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[–]peacefulacrez 106 points107 points ago

There's just something i love about his expression in this picture. He looks more annoyed then intimidated, more like someone's dog has crapped on his lawn then someone's tried to threaten his life.

[–]gingerkid1234 54 points55 points ago

Indeed. It's an expression showing dignity in the face of intimidation that's really inspiring. That's true of much of the civil rights movement, and was by design.

[–]UnoriginalNickname 14 points15 points ago

I was going to say, "Dignity personified."

[–]Whipfather 1 point2 points ago

A true gentleman and scholar.

[–]CptQuestionMark 6 points7 points ago

I remember you.

[–]champcantwin 0 points1 point ago

Nah, he just didn't care cause he was at the telly banging prostitutes.

[–]upturn 44 points45 points ago

I don't even see annoyance. His expression is a difficult to see at this angle, but it reads to me as incredibly nonchalant matter-of-fact, as though he were merely pulling a weed out of his garden. I find that damn inspirational.

[–]RoflCopter4 8 points9 points ago

I can almost hear him saying "tsk tsk tsk," as though he's scolding a child.

[–]bantam83 2 points3 points ago

Appropriate - the kind of people that would do this have the intellectual capacity of children, but with none of the empathy.

[–]Bob_Fucking_Ross 9 points10 points ago

It doesn't take a stupid person to be racist.

[–]iwsfutcmd 1 point2 points ago

Actually, children are pretty lacking in the empathy department as well.

[–]bantam83 0 points1 point ago

Can be, sure, but I've seen a lot of compassion in kids, even if it means selfish actions that just turn out OK for others to - for example, kid A doesn't give a shit that kid B is a different skin color if he wants to play. Unless, of course, the child was taught otherwise. I think not having empathy is the result of mental illness and/or poisoning of their minds.

[–]The-Stranger 2 points3 points ago

I almost sensed a smile, as if he was amused that somebody took the time to do something so silly.

[–]thecoffee 33 points34 points ago

I'm just glad the symbol for the Christian God is not a baby in a manger.

[–]triplea20x 20 points21 points ago

Well the cross isn't just about "Jesus is God" it more represents the sacrifice Jesus gave up in death for our sins. It could just as easily be a noose. Of if say Jesus lived today, an Electric Chair. Imagine people hanging that from their necks

[–]danny841 5 points6 points ago

The cross popularly used to invoke Jesus' death probably wasn't even the type used to kill him. Historians agree that there were many types of crucifixion methods used in the time period. It was possibly an x shape. I'll have to go back to find some sources if anyone wants.

[–]rideswithbikes 0 points1 point ago

I want, please

[–]danny841 2 points3 points ago

I'm not at my computer right now but I'll do my best to give some examples from the bible itself and my history class. The word in the bible that gets translated to cross is actually Greek for "plank" or "stake". The Romans most used high tau or low tau crosses as well as trees. The low tau is the one which gets used in pop culture. Further the Catholic Encyclopedia states the cross is a pre-Christian symbol of worship. The cross was popularized by Constantine after his conversion. It's possible he used a cross because people would recognize the symbol.

EDIT: wiki is giving conflicting accounts. One source says the symbol was deeply tied with Christianity as early as 315 or so, about seventy years before Constantine. Another says it was not used until the 5th century. I tend to believe the Constantine story because he also saw the Chi Ro in his vision of conversion, a symbol not unlike the cross. I'll really have to see what the early Christian symbols were like when I get on a computer with database access.

[–]triplea20x 1 point2 points ago

What I read was that it was likely just a big pole, which makes sense because it's probably far easier to make and maintain, and I'm pretty sure I read that it brings death more quickly

[–]the_penultimate_user 1 point2 points ago

Suddenly it changes from a glorious sacrifice to weird people celebrating a recently executed felon.

Actually I think Jeffrey Dahmer said something similar to what you said in the movie "Dahmer".

[–]ryguydrummerboy 9 points10 points ago

I was wondering why he is bending over to pull it up rather than get closer to it and crouch down to pull it out - but then I realized he doesn't want to get that classless cross ash all over his shiny shoes.

[–]thewhitestars88 1 point2 points ago

It was also struck by his stance. You'd think Dr. King would know to lift with his knees!

[–]Ventronics 19 points20 points ago

Huh, the size of the cross really stuck out to me. I guess the movies only ever show the really dramatic burnings where the crosses are 2 stories high. Anyone know what size burning crosses typically were?

[–]triplea20x 53 points54 points ago

Really? I guess, being black, I've been seeing this kind of thing in movies and stuff since I was really little, but that is the exact size I think about whenever someone says cross burning.

And just thinking, I was really exposed to a lot when I was really little. I mean I was probably 3 or 4 when I first saw the image of Emmett Till WARNING PRETTY FUCKING DISTURBING IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT when he was beaten, and it's still something I remember today. And when I saw it, I knew the exact context too. That's what you look like when you get fucking beaten to death. When you think of stuff like that that it's easy to see why there's so much hatred in still in the black community today. I mean, he was 14, fucking 14, and he was beaten to death because he either whistled or said "Bye baby" to a white girl in a store. I mean even as I type it's making me angry because he was fucking 14 years old. And my Dad was alive when this happened. Like this isn't slavery or something. This is recent fucking history. I guess I just get bothered when people don't appreciate how important this is, and how the deep seeded racism still has effects within the Black community.

/end rant

[–]libyaitalia 27 points28 points ago

wow this is horrible, one of the murderers was interviewed in 1956, holy shit:

Well, what else could we do? He was hopeless. I'm no bully; I never hurt a nigger in my life. I like niggers—in their place—I know how to work 'em. But I just decided it was time a few people got put on notice. As long as I live and can do anything about it, niggers are gonna stay in their place. Niggers ain't gonna vote where I live. If they did, they'd control the government. They ain't gonna go to school with my kids. And when a nigger gets close to mentioning sex with a white woman, he's tired o' livin'. I'm likely to kill him. Me and my folks fought for this country, and we got some rights. I stood there in that shed and listened to that nigger throw that poison at me, and I just made up my mind. 'Chicago boy,' I said, 'I'm tired of 'em sending your kind down here to stir up trouble. Goddam you, I'm going to make an example of you—just so everybody can know how me and my folks stand.'

[–]danny841 2 points3 points ago

The best punishment for him would be interracial porn on an infinite loop for the rest of his life.

[–]iwsfutcmd 6 points7 points ago

If internalized homophobia has taught me anything, that guy would be secretly all about that shit.

[–]hoopstick 1 point2 points ago

Disclaimer: I know there's no understanding this kind of thinking. None of it makes any sense to a rational-thinking person. That said...

Niggers ain't gonna vote where I live. If they did, they'd control the government.

What the fuck is the reasoning behind that? Are they magical beings that can instantly influence hundreds of millions of people the minute they get suffrage? He must have an enormous amount of respect for black people if the reason he doesn't want them to vote is because they're too good at it.

[–]DivineKing 4 points5 points ago

That's what you look like when you get fucking beaten to death.

I don't think the beating had much to do with how he looked there. That's what you look like when your dead body is submerged in water for three days.

[–]dividezero 9 points10 points ago

The point being that it was a 14 year old kid who was berated, tortured, killed and hidden in a swamp/river/whatever. The only reason he was found was because of a federal investigation. Almost the entire state government was in the Klan, especially the cops.

[–]karpify2 2 points3 points ago

I was watching this clip from Bill Maher's show in which Christine O'Donnell utterly fails to comprehend the history of US civil rights. When you look at Emmett Till and also the case in Mississippi with the deaths of 3 civil rights workers, it becomes pretty dumbfounded to say that states would be as effective in enforcing social justice laws as the federal government. In both cases the feds had to come in to protect civil rights. And of course you could mention Little Rock and the list goes on...

[–]danny841 0 points1 point ago

Ugh

[–]dividezero 0 points1 point ago

I know what you mean. I know there's a lot of libertarians and states rights sheep but seriously, the track record on this is terrible.

Any time any decision to do something even remotely human rights related, the states screw it up. Not all states but it only takes a few to drag the whole country with them.

All the libertarians can get butt hurt all they want but the data says otherwise and we're working with over 300 years of data if you count our time under England when we thought it'd be cool to use people as property just because their skin was a different color. The federal level is no saint either but we seem to do better when operating on a unified front.

[–]simeon94 4 points5 points ago

I learned about Emmett Till in my history course (it's as well known a piece of history in England, so I hadn't heard about it before) and it made me furious as well.

Even he had seriously insulted that woman, or worse, tried something on (as if he ever would have, for God's sake) any small amount of violence would still have been too harsh. But to brutally torture, kill and heartlessly dispose of such a young boy in response to a harmless off-hand comment... it's almost too much to fully process.

[–]BodePlot 1 point2 points ago

And again, this was in living memory. I remember when I thought that overt racism was a thing of the distant past.

[–]triplea20x 1 point2 points ago

Yes, exactly. I'm not saying "Oh he was an innocent little angel" fuck no. He was a 14 year old acting like a 14 year old. He didn't deserve to get beaten to death by two grown ass men and left in a river

[–]dazwah 0 points1 point ago

When the jury came back into the court relatively quickly with the acquittal of the defendants in Emmett Till's murder, they said they would have been quicker, but they went out to get lunch.

[–]graziemille 1 point2 points ago

We learnt about Emmett Till in England on our A-Level history course (16-18 qualification, pre-college) and as part of it our history teacher played us The Death of Emmett Till by Bob Dylan. I think a lot of people actually learn about history through music, particularly for me as someone from an Irish family, I learn of my heritage through the history in folk songs.

The sickening extent of the oppression of African-Americans ignited my love of history more than anything I've ever studied. I'm now going into my third year at university and I'm going to do my dissertation on the Civil Rights Movement.

I think everything you just legitimately ranted about I've heard myself saying to my friends, my family, anybody that would listen. It's one of those stories everybody needs to hear, a lesson that everybody needs to learn, regardless of your background. The civil rights struggle isn't something just for the black community of America to be educated on, or even only Americans. It's something we all need to know.

[–]gliscameria -1 points0 points ago

This was a crime done by ignorant rednecks, not white people.

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[–]IS_THIS_A_COMMENT[!] -3 points-2 points ago

No one will ever agree with you here because reddit doesn't like people who don't follow the crowd, if it matters I agree with you

Some of them were slaves for a couple hundred years?

They weren't doing work that white people hadnt done before, and after...

What annoys me even more is that I doubt many of the blacks in America even descended from slaves, they most likely emmigrated to the United states for job opportunities or something

I don't see why we should be forced to apologize and sympathize for something neither me, my father, my grandfather, my great grandfather or my great great grandfather and so on done.

Slavery has happened to every race, get over it.

[–]SalientBlue 1 point2 points ago

This thread isn't about slavery, not directly. It's about the racism that caused slavery, the Till murder, and countless other similar murders. One of the perpetrators of the Till murder died unrepentant in 1994. That's within your lifetime. The hate that caused that murder still exists and still kills people, whether they were descended from slaves or not.

[–]Redwraithvienna 3 points4 points ago

I guess it depends. At a klan meeting where they had time to prepare the big sort was probably not uncommon or rather normal. Here they probably didnt have much time to put it up and it had to be mobile in the first place it was smaller. I guess they came with a truck, had it prepared rammed it into the ground, put it on fire and left

[–]namepitched 2 points3 points ago

The cross size surprised me too. But I guess that's the size it has to be if you are looking to get away with it.

[–]dividezero 2 points3 points ago

I'm not sure they actually used those. I think they were just in movies for effect. Can you imagine using one this size to convey the terror of the act to people who didn't experience it first hand or ever will?

It also takes a lot of time to erect a 20' tall structure, possibly douse it in fuel and set it on fire. Probably enough time for the national guard to show up.

I did see footage of giant crosses being burned at Klan rallies so they did exist.

[–]weirdload 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, strange isn't it? That's the first thing I noticed too. The Ku Klux Klan were clearly on a tight budget.

[–]MaxLemon 1 point2 points ago

Can you give me a link? It seemed to have 404'd.

[–]DCdavid7 6 points7 points ago

Wikipedia 404'd? That seems unlikely, but I'll copy paste some for you:

Cross burning or cross lighting is a practice widely associated with the Ku Klux Klan, although the historical practice long predates the Klan's inception. In the early 20th century, the Klan burnt crosses on hillsides or near the homes of those they wished to intimidate.

Sign of the Ku Klux Klan

The first era, reconstruction Klans did not burn crosses. The idea was introduced by Thomas Dixon, Jr., in his novel, The Clansman in 1905. A cross burning is first described in Book IV Chapter 2 "The Fiery Cross" on pp. 324–6 of the 1905 edition. It is introduced by one of the characters as "the old Scottish rite of the burning cross. It will send a thrill of inspiration to to every clansmen in the hills." It is further elaborated that

In olden times when the Chieftain of our people summoned the clan on an errand of life and death, the Fiery Cross, extinguished in sacrificial blood, was sent by swift courier from village to village. This call was never made in vain, nor will it be to-night in the new world. Here, on this spot made holy ground by the blood of those we hold dearer than life, I raise the ancient symbol of an unconquered race of men—

This scene is accompanied by an unnumbered plate illustration by Arthur I. Keller, captioned "'The fiery cross of old Scotland's hills'", showing two robed, unmasked Klansmen over the body of a dead African-American, one of whom is holding a lighted cross, while robed and hooded klansmen look on. The novel ends with a klansmen waiting for election results stating "Look at our lights on the mountains! They are ablaze - range on range our signals gleam until the Fiery Cross is lost among the stars" meaning that he had won and "civilization" had been saved in the South. The fiery cross is mentioned once again in The Traitor when a Grand Dragon tosses a burning cross on a heap of discarded Klan robes and regalia in obedience to the order of the Grand Dragon to dissolve the order. This scene is accompanied by an illustration captioned "Some of the men were sobbing" by Charles David Williams featuring a gathering of Klansmen over a burning pile of robes, carrying three burning crosses.

The first instance of a cross being burned in the United States was when the Knights of Mary Phagan, the group that had lynched Leo Frank, burned a large cross atop Stone Mountain, outside of Atlanta on Oct. 16, 1915. That Thanksgiving William J. Simmons and members of the Knights of Mary Phagan met again on Stone mountain to burn a cross and initiate a new organization - the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, the most important Klan group of the Second Era.

Many Christians consider it sacrilege to burn or otherwise destroy a cross. Klan Christians, however, state that it is not destroying the cross, but "lighting" it, as a symbol of the members' faith.

[–]MaxLemon 0 points1 point ago

The picture I mean. Sorry I wasn't clear.

[–]Drybones5 5 points6 points ago

Only 50 years ago these events took place. Now-a-days the youth don't have the discrimination against race or orientation like their previous family once had. Pretty amazing the progress these civil rights workers got.

[–]DontWorryImaPirate 3 points4 points ago

t? t...time to... leave?

[–]FirstToAdmitIt 1 point2 points ago

Satire is funny. And I'm not racist for thinking that.

[–]420Qween 1 point2 points ago

The kid is facepalming.

[–]FirstToAdmitIt 1 point2 points ago

He looks so damn dignified.

[–]bobsagetfullhouse 1 point2 points ago

I wonder how this man did not live in constant fear for his life. Can you just imagine being hated by that many people? You have to know one out there is going to do everythign in their power to murder you. And thats just what happened.

[–]Wonderwombat 1 point2 points ago

It'd be awesome if it was still on fire and he was removing it with the same expression.

[–]duelingkazoos 0 points1 point ago

...Look at that tiny cross...I just don't feel like they tried very hard...

[–]bowhunter6274 -3 points-2 points ago

What is that? A cross for ants??

[–]figbar 0 points1 point ago

Dat tiny cross... What is this, a klan for ants?

[–]mudgeeboy -4 points-3 points ago

't'....time to leave.

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[–]upturn 6 points7 points ago

That was South Park, not Family Guy.

[–]MaxLemon -1 points0 points ago

Get your garbage out of here.

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[–]sprashoo 21 points22 points ago

He was a public figure you moron. A burned cross on his lawn was at least local news.

[–]dividezero 6 points7 points ago

He also was very rarely alone once the movement started rolling.

[–]mship 6 points7 points ago

Lol, one of the most famous people in the history of America, who was restlessly attacked, having reporters follow him around is doubtful?