Peaceful protest in Afghanistan: How do atheists reconcile the contradiction that atheists and muslims alike can engage in hateful murder and peaceful protest, as well? : atheism


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[–]a-t-k 6 points7 points8 points 21 hours ago

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[–]a-t-k 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago

If you read my post carefully, you might (or might not, because you seem to have a prejudice against anyone who may be outspoken against muslims) recognize that I don't blame the hatred and violence on religion, but on those who abuse it - and they abuse it in very much the same way that the US government abuses the fact that most of their voters are indifferent about anything that's more than a few miles away, let alone on another continent.

I am german, so it's much easier to see through that propaganda of hatred and bigotry disguised as patriotism that is fed through the media to you guys. Anyway, atheism is not antitheism (even though both are often promoted by the same people).

So the more interesting question is not the one you asked in your headline but: how do atheists, muslims, christians, buddhists, jews, and so on get along great in one country and promote one another's genocide in another (granted, atheists don't promote genocide as a rule in those countries, because most of them are persecuted or even killed there)?

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[–]ClaytonG91 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago

I think you're looking too much into what is published and what is said by the main steam media. Here on this particular subreddit we bash them because it's funny. this is not a serious place this is not an intellectual place. there are pockets of it around in this subreddit but mostly we come here to laugh and have a good time at the expense of religious idiots.

Current events have a lot of anti-american/anti-muslim news and hate flying around because of that video on youtube and the incredibly disproportionate response by muslim communities in the middle east. It may take some digging or even outright asking users of this subreddit, but you'll find posts about peaceful protests that we value and acknoweldge and you'll find some really supportive stuff about the counter protests in Libya.

Americans are very much afraid of muslims and the media has whipped the american populace into a frenzy i think everyone can agree on that. However, if you're going to single out Atheists as people who sling out vile anti-muslim propaganda you have to remember that in parts of the middle east Atheists are being stoned by the governments of these countries. let alone the private killings, beatings, and general harassment we have to suffer at the hands of our fellow muslim citizens in these countries. If you want to call us out on our mudslinging please do so, but bare in mind that while we throw out words they are literally throwing rocks, and yes you bet your ass we have a bone to pick about it.

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... troll ...

no, we are. in our private lives we are and do. however! as i said, this is our place! this is our club house where we can share inside jokes and laugh at everyone and be stupid and laugh and share crude jokes. We know how to think, we know that what we're saying isn't 100% true, however, we say it because it's funny. because it makes us laugh, because we are so sick and tired of dealing with idiots who have stupid fucking imaginary friends that convince them that calling us faggots, idiots, morons, physically attacking us and in some cases murdering us is perfectly acceptable if not commanded!

DO YOU HAVE ANY FUCKING IDEA WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE HATED BY YOUR OWN MOTHER!? Because honestly if you haven't been sat down and looked in the eye by your own fucking mother and have her tell you that she hates you, cannot understand why you're so fucked in the head, and why you chose a life of sin then you cannot and will not understand this subreddit.

But... we deal with that in the real world. we smile, we argue where possible, we fight legally for our rights as human beings and we move on. However... here in our clubhouse we can say what we want, we can talk shit all we want and we can do whatever we want because we don't have to deal with stupid theists and their imaginary friends.

you want real discussion and debate that's fine. but don't fucking insult me and the rest of the atheists here by saying we just get lead around by the nose because we choose to laugh at stupid fucking muslim idiots who over react to having their stupid fucking prophet mocked on a stupid fucking video. You want to make fun of famous atheists go right the fuck ahead no one fucking cares, you are not going to be threatened, harmed, or killed. we might mock you, we might laugh, we might even send you crude drawings of ourselves fucking your mother in the ear, but we aren't going to storm your embassy and murder your fellow countrymen.

P.S. there is no such thing as dogmatic atheism. we trust science, if something comes back wrong we change it. we don't stick to anything we adjust and reevlaute anything and everything based on evidence.

[–]gleegy[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago

nope, not a troll. sorry but everyone deals with the things you mentioned in all sorts of simmilar ways. and who said this was your 'clubhouse' for sharing crude jokes, etc? The exact description is:

Welcome to r/atheism, the web's largest atheist forum. All topics related to atheism, agnosticism and secular living are welcome here.

I can post things related to atheism and hope to find an intelligent conversation, although, apparently its not possible. I, too, am an atheist. I haven't believed in god for 10 years. I have the same set of beliefs as you, but I've also recognized the limits of atheism. Please tell me, is it a concidence that the media obsesses over violent muslims but fails to talk about muslims who get murdered by the united states precisely because of their religion? Or that the media doesn't even mention when a dozen muslims get incinerated by a us bomb dropped from a drone? Or when muslims are spied on in their communities, rounded up and sent to die in guantanamo without charge or trial? Now, if its not a coincidence that the media focuses more on instances of 'muslim rage' than on instances of muslims being persecuted then I would hope, above all, a ration atheist would question why thats the case. Because, in fact, it is the case and, luckily, I have an answer for you: the United States Government is at war with a large part of the muslim world, it is at war for resources and geopolitical influence throughout asia. Now, when the media goes into a frenzy about these angry muslims they are also whipping the public into a frenzy, and this frenzy helps to provide the ideological support (islamophobia and anti-muslim sentiments) for continued war in the middle east. The ideology says that we have to bring democracy to these backwards people, that we have to free them from corrupt dictators and protect their women. All of these reasons are blatant lies and racist, and I could write forever here about the hypocrisy of the US government, but I'm afraid I don't have time right now.

I will simply say that ideology and government propaganda is a very powerful thing and, although fundamentalist islam is fucked up in many ways, it is even more fucked up that the government literally uses peoples hatred for islam to justify imperialistic wars, which, despite popular belief, results in far more deaths than so-called terrorist attacks. For example, look at the death toll from 9/11 compared with the civilian death toll for the iraq war, or the estimated death toll caused by the sanctions that the US placed on Iraq in the 90's. If y'all hate death so much, why not get a broader perspective?

[–]ClaytonG91 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago

"I have the same set of beliefs as you" no, you don't. i can promise you that. my religious ideologies are that there isn't any higher power. that is more than likely all the thought processing we share in common, that and basic reasoning skills to a certain extent which after said extent you seem to lack and only get really pissed off.

You seem to think that we as atheists have some kind of moral obligation or some kind of a uniting factor that binds us together as some kind of a unified group. You're wrong.

We're atheists and we acknowledge that other people are also atheists but that's about where it stops. Perhaps you've heard of the term "chruch family" yes? There is no such thing as an atheist family, it simply does not exist. we're not a unified group, we have no moral obligations to the world. we don't owe you, or anyone else anything.

Can most of us see the bullshit, yea most of us can. the question is do any of us actually care about it? My personal answer is that no, i could give a fuck what my country is doing to muslim citizens i'm more worried about what it's doing to its own citizens. once i get the fact that protesters in my own country are being arrested without cause and trail handled maybe then i'll give a fuck about a bunch of muslims being bombed and killed. till then, honestly i just don't give a fuck.

Is that horrible? yea. is it cold hearted and jaded? absolutely.

The media doesn't even mention when American soldiers get killed in action anymore why the fuck would it mention muslim citizens? think about that for a minute, your son was KIA and didn't get a mention but the muslims who killed him got air time because of a drone attack, in what america is that going to be acceptable?

I'm aware of everything you're saying, in fact most people are. However in order to help muslim communities out, in order to draw out our troops, withdraw our countries presence we must fix our nation first. So, while i feel bad for the innocent people who die because of my nation's actions, i cannot do anything for them while my own citizens are being arrested in the street for peacefully protesting.

TLDR: I know what you're saying, i have other shit that's on the top of my priorities list of shit my government is fucking up that i need to handle.