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[–]CommandADelete 780 points781 points ago

Some context for the picture: "Around 500 Afghans rally peacefully in Kabul to condemn the now-notorious film mocking the Prophet Mohammad." Source.

[–]snirp 58 points59 points ago

Some more context:

Hundreds of Afghans on Thursday protested for the first time against cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published in France and staged fresh rallies against a US-made anti-Islam film. About 300 students chanted "death to France, death to America" in a western neighbourhood of the capital Kabul, an AFP photographer said. Nearby, hundreds more gathered on a flyover and chanted "death to America" and "long live Islam, long live Afghanistan", another AFP photographer said. Both demonstrations were peaceful, condemning new Mohammed cartoons published by a French satirical magazine on Wednesday and the low-budget film "Innocence of Muslims", which has triggered protests around the world. Similar rallies have been held across Afghanistan in the last four days. On Monday, a protest of more than 1,000 residents in eastern Kabul turned violent when the crowd set fire to cars and threw stones at police. About 50 officers were slightly wounded. Afghanistan is a devoutly Muslim nation and perceived insults to religion are taken very seriously, often with violent consequences. Earlier this year 40 people were killed in street unrest over the burning of copies of the Koran by US soldiers on a base.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iDJskLo3y3591tRXNfb0kT2ZYiTQ?docId=CNG.77059d1415d71c2e1c215e699dd4f81c.e1

Should the exception of a relatively peaceful (I would rephrase it as non-violent) capture headlines?

[–]imluckytometyou 94 points95 points ago

About 300 students chanted "death to France, death to America"

So peaceful.

[–]lmYourHuckleberry 4 points5 points ago

agreed, just because they aren't destroying anything doesn't mean it's any less violent then any of the other protests they have done. Yes stuff isn't getting destroyed, but they are still rallying against us as a whole and the context is exactly the same, Kill those that disagree with whatever we believe in and have put pen/pencil to paper to draw our prophet Mohammed in any way shape or form, albeit less attention grabbing then other rallies.

[–]kompulsive 5 points6 points ago

just because they aren't destroying anything doesn't mean it's any less violent

...isn't that exactly what it means?

[–]soggit 4 points5 points ago

"Death to..." is a bit of a mistranslation in this very popular protest chant.

More accurate would be "Down with..."

[–]ShoopDaWoopII 2 points3 points ago

We should leave Afghanistan.

[–]bhaku 734 points735 points ago

I feel so sad for them. They try to distinguish themselves from all the violent protests but they get no attention from western (and probably middle-eastern) media.

If only these kinds of protests got more attention from our media, maybe more of them would protest non-violent.

[–]Stimonk 220 points221 points ago

A few weeks back I remember seeing a picture on REUTERs of a peaceful protect in Iraq where people were holding up signs apologizing to the US for the violence and promoting peace.

Didn't see even 1 paper that week carry the photo - really sad, because the media only wants to report on the violence.

[–]rapist666 97 points98 points ago

The media makes money selling commercials. They make the most money with dramatic story telling. They do not exist to tell facts or even inform.

[–]Surge72 110 points111 points ago

The BBC does.

[–]marcus_s123 54 points55 points ago

So does the NPR.

[–]GraceFace04 5 points6 points ago

Amen. BBC News app on my phone, no other way to go.

[–]himit 37 points38 points ago

Al Jazeera's fantastic too.

[–]NorthDakotanews 8 points9 points ago

Al Jazeera is the Fox news of the Muslim world, you just likely don't see that because they're biased in a way that you appreciate.

They might even be worse than Fox news, which is actually pretty impressive in and of itself.

[–]GourangaPlusPlus 17 points18 points ago

And this is why I love the bbc, it's my main news source, although it does have a slight liberal bias.

Edit: The liberal bias was framing it for americans, and a nod to the great colbert line "Reality has a liberal bias". Which is quoted below

[–]NotSoGreatGonzo 54 points55 points ago

”Reality has a well-known liberal bias”

-- Stephen Colbert

[–]mckulty 68 points69 points ago

In my lifetime our frame of reference has changed so that what used to be considered "stodgy conservative" is now "slight liberal". Thank you beck, rush, bachmann and oreilly.

[–]warpus 38 points39 points ago

although it does have a slight liberal bias

Perhaps from an American perspective, which is generally speaking slanted to the right more than you might think

[–]tigger04 24 points25 points ago

this

US politics is very much skewed to the right when compared with most other countries.

Or maybe I'm just a biased European whose world-view is skewed to the left ...

[–]daedone 13 points14 points ago

Nope, it's even more apparent to us here in Canada...

[–]Deetoria 7 points8 points ago

Our Conservatives are farther left leaning then the Dems in the US, by far.

The Americans wouldn't even have a place for our NDP.

[–]andThenThereWas 9 points10 points ago

Liberal bias in the sense of reporting 'facts'? ;)

[–]ecto1ajon 5 points6 points ago

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

[–]thecritic06 3 points4 points ago

Liberal bias? With regards to what?

[–]SMTRodent 91 points92 points ago

I'm doing my bit, I tweeted the source link. Maybe another five people will see it, but it's five more than none.

[–]Wackydude1234 38 points39 points ago

Posted it on facebook for all my friends to see.

[–]kindabiglie 136 points137 points ago

So if we include SMTRodent's Twitter Followers, we're up to seven. I'll show it to all my friends later too - that makes it eight. We can do this guys.

[–]frazehaze 58 points59 points ago

I laughed. But it was a sad laugh. I have two feels now.

[–]CANCER_PUNCH 15 points16 points ago

"Why can't I hold all these... Oh wait, I also have two hands. Carry on."

[–]aurisor 86 points87 points ago

Why should anyone care? Do we really have to congratulate Afghanis for not killing people when they get mad?

[–]KMan22 19 points20 points ago

Exactly. It's nice to see their holding a peaceful protest but it's still ridiculous non-sense that they're protesting.

[–]pj1843 70 points71 points ago

They are protesting against blasphemy against their prophet and religion, there is nothing wrong with these people voicing their outrage on the matter. Now they shouldn't expect us to start putting laws on the books to keep this from happening, but there is nothing wrong with peacefully expressing your opinion. The problem comes when you raise the pitchforks and torches and start killing people and damaging property.

[–]empideus 2 points3 points ago

It's not so ridiculous from their point of view unfortunately. So how do we deal with the problem of insecure, vengeful, fundamentalists?

[–]pegothejerk 6 points7 points ago

Same reason I would repost republicans against blanket partyline cronyism, or repubs for women's choice on abortion. It's a real and needed way to defuse hate so that progress can be made, but go on pretending it doesn't matter when other humans show compassion, that'll really help fix things.

[–]CapnCrunch10 9 points10 points ago

When you have two kinds of protests happening (one violent and one non-violent), which one do you think the mainstream media will broadcast every time? It's not surprising since the same thing happens in the states.

[–]RoundSparrow 76 points77 points ago

They try to distinguish themselves from all the violent protests

About 300 students chanted "death to France, death to America" in a western neighbourhood of the capital Kabul, an AFP photographer said. source

some context... New York Professor Joseph Campbell in 1987... at the age of 82:


Now brotherhood in most of the myths [religions] I know of is confined to a bounded community. In bounded communities, aggression is projected outward.

For example, the ten commandments say, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next chapter says, "Go into Canaan and kill everybody in it." That is a bounded field. The myths of participation and love pertain only to the in-group, and the out-group is totally other. This is the sense of the word "gentile" -- the person is not of the same order.

[–]Mr_Monster 38 points39 points ago

The Hebrew actually translates to "thou shalt not murder." There is a difference between killing and murder.

[–]sporkmonger 10 points11 points ago

Also covers death by negligence. This was the reason for the cities of refuge. If you killed someone by being careless, you were still considered as having committed a crime and the family could seek retribution.

[–]anonymous_hero 45 points46 points ago

They try to distinguish themselves from all the violent protests but they get no attention from western (and probably middle-eastern) media.

They're still protesting a goddamn video though, and this time it's A Small Minority (tm) that's being peaceful about it.

[–]GeoBrew 21 points22 points ago

THIS. At first, I was like, "wow, these guys are staging a peaceful protest! maybe Muslim fundmentalists aren't so crazy!" But wait---they are still protesting a video!? I mean, seriously? I can't imagine if I tried to track down the producer/creator of every piece of media I found offensive!

[–]aurisor 37 points38 points ago

Dude, they're protesting a fucking youtube movie. The world is upset by and interested in the violence of a few extremists' protests, not the popularity of youtube in rural Afghanistan.

These guys will probably be protesting bare ankles next week.

[–]FallingSnowAngel 21 points22 points ago

So? Let them.

Protests beat explosions.

[–]aurisor 14 points15 points ago

Totally agree. I support their right to do this. Good for them.

I'm just pointing out that this is not newsworthy. The OP makes it sound like the story is being kept hush hush or something.

[–]HyperactiveJudge 54 points55 points ago

Sad for them? I'm wondering why the fuck they are protesting at all, there is nothing to protest. No wrong has been done.

[–]sexy_robots 40 points41 points ago

And now the UN is considering blasphemy to be a crime.. you have got to be kidding. That is part of free speech. I can blaspheme anything I fucking please with no outside consequences. Religion is a personal choice with personal consequences. Who are these assholes to tell me and mine that I can't talk trash about Allah, Jesus, or whomever the fuck I please? What's that Natzi Germany? I can't have a negative opinion and speak bad about Hitler without being murdered? Perfect.

[–]MivsMivs 20 points21 points ago

Free speech does not mean that you can say anything you want without consequences. There won't be legal consequences, sure, in that way you do have the right to insult everyone you want to, but they have the equal right to be pissed.

[–]sexy_robots 8 points9 points ago

Yes, to be pissed, but not to start a killing spree and put out bounties..

[–]incer 6 points7 points ago

And who are you to tell them they can't protest something? Isn't that free speech too?

[–]sexy_robots 20 points21 points ago

Never once implied they can not protest. I protest against their violence. The video in question did no physical harm. What gives them the right???

[–]FlippyWippy 2 points3 points ago

And now the UN is considering blasphemy to be a crime

No they aren't. Stop spreading such sensationalist bullshit. Muslims nations calling for discussion on blasphemy and the UN agreeing to discussion is nothing new. Its been happening for years.

[–]Ais3 6 points7 points ago

Protesting is basic human right?

[–]devicerandom 12 points13 points ago

Sure, but we are not saying they should be forbidden to protest.

[–]sporkmonger 5 points6 points ago

Most developing countries recognize only one human right: The right to create more speed bumps.

[–]Dyltreeno 3 points4 points ago

They can protest whatever the fuck they want.

Are you suggesting that your freedom to mock their culture, outweighs their right to feel offended by it and that they shouldn't be allowed to voice their annoyance? Nobody should be allowed to disagree with western opinion. Get a grip. This type of thinking is exactly why we're in this situation to begin with.

[–]bxc_thunder 9 points10 points ago

I don't think you realize that he never said they can't protest, he's saying that they're protesting for a stupid reason. Of course it is his opinion, but he does have a point. In America and many other countries, you are allowed to mock or talk badly about anyone that you want.

[–]Kakoose 8 points9 points ago

I guess there goes all the things Gandhi and MLK taught the world. good job world.

[–]AnOnlineHandle 7 points8 points ago

They're seemingly still protesting against a crappy youtube video over 'blasphemy' and freedom of speech though, it's just not violent.

And there's peaceful protests all around the world every day over a million issues, why would the media report on any of them except for the diplomats getting killed / embassies getting raided / the pakistani government holding national holidays in protest / etc? Those are the only important events here.

[–]djveneko 3 points4 points ago

Thats why we are here to make sure the internet knows, we are the front page of the internet. :)

[–]publius4 123 points124 points ago

I love the irony here. The only way to live in a society in which people are able to protest freely is to live in a society in which people are free to say blasphemous things.

[–]IamA_Werewolf_AMA 134 points135 points ago

Right, but these people should be able to freely protest that which they see as blasphemous. The pendulum swings both ways.

[–]strategic_form 47 points48 points ago

And others are free to think they are fucking morons who want to curb free speech. The pendulum goes 360!

[–]IamA_Werewolf_AMA 32 points33 points ago

Well really that's still just both ways. You're free to say they're fucking morons, they're free to call you a blasphemer.

[–]Velitatio 17 points18 points ago

Protesting something said is not the same as wanting to prevent someone form saying it. T

[–]lets_learn 7 points8 points ago

I'm sure a lot of the protesters actually want the video forcefully removed by the government, the film makers prosecuted, and blasphemy outlawed forever after. Even in Toronto, Canada there were Muslim protesters saying that free speech should end at religious offence.

That is, in fact, wanting to prevent someone from saying it.

[–]publius4 5 points6 points ago

This is true, but I suppose it depends on what the specific content of the protest is.

I'm fine with people saying "You shouldn't blaspheme", but unfortunately the content of much of the protest in the Middle East is "Your country should make laws outlawing blasphemy". It's gotten to the point where many non-Muslim policymakers (including UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon) are seriously pushing for anti-blasphemy laws.

By all means, they have the right to say it, but I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any such law from being actualized in the West.

[–]imtooold21 26 points27 points ago

Wow, that bit with Ban Ki-Moon is not true... he's not pushing for it, they're considering it, as in discussing it... meaning it can and most likely will be denied.

[–]Ftumsh 15 points16 points ago

Yes there are some pretty misleading slurs against the UN going around the US media. Ban Ki-Moon has said the UN will consider it (and it WILL be vetoed) because that's his job.

[–]publius4 9 points10 points ago

He suggested that blasphemy laws could apply when speech is "used to provoke or humiliate".

I don't know how else to interpret that.

Edit: Another quote, this one more detailed:

"My position is that freedom of expression, while it is a fundamental right and privilege, should not be abused by such people, by such a disgraceful act. When some people use this freedom of expression to provoke or humiliate some others' values and beliefs, then this cannot be protected in such a way"

[–]nobanker 8 points9 points ago

We have the same laws in the US, fighting words and slander are also not protected by the First Amendment.

Still it doesn't change what imtooold21 said, he is discussing it, not pushing for it.

[–]publius4 4 points5 points ago

He is not talking about "fighting words", he is talking about blasphemy, in this case specifically the recent controversial video.

The video is clearly not illegal in the US, where is was created and has been distributed freely.

He is also quite clearly pushing for it. How else would you interpret the bold part of the quote I included in my last comment?

[–]Ironyz 1 point2 points ago

to provoke or humiliate some others'

That sounds like fightin' words to me.

[–]4TEHSWARM 7 points8 points ago

There really is no function for free speech laws if his statement is true.

[–]paulthepenguin 6 points7 points ago

That's not quite true. In Canada, our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, where our right to freedom of speech is guaranteed, has as its first section the notion that all of our rights are subject to "Reasonable Limits". There is some push and pull on what constitutes reasonable limits, but it does allow for a more balanced approach to looking at freedom of speech. So, while some can (and do) allow the freedom to say some terrible things, we will limit that when someone starts promoting genocide (as an example).

However, this probably wouldn't work so well if we elected our judges, as they would then have a need to appeal to the general populace rather than to the spirit and intent of the law.

So, we do have free speech laws...but we have a limit to what will be allowed. I tend to agree with that...for the most part. Is that too Canadian? Sorry.

[–]4TEHSWARM 4 points5 points ago

That's great and all, but there is a giant crevass that needs to be recognized between problems like "He wants my family murdered!" and "He hurt my feelings!"

[–]SwedishDude 2 points3 points ago

Here in Sweden we have laws restricting certain freedoms of speech. It's called "incitement to racial hatred" and I've only ever heard of it being applied to Neo-Nazis.

[–]bmart444 18 points19 points ago

Ban Ki-Moon? isn't that an ambassador from the jedi council??

[–]sirhelix 8 points9 points ago

That's no Moon.

[–]WhipIash 8 points9 points ago

Your point being?

People are being blasphemous about the force all the time.

[–]Riker87 8 points9 points ago

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side kid.

[–]zeptimius 14 points15 points ago

And rightly so. The sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped them conjure up the stolen d--AGHKHG

[–]Notblackandwhite 5 points6 points ago

I find your lack of faith... disturbing

[–]Semajal 15 points16 points ago

its tricky tbh, In the UK there are laws against hate speech/inciting hatred against people and a few other things. You can certainly protest freely but a film like that would not be allowed here (as such). WBC got banned from the UK before trying to fly over to protest at funerals.

[–]digitalpencil 5 points6 points ago

I think they were protesting a gay play actually but yeah, from what i gather they got turned away at Heathrow for intent to disturb the peace or incite hatred on grounds of sexuality or some shit like that.

I'm not sure where I stand on our hate-speech laws tbh, on the one hand i think people should be allowed to say what ever they think, they're only words right? but on the other i can't help but think of cases like Abu Hamza who came here on a student visa and didn't fuck off until we arrested his ass and forcibly extradited him to the US to answer separate crimes over there.

He was essentially done for hate speech under the public order act; Soliciting murder, using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with the intention of stirring up racial hatred, and dissemination of recordings and handbooks to strip up racial hatred. In sentencing, the Rt Hon. Lord Justice Hughes said of his crimes, [Masri] "helped to create an atmosphere in which to kill has become regarded by some as not only a legitimate course but a moral and religious duty in pursuit of perceived justice".

So I really don't know where to stand. We've got this dude who's being a proper prick, telling a bunch of naive, young Asian men that it is their moral and religious imperative to kill every last one of us, while taking legal residence in this country and claiming fucking benefits?! I want, from the deepest recesses of my heart to preserve freedom of speech but what do you do in cases like these? Allow them to continue their racist and hateful tirade? to corrupt the hearts and minds of young and impressionable Britons into a bloody war with their own kin?

I'm inclined to say fuck this guy and all like him. You're free to think and say what you want but the moment you start brewing a war, using kids as your puppets and setting them on me and mine, you can fuck off elsewhere. WBC, afaic rightly receive the same response.

[–]publius4 10 points11 points ago

Hmm, perhaps living in the US I see it differently. We all hate the WBC, but we let them protest anyway because free speech here has always been a "no exceptions" kind of thing, which I like.

[–]Semajal 4 points5 points ago

It is a funny one :) I prefer our own system so that people can't go and cause trouble just for the fun of it/free speech trolls etc. Was kinda gutted WBC got banned as I had planned to counter protest. I have been to a fair few protests here, from massive stuff in London that turned violent to small scale things in Brighton or anti Scientology raids. Never felt there was any effort to stop them (except for some of the larger scale things that ended up with looting/vandalism) The police are shockingly cool it, they even said they liked the Anon protests as everyone was so well behaved.

[–]publius4 13 points14 points ago

Word of advice: the WBC loves counter protests. It's how they get media attention.

The best way to handle them is to ignore them. That's what they fear most.

[–]Semajal 7 points8 points ago

[–]DisposableConscience 4 points5 points ago

That's what they fear most.

No, that is probably waking up in a back alley with three burly dudes about to sodomize them - "gay the pray away", if you will.

[–]SMTRodent 4 points5 points ago

Was kinda gutted WBC got banned as I had planned to counter protest.

And that's probably exactly why they were banned. Hundreds, possibly thousands of man-hours saved, commerce undisrupted, roads kept clear, and we've lost nothing of value. And you can very, very easily argue (probably correctly) that the WBC were travelling here for the purpose of committing a crime. It's pragmatic to ban them, costly and foolish to let them arrive.

[–]secondarmor 1 point2 points ago

Every culture imposes limits on deliberately offensive statements. Here in the US appealing to free speech would not save a person from massive hatred if he insulted minority races, for example.

[–]jumptram 10 points11 points ago

They're still protesting a movie that shouldn't be getting any attention. Theyre being silly, but at least they aren't killing themselves or others.

[–]joshcryer 0 points1 point ago

It's BS that I hadn't heard of this protest before. I've been looking closely at peaceful protests like this but it's the first I've seen since Libya. So frustrating. How many others are out there that have been reported on but not spread are there?

[–]HIFW_GIFs_React_ 179 points180 points ago

A picture is worth a thousand words. A story that would provide some context here would be worth more.

[–]whatevers_clever 221 points222 points ago

it's afghanistan valentine's day.

[–]Roham21 162 points163 points ago

Unfortunately women are not allowed.

[–]ooo0ooo 174 points175 points ago

Talibanned

[–]BaconCat 67 points68 points ago

Osama Bin Lonely

[–]4TEHSWARM 17 points18 points ago

Valentines day is a sausage-fest in Afghanistan.

[–]CherrySlurpee 22 points23 points ago

except its pork-free sausage

[–]U731lvr 56 points57 points ago

It's a peaceful protest by a small group of Afghans called the United Reformist Party.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to comprehend how free speech works as they demand the US government take down the video and 'deal with' the person who made it and make sure it never happens again, or "Afghanistan won't keep quiet."

So basically a non-violent way of saying what the violent protestors are saying... Curb your free speech so that our ever-so-fragile sensibilities won't be disturbed.

[–]sexy_robots 4 points5 points ago

Indeed. Quite passive aggressive .

[–]KCintheOC 10 points11 points ago

Looks like they just declared for Stannis Baratheon, faithful servant to the Lord if Light, R'hllor

[–]TeCuervo 4 points5 points ago

Agree. It would be worth 1000 plus whatever words are in the story.

[–]leonsecure 3 points4 points ago

Don't know the background. But they are holding pictures where "Muhammed" is written in a heart.

[–]LeopardKhan 52 points53 points ago

You won't hear about it on the news because peaceful protests happen all the time, everywhere. They aren't unusual.

[–]TurtsMcGerts 348 points349 points ago

I don't care if a bunch of people in a foreign country are peacefully protesting a low budget "American film" made by some asshole in California that nobody in America has ever heard of. I DO care if a bunch of people in a foreign country are burning down the fucking American Embassy because of some low budget "American film" made by some asshole in California.

[–]klowt 42 points43 points ago

good point

[–]sexy_robots 16 points17 points ago

I just do not get it. This is not the first anti-Muhammad film in history. Why start caring now? You don't see any other religious group burning down the world and starting world wars over anti-whatever the fuck you are videos. These people are so incredibly selfish.

[–]cobalt999 13 points14 points ago

Because for the last thirty four years that country has been effectively shielded from any type of western media by a dictatorial regime. They were never exposed to this and they don't know how to react now that they are. In a sense, this is the first "anti Muhammad film in history" because it's the first one they've been subjected to. Having grown up immersed in the Internet, tv, news, etc., we've grown numb to this sort of thing - it just doesn't bother us. But for them, everything is new, they don't understand just how insignificant this video is to most westerners, and some have reacted violently.

Now that they have access to global media, they're able to see how much ignorant, hateful, and selfish content there is out there. It shocks them, and they think it representative of the larger whole, though it is not. It's going to take time for them to realize this, and before they do you can probably expect more instances like what just happened in Libya.

[–]LadyGoldenLake 13 points14 points ago

Kudos - Muslim here

[–]likepeterose 53 points54 points ago

Umm did you rip this photo off Massoud's instagram feed? http://instagram.com/p/PzB3wYwINO/ Taken by Massoud Hossaini, Pulitzer prize winning photographer for AFP (for his Kabul suicide bomb picture last December, this one). Also here's story on demonstration the other day if anyone wants some context for this photo.

[–]1i1 41 points42 points ago

It has been on AFP/Reuters for 4 days and OP is claiming the evil mainstream media is hiding it away.

Also from the peaceful protest:

About 300 students chanted "death to France, death to America" in a western neighbourhood of the capital Kabul, an AFP photographer said.

[–]peopleknowme13 12 points13 points ago

To be honest the signs look photoshopped. The white balance difference is too drastic with the rest of the photo. I know we live in an Instagram era, but photojournalism isn't supposed to go there.

[–]uhmhi 32 points33 points ago

Where are all the women? Oh right, they're not allowed to join this "peaceful" protest.

[–]gabe4sure 162 points163 points ago

Stupidest post on Reddit at the moment. Looks like something that we should know about...but here we are begging info. Should be renamed "The peaceful protest that you won't hear about...because OP was too lazy/deliberately misleading enough to complete the post."

[–]joshcryer 26 points27 points ago

To be fair the report is from 4 days ago and this is the first I'm reading / hearing about it. It's really silly to be sure.

[–]Shadie 5 points6 points ago

Why would it be in the news? A peaceful and civilised protest is expected by default, it shouldn't be in the news!

[–]pmckizzle 25 points26 points ago

Fuck this, this shouldnt be treated as some extraordinary deed. This is how civilised people should protest, people shouldnt be praised for not killing and rioting.... that should be expected of them

[–]postsinsensitively 132 points133 points ago

Who gives a shit. Protesting against freedom of speech isn't something to be respected.

Just because "HEY GUYS LOOK THESE MUSLIMS AREN'T TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE!"... how is that something for us to be impressed by?

EDIT: "but postsinsensitively, it's freedom of speech lol!" yes. It is. Which is why I couldn't condemn the protest. They should take my attitude to it to that video "your protest is stupid but its your right, just like that video is stupid - and amateur - but their right". Neither of which should make the news.

[–]Inamo 64 points65 points ago

[–]crazyeight 41 points42 points ago

It was a peaceful protest, though.. they want us to die in our sleep.

[–]Takingbackmemes 2 points3 points ago

I always hear about people from this part of the world calling for death on things, and I'm wondering about the cultural context? In an angry protest in the west you might hear people shouting "fuck so-and-so" or "so-and-so go to hell" but the protesters are not suggesting that they perform sexual acts upon the objects of their derision. I'm wondering if maybe "death upon so-and-so" is the cultural equivalent of "fuck so-and-so".

[–]zeco 38 points39 points ago

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

When anything short of a beheading video is being cheered on as progress.

[–]gtard 8 points9 points ago

I was just about to write something like that. The normal reaction to a shitty youtube clip like that is pretty simple - just ignore it. The fact that such a clip has caused worldwide protests (some of them peaceful) is just ridicolous and shows massive contempt towards free speach among muslims.

[–]Louman_Pwnz 7 points8 points ago

Unless OP took this picture his/herself, I'm pretty sure the most likely source for this was a news article or broadcast of some kind.

[–]rlaptop7 16 points17 points ago

What are they protesting?

reverse image search isn't finding anything.

[–]Drabkikker 9 points10 points ago

Dunno; their signs say Muhammad.

[–]bhermit 11 points12 points ago

Just as OP said

[–]DoorLord 4 points5 points ago

That movie that was a big deal a couple of days ago.

[–]jb4427 3 points4 points ago

a couple of weeks ago

FTFY

[–]wantcake 9 points10 points ago

do people in afghanistan hear about peacefull demonstations in the west?

[–]keystroker007 59 points60 points ago

I call massive BULLSHIT ....I'm in Kabul and the protests may not have been destructive, but they were fired up chanting death to America...and just a few days ago there was a mullah telling the crowd that it was okay to kill Americans..not only was it legal, but allowable...fuck them..fuck them all..they can eat a bowl of dick...they want to fucking protest the west...stop using western items and clothing...

[–]dubdubdubdot 3 points4 points ago

Ever wake up in the morning and ask yourself, “what the fuck am I doing in Kabul?“

[–]keystroker007 4 points5 points ago

lol...everyday...

[–]Mr_Monster 2 points3 points ago

Gods dammit, people! So many of you keep bringing up "free speech" as if everyone on the planet has it. Free speech is something that we have guaranteed to us by our government. It is not something that every country in the world supports, and it is definitely not supported in countries where the religion IS the government.

[–]Serge3444 16 points17 points ago

Peaceful protest or not, sorry middle east, you cant have my free speech rights.

Your calls for blasphemy laws go against what the western world in general believes is integral and sacred to every single person.

agree or not, people have a civil and HUMAN right to speak their mind freely on ANY subject, in any manner they choose.

Your feelings can be hurt, and your prophet can be shamed. I do not believe in their fucking god, how dare they try and make their god take precedence over my rights.

If you dont agree, fuck you, go live in a country that closer suits your ideas and leave mine alone.

[–]not_a_troll_for_real 5 points6 points ago

The fact that they are protesting against a video is stupid anyway. Suck it up and go on with your lives!

[–]Methone 19 points20 points ago

Still, making a protest with around 500 people, because someone made a silly cartoon, is pretty over the edge imo...

[–]Gennadez 3 points4 points ago

Quite funny one as well.

[–]DIGGYRULES 10 points11 points ago

It may be a peaceful protest, but I don't see any women out there. Are they not allowed?

[–]tinkthank 3 points4 points ago

Men and women don't protest together a lot of Muslim countries, so women are probably there, just not pictured.

Take this picture from Yemen's Arab Spring as an example where men and women protesting are separated, usually by choice: http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/12/22/Foreign/Images/2011-11-30T132404Z_01_SAN109_RTRIDSP_3_YEMEN.jpg

[–]philtomato 1 point2 points ago

I'm a terrible person. i thought it was photoshopped.

[–]numanuma09 2 points3 points ago

To everyone who does not understand the significance of this: If the news were to show this to more Americans, we would not be so quit to draw the "nuke 'em all" card. But instead, the media portrays them as violent, blood-thirsty sand monkeys. This will make it oh! sooooo much easier to get the peoples support when our government wants to get in to another pointless war.

[–]veksone 1 point2 points ago

My wife asked me the other day why moderate muslims don't speak out against the violence and i told her they do but that doesn't fit into the media narrative so they don't cover it

[–]Cajun12 0 points1 point ago

This is all good but too late so to speak. It almost seems like a reaction after knowing the world saw the stupidity and bloodshed over a stupid movie. Also, I didn't see Japan go ape-shit when South Park made fun of their dicks. And I didn't see any other culture go ape-shit either. It's always the religious people causing shit. And well the ideologists as well (Exempli Gratia: capitalists and communists). SO peaceful my ass, crocodile tears to me. And I see no women in the photo, no surprise since Afghanistan is basically ruled by misogyny. All the people of Afghanistan that had common sense left years ago.

[–]chrishamer09 18 points19 points ago

I like how they're all in traditional middle eastern wear, then the one badass is wearing a pink polo, nice slacks and some classy shoes.

[–]kalimi 16 points17 points ago

that's not "middle eastern wear". it's called shalwar kameez and it's worn in south asia, by both men and women (although the women's version is cut differently, and there's greater variety in the designs/patterns).

[–]ditditdit -1 points0 points ago

I like how you are ignorant about other cultures but are gloriously unaware!

[–]BeezowPooPoo_ZGopGop 5 points6 points ago

I think it's safe to say that OP is a faggot.

[–]Jakasaurus 3 points4 points ago

500 people gather to protest a video on youtube...peaceful or not they are still morons.

[–]pirateninjamonkey 4 points5 points ago

This was actually on Fox News a few days ago. Down vote me for watching fox if you wish, but it is true.

[–]itsathrow 4 points5 points ago

These protests bother me though, either violent or peaceful. The lack of women in the photos always bothers me and draws a line back to their lack of respect towards women and their rights.

[–]Rcp41oef 4 points5 points ago

As a soldier who deployed to Afghanistan this makes me very glad to see.

[–]loki2002 0 points1 point ago

Whose fault is that?

[–]lethaltalon 3 points4 points ago

On the contrary! While it wasn't the direct focus of the article, the BBC version of the article about the $100,000 offered for the death of the filmmaker mentioned peaceful protests.

[–]YaroLord 0 points1 point ago

The stupidity going on in this thread is off the charts.

[–]theofficialposter 2 points3 points ago

Translation: "We will rip these hearts from the westerners and eat them."

Ok, not really. But when a "peaceful protest" is news, you know there is a problem. Hopefully the peaceful ones can overwhelm the crazy violent protestors and take back their religion from the zealots giving it a bad name.

[–]TheAethereal -1 points0 points ago

My god! They are carrying placards with human hearts on them. Is this some kind of a threat?!

[–]JimmyBuffalo 2 points3 points ago

They're still protesting against free speech...

[–]willywanka86 0 points1 point ago

It says a lot when people think it should be news when there's a peaceful Muslim protest.

[–]Cat_on_a_Mac 2 points3 points ago

i came in here thinking there would be a bunch of hateful comments... then i realized this wasn't /r/atheism

[–]bricardo 1 point2 points ago

So? Are we suppose to congratulate them for being civil?

[–]ThMick 9 points10 points ago

You know why I won't hear about it on the news? Peaceful protests aren't news.

[–]lalophobia 6 points7 points ago

You know why I will hear it on the news? Because reddit is half my news.

I just take it with the same grain of salt as I would on wikipedia and 'mainstream' news

[–]shawmutt 3 points4 points ago

Where all the women at? Oh...right, Afghanistan...

[–]Montaf5 3 points4 points ago

It's not about people, it's about Quran and Sunnah, It's mentioned directly that those who insult prophet Mohammed must be beheaded and without being asked to repent, prophet Mohammed himself asked Sahhbah to kill those who insulted him after conquering Makkah, I don't know about the protester's opinion about blasphemy laws tbh, but I think they can't be called Muslims without believing in it. At least they will ask for special laws preventing insulting Mohammed and Islam in other countries, and that's bad.

[–]thrawaya 4 points5 points ago

The same kind of peaceful protests also happened in Pakistan but only the violent ones got the attention from everyone. http://dawn.com/2012/09/22/demonstrators-in-pakistan-protest-peacefully-against-anti-islam-film/

[–]Stones25 0 points1 point ago

While this is awesome, and anyone should have the freedom to demonstrate like this, they probably have tons of ISAF security around them making sure the route is clear.

[–]CoolerRon 2 points3 points ago

UP NEXT ON FOX NEWS: Afghanistan protesters calling for the film maker's heart, show pictures of cut-up heart.

[–]Roham21 0 points1 point ago

Because the embassies in Kabul are to heavy secured.

[–]revoopychris 0 points1 point ago

Why do they all have the exact same sign?

[–]Knollz 0 points1 point ago

It's shitty that these efforts to create peaceful communication are generally ignored by media.

[–]ChrisHernandez 2 points3 points ago

What do their signs say?

[–]ipunished 9 points10 points ago

The name of the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) in arabic

[–]uhmhi -1 points0 points ago

Piss Be Upon Him?

[–]lordeddardstark 15 points16 points ago

"Long haired freaky people need not apply"

[–]itsbebsi 2 points3 points ago

Our favorite leader Muhammad

[–]GOPWN 0 points1 point ago

Minutes later a car bomb exploded and killed them all.

ISLAM MEANS PEACE!

[–]ahmad69 3 points4 points ago

That is a beautiful picture OP. If only people all over this world knew how peaceful and quiet Afghanistan was there wouldn't be any discrimination and hatred towards them. It's been in K-OS since my mom was in her early twenties, now she's turning 45. Burns her heart to see the city of Kabul suffering from torture, bullets being fired at and the lives of innocent people being taken away. Brings me tears talking about it.

[–]Fasterthanapigeon 0 points1 point ago

Jokes on you. Just heard about it.

[–]joho0 0 points1 point ago

I actually heard about this on the CBS this Sunday morning.

[–]Nenor -1 points0 points ago

Even though it is shameful that they are protesting against free speech, it's nice of them to not slaughter anyone in the process this time.

[–]Alinosburns 1 point2 points ago

Not to be that guy.

But I would argue that Muslim's being peaceful in the countries where Islam is the major religion makes sense.

They aren't getting angry at the white cop who doesn't understand why they have taken to the streets over some video.

If there leaders who share their faith aren't already doing something. Protesting isn't going to change anything. Because unlike the western counterparts. These people are probably feeling similar feelings about the video. But are probably clear headed and not scared of the terrorists supposedly hiding under every rock. To make rash decisions about their stance on video's like this.


Other side of the coin is they might just be shot over there if they did go on a violent protest I guess.

[–]getpoopedon 1 point2 points ago

This is inspiring, but what about free speech? I understand the different cultures but what can the US do? I think if Muhammad was completely censored this would just lead to other things being censored by the government. Scary because I can actually see that happening in the US and other parts of the world.

[–]Andi_Watt 0 points1 point ago

If only they would put that energy is something more productive.

[–]FiP 1 point2 points ago

A friend of mine wrote a piece on another peacefull protest in Casablanca, Morocco, and no news outlet wants to buy it.

[–]lowrads 0 points1 point ago

Historically, most irate humans keep things pretty low-key when there is a massive foreign army diddling about.

[–]Pulptastic -1 points0 points ago

This conflicts with my stereotype! Can someone point me towards pictures of cats?

[–]cyclone852 0 points1 point ago

Let's be real though. The reason this does not get much coverage is that these people are by far the minority. While it is important to recognize those who stand up against fanaticism, it is ALSO important to keep an eye on people who want to blow shit up. Some might argue even more important.

[–]hyperfunkulus 0 points1 point ago

Why can't we take a picture in these countries that doesn't look like it was taken in 1974?

[–]Firehand101 -1 points0 points ago

But we hear it on reddit...and that's what makes our community so special :)

[–]Tobius__Funke 0 points1 point ago

I know I'm going to get called a conspiracy nut, but the reason you won't see this sort of stuff in the msm is because of Iran.

Present Islam as friendly and peaceful as seen in this picture, then people won't want to go to war with Iran. Present them as mad as fuck like last week, and the people are more inclined to go to Iran.

You see it on shit like Fox or Dailymail messages when the context of Iran is up, people ready to bomb them just because of these actions.

[–]hallucynogenyc 1 point2 points ago

Most of you didn't hear a peacuful protest that took place in Barcelona two weeks ago which was 3000 times bigger than this one, I'm not disappointed...

[–]Filmitforme -1 points0 points ago

Wait you mean....w won't hear about this on the news ?? I am shocked, you mean the mainstream media wants to demonize Afghanistan to rile up nationalism. The poor people, well I am glad at least some people know about this it is better than no one acknowledging it.

[–]DohRayMe 0 points1 point ago

Russia Today Tv channel seems unbiased.

[–]RedderNeckanize 1 point2 points ago

The media likes attention and they need ratings. Anything that they feel might effect that is deemed not newsworthy.They are no longer news agencies, they are beauty contests and tabloids.

[–]horribledad -1 points0 points ago

I saw this on the news the other day.

[–]tragik007 1 point2 points ago

Don't fall for it. Those are bombs.