a fairly idiotic view of the education system. While not every kid can certainly get into school, once there it's up to them and their parents (as help) to succeed. If a kid struggles with learning something then they needs to use the resources they've got available to them (parents and teachers). Sometimes the parents are complete deadbeats and that's unfortunate to be sure, but when people and their perfectly competent parents complain about not being able to do well enough (or even sometimes better than some other kid) it's the student's fault for not putting in enough effort and it's the parents' fault for not trying to encourage their child enough/assist in the learning process (this is all barring any mental or physical deficiencies which have their own separate support groups/institutions already put in place).

[–]fregu149 1 point2 points ago

That picture is so god damn retarded.

[–]psychroclasm -1 points0 points ago

You say that, but we primates are on top. I like this test.

[–]mreliotrosewater 1 point2 points ago

In this thread: "Hey, guys! Sorry I'm late for book club. I couldn't find my copy of 'Atlas Shrugged.' What did I miss?"

[–]Sutekhy -2 points-1 points ago

This isn't true, black people don't excel in our education system.

[–]Alexxandria 0 points1 point ago

I'm sorry, but grade school is the easiest thing you'll do in your life, unless you have a legitimate learning disability. All you need to do is put forth a little effort and you'll be fine. Giving the same test to everyone isn't wrong and it doesn't group everyone together. It's teaching students the basics they NEED to know (speaking, writing, math, science...etc) in order to further their lives. Hence, afterwards: college/university, where you choose what you want to learn.

[–]CrucialBubbles 0 points1 point ago

Looks like Mr. Monkey is the one with the advantage here. On a related note, I don't think the elephant will get a very good grade.

[–]BigDickDan 0 points1 point ago

i think the bird has him beat

[–]dontemailscott 0 points1 point ago

wheres the ladder and the lowered hoops to jump through?

[–]dmellang04 1 point2 points ago

how the fuck did a penguin and seal make it to what i assume is Africa?!?!

[–]The_Painted_Man -2 points-1 points ago

TIL: I am a Goldfish needing to climb a tree.

[–]dropthehammer123 -2 points-1 points ago

But our education system doesn't benefit the monkeys

[–]Niceguy00007 -2 points-1 points ago

This sadly reminds me of the White Australia Policy