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Google maps vs. Apple maps in one picture (ouch) (imgur.com)

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[–]redditor9000 454 points455 points ago

Yea- that sucks. hurry up, google maps app!

[–]xfcanadian 53 points54 points ago

google maps works pretty good in the chrome app....which i am now going to have to use. I bus everywhere, the new map app is useless.

[–]otrcincinnati 18 points19 points ago

You and me both maps.google.com here we come!!

[–]masklinn 15 points16 points ago

google maps works pretty good in the chrome app....

Google Maps works even better in Safari, since it can use a faster JS runtime.

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    [–]Steve_J0bs[S] 133 points134 points ago

    Is this for real happening? I thought it was just a rumor...

    [–]clarkster 193 points194 points ago

    And the Google Maps app from iOS 5 was a pale shadow of the amazing Maps on Android. This may be a blessing in disguise and Google will bring the good stuff over to iOS too.

    [–]pstrmclr 32 points33 points ago

    Just so it's clear, Apple developed both apps. The iOS 5 version uses google map data and routing engine whereas the new version uses OpenStreet maps for the base map layer, TomTom for a large portion of the map data, and Apple developed it's own engine for routing.

    [–]TheCrafter 121 points122 points ago

    So it's a lot worse, basically.

    [–]awittygamertag 31 points32 points ago

    A half-assed Frankenstein.

    [–]TheCrafter 35 points36 points ago

    Lets be real. Frankenstein was already pretty shitty.

    I feel like my next phone is gonna be something other than the iPhone. I've had one since the beginning but I dunno.

    Fuck phones, I wish I just had a landline with a fucking answering machine.

    [–]supersede 23 points24 points ago

    i read that as landmine the first time but i was like fuck it, give it an answering machine

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      [–]hairysack 5 points6 points ago

      Worse for many

      [–]dgb75 1 point2 points ago

      I knew a while ago when I heard they were using OpenStreet that we were fucked.

      [–]farrbahren 48 points49 points ago

      Doubtful. They paid big bucks to produce that nav app for Android in order to draw users in.

      [–]Gorbzel 114 points115 points ago

      Doubtful. They're a search and to the same extent data company. Losing 365m devices hurts them more than the (mostly non-existant) revenue they get from Android.

      [–]muyuu 10 points11 points ago

      Soft pressure.

      The difference is big enough that they can provide something noticeably better than Apple Maps and still noticeably worse than Android's offering, to draw users in.

      Not saying they will, but it's what I would expect them to do under these circumstances.

      [–]tomoniki 19 points20 points ago

      I would expect a great app from Google. Since Apple doesn't let you change the default app settings people will get frustrated having to keep jumping to the great map app and wish their phone had it standard. That's the way to get people to jump over.

      [–]andrew_depompa 54 points55 points ago

      Google made more from iOS than it did from Android

      [–]vluhd 110 points111 points ago

      Non-editorialized title: Google makes its money from advertising, not OS sales.

      [–]jsimpson82 17 points18 points ago

      Bingo. Android is not a platform to make money for Google.

      Android is a platform to provide advertising, and thus make money for Google.

      [–]timothyjwood 5 points6 points ago

      OS sales

      I thought android was a free program?

      [–]kiddfroster 1 point2 points ago

      It's not actually. It's free if you fork it and make your ecosystem.

      [–]timothyjwood 7 points8 points ago

      As a person who has no idea what you are talking about, what the are you talking about?

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        [–]sovok 2 points3 points ago

        And Microsoft makes more money with Android than with Windows Mobile/Phone

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                [–]istara 18 points19 points ago

                Try a satellite map comparison. I nearly wept.

                [–]racergr 4 points5 points ago

                Can we see it?

                [–]istara 15 points16 points ago

                I posted here - it's as near as I can get it, but it seems that the sky-angle is different.

                Obviously the main issue is the resolution. This area is metro Sydney.

                [–]jonnablaze 7 points8 points ago

                At least your city is in color. The satelite photos of my town is in B&W.

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                    [–]u0da2 0 points1 point ago

                    Seems to work nicely in central London the new application.

                    [–]goatworship 0 points1 point ago

                    I'm sure Google will be releasing an app, but in the meantime you can always reach it with a browser.

                    The old maps app was useless in low connectivity areas. On a road trip if you download the maps for your route through a service-less no-mans land in advance, you had to be careful to not accidentally change the scale of the map or you would loose everything and become suddenly mapless. If Apple's map has addressed this issue, it has validated its existence.

                    It's pretty short sighted to assume they won't be adding more details as their maps mature, just as Google did.

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                      [–]fishbert 268 points269 points ago

                      Tip: To get Google Maps back on your home screen, visit maps.google.com and save it as a web app.
                      (most handy for mass transit directions)

                      [–]pill_popper 57 points58 points ago

                      Clunky and takes much longer. Far inferior to having a native app.

                      [–]kashiwagi 12 points13 points ago

                      Much better with a nice interface and useless data.

                      [–]topplehat 9 points10 points ago

                      It is a bit clunky but the data from Google Maps is noticeably (and painfully) better than the Apple implementation.

                      [–]vlet 2 points3 points ago

                      Wait, did they actually remove the app from the store?

                      [–]pill_popper 2 points3 points ago

                      Google maps was never in the store. It was bundled in with the iPhone, as a native app.

                      It's gone if you update to iOS 6.

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                        [–]imladris 22 points23 points ago

                        Thank you, that was a good idea. Much better than the crappy Apple maps. Unfortunately also much worse than the maps app in iOS 5. I am disappointed in Apple for this choice.

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                          [–]btnheazy03 417 points418 points ago

                          "We reduced the clutter for you. It's a feature, not a bug."

                          Love, Apple

                          [–]cf0ed2aa-bdf5-4ef6-a 105 points106 points ago

                          Oh, I guess I was just using it wrong.

                          Thanks Apple.

                          [–]STIPULATE 5 points6 points ago

                          Haha, no worries. We tried to make our iOS as intuitive and minimalistic as possible. That's why we removed most clutters from the map!

                          Love, Apple

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                            [–]mindbleach 25 points26 points ago

                            It would be a nice slider to have. Pity theirs would stop well before Google's.

                            [–]dbvapor 6 points7 points ago

                            Ooh, I like that idea! A slider for level of detail, brilliant!

                            [–]merreborn 3 points4 points ago

                            This map represents what we think the area surrounding Bowling Green should look like. We're leaving it up to you to make reality reflect the vision expressed in our maps.

                            Love, Apple

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                              [–]pickupnote 254 points255 points ago

                              As someone who has visited Bowling Green University, I must say that the iOS 6 version is a far more accurate depiction. Most boring place I've ever been.

                              [–]PrimordialMetatron 17 points18 points ago

                              I'm just a bit amazed that out of all the schools out there, my school is chosen for such an example... like you said, its the most boring place ever.

                              [–]RoboCop-A-Feel 13 points14 points ago

                              Maybe it was created by a student with nothing better to do.

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                                [–]juraffe 2 points3 points ago

                                The name alone bores me.

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                                  [–]glaven 41 points42 points ago

                                  As someone who has worked on that campus for 8 years now, I think the worst part isn't that their is less data, it is the fact that the apple map is just wrong.

                                  There hasn't been a connection between Ridge Street and Wooster through campus like that in 4 and a half years. I have no idea what the upside down T coming off Thurstin near Ridge is, but it is not a real road for sure.

                                  Lastly, and I think most awesome, is that circle in the middle of another fake road coming off Ridge and going to Wooster is exactly where I work in Hayes Hall. I can fully attest that my office is not, in fact, a road.

                                  [–]jump_drastic 10 points11 points ago

                                  Get your shit together apple.

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                                    [–]sulaymanf 189 points190 points ago

                                    My school had that, but I added the stuff into OpenStreetMap a few months ago, and I'm happy to see that Apple copied them over into their maps. If your stuff is missing, have someone add it.

                                    [–]roswellb 4 points5 points ago

                                    It is the same for Google Maps. When Google Maps got introduced none of their maps were that detailed. In 2011 Google released Google Map Maker for the United States and from that point on users were able to add more detail to the Google Maps that everyone uses. -source; I'm a Top Contributor for Google Maps and Google Places.

                                    [–]gibnihtmus 3 points4 points ago

                                    Does apple get their maps from this source?

                                    [–]sprashoo 52 points53 points ago

                                    This comment is key, and should be at the top, rather than the ignorant angry comments that are getting upvoted.

                                    Apple switched from Google's proprietary (but mature) maps data to Openstreetmap.org's relatively new open map data. No, Apple doesn't live update from Openstreetmap, but they will certainly update regularly, meaning that if there is a lack of information on a map around you, you can do something about it directly.

                                    Go here: http://www.openstreetmap.org

                                    Look around. See something missing? Add it! Everyone benefits.

                                    Apple has taken an open route, Google a closed one, and everyone is bashing Apple for it because it causes them some degree of short-term inconvenience. That's shortsighted on multiple levels, and not least because Apple has a long and highly successful track record of making disruptive changes that inconvenience users in the short term and benefit them (and sometimes everyone else too) in the long term.

                                    With enough participation, Openstreetmap can overtake Google's closed system, but if everyone just sits back, complains, and waits to be handed a GoogleMaps app, nothing will happen. It's Microsoft Encarta vs Wikipedia, circa 2002.

                                    [–]bollockitis 24 points25 points ago

                                    Most consumers don't want to participate in mapping their neighborhoods and, more importantly, they shouldn't have to. I am an Apple user and I will gladly defend Apple when they deserve it (which is the majority of the time), but Apple deserves to get shit for this. Apple is known for polish, and for getting the details right. Usually, they won't ship a feature until it is done. In this case, they shipped a feature that cripples their flagship product.

                                    And why? They didn't do it because they wanted an open system. They did it because they were tired of paying Google for its maps. I'm all for Apple's attempts at doing maps. Apple does best when it controls its products from front to back, and maps integration is pretty important so I hope they succeed. But maps integration is pretty important and they have pissed a lot of people off and played right into a late-night gag.

                                    Coming on the heels of a petty lawsuit, Apple seems to be acting more and more petty, and laypeople—regular users like my mother and my wife—are starting to notice. That is bad, and you should be willing to call Apple out on it. The sooner they correct this, the sooner it goes away.

                                    [–]sprashoo 2 points3 points ago

                                    Agreed - to an extent. It's a rocky transition to be sure, and it seems that if there was any way to do it, at least having a choice of map data providers would have been ideal until Apple's map data was up to par.

                                    As for consumers participating, well, it only takes one person to update a neighborhood for everyone to benefit, so I don't see this as necessarily a bad thing.

                                    [–]michael73072 49 points50 points ago

                                    Google Maps isn't completely closed, they have Google Mapmaker where you can edit pretty much everything.

                                    [–]immortalsix 11 points12 points ago

                                    True that. I added my (new) street and it was added to google maps a week later. They (a robot) emailed to thank me and everything.

                                    [–]redwall_hp 2 points3 points ago

                                    That's not open, it's still a proprietary, closed system. They're just asking you to contribute data for them.

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                                      [–]frogger42 26 points27 points ago

                                      What happened to the Apple philosophy of things "Just working"? Now is it, it just works when you do lots of things to make it work?

                                      [–]JamesR624 9 points10 points ago

                                      That philosophy died with their CEO.

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                                        [–]laser_lights 11 points12 points ago

                                        The problem I see with this is the amount of exposure OSM is going to get now. If we double or triple the number of people editing OSM, we are going to have to see a lot more effort put into verifying all that information. Malicious content, blunders, and georegistration issues will arise from the number of inexperienced contributors adding to OSM. I'm interested to see if it has an effect and how they will handle it.

                                        [–]sprashoo 8 points9 points ago

                                        Sure, but I think an increase in the number of people interested and participating will basically be a good thing, especially when it comes to getting data. These empty university campuses indicate that nobody from those universities was aware of or cared about openstreetmap. That will change quickly.

                                        iOS integration will have a huge effect on openstreetmap.

                                        [–]laser_lights 2 points3 points ago

                                        Sure, there will be a lot more data, but with any crowdsourcing project, that also means you need a lot more trained eyes to verify that the data being submitted is actually correct. Many crowdsourcing projects have failed because of the flood of data from users that needs to be checked/corrected and the resulting bottleneck. That bottleneck could really slow down the whole system. I hope that it has an overall positive effect. I think that OSM must have a system in place to handle this, especially since they have been around for a while now.

                                        [–]trai_dep 3 points4 points ago

                                        People thought the same about Wikipedia when the notion was novel, too.

                                        Crowd-sourcing will fix errors and malicious content as they happen. Trolls get bored, or hit puberty and realize there’s wooing to give a go.

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                                          [–]specialk16 4 points5 points ago

                                          This comment is key, and should be at the top, rather than the ignorant angry comments that are getting upvoted.

                                          Because there is no possible way anyone could have a valid complaint about Apple right?

                                          You made fun of Google and Android users for years for using the "open" excuse, now this is exactly what you are doing.

                                          I hope iOS maps succeeds only for the information people will add to OSM, but don't be so obtuse, Google Maps also have features like indoor maps and mass transit routes/schedules/navigation that can't be match by anything out there.

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                                              [–]lazylioness 59 points60 points ago

                                              Yeah, it's incredibly disappointing. There's nothing labeled at my university. I really, really hope that google puts out an app.

                                              [–]ramones13 34 points35 points ago

                                              http://imgur.com/mlNt8

                                              My university is the blue dot, the pin is where new maps said it is.

                                              UC Merced if you wanna try it yourself.

                                              [–]lazylioness 9 points10 points ago

                                              Wow, that's even worse.. Somewhat unrelated, do you have the 4S? Because I have the 4 and I'm not getting a 3D option. I get it on my iPad 2 though. Am I just not entitled to it?

                                              [–]ramones13 4 points5 points ago

                                              I have a 4S, pretty sure it's not available on the 4

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                                                  [–]trai_dep 8 points9 points ago

                                                  It looks to be that campuses need to be special-cased. Google also didn't have campus buildings added, for years.

                                                  [–]lazylioness 62 points63 points ago

                                                  But they do now, which is kind of the point. I'm really disappointed in these new maps and I don't feel they should have forced an inferior product on us, that to me, honestly looks unfinished.

                                                  [–]AKA_Squanchy 21 points22 points ago

                                                  I don't know that Jobs would have done that. It does feel unfinished AND it also took away the street view option! I loved that!

                                                  [–]lazylioness 11 points12 points ago

                                                  That's exactly what I keep thinking. How many people would be fired if he miraculously came back to life and took over the company again.

                                                  [–]machello 15 points16 points ago

                                                  Apple has been working on a maps service since long before Jobs' death. It's silly to say every mistake Apple makes now is because he's dead - Jobs himself, despite his genius, made plenty of mistakes and would have made many more if he weren't tempered by the very people who are now running Apple.

                                                  [–]lazylioness 10 points11 points ago

                                                  Yes, but I highly doubt he would have put it out so soon before it was ready to act as competition to google maps. It's a subpar product that no one wanted. Maybe you're right and he would have gone along with it, but all I know for sure is that I've never been this disappointed with an apple service or product.

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                                                          [–]plazman30 138 points139 points ago

                                                          But, thank God we have that cool 3D view.

                                                          [–]wtfmanquestionmark 112 points113 points ago

                                                          That cool 3D view doesn't work on any city near me...I am a sad panda.

                                                          [–]YosemiteSam81 23 points24 points ago

                                                          Same here, but I do realize I live in Indiana so we are probably far down on the list.

                                                          [–]TheGoodkat 41 points42 points ago

                                                          I grew up in Indiana and can attest to the fact that the whole state is actually 2D.

                                                          [–]DaffyDuck 12 points13 points ago

                                                          Yep, nothing in my state is 3D.

                                                          [–]YosemiteSam81 38 points39 points ago

                                                          Nothing in 3D and the satellite imagery is black & white for my area! It looks like aerial footage from WWII era spy planes!!

                                                          [–]NorthernSkeptic 40 points41 points ago

                                                          It made my actual neighbourhood 2D and killed my dog!

                                                          [–]YosemiteSam81 17 points18 points ago

                                                          Steve Jobs would have never let that happen!

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                                                            [–]curried_avenger 11 points12 points ago

                                                            Nothing in my country is 3D. I'm in New Zealand.

                                                            [–]Moopidoo 21 points22 points ago

                                                            Bullshit, what about The Hobbit?

                                                            [–]trai_dep 9 points10 points ago

                                                            Your sheep are in 3D.

                                                            Lovely, fluffy voluptuous 3D.

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                                                              [–]swampgiant 2 points3 points ago

                                                              I live in Los Angeles and only parts of the city come up in 3d.

                                                              [–]raygundan 6 points7 points ago

                                                              Indianapolis is like the 12th largest city in the US.

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                                                                [–]jdmCrush 2 points3 points ago

                                                                I live in San Francisco and it still doesn't work ....

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                                                                  [–]kylearm 15 points16 points ago

                                                                  Yeah, that's totally going to help me more than a picture of the building I'm actually looking for, taken by a dude driving around in a car.

                                                                  (I realize you're being sarcastic, as am I)

                                                                  [–]Bunzaak 11 points12 points ago

                                                                  One day when you take up parachuting, or piloting and have to make an emergency landing, you will thank Apple.

                                                                  [–]gtr053 7 points8 points ago

                                                                  'cept you don't go parachuting in the areas that have the 3D support now.

                                                                  [–]gnovos 2 points3 points ago

                                                                  Not intentionally, at least. That only happens when you jump waaay off course. Thus you'll need a map.

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                                                                    [–]drink_your_milk 1 point2 points ago

                                                                    3D view in cities is kind of lame. Go fly through some mountains with it.

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                                                                      [–]ZippoS 105 points106 points ago

                                                                      It's a brand new service, so I'm hoping it matures over the next year or so... that and I hope Google releases an app to plug the gaps in the meantime. I already miss public transport directions.

                                                                      [–]porklomeinnoveg 14 points15 points ago

                                                                      I don't remember but was Maps as good as it is now when the iPhone was first released?

                                                                      [–]el_bandito 49 points50 points ago

                                                                      It was pretty good. But google maps had been on the web for a long time before the iPhone came out.

                                                                      [–]ceol_ 17 points18 points ago

                                                                      It looked pretty much like this when it was first released. I remember being amazed at an updated Google Maps showing unnamed side streets and building names.

                                                                      [–]juraffe 2 points3 points ago

                                                                      It's definitely gotten better. My school was recently fully mapped. Before that it looked like the Apple Maps pic.

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                                                                        [–]BONUSBOX 5 points6 points ago

                                                                        well it beat mapquest

                                                                        [–]uncertia 12 points13 points ago

                                                                        It's a brand new service.... that's being shoved down everyone's throats that upgrade to iOS 6 / buy an iPhone 5 :(

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                                                                          [–]weeblewobble60 19 points20 points ago

                                                                          Is there a way to downgrade back to ios5? I use maps for mass transit routing almost daily. This is terrible.

                                                                          [–]Ripdog 8 points9 points ago

                                                                          You may be able to, if you saved you shsh blobs. (Hell, the signing window for 5.1.1 hasn't closed yet, you may be able to downgrade.)

                                                                          If you're serious, check iClarified for a tutorial. This is an operation on par with jailbreaking for complexity.

                                                                          [–]gibnihtmus 0 points1 point ago

                                                                          or if you need to. theres a really good app called navigon. It has other features. One of which I really like is that it tells you what lane to be in for an exit. (Saves lives when im in different cities)

                                                                          [–]thecw 0 points1 point ago

                                                                          Check out TransitTimes+.

                                                                          [–]mig39 3 points4 points ago

                                                                          For now, you can get google maps in safari: maps.google.com that works fine until there are better alternatives.

                                                                          [–]killiangray 41 points42 points ago

                                                                          Damn. About to update to iOS 6, and this is kind of giving me second thoughts...

                                                                          [–]XSC 8 points9 points ago

                                                                          It's incredible, this is the first time (been using iOS since the first release) that I haven't upgraded in the day it came out. I'm still thinking if I should upgrade (Ipod touch).

                                                                          [–]glassFractals 7 points8 points ago

                                                                          Just use both for now. The turn by turn instructions, vector graphics, and 3D for the new app are great. If you need more detailed maps and places, standard Google Maps (mobile) works surprisingly well.

                                                                          [–]oxotoxo 8 points9 points ago

                                                                          Glad I still have my old iPad 1 kicking around (stuck in iOS 5.1) -- this app has severely crippled my new iPad. Guess I will use the web app for the time being.

                                                                          [–]smootie 1 point2 points ago

                                                                          I guess I am in the minority, but Apple maps is actually more detailed for my area than Google Maps was. Also, I like that I can click on restaurants and cafes and I get linked directly to their Yelp page.

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                                                                            [–]jesusthatsgreat 8 points9 points ago

                                                                            I think this is a great example of Apple in the post Jobs era. Everyone praises Cook saying what a great job he's doing yet I've seen zero innovation since the iPhone 4. Apple's share price keeps rising which is the only metric Cook is judged on.

                                                                            What people don't see is that things like this should never have gotten approval. It makes no sense to ditch Google Maps and launch your own Maps app knowing it's an inferior product for 99% of the world. This should have been refined and refined until it could knock Google Maps out of the park, not publicly launched as if it's an early beta product.

                                                                            It's decisions like that which single-handedly swing reputations, opinions and highlight cracks. It's getting much more difficult for the annoying Apple defence force to laugh of criticism. Personally, i can almost feel the shift occurring and the S4 launch early next year could potentially be the one that finally wins over iPhone users, myself included.

                                                                            [–]DrMuffinPHD 5 points6 points ago

                                                                            This should have been refined and refined until it could knock Google Maps out of the park

                                                                            But that just won't happen. Ever. Google has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on mapping, and has an army of cars covered in cameras out updating their maps every single day.

                                                                            In a very fundamental way, Google is a mapping company -it's one of their core focuses. Hell, their maps are so accurate they have self-driving cars that have traveled thousands of miles (in traffic) without any accidents. Mapping is one of the things they're best at.

                                                                            And it's not just about writing a better mapping algorithm (although Google certainly has many of the best people for that), it's about acquiring millions of terabyes of data (which Google has thanks to streetview), and applying that data, often requiring individual analysis between maps, streetview, and satellite imaging to ensure accuracy to real-world condition. And then you apply the whole process to an unbelievably large geographic area -ideally, the whole world. Basically, it's about investing massive amounts of time and money. Google has been doing this for years, and it would take years for Apple to catch up.

                                                                            Apple would need to fundamentally shift the main focus of their company, and spend hundreds of millions of dollars to ever begin to actually compete with Google, let alone surpass them.

                                                                            [–]jajamensan2012 2 points3 points ago

                                                                            I agree very much with this. This is a kind of milestone in Apple's history. I believe it is the first major blunder since Jobs passed away. It is bad for the maps, but it is worse for the reputation, and the signals it sends regarding product development and management.

                                                                            [–][deleted] 15 points16 points ago

                                                                            Since the map feature is the app I use the most I am seriously considering not buying the new iPhone. It's not worth it.

                                                                            [–]Daman09 15 points16 points ago

                                                                            Get the next Nexus device.

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                                                                              [–]laundryhater 26 points27 points ago

                                                                              Yup. I think I'm gonna stick to the Google Maps web app until they release the official one. Google Earth is another option, but it doesn't show driving/walking directions I guess.

                                                                              [–]auero 9 points10 points ago

                                                                              This will probably be never seen but here it goes.

                                                                              I'm incredibly disappointed with iOS 6 and the iPhone 5 overall. Hear me out before you down vote. I'm a loyal Apple user from back in the G4 days. I've never been the typical fanboy to argue about what is better for someone. Everyone has their own opinion and I feel every platform does things better than the other.

                                                                              That being said, iOS 6 was a disappointment to me since it was previewed at WWDC. I was hoping that with the new release of the iPhone 5 there would be some additional features that only new phone buyers would get (Like Siri last year) but there wasn't. This new maps application which I rely on is a disaster. I begin to question the state of Apple. Many might recall the .Mac revamp to Mobile Me and how Steve Jobs basically flipped his lid after it was a failure. I question is anyone at Apple still looking for perfection? Is anyone going into the office and saying plainly "You guys really messed up this launch." We've learned a lot more of how much of an asshole Steve was after his death but perhaps without him acting that way, the company wouldn't have been where it was today. Steve is gone and I will not and cannot say Apple is doomed. It will move on but I feel like this Maps application should be in beta. The 3D view is cool but useless for navigating in the car. They should have extended their license with google with the thought in mind of what their users will think.

                                                                              [–]jesusthatsgreat 6 points7 points ago

                                                                              You're right. The problem here is a blatant lack of attention to detail and perfectionism. Upper management must shoulder the blame, this should never have seen the light of day as a public product.

                                                                              Basically, in order to make anything perfect and continue to refine it, you need ideas and perspective. You then need to figure out what makes sense and what doesn't. You'll end up saying no to people and ideas more than yes. People usually take it personally when it's not.

                                                                              So you need someone who will act like an asshole and has no problem saying no to people and insisting people stick to his / her vision. Jobs was bang on the money and justified in a lot of his decisions hence the reason he's sitting on a pedestal now.

                                                                              So far, Cook has yet to make any big decisions. He inherited a company that could do no wrong and we're now starting to see signs that things have changed, for the worse.

                                                                              [–]bigsaucybob 196 points197 points ago

                                                                              This is seriously disappointing.

                                                                              Hating Apple is becoming easier and easier.

                                                                              [–]chrom_ed 40 points41 points ago

                                                                              I can already see my future talking about the good old days and buying vintage Mac equipment. I'm already refusing to upgrade past an OS newer than SL.

                                                                              [–]VGChampion 4 points5 points ago

                                                                              Yeah, sadly all the Mac's in my house are still on SL after always being quick to upgrade to the newest OS.

                                                                              [–]kylearm 18 points19 points ago

                                                                              I'm already refusing to upgrade past an OS newer than SL.

                                                                              If only I had stopped there...

                                                                              [–]andersonmatt1125 14 points15 points ago

                                                                              I feel like the only things that Mountain Lion did were to fix the screw ups in Lion. There's still lots of things that I can't understand reasons for, and get irritated at.

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                                                                                [–]hadem 6 points7 points ago

                                                                                I haven't upgrade to Mountain Lion because I was so disappointed in Lion when they removed features I loved and used on a daily basis. It kinda seems that iOS 6 is a similar story.

                                                                                [–]Edg-R 10 points11 points ago

                                                                                what feature was that?

                                                                                [–]hadem 17 points18 points ago

                                                                                My biggest complaint is Mission Control. It looks nice but its functionality is far less than Spaces and Expose.

                                                                                [–]Edg-R 24 points25 points ago

                                                                                Hmmm...

                                                                                Well I use Spaces every single day. I switch Spaces about once every 10 mins since I do a lot of multi tasking.

                                                                                I like Mission Control way better than Exposé. I hated the Dashboard so I disabled it.

                                                                                Why is Exposé better than Mission Control?

                                                                                (Im running Mountain Lion)

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                                                                                    [–]JonathanAltd 0 points1 point ago

                                                                                    Yeah, why did they remove the RSS feature, if people didn't use it it wasn't a problem for them but I use it.

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                                                                                      [–]mindbleach 8 points9 points ago

                                                                                      I was going to express some schadenfreude, but then I remembered Windows 8. Carry on.

                                                                                      [–]stenzor 8 points9 points ago

                                                                                      What's wrong with Windows 8?

                                                                                      [–]grizzlayleslay 11 points12 points ago

                                                                                      Nothing, really. It performs just as well, if not better, than Windows 7. People just hate change in user interface.

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                                                                                          [–]pistacchio 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                          and you're losing amazing improvements.

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                                                                                              [–]Moath 5 points6 points ago

                                                                                              I'm having second thoughts on upgrading to 6.0 now.

                                                                                              [–]flapcats 5 points6 points ago

                                                                                              My next iPhone might be an Andriod.... hmmm.

                                                                                              [–]mig39 11 points12 points ago

                                                                                              There's always maps.google.com which works just fine in Safari or Chrome in iOS.

                                                                                              [–]espressivo 76 points77 points ago

                                                                                              This is the end of iphone for me. I use the maps app every day for transit on my 4S. Apple's maps app is a total deal breaker and since this is the one that'll be used for every new version of ios and new iphone, this 4S will be my last iphone.

                                                                                              [–]andersonmatt1125 7 points8 points ago

                                                                                              You can still go to googlemaps.com and get those directions, but I totally agree that it's infuriating.

                                                                                              [–]starryrach 8 points9 points ago

                                                                                              What about HopStop? I prefer that over Google Maps for transit directions.

                                                                                              [–]KMartSheriff 15 points16 points ago

                                                                                              Be more dramatic

                                                                                              [–]Thud 5 points6 points ago

                                                                                              Be more dramatic

                                                                                              I hate the iOS 6 maps so much that I have thrown all my iDevices in a pile and set them on fire. I have also designed and built a trebuchet so that I can fling my Mac computers into the nearest tar pit.

                                                                                              iOS6 Maps is the single worst invention in human history. This is where we realize that, all throughout our history, we have been deluding ourself that we are an "intelligent" race. We were wrong.

                                                                                              THIS is the turning point for our species. In 400,000 years when the alien master race returns to our planet, they will find the fossilized remnants of our ancient civilization that destroyed itself. There will be no clues as to our demise because the giant 3000-foot-tall effigy of the Apple logo will have long since been destroyed by thermonuclear blasts, which will have killed all of us who saw no reason to continue living.

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                                                                                                [–]liam3 23 points24 points ago

                                                                                                why do you need map if you use the transit everyday? Or you are in a different city everyday?

                                                                                                [–]espressivo 63 points64 points ago

                                                                                                You've never used it I guess. I bus to school and leave my house/school at different times each day and use the maps app to check bus times.

                                                                                                [–]Bunzaak 41 points42 points ago

                                                                                                Something to look into: Google Now. It does a bunch of stuff, but you might really like how it uses the GPS to learn your routine and will auto suggest when you should leave based on traffic (only after its sufficiently learned your habits). Sounds creepy, yes, but it's nice to have the option. It sadly isn't for iPhone (yet...)

                                                                                                [–]craftyshrew 32 points33 points ago

                                                                                                First time reading about that..."Now" considering an Android.

                                                                                                [–]michael73072 15 points16 points ago

                                                                                                Remember, Google Now is only available in Android 4.1 Jelly Bean.

                                                                                                [–]stenzor 5 points6 points ago

                                                                                                Google Now is the shit... saves me so much time every day

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                                                                                                  [–]mynameisvlad 11 points12 points ago

                                                                                                  Does that include bus routes though? That's what the person wants.

                                                                                                  [–]sc78258 16 points17 points ago

                                                                                                  Confirming that it adjusts to my mass transit commute in NYC, while keeping me up-to-date on nearby bus/subway routes as I walk by them. Just because.

                                                                                                  [–]mynameisvlad 3 points4 points ago

                                                                                                  That's pretty cool. I hope stuff like that gets integrated into other systems, whether it's Google Now or something else. Cause I bet a lot of people would use it.

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                                                                                                      [–]liam3 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                      If you are only looking for schedule, then chances are "there's an app for that"

                                                                                                      For my city/region, there are more than one app for it, ie: MTL mobile

                                                                                                      Just search for the name of your local transit company.

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                                                                                                        [–]DGCA 15 points16 points ago

                                                                                                        Today I walked from work to a bike shop about a mile away. I needed a tube for my tire so hey! Walk to a bike shop. Smart me. Exit bike shop. Open up maps app. Search by transit. Taken to app store... Exit app store. Try again. Taken to app store... Fucking rage. No, I don't go to different cities every day, but I live in a giant city and I find myself in random parts of it from day to day.

                                                                                                        Had to use Google Maps' web app because I'm not downloading an app on Sprint's shit 3G and it was buggy as hell.

                                                                                                        TL;DR: Miss you, Google Maps for iPhone. You would've saved me a headache today.

                                                                                                        [–]buddhahat 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                        so don't upgrade?

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                                                                                                          [–]bossier330 15 points16 points ago

                                                                                                          Ditto. I'm at CMU, and the campus map is very sparse (read: no buildings labelled). It's not a huge deal to me, but it was a shocker after being used to Google. The new app looks promising, though. Hopefully they'll flesh it out soon.

                                                                                                          [–]phormality 22 points23 points ago

                                                                                                          It's a mixed bag. The campus near me also has pretty poor data for it.

                                                                                                          However, a restaurant my dad like to meet me at is on Apple's maps, but isn't on Google's maps. It would always bug the hell out of me because I could never remember what number road it was on. Every time he wanted to meet there I would need to guess the road... I got it wrong a few times. I no longer have to deal with that. It's probably an anomaly, but I'm happy about that.

                                                                                                          The bigger pro for Apple's maps is the speed. It is much faster to zoom and browse around since it is using vectors now. I also don't remember Google giving me construction info. When I bring up traffic on Apple's maps, I get traffic + construction stuff. This is insanely useful information. Way more useful than traffic on it's own.

                                                                                                          Satellite view looks like hell, the 3D maps are nowhere near me and fairly useless anyway. However, there are some good things and we can only assume it will get better. This is v1 after all. How much did v1 of Google Maps have in it?

                                                                                                          [–]gibnihtmus 7 points8 points ago

                                                                                                          its not apple like to release something behind competition. Google maps right now has a lot more handy and realistic features

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                                                                                                            [–]drdrake1023 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                            How hard would it be for Apple to add transit to this? I feel like they could do that through one of their interim updates.. Also I'm assuming the maps will continue to get better and better

                                                                                                            [–]nallvf 1 point2 points ago

                                                                                                            Well they would need transit data and I don't think they are going to bother getting it. They are letting individual apps add transit data themselves, instead.

                                                                                                            [–]davidmvdg 12 points13 points ago

                                                                                                            as you can see here apple is always much cleaner, and simple.

                                                                                                            [–]swedishdelight 13 points14 points ago

                                                                                                            I hear they are developing a new Map app that will be all white with just faint rounded outlines of 6 large highways in the US. Super clean!

                                                                                                            [–]teokcmy 3 points4 points ago

                                                                                                            It's still unclear whether there will be an iOS version of gMaps, as in this article today in which Google Maps VP Brian McClendon "declined to confirm whether an app for Google Maps would be made available in the iTunes App Store" (http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/19/3357048/google-maps-update-ios-6)

                                                                                                            [–]ShadowOnTheSun 4 points5 points ago

                                                                                                            This is very disappointing. I go to a university and loved how accurate Google maps is for iOS, and the details it gave. It pretty much showed me where my classes and everything else was on campus when I was a freshman. Along with which the bus to take, and where to get off.

                                                                                                            I personally haven't upgraded to iOS6 yet, and don't plan to until upgrading to the new iPhone. But seriously, I'm not sure how Apple expects to compete with Google, a company that rules digital mapping.

                                                                                                            [–]1CTO1 3 points4 points ago

                                                                                                            Can I keep my google maps if I don't update? (which I never do, for jailbreaking reasons)

                                                                                                            [–]mobyhead1 13 points14 points ago

                                                                                                            John Gruber speculated that removing the baked-in Google Maps app from iOS wasn't Apple's preference, but Google's, once the contract expired. I'm inclined to agree considering how woeful a replacement the new Apple Maps app is, at this time.

                                                                                                            [–]gilles_duceppticon 14 points15 points ago

                                                                                                            I highly doubt that. There have been rumours of Apple wanting to replace Google Maps since iOS 3 or something. I think it's been a long time coming.

                                                                                                            [–]Daman09 13 points14 points ago

                                                                                                            Gruber is also a well known apple dick sucker. Honestly, he accused the Verge of anti-Apple bias because they didn't mention that a computer looked like a MacBook Air DURING A FUCKING LIVE BLOG.

                                                                                                            Seriously, there is no one I hate more in the tech world than Gruber and his shitty blog. Well, maybe Michael Arrington.

                                                                                                            EDIT: for people who don't believe me, take a fucking look at this. Who the fuck reads this trash?

                                                                                                            Here is the editor in chief's response

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                                                                                                              [–]CondescendingDemocra 21 points22 points ago

                                                                                                              Yep, apple maps blow.

                                                                                                              [–]drink_your_milk 5 points6 points ago

                                                                                                              I updated my iPad to iOS 6 today. Now, on satellite view, my town is 25x40 pixels.

                                                                                                              [–]bendrucker 6 points7 points ago

                                                                                                              Google Maps didn't used to have particularly comprehensive university maps. They added them over time. There's no reason Apple couldn't license map data to include, especially considering the popularity of iOS devices on college campuses. If this is important to you, submit feedback to Apple!

                                                                                                              [–]Shoobedowop 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                              or submit your campus to openstreetmap.org!

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                                                                                                                [–]CHARGE 6 points7 points ago

                                                                                                                is it really that bad? that sucks.

                                                                                                                [–]Kalahan6 11 points12 points ago

                                                                                                                Depends heavily on the location. For me (Belgium) the maps seem very complete and on-par with Google Maps.

                                                                                                                [–]CHARGE 3 points4 points ago

                                                                                                                oh i see! so the screenshot was a really bad example? ^

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                                                                                                                  [–]Ultmast 3 points4 points ago

                                                                                                                  Only in specific circumstances. For most people, in most situations, it'll be pretty much the same. It also will improve rapidly as it gets millions of new data points.

                                                                                                                  Not as robust a product, to be sure, but it should get there. Hopefully Google releases their Google Maps app in the short term and it becomes matter of choice, instead of a matter of inconvenience for some.

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                                                                                                                    [–]pasher7 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                    Wish they had a "Map Source" setting in IOS6

                                                                                                                    [–]ZestyOne 0 points1 point ago

                                                                                                                    Can someone actually explain in a few bullets whats worse/so bad about it?

                                                                                                                    No GPS? No directions? No easy search for nearby restaurants or stores? no adding Pins to the map to mark where you park?

                                                                                                                    What is it?

                                                                                                                    [–]eh9 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                    The buildings in my university are all there and in 3D too. I also go to a small-ish school in Louisiana.

                                                                                                                    Still, I think Apple needs to get its ducks in a row and actually get better than Google Maps if they want to replace that service... Google is the top tier map info provider... I'm sure Apple knows they have tough competition.

                                                                                                                    [–]Daman09 1 point2 points ago

                                                                                                                    Apple half asses a service

                                                                                                                    Story at 11

                                                                                                                    Also Ping

                                                                                                                    [–]LevTheRed 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                    That's why I haven't updated, and won't update until Google releases a standalone map app. There is nothing in iOS 6 that I care about enough to lose google maps.

                                                                                                                    [–]RJBRJB12 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                    As an Apple fan, I'm very disappointed with this map app. Bring Google Maps back!

                                                                                                                    [–]Left_Side_Driver 19 points20 points ago

                                                                                                                    Am I the only one around here who likes the new Apple maps? I like the look of it much better.

                                                                                                                    [–]deadsalle 124 points125 points ago

                                                                                                                    It might look nice, but if we actually want to use it to get place we run into problems.

                                                                                                                    [–]Left_Side_Driver 20 points21 points ago

                                                                                                                    Yeah, good point. I live in a major city so it works well for me.

                                                                                                                    [–]gibnihtmus 6 points7 points ago

                                                                                                                    lucky you

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                                                                                                                      [–]animatedintro 3 points4 points ago

                                                                                                                      Has it actually sent you to an incorrect location? Google Maps has for me, several times. Once it sent me in the exact wrong direction off an exit to a location a mile away from my destination. I don't really trust google maps anymore.

                                                                                                                      [–]trabo 24 points25 points ago

                                                                                                                      Yes, it definitely has issues and so does every navigation system out there. Yet in terms of consistency, I think Google Maps is the most consistent of the phone navigators.

                                                                                                                      That said, people rely on GPS incredibly too much. How hard is it to learn your territory?

                                                                                                                      P.S. I understand OP was talking about bus schedule, but people really refuse to learn the environment around them.

                                                                                                                      [–]barjam 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                      Do you live in a small town? I have lived in a mid sized city of 2 million for 15 years and I still regularly end up in area I have never been .

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                                                                                                                          [–]commonplatypus 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                          Every search I put in turns up results similar to what I expect out of Google Maps, except it seems faster. (Using the iPhone 4). I put in "restaurants", "food", "Mechanic", etc and all returned expected results. Is this just a complaint about things appearing on the map prior to a search for what you want?

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                                                                                                                            [–]Kalahan6 5 points6 points ago

                                                                                                                            I love the turn-by-turn functionality. Works really well so far.

                                                                                                                            Alternative routes, easy to switch to overview to drive around obstructions, works from the lock screen. I'm kinda happy with it.

                                                                                                                            I don't use public transportation and the maps in my location (Belgium) seem to be on-par with Google maps.

                                                                                                                            [–]raygundan 7 points8 points ago

                                                                                                                            I really like the look of the App. I'm a bit honked that their dataset is so half-baked.

                                                                                                                            [–]nallvf 1 point2 points ago

                                                                                                                            I find them more accurate and faster, so no you're not the only one. They have been my favourite iOS 6 feature since I set up the beta on my phone.

                                                                                                                            [–]cloud4197 0 points1 point ago

                                                                                                                            If you have the road name the rest is all just clutter. Give me the new look any day.

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                                                                                                                              [–]unndunn 5 points6 points ago

                                                                                                                              Yeah, but it's got FLYOVER!!! You can do 3D MAPS!!!

                                                                                                                              [–]awittygamertag 8 points9 points ago

                                                                                                                              IN ALL OF 4 CITIES

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                                                                                                                                [–]BebopColaMachine 1 point2 points ago

                                                                                                                                Everyone hold on a sec, this is simply showing that now all gross disease infested towns such as BG will now be erased for our own safety. Oh, i thought there was a building there before, nope keep driving nothing to see here!

                                                                                                                                [–]awittygamertag 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                                I'm just going to come out and say it. iOS6 maps blow.

                                                                                                                                [–]Kaos117 4 points5 points ago

                                                                                                                                Yeah...I've been using the Google maps app for my transit needs as I just moved to a new city. Now I have to download some random fucking app that I'm unsure of the reliability of.

                                                                                                                                [–]vbob99 6 points7 points ago

                                                                                                                                .. or just run the web app version of Google maps?

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                                                                                                                                  [–]Its_Phobos 2 points3 points ago

                                                                                                                                  All this headache because Google wouldn't allow Apple to implement turn by turn navigation using the maps license. Seems everyone forgot about that.

                                                                                                                                  [–]jasonlotito 19 points20 points ago

                                                                                                                                  But it's Apple's product that is failing. Not Google's. Google's product works. Apples product sends you to wrong locations (locations that would put me 10 minutes away from my destination). Luckily, Google Maps is still accessible.

                                                                                                                                  Should we be upset when Apple doesn't cave into every demand a competitor makes when using it's IP? I don't see them offering the same licensing terms for it's various products.

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