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A Muslim man wrote a local ice cream company asking a question. This is the reply he received. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]GroovySock 289 points290 points ago

I hope I won't get judge mental next time I'm in court!

[–]MovesLikeAgger 111 points112 points ago

Judge Dredd's slightly unorthodox new partner.

[–]Apostolate_waitress 33 points34 points ago

Judge Reinhold's a much better bet if you're a cute girl...

[–]snecko 38 points39 points ago

MOCK TRIAL WITH J REINHOLD

[–]Ugbrog 8 points9 points ago

My name is Judge!

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    [–]IMprollyWRONG 10 points11 points ago

    Pretty awesome super villain name.

    [–]ChickinSammich 17 points18 points ago

    Judge Mental

    [–]numerica 4 points5 points ago

    I've been brainwashed to make "Ooo-eee-ooo" noise every time I see Mentok. Damn you Colbert!

    [–]ChickinSammich 5 points6 points ago

    I think it's virtually impossible to say "Mentok the Mind Taker". You have to say "MENtok, the MIND taker!" with emphasis on those two syllables.

    [–]d3l3t3 5 points6 points ago

    I stopped watching Judge Judy a long time ago. Wait, which judge was it again?

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      [–]FZinger 340 points341 points ago

      I thought his comment was very polite, I can't believe he was answered that way.

      [–]Geckos[!] 29 points30 points ago

      Here is a news article on this:

      http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/economy/article_ff552994-07fc-11e2-889a-001a4bcf887a.html

      “I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan,” Schaeffer said. “It wasn’t a racist comment… It was just an honest mistake.” From there, the comment took on a life of its own, he said. People posted such nasty things on the Wilcoxson’s page that he deleted it and said, “It’s no longer going to be in existence.” “I apologize if he took it wrong, that’s not what I meant by it. I guess I didn’t read the whole thing,” Schaeffer said. But the reaction to the answer “was bad. There were cuss words. It was just bad, so I just took (the Facebook page) down.” Five comments calling Wilcoxson’s a racist company and calling for a boycott have been posted to its Yelp page as of 11 a.m. The Reddit thread has hundreds of posts. Schaeffer said he also responded to the unidentified Facebook user’s question. All flavors of Wilcoxson’s ice cream contain kosher gelatin, he said.

      [–]Zapatista77 9 points10 points ago

      Sounds like PR damage control. If what he says is true then the real question is:

      "What made you think he was making the comment from Pakistan?" He had to have had SOME information that would suggest he was commenting from Pakistan, so what was it?

      The answer is nothing about that dudes comment would have suggested he was from Pakistan. This Schaeffer fella saw "I'm a Muslim" and responded with some ignorant shit.

      [–]jizz_bomb 10 points11 points ago

      The real question is;

      Why isn't somebody from Pakistan (or anywhere else for that matter) entitled to know the ingredient of their ice cream?

      His geography is irrelevant.

      [–]szechwean 3 points4 points ago

      If the guy was in Pakistan how would he even know about the ice cream to ask questions about it? After all, THEY DON'T SHIP TO PAKISTAN.

      [–]Pistolfist 2 points3 points ago

      I'm really sorry to do this to you because I absolutely agree with your post, just.. well, this is Reddit after all.

      [–]Geckos[!] 0 points1 point ago

      The article mentions that he thought there was a Pakistan icon or something along those lines next to their username.

      [–]amandatoryy 7 points8 points ago

      It clearly says 'near Sheridan, WY' right under his post.

      [–]Geckos[!] 4 points5 points ago

      It's possible that they changed it, fan page owners don't always see the same thing the fans do, either. That being said, I'm not trying to defend the owner, just mention what could have happened.

      [–]elpaw 0 points1 point ago

      kosher gelatin

      He's Muslim, not Jewish ಠ_ಠ

      [–]EHoffman922 29 points30 points ago

      Well Kosher implies no pork, so he should be fine. Kosher and Halal aren't too different.

      [–]SalamBro 5 points6 points ago

      Actually Kosher is Halal. The food of "Ahl al kitab" (people of the book so christains and jews) is allowed for muslims. This is, however, arguably in reference to back when they used to be concerned about the way their meat is slaughtered (which isn't the case for christians today if I'm correct).

      [–]herapotter 1 point2 points ago

      "Kosher gelatin" is often what is listed on ingredient labels.

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          [–]ILookLikeJohnStamos 44 points45 points ago

          maybe it is a bait and switch? does fb show if comments have been edited afterwards?

          [–]Ibitemynails 47 points48 points ago

          Yes.

          [–]9h057 40 points41 points ago

          But deleted comments don't show.

          [–]wasniahC 43 points44 points ago

          Interesting.. So in theory, the guy could have posted his question.. Then added another thing saying "By the way, I live in pakistan", and deleted it after?

          [–]muddzm 28 points29 points ago

          I think it's unlikely because then the company would have answered the initial question, too.

          [–]Bardlar 2 points3 points ago

          Not necessarily. If that question indeed was posed, I could see how one might think answering the prior is pointless.

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            [–]mandazi 9 points10 points ago

            Except Facebook add the location of his comment on the page which is in Sheridan, WY, which borders Montana.

            [–]dangerRAMEN 7 points8 points ago

            His location is shown under his comment though..

            [–]9h057 30 points31 points ago

            Yes, thus making the company look bad.

            [–]guekama 99 points100 points ago

            Subtle terrorism.

            [–]9h057 50 points51 points ago

            We will take america down one ice cream store at a time!

            [–]mikemccann 3 points4 points ago

            NOOOOOO!!!!!!! Call in the Team America World Police to save our ice cream!!!!

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              [–]Rocket_hamster 7 points8 points ago

              With firefox, if you have firebug, you can edit text,pictures and other things. This company may not even exist.

              Seen in this picture. http://i.imgur.com/ykTju.png

              EDIT: I GET IT, IT IS A REAL PLACE PLEASE STOP TELLING ME.

              [–]wootmonster 9 points10 points ago

              It exists. It's an ice cream company in Montana.

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                  [–]SeriouslyFuckYouOP 2 points3 points ago

                  but thats nothing clonestamp cant fix

                  [–]imawombat 14 points15 points ago

                  if you edit your comment on facebook, it says "edited" towards the bottom of the comment

                  [–]LeeTaeRyeo 0 points1 point ago

                  I think it's supposed to (much like here on Reddit).

                  [–]Detectiveoftheeast 11 points12 points ago

                  Not to be rude, but you saying that is really really rude. You're instantly trying to assume it wasn't the company who was rude, but instead the muslim. You should knock of that hat of thinking. Just my 2 cents.

                  [–]woodycanuck 31 points32 points ago

                  No he isn't. He asked a question suggesting that maybe people have made an assumption that could be wrong. It's called skepticism. It is, in fact, the opposite of what you're accusing him of doing. But nice try.

                  [–]frvwfr2 5 points6 points ago

                  I think it's more that he can't believe a company would respond in such a way.

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                    [–]Geckos[!] 1 point2 points ago

                    There was a facebook page that was quickly taken down ... I was thinking there was a bait and switch but I guess we won't know right away.

                    [–]homologymap 1 point2 points ago

                    I think it's pretty damn rude to assume someone's from Pakistan because they're Muslim.

                    [–]whitew0lf 51 points52 points ago

                    couldn't find the company on facebook

                    [–]3rdie 66 points67 points ago

                    They deleted it

                    [–]jdgrafton 64 points65 points ago

                    Pussies.

                    [–]Riding_Bears_ 25 points26 points ago

                    They knew what was coming for them. Didn't want to deal with the shitstorm of hate that was going to roll in

                    [–]Niqulaz 38 points39 points ago

                    And that's the wrong way to handle it.

                    Stonewalling will do you jack shit, and people will find other channels to hammer you. The only right way to handle this, is to be as apologetic as possible.

                    "We apologize for the fact that one of our employees behaved like an idiot while representing the company.
                    We considered firing the person responsible for the reply, but found that to be too kind. So instead he has been order to report to mandatory sensitivity training.
                    We find that to be a more cruel and unusual form of punishment."

                    *BAM*
                    Handled.

                    People want to see that actions have consequences, first and foremost.

                    [–]3rdie 5 points6 points ago

                    I've always wondered... isn't first and foremost repetitively redundant?

                    [–]stoic9 12 points13 points ago

                    "First" is an ordinal notation, "Foremost" is a qualitative assessment. At least in some contexts.

                    [–]Niqulaz 1 point2 points ago

                    Idioms often are.

                    [–]garbagecanman1 4 points5 points ago

                    I think of it as the opposite of "last but not least". Or the contrapositive... or the... I forget what to call it.

                    [–]Trollatio_Caine 2 points3 points ago

                    Isn't 'repetitively redundant' redundant?

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                      [–]Bloqhead 0 points1 point ago

                      I pictured storm clouds rolling in and a store owner closing his doors early. Symbolic.

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                            [–]jackdagnuls 4 points5 points ago

                            Ask if they can ship some to Pakistan.

                            [–]Roached_N_Weeded 14 points15 points ago

                            Oh wilcoxson's.....making us all look like imbred red necks.... people, I am from Montana, familiar with this brand, it is one of the more popular ones in Montana for it's local product status. And Now i would like to say this company shouldn't suffer from one racist, misinformed, stupid worker. They are definitely NOT the model of ethical business, but they definitely are not taking a chic-fil-a style anti-muslim stance. This isn't a racist company. It simply made the mistake of hiring a racist worker, something that might not be apparent right away, mostly due to the low amounts of diversity in Montana. My friend of Persian decent had to deal with endless ignorance, always calling him a Paki or Arab. The point is, if you want to make angry letters and phone calls, find the guy who actually did it.

                            TL;DR: This company doesn't deserve mass spam from one racist employee, they are pretty small time and not worth the energy or time.

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                              [–]civildefense 3 points4 points ago

                              what the hell does a wholesale ice cream company need a facebook page for.

                              [–]wiltedbouquet 14 points15 points ago

                              everyone must be on facebook, citizen. what are you hiding?

                              [–]SpruceCaboose 1 point2 points ago

                              From a company point of view, a Facebook page is a very low cost way to both have a presence on the web (eliminating most need for a more costly website) as well as giving them very cheap and accessible advertisement.

                              Basically, there is very little reason for a business not to have a Facebook page.

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                                [–]superjaberwocky 14 points15 points ago

                                The company responds: http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/economy/article_ff552994-07fc-11e2-889a-001a4bcf887a.html

                                [–]yellowboheme 2 points3 points ago

                                Thanks for posting this! It needs to be upvoted. I figured there was some explanation for that off-the-wall response.

                                Worst part: "Schaeffer said he also responded to the unidentified Facebook user’s question. All flavors of Wilcoxson’s ice cream contain kosher gelatin, he said."

                                [–]RedditTreasures 15 points16 points ago

                                Called them, (406) 259-6572; woman said her manager thought the answer would "be funny", and that they pulled down the FB page. Woman said "well, we are from Montana..." Guy in the background said "tell them we're not racist, we have colored TVs" ಠ_ಠ

                                [–]Rwarsome 2 points3 points ago

                                Did this really happen?

                                [–]RedditTreasures 4 points5 points ago

                                You really think someone would just go on the Internet and tell lies?

                                [–]Trollatio_Caine 123 points124 points ago

                                If the asker files a lawsuit against the company, they're going to get creamed.

                                [–]shitjustaintcray 63 points64 points ago

                                *cookies and creamed

                                [–]Yourius 20 points21 points ago

                                Well that's how the cookie crumbles.

                                [–]Nitnux 26 points27 points ago

                                At least their assets are already frozen.

                                [–]Felfriast 5 points6 points ago

                                This was such a cold reply, Ice creamed!

                                [–]qervem 3 points4 points ago

                                You could even say that the company was dairy-ing for posting that moolicious statement.

                                [–]Dvwtf 13 points14 points ago

                                If he wins the lawsuit, you can sherbet he'll be rolling in dough.

                                [–]Pykoh 21 points22 points ago

                                The racism in that company sends a chill down my spine.

                                [–]LlamaswithMachetes 9 points10 points ago

                                That company was just cold.

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                                  [–]gingersluck 2 points3 points ago

                                  YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

                                  [–]Labut 3 points4 points ago

                                  For what? I know it's popular to think this but you actually have to have a reason to sue in court. What would he sue for?

                                  [–]ME4T 31 points32 points ago

                                  Trollatio_Caine wasn't being serious. He was just looking for an excuse to use the pun "they're going to get creamed."

                                  [–]Trollatio_Caine 5 points6 points ago

                                  Thank you.

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                                    [–]MimeGod 10 points11 points ago

                                    It was a pun, not a serious statement. This is Reddit, you should know better.

                                    [–]Marz_The_Damaja 0 points1 point ago

                                    From what I can tell you can't sue for this, I don't know what these guys are talking about.

                                    [–]Rosie2jz 0 points1 point ago

                                    For nothing really he has no case at all. It was a slightly racist comment but that's no grounds for a lawsuit.

                                    [–]Labut 3 points4 points ago

                                    Sue for hurt feelings lol

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                                      [–]spinemangler 3 points4 points ago

                                      Especially if Judge Mental is the judge!

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                                        [–]Trollatio_Caine 58 points59 points ago

                                        Considering the timing of the company's response (I think it was at about 7:00pm Montana time), I'm wondering if this is a disgruntled employee or someone with access to the page. Considering owners may have nothing to do with facebook, I am also wondering if they have any idea of what is going on atm.

                                        Not that it gives an excuse for whomever posted the reply of course.

                                        [–]rooke2021 29 points30 points ago

                                        I do not know where you got the time from. The only thing the post says is the OP posted it on the wall at 9:28 PM and the companies comment was three hours old. The company could have responded whenever and the poster of this reddit post found the comments 3 hours after.

                                        [–]Trollatio_Caine 4 points5 points ago

                                        I first came across the post (actually reading it on Facebook and observing the posted times) a few hours after it was posted. I visited the page at 9:00pm and had the notification "posted 3 hrs ago", meaning it would have been posted at about 6:00pm my time (Pacific). Montana time is one hour ahead, so 7:00pm Montana time.

                                        [–]MmmCremeEggs 18 points19 points ago

                                        Usually the people running FB pages for companies are within PR, so no excuse really.

                                        [–]Golden-Calf 53 points54 points ago

                                        Not for small companies, I highly doubt that a local ice-cream shop would have a PR department.

                                        [–]Missfreeland 33 points34 points ago

                                        A bar in my town pays a 16 year old girl to manage their Facebook and twitter

                                        [–]jdgrafton 19 points20 points ago

                                        And it's full of "inspirational quotes" and likewhore posts, right?

                                        [–]Missfreeland 34 points35 points ago

                                        Like this if you love ice cream! Keep scrolling if you want to die tonight

                                        [–]kingguru 14 points15 points ago

                                        She probably manages that better than any PR department could do.

                                        EDIT: Thought I needed to elaborate a bit.

                                        I was not being sarcastic. I would actually imagine that a 16 year old girl would be quite good at knowing how to promote stuff on social media, whereas my experience with PR departments has been that they are full of hot air and buzz words.

                                        That's just my opinion of course. There are definitely very talented PR departments out there and 16 year old girls who have no idea how to promote something on social media, but if I were to promote my company on Twitter and Facebook I would definitely consider hiring a high school student for that.

                                        [–]wanderingtroglodyte 15 points16 points ago

                                        Probably not

                                        [–]silenc3x 2 points3 points ago

                                        somehow I doubt a 16 year old girl would beat out a team of paid PR professionals...

                                        [–]Missfreeland 8 points9 points ago

                                        She would be more in touch with what trends with what fellow 16 year old kids spending money would want maybe???

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                                          [–]wanderingstar625 6 points7 points ago

                                          Wilcoxson's isn't THAT small. I lived in Billings, it's more than just a "local ice-cream shop". More like a regional ice cream chain.

                                          [–]Geohump 2 points3 points ago

                                          Wilcoxon's has a total of 22 employees according to an article published in their local newspaper. It may indeed be a regional ice cream brand. But it doesn't take very many people to make a lot of ice cream. It does take a lot of cows! :-)

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                                            [–]josephpatricks 5 points6 points ago

                                            they outsource it to pakistan.

                                            [–]RyanThePhotog 4 points5 points ago

                                            One of my responsibilities within public affairs at the air force Base I work at is to run our Facebook. I would absolutely be brought up on ucmj charges if I ever did something like that.

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                                              [–]sw2010 45 points46 points ago

                                              Dammit, I grew up in Sheridan... This doesn't surprise me at all. If any of you have been to Wyoming or Montana you know those are two of the most racially homogeneous states in the nation. People from there are blind to any sort of culture that isn't their small town, white majority, sheltered world. Once I moved away and went to college in a much larger, more diverse town (OK it isn't that much more diverse, but still exponentially more so than Wyoming) I realized how immature the mindset was of my peers. Many of them don't vote for Obama, 'because he is black', and everyone of Arabic dissent is named Osama Bin Laden.

                                              Edit: Words are hard

                                              I haven't been back to my hometown in almost two years now.

                                              [–]StarlingV 18 points19 points ago

                                              *Arabic descent ftfy

                                              [–]Crusty_nipples 9 points10 points ago

                                              well to be fair Osama Bin Laden was of Arabic dissent...

                                              [–]gder 7 points8 points ago

                                              Not to mention that Sheridan is a shit hole in the middle of nowhere. Good place to be from.

                                              [–]sw2010 2 points3 points ago

                                              From Sheridan? If you are, odds are I know you or your family. Small town syndrome.

                                              [–]gder 2 points3 points ago

                                              Haha, No :) but I've been through that way a couple of times and stayed a week in Sheridan. I live in CO but close enough to WY that I've seen probably 3/4 of the state.

                                              [–]arrjaay 9 points10 points ago

                                              Good to know, as a brown person I will not be going anywhere near that town ever.

                                              [–]FancySack 3 points4 points ago

                                              I've always been interested in visiting Montana (I like nature). Unfortunately, my appreciation for nature has led me to places where non whites are allowed but snickered at.

                                              Are there any places in Montana that is welcoming to US citizens that aren't white?

                                              EDIT: at "but" to a "that"

                                              [–]itsdevinn 5 points6 points ago

                                              Missoula, Montana is a pretty good place to go. It's a college town, so we have a bit more diversity here than some other places. It's also really beautiful and a short distance from a lot of cool nature hikes and sights. Try asking /r/Montana where some good places are to visit are as well. I swear we are not all that bad!

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                                                [–]itsdevinn 2 points3 points ago

                                                I wouldn't characterize all of Montana that way. I live in Western Montana and its pretty rare that I stumble upon this type of arrogance. Granted it isn't very diverse, but it is growing. I have lived here for 23 years and have only met a handful of people who would refuse to vote for or be kind to someone because of their race.

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                                                  [–]d3l3t3 31 points32 points ago

                                                  WTF? Is the company PR from 4chan or something?

                                                  [–]Canoga88 12 points13 points ago

                                                  Small world. I know this guy IRL. Saw this on facebook lol

                                                  [–]thecrownprince 25 points26 points ago

                                                  Damn thats fucked up.

                                                  [–]hotape6 21 points22 points ago

                                                  You know... they really don't deliver outside of Montana. From what I can glean from google, this is a tiny tiny company that sells ice cream wholesale only. They apparently never advertise and yet the've been around for a century. It's an interesting story and unfortunate they're now tied to bigotry.

                                                  [–]lotheann 16 points17 points ago

                                                  From Montana. You can buy their ice cream at Albertsons or Walmart here. I have never seen any advertisements for them but they are very popular here. I highly doubt that if you showed this to everyone in Montana that it would affect their business much.

                                                  [–]jmoney73 0 points1 point ago

                                                  i'm not going to stop buying their products.

                                                  [–]DISLODGED_TAMPON 3 points4 points ago

                                                  I highly doubt that if you showed this to everyone in Montana that it would affect their business much.

                                                  That's really disheartening to hear.

                                                  [–]Nimrod41544 2 points3 points ago

                                                  Are you surprised there are parts of the U.S. that are more racist than others?

                                                  [–]DISLODGED_TAMPON 2 points3 points ago

                                                  No, not surprised, but still disappointed.

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                                                      [–]YellowSharkMT 11 points12 points ago

                                                      Another Montanan here. Wilcoxson's makes the best ice cream, no fooling... low air, high fat, the shit's just made right. Too bad they've got a racist jerk running their FB page, though.

                                                      [–]wanderingstar625 7 points8 points ago

                                                      This is the proper response! Former Montanan, their ice cream really is awesome, and I highly doubt that whoever running their Facebook is actually representing the company as a whole.

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                                                        [–]tomdarch 4 points5 points ago

                                                        How long until the former partial governor of Alaska is posting photos of themselves with this ice cream on Facebook?

                                                        [–]Buckeyesmt 18 points19 points ago

                                                        As a Montanan I can tell you that their ice cream is in fact quite good.

                                                        [–]clanspanker 3 points4 points ago

                                                        Well the quality of their ice cream will be overshadowed by the bigotry of this employee.

                                                        [–]swagmallet 6 points7 points ago

                                                        This has never happened. Give me one example of a company losing substantial business over something like this.

                                                        [–]tehgama95 0 points1 point ago

                                                        Chic-Fil A?

                                                        [–]swagmallet 5 points6 points ago

                                                        Nothing happened to them.

                                                        [–]finallycreatedaname 1 point2 points ago

                                                        Their business has increased.

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                                                          [–]YCANTUSTFU 15 points16 points ago

                                                          Glad to see this has already been posted on Yelp.

                                                          [–]dtjb 11 points12 points ago

                                                          Despite having absolutely no proof other than a imgur link submitted to reddit.

                                                          [–]Trollatio_Caine 7 points8 points ago

                                                          Though their entire page is no longer, I did get the chance to visit it last night and saw exactly the comments posted. Additionally you can still see some of their pages cached to google if you wanted to verify that the page actually existed at some point.

                                                          [–]gueriLLaPunK 2 points3 points ago

                                                          Company president Matt Schaeffer said in a phone interview that he responded around 7 a.m., “We don’t deliver outside of Montana, certainly not Pakistan.”

                                                          http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/economy/article_ff552994-07fc-11e2-889a-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=story

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                                                            [–]Brockbfball1563 3 points4 points ago

                                                            I thought it was going to end with the guy admitting he lives in Pakistan.

                                                            [–]KixStar 8 points9 points ago

                                                            Huh. Apparently their FB doesn't exist anymore. Awesome.

                                                            [–]3rdie 7 points8 points ago

                                                            Ha I just looked for it myself. It still appears in googles search results though but leads to a dead facebook page.

                                                            [–]Reddstarrx 5 points6 points ago

                                                            Does anyone else still wonder if this flavor has pork in it?

                                                            [–]multiplesifl 5 points6 points ago

                                                            I think "we only use cow gelatin" would have sufficed. I hope this is fake.

                                                            [–]Thithyphuth 8 points9 points ago

                                                            There's already a negative review on Yelp

                                                            http://www.yelp.com/biz/wilcoxsons-ice-cream-billings

                                                            They're asking for the company to be "Banned"

                                                            Little much if you ask me. Don't support them for sure if you want.

                                                            [–]SayceGards 4 points5 points ago

                                                            They're asking for the company to be "Banned"

                                                            banned... from yelp? Because I don't think you can ban a whole company for saying something stupid.

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                                                              [–]kaijunexus 6 points7 points ago

                                                              The sad part is, for every average customer they would lose as a result of this, they will gain two ignorant middle America customers who will buy their ice cream only to support the hate...cause, 'MERICA!

                                                              [–]pacman404 7 points8 points ago

                                                              Yup. The chick-Fil-a effect.

                                                              [–]whut 7 points8 points ago

                                                              Judge

                                                              Mental

                                                              [–]auraaurora 0 points1 point ago

                                                              Plus, they have a friend who is a redditor.

                                                              [–]SuperLincoln 2 points3 points ago

                                                              I more facepalmed about Judge Mental.

                                                              [–]bodaciousbilly 1 point2 points ago

                                                              Honorable Judge mental, presiding.

                                                              [–]tmc_throwaway 7 points8 points ago

                                                              The company is run by a reclusive 89 year old who refuses interviews. I'm guessing he's probably an old racist fuck.

                                                              [–]Wummies 3 points4 points ago

                                                              I hate people who are judge mental!

                                                              [–]Breakfast_Cereal 2 points3 points ago

                                                              What the hell kind of ice cream has pork in it? EDIT: ok I get it, I'm an idiot.

                                                              [–]Pykoh 34 points35 points ago

                                                              Gelatin is sometimes made of pig or horse hooves. This is obviously a concern for those who can't eat pork.

                                                              [–]devicerandom -2 points-1 points ago

                                                              those who don't want to eat pork.

                                                              FTFY

                                                              (unless we talk of people with pork collagen allergies).

                                                              Note that I am not anti-Muslim, it's a simple matter of clarifying what we're talking about. They guy can eat pork, he only decided not to do it.

                                                              [–]BROnamedJOE 44 points45 points ago

                                                              You're one of those people who become teachers just to make students say "May I use the bathroom?" rather than "Can I use the bathroom?"

                                                              [–]isdnpro 10 points11 points ago

                                                              "May I use the bathroom?" rather than "Can I use the bathroom?"

                                                              I was like "Oh shit, I've been saying it wrong for years, this is going to be a hard change to make", then I realised I'd have bigger problems if I was asking to use the toilet at this age

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                                                                [–]RockDrill 24 points25 points ago

                                                                People with pork collagen allergies can eat pork too, they just don't want to because they don't like the resulting allergic reaction. As you've just shown, it's reasonable to say one can't do something when there's a significant penalty for doing so. For a muslim, eating pork has a significant penalty, and so it's reasonable to say they can't eat pork.

                                                                What you really mean is that you don't think breaking religious doctrine should have a significant penalty for religious people, presumably because there's no significant penalty for you.

                                                                "Can't" often comes with an implied "otherwise x will happen". Like I can't wear jean shorts to work (otherwise I'll be fired). Or you can't punch your neighbour (otherwise you'll be arrested). It's churlish to point out what is already implied as if the speaker is ignorant of their own choices.

                                                                Sure, sometimes people are unaware of their own choices. But that's not the case here. Nobody thinks muslims literally cannot eat pork.

                                                                [–]OMFGrhombus 6 points7 points ago

                                                                Quit being obtuse. It's obvious what we're talking about.

                                                                [–]mmarmar 5 points6 points ago

                                                                I'm a vegetarian and when someone says "I can't eat" some kind of meat, I remind them myself that I can eat whatever I want.

                                                                [–]SMMBG 6 points7 points ago

                                                                His religious beliefs state that he can't, it's a sin. Not really much of a choice.

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                                                                  [–]Aoife246 15 points16 points ago

                                                                  gelatin is made from boiled animal bones and hides so as a vegetarian i can understand the gentleman's concerns

                                                                  [–]sasha0827 7 points8 points ago

                                                                  Mmmm. Bacon ice cream.

                                                                  [–]w2red 4 points5 points ago

                                                                  Uh... soft-serve for one. It's basically just pork fat and sugar or, failing that, palm oil and sugar.

                                                                  [–]Riding_Bears_ 1 point2 points ago

                                                                  My favourite

                                                                  [–]w2red 2 points3 points ago

                                                                  It's not a real meal unless it has a variety of fats.

                                                                  [–]Geohump 0 points1 point ago

                                                                  I don't think you're an idiot. Most people have no idea how gelatin is made. In fact if we did understand better how gelatin is made, we probably wouldn't be interested in eating anything that has gelatin in it.

                                                                  For those of you who are really interested in finding out, I suggest checking out Wikipedia and see what they say about gelatin.

                                                                  [–]DeNeil10 3 points4 points ago

                                                                  is location is right there.. can't even say it was an "honest mistake" when defending himself

                                                                  [–]matz8916 0 points1 point ago

                                                                  I don't know what rustles my johnsons more... The blatant racism or the anal rape that they pulled on the English language...

                                                                  [–]tippytoez 2 points3 points ago

                                                                  johnsons

                                                                  Hey guys! This guy has more than one johnson!

                                                                  [–]Agent9262 4 points5 points ago

                                                                  I'm curious about his jimmies.

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                                                                    [–]Strel-chan 2 points3 points ago

                                                                    Completely black out all personal info. This includes but is not limited to profile pictures (including your own), first and last names, links to other profiles, location data, and anything else that could be personally identifiable.

                                                                    [–]W00ster 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    I wonder what would've happened if I asked a Saudi Arabian ice cream company to tell me which of their ice creams are made with pork based gelatin because that is the ONLY thing I can eat?

                                                                    Somehow I feel this thread would have been against me for being intolerant and arrogant and being an asshole yet this man is getting the circlejerk treatment here.

                                                                    [–]MustardMcguff 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    That ice cream company employee is from /r/atheism

                                                                    [–]Geohump 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    Well my goodness, you certainly are a very good Christian. Especially when we consider that atheists from America are far less discriminatory than most people. Perhaps you should learn some more about American atheists. Personally I'm a rationalist Christian and former Bible college attendee. And I have to say I found your comment offensively discriminatory and prejudicial and not at all Christlike.

                                                                    [–]fakemath -1 points0 points ago

                                                                    If I was a marketer for that company, I would immediately get on a plane to Pakistan with a shit ton of ice cream and give it to Pakistani kids... And film the whole thing.

                                                                    Still seems a little fishy though. Fake!

                                                                    [–]ypsy 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    Well their page no longer exists.

                                                                    [–]klv3 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    Tried to go to their Facebook page but could only view a cached version. Saw this comment there but again, can't click on it.

                                                                    [–]gssunil -1 points0 points ago

                                                                    Wow I never heard if this company.

                                                                    People are so judge mental(mental definitely).

                                                                    What if it is a prank by someone inside or outside the company to vilify it. We should stop spreading such messages when it may trigger more tensions.

                                                                    [–]eamantite 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Wilcoxsons dun GOOFED

                                                                    [–]all_In_KhakisButJeff 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    I wish our public school system was better around the country

                                                                    [–]CGord 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Don't be judge mental!

                                                                    [–]erichhaubrich 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Two scoops of ignorance on a waffle cone.

                                                                    [–]unfortunateleader -1 points0 points ago

                                                                    Honestly, I thought that reply was pretty funny.

                                                                    [–]bigred326 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    this is why " i dont want to live here anymore"

                                                                    [–]drofnasleinad 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Came here for people pointing out "judge mental." Was not disappointed.

                                                                    [–]jargonaught 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    It could have said his current location in the guys profile.

                                                                    [–]Colbeagle 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    This is what happens when you let the 15 year old ice cream jockey have admin access to a facebook page.

                                                                    [–]Geohump -1 points0 points ago

                                                                    there is a lesson in here for many of us.

                                                                    The first thing I learned is that gelatin can have pork in it! I never knew that. American food manufacturers put gelatin in a lot of things! Imagine how difficult it must be for people who can't eat pork to try to figure out what is safe!

                                                                    The other thing to learn is that sometimes people say stupid things that seem malicious beyond their original intent.

                                                                    I saw another comment which attributed the authorship of the response from the ice cream company to a 15-year-old. Well I can see a 15-year-old being stupid enough to say something like this. It's unfortunate that young people make mistakes and this was an obvious one.

                                                                    I hope the company steps up and publishes an apology and explains exactly what does go into the gelatin that's in their ice cream.

                                                                    [–]00kirby 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    /r/hesgoingtohellforthis Yep sounds about right.

                                                                    [–]hiltonking 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    And isn't posting the name of the ice cream manufacturer against the rules.

                                                                    [–]betbrett 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    he could have listed that on his profile. It seems unlikely they would have picked that country on a whim to make that comment.

                                                                    [–]shanedabassman -1 points0 points ago

                                                                    I totally know the muslim dude.

                                                                    [–]sobedog 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Let's tell them how we feel http://www.yelp.com/biz/wilcoxsons-ice-cream-billings

                                                                    [–]chainsawvigilante 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    I judge mental all the time.

                                                                    [–]OurOwnWars84 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Judge Mental sounds intense.

                                                                    [–]bcseahag 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Real ice cream doesn't contain gelatin anyhow...

                                                                    [–]ShaneFlann43 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Not to support the ice cream company but it says he lives in Wyoming and they dont deliver out of Montana. Maybe they just stretched that to be funny? Very asshole like though

                                                                    [–]klinesmoker 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    Holy shit I know that kid. If it makes people feel better he and his brother are pretty well loved in Sheridan.

                                                                    [–]suzed[!] 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    Article on the post in which the company owner discusses the comment: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2012/09/ice_cream_co_to_all_muslims_yo.php

                                                                    [–]YellowSharkMT -1 points0 points ago

                                                                    For what it's worth, the company president (who originally posted the comment) claims it was honest mistake:

                                                                    The user had an icon next to the name that said “Pakistan,” Schaeffer said. Responding quickly, he said he jotted his response down.

                                                                    “I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan,” Schaeffer said. “It wasn’t a racist comment… It was just an honest mistake.”

                                                                    [–]jizz_bomb 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    What does where the question came from geographically have anything to do with whether the ice cream uses pork gelatin?

                                                                    By this company's logic, apparently it means a question about their product doesn't warrant an answer (since it wasn't racist, right??).

                                                                    [–]andified 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    What a fucking retard.

                                                                    [–]jacquelynjoy 0 points1 point ago

                                                                    This reminds me of how people would tell my ex's sisters to '"go back to where you came from" after 9/11 (because they are brown and wear hijab) and she would do the head tilt and say, "Michigan?"

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