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[–]SchrodingersKarma 17 points18 points ago

ITT: AMERICA IS BETTER THAN EUROPE!!!/EUROPE IS BETTER THAN AMERICA!!!

[–]griff85 14 points15 points ago

Please enlighten me on the "free" part... no really.

[–]The_game_is_over 6 points7 points ago

They use this word "free" I don't think it means what they think it means.

[–]gazzthompson 5 points6 points ago

free (at the point of delivery)

[–]EmeraldRaccoon 53 points54 points ago

You only just heard that? Free education can't be doing that much for you...

[–]hubertwojnar 56 points57 points ago

HIIYYYYOOOOOOO!! What OP must feel like.

[–]turkeyinthecorn 6 points7 points ago

This is an incredible gif

[–]goldfishking 2 points3 points ago

Yeh how dare he learn something. He should know it since the day he was born.

[–]fidigw 35 points36 points ago

when i see the failed experiment of the euro

http://i.imgur.com/VVMth.gif

[–]AngriestCosmonaut 24 points25 points ago

I don't think anyone in the world right now has the right to criticize anyone else's economy or money, because it is now just a fight of which pile of shit is the least shitty.

[–]Mangemongen 5 points6 points ago

Scandinavia isn't doing that bad actually :)

[–]OctaviusCaesar 4 points5 points ago

This guy is right.

[–]curvedbanana 3 points4 points ago

Australia is not even in a recession.

[–]bigrob1 0 points1 point ago

whooo! o wait I transfer Pounds into AUD. I mean Booooo!

[–]ProudToBeAKraut 2 points3 points ago

i dont really like to summarize economical complex things but seeing a stupid picture where people would laugh without any clue is just dump - the american us dollar gets devalued more and more artificially by the government, the euro has to devalue itself too - or nobody else would be able to buy stuff it would be too expensive - the most extreme case of this is china, which basically lowers its own currency exactly 1:1 to any $ changes

[–]TheOneWhoKnocksBitch 0 points1 point ago

Can someone link me that picture of Patrick with the caption?

[–]ZetsubouZolo 0 points1 point ago

don't mention economy crisis a while ago. where was it again? oh yeah the US. don't get me wrong i like america but I think european politics are just...smarter.

Although I gotta admit germany politics for financial support are really pissing me off right now.

[–]fidigw -1 points0 points ago

Sorry that whole European attitude of their policies being “smarter” got torn up when you intentionally ignored economics in your plan to unite all European nations. None of your leaders saw this North vs South Europe economic issue happening (and now none of them can accept it either). In short, continuing to chirp about US policies doesnt stop reality about this being an economic experiment that will hurt all of us.

[–]MilesColtrane 8 points9 points ago

It's not free. Somebody pays for it, and after your education and while you work, you will be paying for it, too.

[–]Ch1michanga 4 points5 points ago

Military members get free healthcare and schooling, but that's about it I believe.

[–]bluthru 6 points7 points ago

Inmates. Don't forget inmates.

So, if you want free healthcare: break the law.

[–]MooseCaca 1 point2 points ago

And Congress.,. But I think those lazy fucks don't do enough to deserve a lifetime of benefits...especially if they only serve one term.

[–]Not_A_Triceratops 4 points5 points ago

You know none of those things can ever be "free" right?

[–]pinkeyedwookiee 16 points17 points ago

Well, we get free education up till grade 12. Not saying it is GOOD but there you have it. A big believer in something is better than nothing I am.

[–]Dildo_Dan 1 point2 points ago

psst...over here....look at this link that makes OP's post irrelevant KhanAcademy

Edit: Its free education without the piece of paper shrugs

[–]Dustin- 6 points7 points ago

Considering that piece of paper is the only reason people get a higher education... shrugs

[–]shadowed_stranger 0 points1 point ago

For me that piece of paper is what STOPPED me from getting a higher education. I love learning, but hate the bullshit of having to take useless prerequisites that I have taken in middle/high school. I also hate the bullshit of useless homework/busy work that so many professors still love assigning. Just because I'm taking a major in a computer related field doesn't mean I want to handwrite an essay three nights a week just to get a grade in a useless English course.

I love things like Khan Academy, Udacity, and others, because it allows me to continue educating myself at my own pace without putting up with the general bullshit associated with a college degree.

[–]bigrob1 -1 points0 points ago

It was in my town. The 'problem' with education in america is that its so dependent on locally raised taxes (10% federal, 45% state, 45% local). So if your parents live in a rich area with high property taxes you will go to a good school. If you dont it wont be as good. I really dont have a problem with this. Why shouldnt richer people be able to fund their children's education more?

[–]pinkeyedwookiee 1 point2 points ago

Because then it isn't "fair". I would have to agree with you on this subject.

[–]jimmyleexvl 3 points4 points ago

It isn't free folks, small business owners pay for your drug addict brother and your jobless uncles benefits too..

[–]BeatlesForSale 21 points22 points ago

My God. It's almost like different countries have different cultures...

Can we stop this American health care wankaround? I'm not even American and it annoys me.

[–]bingram 14 points15 points ago

I like wankaround better than circlejerk. Guys, can we use wankaround from now on?

[–]classy_stegasaurus 6 points7 points ago

I hate this reddit circlejerk wankround

[–]PannaLogic 2 points3 points ago

circlewank jerkround

[–]TheLostViking 1 point2 points ago

circlewank = dutch rudder?

[–]BeatlesForSale 0 points1 point ago

That's what we use over in /r/unitedkingdom

[–]eric0rr -1 points0 points ago

As an american, I've never had a job that didn't have healthcare to some decent degree. Get a decent job.

[–]DawginYourMomma 9 points10 points ago

Prepare for the "not all of us are so LUCKY" posts.

[–]bluthru -2 points-1 points ago

Can we stop this American health care wankaround?

No! We need some fucking first-world healthcare in this country!

[–]l31sh0p 8 points9 points ago

MFW someone from EU criticizes American policy.

[–]otac_jedini 2 points3 points ago

European Union or EUrope?

[–]eric0rr 3 points4 points ago

Does it really matter? Its just silly men in silly hats with stupid accents.

[–]soapjackal 2 points3 points ago

for some reason that bigotry sits well with me

[–]ChinookNL 2 points3 points ago

How long did you live under that rock?

[–]pushin88 12 points13 points ago

I DESERVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO PAY FOR MY EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE BECAUSE I WANT IT

[–]bigrob1 1 point2 points ago

The retarded thing about this is that its not like the poor kids dont get an education. They do. The problem is that all of a sudden the highest quality level of education in the country is considered the minimum acceptable for every kid. When did this happen? If you put a lot of those inner city kids in a class with the best fucking computers and teachers and curriculum theyd still probably fuck it up. The people that get shorted on education first need a cultural change before education will make a difference.

[–]Tartantyco 1 point2 points ago

More like "My country is better off with an educated and healthy populace".

[–]bingram 3 points4 points ago

Right, that's totally how it works. /s

[–]pushin88 1 point2 points ago

how does it work? "Free" health care just means health care that i don't directly pay for. Which means that other people are paying for it.

[–]bingram 0 points1 point ago

Everyone pays the taxes that the system requires, and everyone receives the benefits. I guess you could say that other people are paying for your free healthcare, but you're paying for theirs as well. It's about the collective, not the individual.

[–]pushin88 0 points1 point ago

so it's fair that the man who pays 20,000 bucks (read:units of currency) into the system gets the same care as the person who only pays 2,000, or 200,000?

[–]bingram 0 points1 point ago

It's fair if the first man's 20,000 is the equivalent of the second man's 2,000 or 200,000. You cannot demand $200,000 a year, let's say, from a man who only make $75,000. Why can't the payment of taxes be based on a person's yearly income?

[–]pushin88 0 points1 point ago

The payment of taxes is always based on a yearly income. I'm pointing out that I think it is unfair if the man who pays $200,000 spends all year with a single doctor check-up, while the man who pays $2,000 goes in multiple times for surgeries that cost tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Yes, they both paid taxes, and the second man did pay into the system, but not equally, and they are decidedly not getting the same level of care.

[–]nuerm1sa 0 points1 point ago

Sorry we have good healthcare and amazing education programs

[–]MooseCaca 4 points5 points ago

If you can afford it.

[–]kvellturo 1 point2 points ago

Fuck you pal

[–]moanerific 2 points3 points ago

Assuming you come from Europe, there are two reasons for your 'free' healthcare and education:

  1. You pay higher taxes and cannot opt out of them.

  2. The United States has effectively subsidized European defense for 60- 70 years. If the U.S. cut its defense spending in half we could have all the 'free' stuff too.

[–]otac_jedini 1 point2 points ago

The United States has effectively subsidized European defense for 60- 70 years. If the U.S. cut its defense spending in half we could have all the 'free' stuff too.

...For their own interests.

[–]Daveeyboy 3 points4 points ago

That's the same face I make when I hear Europeans pay 50%+ tax rates for that "free" education and healthcare.

[–]gazzthompson 20 points21 points ago

50%+ tax rates

Haha, Nope.

[–]bigrob1 1 point2 points ago

heres the thing. You may not pay 50% in one go, but by the time you've made money, paid income tax (higher than the US), and then bought something, paid the hidden VAT tax (higher than the US state sales tax) on that as well as the increased price due to taxes everyone else has to pay the yes, you quickly pay a lot of tax.

[–]gazzthompson 0 points1 point ago

And Americans have (well they don't, But it would be silly not to) buy health insurance + tax.

[–]TheGoodNamesWereGone 2 points3 points ago

Unless you're a multi-millionaire, hell n'awh

[–]Cadaverlanche 6 points7 points ago

I'd rather be taxed on what I make than owe money that I'll never be able to make and die from preventable health conditions that I'll never be able to afford to treat.

[–]jihad_bin_laden 11 points12 points ago

so brave

[–]pazimpanet -2 points-1 points ago

I'd rather live in America for 23 years then die of extremely painful cancer than live in Europe.....just sayin.....

[–]Cadaverlanche 6 points7 points ago

But would you inflict the same fate of suffering upon your child? Your spouse? Your parents? Could you really look your child in the eyes and say "I'm willing to let you die early and painfully so I can get a tax break"?

[–]RathboneLLJK 0 points1 point ago

You'd rather die of cancer than live in Europe?

[–]robot_steve 1 point2 points ago

and they have no choice,they have to take whatever the government gives them. I believe waiting for hours at your local pharmacy just to get a prescription is the norm in some countries because they are government run? At least from the Europeans I've talked with. That is just the pharmacy, I can only imagine how efficiently the more complex operations are run.

They are in awe when I tell them it takes me maybe 2-5 minutes. I get my drugs from the drive through after they've called me to let me know my prescription is ready, because they gave me a courtesy call to tell me that they estimate my prescription is running low and ask if I would like them to fill it for me to be picked up anytime until 9pm. If I walk in on a new handwritten prescription that couldn't be sent over electronically from the doctor, I might wait 10-15 minutes from the time I gave them the prescription until it's ready. I pay $3 out of pocket for it. This is at a choice of one of 8 different pharmacies within a 5 kilometer radius of my house, and I live near farms.

Talking with an ignorant European who looks down his/her nose is like talking with an American who thinks "Europe is a country"

Seriously though, Europeans should still be aware they still pay for their education and healthcare, they just have to do it or go to jail (aka what happens when you don't pay your taxes) even if they don't use it. If you're dirt poor or just incredibly unhealthy with pre-existing conditions, government sponsored health care and education is nice, but if you aren't in that minority and actually make a decent amount of money, government options are the last thing you want. I agree that people who have pre-existing conditions and who are dirt poor need options or at least some bare minimum available to them.

Rising healthcare costs is mostly alarmism generated by baby boomers getting old and not understanding that yes, you get old healthcare costs more. It's the same for everyone, and sadly baby boomers vote so they want the government to pay for it and it's a sudden issue. Many young people don't get health insurance (which normally helps even out the risk for insurance companies) because it simply isn't a priority amongst all the other things they want to buy, and they'd rather have that money for something else because they think it's not worth it until the day they get really sick or seriously injured, then suddenly their healthcare is really expensive. Really, it's just bad planning on their part. A lot of them have squandered their retirement or haven't bothered saving because they thought SS replaced retirement rather then being just a bare minimum.

Also, we don't pay for education in primary schools, its merely higher education, but even then there are state and locally funded colleges, universities and two year trade schools with lower tuition costs paid for partially by taxes. Traditionally, this gives students a more affordable option and for those who can get scholarships a practically free education. Although, sadly the government has been siphoning more and more funds from those institutions raising tuition costs to a point there is negligible difference between them and private institutions in cost, and the number of student loans kids are taking out dramatically which they aren't able to pay back unless they are making lots of money immediately which is incredibly unlikely in a slow economy having no experience.

[–]gazzthompson 1 point2 points ago

I've used the NHS extensively and find it extremely hard to believe people wait for extended periods of time in pharmacies. Makes no sense, I take medication every day so I've had many visits to the pharmacy and only ever had to wait 5/10 mins. These medications are capped at £7.50 (free If under 18) . I've had 7 operations, a year physio on my ankle, 2 broken arms . My non emergency colonoscopy (no other reason other than I hadn't had one in a while) was a wait of 4 weeks. I doubt any western/northern European country has problems with pharmacy wait times. All of this with no financial strain on my family. I also don't understand this lack of choice thing, what do you mean? I get to choose my doctors and medical treatments . Oh and we also have private healthcare if you want it.

[–]robot_steve 0 points1 point ago

Different country, different healthcare system. The upside of Europe is you have lots of tiny countries, each running their own variation of the various healthcare systems. Also, I listen to enough British radio shows to hear enough bitching about the failures of the NHS to realize it's not an ideal healthcare system either. It runs like a factory, pushing patients through cookie cutter treatment options and is insanely bureaucratic. We have that problem here at some hospitals, but you can at least go to another hospital managed by different people, that do a better job.

Realize that we have one government running a country the size of 40 of yours in area and 5 times your population. That overtaxes any government, our current run federal programs run one size fits all regions programs and generally they fail or bring down standards in as many areas as they help. No Child Left Behind, Social Security, etc, they list goes on.

If an individual state wanted to implement government healthcare, fine, that would work, it would be targeted towards the demographics of the region, and at least if it failed there would be other states one could move to or that that state can learn one, but a one shot one size fits all for healthcare here over 50 states has just as much chance of failing people who currently have good healthcare and insurance as much as it does helping the portion of the population that don't.

[–]gazzthompson 0 points1 point ago

NHS is indeed not perfect, but its s public loved institution (I remember seeing a poll that its THE most loved British institution). We complain about it because we are British, and we complain about everything. But you take these very complainers and suggest removing the NHS and they will defend it viciously I bet. But yes, its not perfect, no system is.

[–]robot_steve 0 points1 point ago

Complaining about everything isn't a British thing, its a European thing, one that we inherited.

Our system isn't perfect either, but it works for most people or had in the past

The reason why it's a sudden problem is our baby boomer generation is getting old, and sick, and they're going to start dying soon increase hospital and medical spending by a huge margin. I think on average people spend more in the last 6 months of their life on medical treatment then the rest of their life in a last ditch effort to not die. A huge portion of them didn't save properly or plan for retirement (http://brokeneggsfilm.com/), used credit extensively, and have no savings, and a good portion of them went through a recent period of unemployment or are still there so their private insurance lapsed. Their health care costs, because they are getting older are going up, they didn't plan for this, that coupled with their bad retirement planning and lack of savings is catching up to them. So they want the government to fix it, since they make up the majority of the voting population, suddenly it's and issue, when 10-30 years ago you heard nothing about government healthcare. That's as much their fault, they planned badly and they've been the ones running the country for the last 20 years.

The other part of the problem is health insurance is optional, and people, especially young people because I was one of them, don't think they'll get sick or injured, or view it as less likely then it really is, so they don't pay for it even though it's affordable at that age. So when they get really sick or injured they end up with a massive bill 10 times that as what they might pay in insurance. That's their fault really and they didn't want to except responsibility. If more young people got medical insurance, them paying into it would balance out the older folks somewhat.

The real problem to me that I see is people with pre-existing conditions or who are diagnosed with something incredibly bad like cancer. They become uninsurable because to company wants to take on that risk, and health care costs out of pocket become so great any and all wealth they have is spent or results in bankruptcy meaning if they survive they have few if any assets or retirement. We need to fix that problem, we need something for people with pre-existing conditions and cancer, etc. Medical bankruptcy should not be a thing here.

My problem with our country's medical care issue is the timing. If we were running a surplus like we were 20 years ago and wanted to take that money and make medical care better and raise taxes, well that's one thing. But we are doing it at a time when baby boomers in charge have waged two wars, put in a prescription drug plan, bailed out companies who were too big to fail, while simultaneously lowering their taxes. So they did it all on borrowed money that their grandkids are going to pay back after they're dead or retired. They want free healthcare but they aren't willing to pay for it, they want to put it in when the country is massively in debt and doesn't see a way to pay it back in 20 years. Basically screwing over the next generation financially because they want everything now but want lower taxes.

[–]gazzthompson 0 points1 point ago

Didn't Obamacare try fix the lack of uninsured (by making it so you have to be insured) and some thing to help pre-existing conditions?

[–]robot_steve 0 points1 point ago

It does, and that's probably the only part of the plan I'm okay with at this time. People who want to pay for insurance should have a way to get it. It's the rest of it that we can't really afford, maybe in 10 years if we did a really good job cleaning up the overspending and paying down the national debt.

The paperwork hospitals are having to do, the bureaucratic overhead is starting to kick in and hospitals can't keep up, I believe patients have to spend an hour doing paper work and are going to have to wait months instead of a few weeks before they're allowed to see a specialist. We'll see how it goes, even if it's a good plan, I think it has the deck stacked against it given the economic situation and the spending in other areas that it may just not be sustainable, much like Social Security is now. Sometimes the government, at least ours is known for cushy jobs where you have to do the bare minimum to keep it, doesn't make things better.

[–]pseudonym21 0 points1 point ago

I don't claim to know much about US or EU healthcare systems. In Australia, we have both public and private sectors for healthcare. Those who can't afford to pay for private healthcare do not go without treatment. Those who can pay for private healthcare get a tax refund so they're not paying too much for what they don't use. They both work in symbiosis to keep the pressure off of each other. It is by no means perfect, and there are long waiting lines for public healthcare, but for the most part it works ok. Can someone please explain to me how this differs Obamacare? I'd like to know.

[–]bigrob1 0 points1 point ago

that rebate gets smaller and smaller every year though, especially with this government

[–]The_game_is_over 0 points1 point ago

What's the point of a "free education" if you can't get a job.

[–]KaleidoscopeHeavensugh kpop 0 points1 point ago

You're going to cause a shitstorm.

[–]demonshalo 1 point2 points ago

nothing is free you moron! saying it is free is like saying I am your father!

[–]Look_at_all_the_pork -1 points0 points ago

Aparently that "Free education" didn't take you too far intellectually.

Nothig is free. What you meant to say is, "other people and businesses are forced to pay for it." Of course; you'll be paying for the kids right after you, plus interest, plus Government overhead. So you're a fucking idiot.

[–]jack_monahan -1 points0 points ago

'Merica

[–]lowkey69ac 0 points1 point ago

I had no idea they got free education! Can I go to college there for 4 years for free too? No? Oh, I guess its NOT free! :)

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points ago

It's not fun being hated by your own country, but it is hilarious I guess if you hate the American government who doesn't listen to the will of its own people and hate the wealthy capitalists who abuse everyone on the planet. It's so funny the citizens can't get healthcare or have a first world college education because of not being born into a family of extreme wealth or extreme disadvantage.