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[–]TheIcelander 73 points74 points ago

I've told this story before, but it's relevant so here goes:

When she was five my niece loved playing with a Noah's ark play set my mom had bought. One day she asked my mom to read the story that went along with it. After it was done my niece asked "So god killed all those people?"

"Well, I guess so" said my mom.

My niece asked "Which one of these is god?"

"I don't know..." said my mom.

"I think it's this one" said my niece, picking up the Noah figure with the long beard. She walked over to the corner of the room, put him down, and said "Now you think about what you did!"

[–]Smeagol3000 36 points37 points ago

It's funny how a five-year-old has a better grasp of morality than millions of adults.

[–]wojovox 14 points15 points ago

What a prime example as to the nature of altruism.

[–]only_truth_matters 50 points51 points ago

most thorough act of genocide in history fantasy

FTFY

[–]DVentresca 4 points5 points ago

I don't know, the time war was pretty bad.

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[–]GuranaAddict 13 points14 points ago

Boats and hoes...and 2 of every animal.

[–]Numenius 20 points21 points ago

How do you misspell it when it's right there in the picture?

arK

[–]Lux_Perpetua 9 points10 points ago

I have to wonder, did God also kill all bacteria? If so, what about STDs, what about malaria and AIDS? What about tape worms? Where all these on the ark, too? What about those insects from the rain forest which lay their eggs under the skin of other animals - where they allowed to multiply while on the ark? I imagine some animal dying because its eye was eaten by maggots wouldn't do much good for the repopulation effort.

[–]malevolentduality 7 points8 points ago

God provided a shield over Noah's Ark for all those pesky skeptical questions.

[–]aphaits 4 points5 points ago

Engage shields!

LALALALALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALALALA

[–]zzyzxeyz 3 points4 points ago

AIDS is a virus ...

[–]Lux_Perpetua -2 points-1 points ago

And I am not exactly a biologist. Care to explain what AIDS being a virus means for the point I made?

[–]zzyzxeyz 2 points3 points ago

Noah's Ark supposedly took two of every living thing. Viruses are not living thing.s

[–]Lux_Perpetua -2 points-1 points ago

What are the criteria for being alive that a virus does not fulfill and what stops me from reinterpreting the bible to mean that viruses are included anyway(just like bats are birds)?

[–]AjaxAstynax 0 points1 point ago

I was under the impression that viruses cannot reproduce unless they are present in another form of existing life. Reproduction being one of the criteria for something being considered life. I base this off my 10th grade biology class, 5 years ago, so take it lightly.

[–]Aoe330 7 points8 points ago

But...But..Rainbows.

Rainbows can't be evil, can they?

[–]websnarf 6 points7 points ago

In 1280 (or some time around then), the rainbow was completely described as a phenomenon of refraction and reflection of light in water droplets. The story of Noah's ark claims that the rainbow was given to people as a promise from god that he would not wipe out the earth like that again.

Slight problem with this story -- the thing that makes the sky blue is exactly the same thing that makes rainbows exist. If god gave man the rainbow after the Noah's ark story, then he also gave them blue skies at the same time. Who the fuck would ever give a shit about the existence of rainbows, if they suddenly saw their whole sky change from one color (presumably something other than blue -- probably black?) to a totally different color (blue)?

[–]radwolf13 0 points1 point ago

in some Japanese mythology rainbows were actually a sign of evil (or death, I forget)

[–]tsingi 6 points7 points ago

Except it isn't true.

You have a point about presentation though.

[–]RabidRetrospectGames 6 points7 points ago

I remember when I was told this story growing up. They always left out the whole genocide part. It was always "look, Noah don went and saved all dem animals".

I guess genocide isn't that great of a story to tell the little ones.

[–]Grindstone50k 10 points11 points ago

That rainbow makes it look like a gay cruise ship.

[–]DeFex 5 points6 points ago

And then the animals were released to repopulate, the carnivores ate the only pair of their prey so the food could not breed, then the larger carnivores ate smaller carnivores untill there were only lions and tigers left, they had an epic battle and the lions were killed, after the tigers finished the eating the last lions, they ate the humans, and then starved to death.

[–]AhhhClem 0 points1 point ago

Yeaaaa.

[–]andropogon09 4 points5 points ago

There are genocide stories associated with Passover and the birth of Jesus, too.

[–]dumnezero 2 points3 points ago

I learned those when I was kid. The Herod story was marked, in the calendar, at the begging of the christmas fast (in Orthodox Christianity), which was also by birthday, so I felt doubly disturbed as a kid.

[–]asdfghjkl92 4 points5 points ago

noahs ark and god murdering the egyptian first borns are two of the things that always made me go WTF god is kind of a dick. of course, didn't make me stop believing in him back then, god was now just an omnipotent, omniscient dude who liked to kill people who pissed him off, as well as their whole families, so i better believe in him extra hard

[–]squigs 4 points5 points ago

Well, it does!

Other popular children's stories are the one where a wolf eats a girl's grandmother, or the one where a piper kidnaps all the children and holds them to ransom. Not quite the same degree, but there's a lot more emphasis on the crime itself, and it shows we love telling our kids unpleasant stories.

[–]brandnewtothegame 0 points1 point ago

Rock-a-bye, baby...

[–]flukus 0 points1 point ago

Maybe this is a nursery rhyme for adults to calm them down when the feel like murdering their children?

[–]Aoife246 0 points1 point ago

Little Red Riding Hood was meant to be a metaphor about stranger danger or sexual predators or some shit. Hardly appropriate for kids though.

[–]Fattard 4 points5 points ago

Liberal use of the word "history"?

[–]kenbw2 4 points5 points ago

God: more kills than Hitler, still loved by all

[–]neonblue120 3 points4 points ago

Noah's arc is on of those things that NEVER gelled with me. I could pretty much ignore (still not believe) everything else but the flood story always made me go really? REALLY? (trying to describe not believing it from a VERY young age but also not having rational arguments against it at that point.)

[–]malevolentduality 0 points1 point ago

I read your reallys like this.

[–]neonblue120 0 points1 point ago

You don't by any chance know what Lloyd said to him do you?

[–]malevolentduality 0 points1 point ago

It was something along the lines of "Ari, Johnny chase said that Vincent chase isnt going to answer your calls and if you need to ask him anything you can tell Johnny"

[–]bravokilo85 0 points1 point ago

This, along with the book of revelation pretty much sealed the deal for me at 10 years old. From then on I questioned everything I heard at church.

[–]dumnezero 3 points4 points ago

It's not enough that there was the genocide, but consider that Noah would have saved all the dangerous bacteria, viruses, insects and parasites, a godly "gift" for future generations.

[–]lulzy12 3 points4 points ago

I never understood where all the bodies went.

[–]QuasarMonsanto 3 points4 points ago

Love how the great promise at the end is not to kill every one with a flood again. I rest safe knowing that genocide by drowning is off the table. As for bullets and fire and shit; game on.

[–]BackOnTheBacon 4 points5 points ago

Wouldn't it be omnicide?

[–]SwordWitch -2 points-1 points ago

No. No it would not.

[–]Duckzbug 2 points3 points ago

Yes, "history". Edit: Looks like lots of people beat me to it.

[–]rilsoe 2 points3 points ago

It's a childrens story, to embed fear of god in an early age. Sheer and utter propaganda and brain wash, nothing more.

[–]Jorgwalther 3 points4 points ago

Yahweh - the original Hitler.

[–]neonblue120 2 points3 points ago

Worse than Hitler really. At least Hitler killed Hitler.

[–]frobischer 2 points3 points ago

When I was young there was a commercial for bible stories. It showed a clip of Bruce Lee and said "With TV so full of violence wouldn't it be great to have some nicer stories?"

It then proceeded to show sing-song cartoons about Noah's Ark (mass genocide) and David and Goliath (a brutal war).

[–]thekintnerboy 2 points3 points ago

It kind of does make a great story, though, doesn't it? I always liked this one best in terms of drama. It has a big budget premise and an interesting protagonist. The film versions all treat it like a fairytale, which is boring — it should be done realistically. Noah is the patriarch of a rich, influential family in a region that has been rattled by a string of ominous events: Animals behave strangely, the earth shakes (as opposed to the characters, the audience can explain these small earthquakes rationally), rumors of a faraway, fiery mountain make the rounds (a volcano has erupted someplace else), the sky darkens slightly (due to the dust from the volcano). Harvests fail. The people are afraid, among them Noah — who has what today might be termed schizophrenia. He goes to the mountains to converse with God (the voices in his head), to ask him for mercy. During one of these retreats Noah finds an object that he interprets as God's way to warn him of the imminent catastophe: A shell. Again, the audience is aware that prehistoric shells can be found nearly everywhere in the world, because almost everywhere was the bottom of the sea at one time or another. To Noah, the shell is a sign that God intends to punish his creation with a great flood. Noah's voices start telling him to build the ark. No one around Noah has a way of knowing what schizophrenia is, and he is powerful and rich. Empowered by the force of his mania, he overcomes all obstacles and succeeds in building the ark — which is large, but nowhere near as large as the absurd wooden tanker of the collective imagination. And when Noah collects a pair of every animal in the world, it's not the world as we know it, of course, but as he knows it, which would dramatically reduce the number of animals the ark would have to be able to carry. Noah might even (sensibly) restrict himself to animals that would in some form be useful for human survival after the flood. Camels, donkeys, cattle, cats, dogs, horses, goats, chicken — that's about it. Noah has ruined his family's wealth, reputation and position of power in the process of building the ark; then the flood hits. It's not rainfall that causes it, of course, but a tsunami, caused by the massive earthquake that has been foreshadowed by the smaller quakes and the eruption of the volcano. The ark is swept out to the open sea, so that Noah believes that his premonitions came to pass — he, his family and the animals on the ark appear to be the last surviving creatures in the world.

Tl;dr: Noah's Ark needs a gritty reboot.

[–]thekintnerboy 0 points1 point ago

WHAT? Fuck! Well, according to this, this version has six-armed angels, so it's probably more on the fairy tale side. Still — Fuck! I thought I was being clever.

[–]DrHelminto 0 points1 point ago

The past few weeks I've been thinking about an adventure movie with Russel Crowe as Noah. Would it be better than Twilight?

[–]Shaidown 3 points4 points ago

umm

they're making that with Russell Crowe

[–]dickiebanner 0 points1 point ago

true story, and arnofsky is going to direct. i fucking hate that i have to see it but those two men are brilliant at film making.

[–]DrHelminto 0 points1 point ago

I hate when my joke is real. Now I sound either crazy or a copycat. Darn Hollywood. Why did it have to be Russel Crowe?

[–]yakkers09 0 points1 point ago

So old.

[–]Mattycore 0 points1 point ago

That's if Noah's arc even happened. Which I highly doubt. Geology doesn't show that there was a world wide flood a couple thousand years ago. Inaccurate, just as the rest of the bible is.

[–]AhhhClem 0 points1 point ago

Epic of Gilgamesh

[–]Aoife246 0 points1 point ago

yes but at some point, something happened to cause a bottleneck in the population. Look at cheetahs as an example. a bottleneck in the population caused inbreeding and now everyone's related. i think maybe the story was supposed to explain a population bottleneck.

[–]nabaricia 0 points1 point ago

And God told Noah to build Him an Arky, Arky.....

[–]thestinkywhistler 2 points3 points ago

History?

[–]aneventer 0 points1 point ago

There was a great discussion at my church about how if you look at much of the bible as allegorical, perhaps the story of Noah's Ark is the story of how we all sometimes feel like we're the only ones in the world, lost at sea. Belief in others and looking forward to the future gets you through... But yeah, the genocides in the bible really aren't great kid-mind-fodder.

[–]dickiebanner 0 points1 point ago

I like the message but there's nothing "historical" about Noah's ark. Just ask Donna D'errico

[–]alteredclone 0 points1 point ago

relevant

shamelessly promoting my music in the process

[–]hongkongianhomy 0 points1 point ago

Xenocide*

[–]AllUltima 0 points1 point ago

I'm not sure that "in history" is the right qualifier here. "ever conceived" maybe. But I prefer to limit the term "history" to events which actually happened.

[–]CatFlavoredToast 0 points1 point ago

This makes the Holocaust seem like Christmas.

[–]WiseNoah 0 points1 point ago

My parents thought the story was so great that they decided to name me after the main character. Sigh.

[–]ArenBonner 0 points1 point ago

Ahem... um... not history.

[–]akohler21 0 points1 point ago

I've figured out how Noah fit all the animals on board, he had help from the doctor and the T.A.R.D.I.S

[–]lookininin 0 points1 point ago

no

[–]AhhhClem 0 points1 point ago

I always think the whole thing was a mix up. Noah might have been a mathematician and had some proof that involved arcs like Pythagoras and his triangles. Ignorant desert dwellers did not understand and fucked the whole thing up.

[–]louisclub 0 points1 point ago

since when killing animals is bad? we do it everyday with our hamburger and steak meal

[–]Siethron 0 points1 point ago

Pedantic question: is it still genocide if it's not done by humans?

Wouldn't it be Xenocide?

[–]sselfless 0 points1 point ago

"genocide"? Are you sure about that?

[–]stengela 0 points1 point ago

What I think of when someone mentions Noah's Ark

[–]PCLOAD_LETTER -2 points-1 points ago

[–]Captain_SCHWING -2 points-1 points ago

Why do reposts get so much upvotes?

[–]xodus112 0 points1 point ago

Because not everyone is on reddit every hour or everyday and see every post.

[–]radamintos -3 points-2 points ago

again with this shit? are atheist really that stupid?

think about it in this way. You cannot fire to your co-workers, you cannot promote them because you are not their boss, right? so if you something to them then you are doing something wrong. If the Boss (God), remove people from the company (killing them, which we dont know if it is a promotion or He is just firing them), then it is fine since he is the Boss and you dont have any idea of whats next. got it, know?

[–]xodus112 2 points3 points ago

God is a dick. Got it.