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After Death (imgur.com)
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[–]tgdrake10 38 points39 points40 points 8 hours ago
Am I the only atheist who fears death? I mean, you literally CEASE FUCKING EXISTING. That's some scary ass shit. And yeah, I know the argument of "Well, was it scary before you were born?" but fuck that shit. That's like saying "Well, you were fine with living at your parents when you were younger, why wouldn't you want to go back for all eternity?" NOOOOOOOOO, I WANNA LIVE!
[–]Nisas 16 points17 points18 points 5 hours ago
I don't want to die if that's what you mean. But it's not like I'll mind being dead once I am dead. Not existing didn't bother me before I was born.
The only way I can imagine such a thing being a scary proposition is if I had to sit there, consciously experiencing blackness or something, but obviously this is not the case.
At worst, I find death extremely disappointing. I want to know what will happen in the world after my death. Hitchens used to joke about how believers never really know what to say about why heaven is good or what there is to do. Before I became an atheist, my idea of heaven was getting to see the entirety of human development in the future. I want to know how far we make it, and what kinds of technology are possible.
Death is just a disappointing fact that prevents me from being able to see more of human progress.
[–]joliette_le_paz 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
You've summed up exactly how I feel about the prospect of death, it honestly is disappointing, which in itself is an insult to man's greatest fear.
[–]zjb55446 -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago
Reposts are nothing to us...because new redditors will upvote it, and it will eventually reach the front page...
[–]naturalethic 5 points6 points7 points 4 hours ago
Coming to terms with death is all growing up really is.
[–]delinquentme 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago
coping mechanism bullshit.
[–]naturalethic 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
I specifically meant ones own death.
[–]Secondsemblance 0 points1 point2 points 15 minutes ago
No, growing up is just getting bitter and jaded.
[–]AdroitImage 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
You're not alone. I really don't get how people can just dismiss it.
[–]yaysuekristy 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
What else should people do, just sit in a corner of a padded cell rocking away repeating "I'm going to die" over and over until it happens?
[–]Aitamen 0 points1 point2 points 26 minutes ago
pretty much this.
Much like atheism itself (there is no evidence for god, so acting like there is is worthless), I see my lack of concern about death as pragmatism, if nothing else.
Both in terms of my own mortality and the mortality of others, I try my best not to waste time dwelling on the death, just on the changes that it brings, and while I could be seen, perhaps, as cold, I don't see why that's really such a bad thing, sometimes...
[–]JimieVak 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
You don't stop existing, your corpse still lies there? Wherever you passed. All of the mass and energy that was in your body gets transferred to other things through time. Your body is broken down by bacteria and worms/maggots after you are buried, the creatures release you into soil, the plants use you for nutrients, you get released into the air as oxygen, and then your dead body makes breathable air for the living. Your death helps the world go round. You don't stop existing, you become part of the earth.
[–]tgdrake10 15 points16 points17 points 7 hours ago
YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS LITERALLY CEASES TO FUCKING EXIST.
[–]LDukes 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
I know, right? It's got to be about the same as that time before you were born. Remember how bad that was?
[–]tgdrake10 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Are you mentally handicapped? I addressed this poor excuse for reasoning in my original post.
[–]LDukes 5 points6 points7 points 6 hours ago
No, you didn't. You dismissed it, then used a sloppy analogy in an attempt to justify your refusal to consider the uniqueness of the situation.
[–]infallibleevil 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
It won't be that bad, everyone else is gonna do it too.
[–]delinquentme 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Bingo. This person is a sentient being. You've passed the my turing test.
[–]LBORBAH -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
You did not exist for 13 billion years before now don't sweat it.
[–]MoroccoBotix 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Stephen Crane had a great quote about the universe:
A man said to the universe: "Sir, I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation."
A man said to the universe: "Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation."
[–]meh100 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
So why is murder bad?
[–]Shinpachi 0 points1 point2 points 33 minutes ago
Because it's hypocritical to perform (from that stance). If one was to be truly okay with murder for the sole reason that life has no value at all, then one should kill oneself before all others, being that it is by far the most convenient person to kill. Otherwise, killing others but not yourself is effectively saying "My life has some value or meaning that others don't."
That's a deontological argument.
[–]yeathl 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
While I hear what you are saying, I can say I don't feel that way... Life is pain, at least for most humans. If it weren't for the inherent desire to learn more, do more, and teach more, I'd have "slept in the bed of Nature's making" long long ago.
We might be the most intelligent animal on this planet, but we are still just that, animals that have done little more than invent more efficient ways of starting fires, propelling arrows, and combining both those activities for the past 100,000 years.
Being amazed at our "feats" is like being amazed when a species of lizard managed to learn to hunt birds in the trees rather than just on the ground.
Except Styrofoam. That is the one thing we will ultimately leave to the earth for part of eternity! A truly unique substance!
[edit: that being said, if robot bodies that feel no physical or emotional paiun become available before I die, Yeathl will choke a bitch to get one!!!!!!]
[–]Shinpachi 0 points1 point2 points 28 minutes ago
I think choking a bitch actually gets you put to the back of the line for robot bodies.
Also, F robot bodies, digital world is going to be where it's at; Reality 2.0!
"I don't wanna die. I just wanna ride my motorcy...
cle!"
[–]Arizth 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Embrace Nihilism.
Stop caring, and nothing really phases you anymore.
Also, this is my new wallpaper. Wheeeeee~~~
[–]Lunights 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
I'm become more curious about it. Fear is no longer an issue.
[–]nikomo 0 points1 point2 points 17 minutes ago
I just moved out and took a student loan.
Honestly, after realizing how hurt your butt is going to be when you have to start paying back that loan, I'm pretty much at peace with everything for the next couple of years.
[–]gerry148 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Yea......I have those episodes of fear and worry. thats the biggest reason why I want to live forever. Still, I'm holding out for the hope that when I'm 90 or so I won't want to live any longer.....unless I still have a good body due to science. In which case I'll be fucking bitches for a while longer.
This.
People come up with UTTER bullshit coping mechanisms
" life being finite makes it sweet " .. Um no it fucking doesn't.
I'm glad that the thoughtful individuals actually say shit in here.
SO NOW WHAT DO WE DO?
1) We work on automated biological research robotics!
2) Dirt-cheap genome sequencing
3) Synthetic biology to replace the malfunctioning cells.
[–]REdd06 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Exactly. I think as soon as a feasible life extension process goes mainstream, people won't be so glib about Death. It's going to take a major paradigm shift, though, and there's going to be a LOT of resistance from the super-religious.
Bill Gates is taking a great first step by stating one of his major life goals is to make "unnecessary deaths drop to zero". I think the next step will be to realize that most deaths are unnecessary in and of themselves.
[–]jonaheim88 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 hours ago
eh, to be fair, its the process of dying that's scary. we fear dying..not death.
[–]sgtkang 11 points12 points13 points 10 hours ago
Whelp, I've got my new background.
[–]codythomashunsberger 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
I didn't notice it was high-res until you said that. Danke!
[–]ZTreyJ 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
I said the same thing. Although I feel bad for replacing my pooch...
[–]Daerkyl 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
I did the same thing.
[–]weshouldlove 4 points5 points6 points 8 hours ago
My "Papa" died to today. And I can say he didn't fear death at all. He had brain cancer after getting his eye removed about a year back they thought they had removed it. But they hadn't and it eventually spread to his brain. I awoke this morning to a text from my mom (Whom is divorced from my father and keeps in contact randomly with family) to "Hey papa has passed away" I haven't spoken to my father in about 6 months since he showed up at my work wanted to talk and wanted me to come over that night (To tell me my Papa had cancer) but I went and hung out with friends instead. When I heard the news a few weeks later I didn't think much about it they said he had 3-6 months to live and he had refused chemotherapy. He wasn't the kind of man that prolonged life he dealt with it at every turn. No bullshit my Papa was a man, always. I never had much of a relationship with my fathers side of the family except going to the traditional holidays to spend a few hours. I didn't know him very well but I can assure you he didn't fear death had been accepted and friended a long time ago.
[–]gabypoo 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Wow, you and your family are very strong. It's kind of admirable.
[–]robi120i 6 points7 points8 points 11 hours ago
But you:
A) See other people dying
B) Think about you dying
So death isn't nothing to us. When we die it's over, but still during our life we will fear death and feel sad for others.
[–]_Woop_Woop_ 7 points8 points9 points 9 hours ago
I fear death no more than I fear tomorrow's sunrise.
Unavoidable facts of life are to be humbly accepted, not to be feared.
In addition its pathetically memetic that we roll over and accept rape from something like this.
Dont fucking tell me that its inevitable you fucking assbag. In 1000 years are people still going to only live to be 80? No fucking way.
your assertions = destroyed.
OK so if IN 1000 years people will live to be vastly longer... how do we move from where we are at .. TO living longer?
[–]yourebreakinmyballs 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
it's like whatever man
[–]_Woop_Woop_ 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Yes, acceptance is an extremely effective way to cope with unavoidable facts.
Dont fucking tell me that its inevitable you fucking assbag.
It's inevitable, regardless of how angry that makes you.
[–]Deracination -1 points0 points1 point 11 hours ago
It should read "Death should be nothing to us."
[–]Ogel6000 6 points7 points8 points 12 hours ago
multiple time repost but what the fuck have an upvote, that's my favourite philosopher.
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[–]Lutanist 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
Could somebody please tell me the font in the picture?
Please guys I think its rather neat!
[–]hett 2 points3 points4 points 9 hours ago
Diablo
[–]Lutanist 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
Thanks braj
[–]Refilon 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
What's the font? I'd really like to know.
[–]GoldBeerCap 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
This is really profound and I am too not high to fully appreciate this quote.
[–]WhoIsWreckin 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
I have this tattooed on my ribs
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 hours ago
I think that when we die, we 'wake up'.
[–]b_turner 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
upvote for diablo font
[–]codythomashunsberger 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
Repost, but I was trying to remember what this quote was the other day so there you go.
[–]Hreinzi 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
but me sure to be scared of it, cause it makes you jump further
[–]iralisegendary 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Repost, but have an upvote anyway cos it's a freaking great quote.
Epicurus was epic.
[–]Kneefetish 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Omg chills
[–]DriveByStoning 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
This is what Coldhands looks like in my head, except he's riding a moose and there are crows instead of bats. So basically, nothing like Coldhands. Never mind.
[–]Shadowstep33 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
I had to log in just to upvote this. I too have a new background
[–]lvlninepidgey 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Am I the only one picking up a scent of diablo text?
[–]fieroturbo 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
So if I read this right, I am immortal until I die.
That clarifies things alot... thanks.
[–]Carg72 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Isn't this out of a 2nd Edition Dungeons and Dragons sourcebook? Planescape perhaps?
[–]Nisas 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
I wonder if this qualifies as a Deepity as per Daniel Dennett.
A deepity being defined as a phrase such that to the extent that it's true, it's trivial, but contains a false component which would be earth shattering if true.
"Death is nothing to us." This is false. Death clearly isn't nothing to us. Death is the thing that ends us. It's not unimportant. However, it would be earth shattering if death really was nothing to us.
"When we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not." This is trivial. It's just a rundown of the definitions of life and death. While we are alive, we are not dead and vice-versa.
[–]quickie57 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
It is a rundown of the definition of death. That's the point of the quote: by definition, it is silly to worry about death, when you think of it.
Given that you are no longer conscious when dead, it is impossible to assign a value, good or bad or even neutral, to it. It is impossible for living to be better or worse than it.
It is a deepity in that death does matter to most humans, but the intent of the quote is to show that it shouldn't.
No its worth worrying about because sentience is a fucking party
and you're not invited to all the cool shit that happens...
not to mention not IF but instead when we vastly start extending human lives .. there will be a group of people who are the last of their kind to die of what we call a "normal lifespan"
Do you want to be one of the last humans to die? The very last human to live to only be 80 years old? While the rest of us sail off into the thousands of years of life?
No I dont fucking think so. So pull your head out of your ass.
[–]Vivipwns26 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
But what do we say to Death?
[–]REdd06 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago
Either "Not Today" or "What does Marcellus Wallace look like?"
[–]PandaSex666 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
This has actually been my background for months. Well done, easily one of my favorite quotes AND pictures!
[–]Bruce-Lee-was-taken 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Read this while listening to halogen by neon indian....awesome
[–]Stackman32 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 hours ago
That's what's so illogical about atheism: the atheist can never be proven right, whereas those that believe in God can never be proven to be wrong. It is entirely nonsensical to proclaim atheism as a logical philosophy.
[–]quickie57 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Actually, that depends on your standard of proof. Raise it high enough, and even if God comes to you in person you can disbelieve.
I think what you're conflating is reason and reason and faith. If you are an atheist who makes the active assertion, i.e. believes that no gods exist, as opposed to simply not believing that gods exist, then you can hold this view with absolute, dogmatic faith and hold it no matter what. Anything that is in the realm of faith cannot be proven or disproven logically because it is outside the realm of logic. Of course, few atheists are like this.
And that's why many scientists are atheists - because it does lie within the realm of logic, and is bound to logic, so it can be disproven. Otherwise, it would be an article of faith. Your argument is, essentially, that without faith you cannot believe anything absolutely and truly. That's the point! We're atheists because we lack faith.
[–]and_then__ 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
non fui fui non sum
[–]yellowswitch 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
This, literally, has nothing to do with atheism.
[–]ZaphodsOtherHead 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
It's a nice idea, but I think Philip Larkin was more correct when he wrote "Aubade". As Hitchens said about the poem "atheists ought not to be offering consolation either"
This is a special way of being afraid
No trick dispels. Religion used to try,
That vast, moth-eaten musical brocade
Created to pretend we never die,
And specious stuff that says No rational being
Can fear a thing it will not feel, not seeing
That this is what we fear - no sight, no sound,
No touch or taste or smell, nothing to think with,
Nothing to love or link with,
The anasthetic from which none come round.
source:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/books/review/mortality-by-christopher-hitchens.html?pagewanted=all
[–]BigEasyBobcat 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
This is like, really fucking deep.
[–]Milkslinger 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Upvote for Diablo font.
[–]LycanMan 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
BUSTED
[–]meh100 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
That's what makes it so sad. Don't get it twisted. The reason that things like murder are so bad is because death is something to all of us, in that it is nothing to all of us in the sense Epicurus is speaking.
[–]flamesflight 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
Coach roaches in their little styrofoam castles are all that will remain.
[–]Lvl100WhiteKnight 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
The gloomy choice of picture and sinister font don't exactly help.
[–]MicrowaveCola 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
I think this is false because it assumes our non-existence prior to our birth is somehow parallel to our non-existence after our death. This doesn't seem to be the case. After all, what makes death an evil isn't simply the quality of non-existence. It's the negation of life. Thus, it is still rational to be deeply concerned with death - once we've lived, most of us would rather not cease living.
[–]OoogaOoogaYoink 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
Repost, but up vote anyway because it's awesome.
[–]U2_is_gay 0 points1 point2 points 36 minutes ago
Eh. It's the anticipation more than anything. Like standing in line for a roller coaster.
[–]Bcmonks 0 points1 point2 points 34 minutes ago
Am I the only one that thinks of Diablo when you see the lettering?
[–]Secondsemblance 0 points1 point2 points 6 minutes ago
Yeah, death is pretty intense. I have no evidence to back this up, but it is commonly hypothesized that your brain floods with n,n DMT during death. The effects are very similar to reported near death experiences as well.
And I have a fair share of experience with DMT. It feels... significant. More important than anything you've ever felt before. It washes over you and makes you feel like a speck of sand tumbling through a roaring wave. But it's not a bad feeling. You know you can't fight back, so you accept it. And if you accept it and let it take you, then it comforts you and this incredible sense of peace closes over you.
If you fight it though, it becomes grotesquely terrifying. You see your body from above, twisting and contorting, with blood pouring everywhere and this deafening roar fills your ears... yeah, it's not very pleasant. Unfortunately though, I used to work in inland search and rescue, and we considered "the will to live" as the single most important vital sign in a person. Once you give up and accept death, you will die. So if you get badly injured and you want to live, you better be prepared for the most frightening fight of your life.
[–]rareas 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
It's like saying it's not the fall that kills you but the sudden stop at the bottom.
It's not the un-being, we've all been un-beings before we were born. No biggy there. It's the transition that's got me worried.
[–]ErechBelmont 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
Hopefully soon, science will advance to a point where death will no longer come. Science will defeat death. It's just a matter of time.
why the fuck is this downvoted?
[–]ErechBelmont 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
I wish I knew.
[–]dwellufool 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
problem with that is natural human evolution would stop if everyone was immortal. there should be a billion catches to doing this in your species so it can keep progressing.
[–]GoldBeerCap 6 points7 points8 points 9 hours ago
Would you rather die to continue random alterations to our genetic structure or live forever?
depends on the alterations. not all of them are random.
[–]GoldBeerCap -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
Which ones were guided with intent and purpose?
[–]ErechBelmont 2 points3 points4 points 8 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with stopping natural evolution. I don't disagree that it will stop (to an extent) but I really don't think that's a bad thing. We will still continue to evolve, it's just that nature will no longer take the wheel, we will. We as a species will be able to carry our own evolution forward, guiding it where we please.
[–]dwellufool 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
I don't know if any of us here are quite qualified to be able to foresee the negatives and positives this would have on our species in the long run. It is a nice thought, one that I share sometimes.
I'm more than certain it will have a high price on our species. just a matter of good or bad price we really have to figure out.. which is a little hard to quantify. doesn't mean we shouldn't try to, though.
[–]IrishPub 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Why would being immortal halt Human evolution? Would we stop all procreation because we feel there is no longer a need? Even if we become immortal, that does not mean we are everlasting. We can still die, so I see no reason that we aren't still reproducing, and thus evolution still acting upon us.
[–]dwellufool 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
The problem I think of first whenever immortality comes up is that you've got humans, as far as they've evolved, from the year 2000 procreating with people from the year 5000, who are a very changed* species.
also, we can't support everyone being immortal on this planet whatsoever. we would have to cease procreation unless we started expanding to other planets at a pretty fast rate.
[–]IrishPub 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
Why can't we also be on other planets? We are already getting close (20 years or so) to getting Humans on Mars. I do not think that by that time, we will have immortality. So it's fair to assume that when we do have that ability, colonization of other planets will have already been underway. That clears up any space issue. As for mixing older Humans with younger ones, who's to say what implications that would have, if any? Immortality raises a plethora of questions, the least of which involves how we would mingle with distant offspring. The biggest problem would be about who gets to be immortal and who doesn't. Is it available to everyone? What about the social implications? Will people see it as an affront to god? Obviously people will disapprove and there will be civil unrest. With so many possible implications to consider, it is pretty foolish to speculate about how we would breed people from 2000 with people from 5000. It seems like a non-issue.
[–]dwellufool 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago*
a lot of it seems like a non-issue. just think of the things that you wouldn't think are an issue first, they'll probably be an issue. it's a pretty big topic with tons of room for problems to occur.
we -can- be on other planets, I'm not saying we can't, but as it seems right now we're not too close to being able to do that. I am* more thinking of this as the ability to become immortal in the next 50 years.
we're not "breeding" people, they're just having sex at random times like humans would. but if we're just taking out value of natural evolution it wouldn't matter I'd guess.
edited grammar
[–]rmsersen 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
What about the social implications? Will people see it as an affront to god?
Most believers would certainly reject the opportunity to be immortal, as they would rather die and go to whatever eternal paradise they believe in. They will die, leaving the rest of us behind to thrive and progress. And this is how natural selection weeds religion out of our species. Brilliant.
[–]IrishPub 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
The thing is, religious types don't stay quiet and stick to themselves. It doesn't matter that they don't have to participate in something they don't like or feel comfortable with, they will make it their business to try and stop it so nobody can partake in it. We can see that happening now, and I don't see immortality as being any different. When I was talking to my mom about Human immortality and personally wanting to live "forever", she just laughed and said "You can with god and in the kingdom of heaven." So, while most want immortality, the religious type only want it after they are dead...which doesn't make sense to me.
They want it because it's tied into their reality. If you poke holes in that, then everything they have done as part of the rules of that reality come into question.
What may be even more terrifying to them is that, in the back of their minds, they realize that if this comes true, they might have the option of choosing. Do they choose a definite life extension that science has proven works? Or do they stick with their faith, a faith they have lived their whole lives, and die so that they can be with their family in the afterlife? That's going to drive most of them absolutely nuts.
[–]IrishPub 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago
It would absolutely be a tough decision for them because of their faith, which is unfortunate. Who wouldn't want to see their loved ones again? I'm sure everyone would. Regardless of if you're religious or not. But without evidence, I wouldn't just forgo immortality here and now, for something that has no evidence to back it up. But I digress. I didn't mean to get into the religious side of this.
The thing is once people STOP dying ... there will be no need for something else.
THE ORIGINAL THING that religion offered and YES the cascading theme across every religion is what??
LifeEverlasting™
Be it Heaven, be it hell ... be it rebirth yadda ya.
[–]delinquentme 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
Human evolution in the Darwinian sense has effectively already ceased. AKA you've got a shitty reason here to accept death.
[–]brutal_doodies 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
TIL Epicurious had shitty grammar.
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