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When I heard the British police don't have guns (i.imgur.com)

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[–]chiefmarnaus 22 points23 points ago

They don't need guns. That's the thing. In the UK, we have an incredibly low gun crime rate.

[–]ForTheWilliams 6 points7 points ago

As a counterpoint, at least as of 2009 the UK had a higher rate of violent crime than the US, Canada, or the rest of Europe. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html)

Gun crime is not necessarily indicative of overall crime rates or the injuriousness or lethality of those crimes. I can't recall a source atm, but I've seen several studies (US-based though, IIRC, but based on government surveys and statistics so, in theory, they are neutral studies) that showed that crimes committed with knives are actually more likely to result in injury or death than firearms, largely because those crimes are actually more likely to escalate into violence.

[–]Semi_Chivalrous 4 points5 points ago

In spite of that, I'd still say that we're safer as a population with our policeman not being armed with guns. Guns do a lot of collateral damage, and also make it a hell of a lot easier to kill someone. If you have to stab a man to death, you've got to have a real mean streak in you, as it takes a hell of a lot more violence to kill that way.

[–]Cyb3rSab3r 0 points1 point ago

I'd say you would have to be closer to them but other than that stabbing is easier than aiming, and way more likely to hit something vital.

[–]BeatlesForSale 3 points4 points ago

Even so, you don't need to get the police to shoot them. A taser/baton to the head will do the job nicely.

[–]Semi_Chivalrous 1 point2 points ago

It's still a lot more brutal. I mean, if I had to, I could probably shoot a guy, but I don't think I could stab someone the requisite number of times to definitely kill them.

And it's a bit easier to defend yourself from a knife attack than a gun one, even if it is just as terrifying.

[–]LOLSTRALIA 1 point2 points ago

stabbing is easier than aiming

Wut.

Stabbing a person involves getting up close, it involves putting yourself into a position where they can resist. Shooting a person requires you to bend your finger.

[–]SgtToadette -2 points-1 points ago

You have clearly never shot a gun.

[–]LOLSTRALIA 2 points3 points ago

I can tell you now I've fired more weapons than you've had hot meals. I grew up in regional Australia on a cattle farm. Everything from pellet guns to semi-automatics. Then Army Reserve training, from F-88's to F-89s and M2'.

To fire a weapon you bend your finger, aiming is irrelevant (In the context of comparing to a knife) as you have to aim a blade as well so saying one's easier than the other when they both need aiming is stupid, especially considering anything over a .22 will result in death 99% of the times if it enters the head.

Stabbing someone in the head won't result in death 99 times out of 100. Knives cut flesh, bullets smash it to bits. Ask any ER Doctor what's harder to treat and they'll tell you a bullet wound.

I've been shot at and I've also had someone try and stab me and I can tell you now, at least when someone's trying to stab you, you have a chance to fight back, being shot at tends to have your life ended quite quickly.

[–]LOLSTRALIA 2 points3 points ago

Punched in the face or shot in the face, you decide.

[–]BoonTobias[S] 6 points7 points ago

Yeah, you mostly have sword attacks

[–]sidesalad 18 points19 points ago

Warhammers are starting to catch on too.

[–]cynicalgibbs 4 points5 points ago

Battleaxes seems to be on the decline though

[–]Semi_Chivalrous 3 points4 points ago

Just reminded me... there was a man killed in my city with a Klingon bat'leth. Srsly.

[–]sidesalad 3 points4 points ago

Those things are a god damn menace.

[–]RIP_Opus 5 points6 points ago

Stop or I'll yell stop again!

[–]Dom9360 -2 points-1 points ago

Came here to see this. Was not disappointed.

[–]BeatlesForSale 41 points42 points ago

Why is that something to laugh about? We have a long tradition of not arming our bobbies with guns. There's not a need to do it. Gun crime is low in Britain and it's getting lower.

[–]unicycle_inc 25 points26 points ago

Plus we don't get any of those awful kerfuffles like the one outside the empire state building where 9 civilians were shot by police trying to catch a gunman.

[–]SgtToadette 1 point2 points ago

Doesn't help when you have firearm ignoramuses like Mayor Bloomberg requiring all police firearms to be modified with 12lb. triggers instead of comprehensive training.

[–]dylanstalker 12 points13 points ago

Ya but knife crimes are increasing sharply.

[–]pingspike 5 points6 points ago

I think I get your point.

[–]dylanstalker 3 points4 points ago

I could be wrong. I was just taking a stab in the dark.

[–]jlv816 2 points3 points ago

Nah, I really think that comment was a cut above the rest.

[–]ForTheWilliams -5 points-4 points ago

Which is bad, because, short of shooting sprees, violent crimes (and self-defense cases, IIRC) such as muggings committed with knives tend to actually have higher rates of lethality and injuriousness than similar crimes aided by firearms, due to the fact that those situations are actually more likely to escalate into actual violence.

[–]jlv816 6 points7 points ago

http://i.imgur.com/3MRNJ.jpg

[–]lem72 3 points4 points ago

Where is your sources on this?

[–]dylanstalker 0 points1 point ago

I think I saw this in the March issue of BroScience.

[–]friendlypenguin 7 points8 points ago

Gun crime is low in Britain and it's getting lower.

A fact that is almost impossible to get Americans to believe. Gun culture is so ingrained in America that any discussion about guns immediately turns into a screaming match.

[–]Hobbycoder 6 points7 points ago

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SAY ABOUT GUNS?

[–]jlv816 5 points6 points ago

http://i.imgur.com/LBrKk.gif

[–]SgtToadette 1 point2 points ago

Woah. Woah. That's an oversimplification of the debate. Violence shouldn't be measured by the number committed with X device, they should be measured as an overall stat. Besides, the screaming match usually results from the same people who believe that "assault weapon," "clip," and "fully-automatic" are actually acceptable nomenclature. Believe me, the gun community is more than happy to have a discussion, but they won't waste the time with someone who's knowledge on the subject comes entirely from Hollywood and anecdotal evidence. The discussion was had and the pro-gun guys won. Blame the NRA if you want, but public opinion on guns is steadily growing away from the "ban all the guns!" ideology.

[–]friendlypenguin -2 points-1 points ago

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. All I did was bring up the gun debate. I didn't even state a position on it and you came out of nowhere screaming about how the debate is over and one side is wrong wrong wrong.

[–]SgtToadette -1 points0 points ago

I believe you missed the part where I suggested the gun community is more than willing to have the debate. I nowhere used an exclamation point or stated that the opposition was wrong.

[–]Dom9360 0 points1 point ago

You keep your sticks.

[–]squireofrnew 3 points4 points ago

Here in 'Merica, we like our criminals dead and our population in danger.

[–]Cameron94 6 points7 points ago

Once the authority welds guns, it just brings more of an incentive for criminals to use them as well. You can't stop gun crime by using guns. Many of the problems here in the UK are very socially-rooted.

[–]twistacles 0 points1 point ago

The gif made me laugh

[–]Sir_Berus 4 points5 points ago

We basically live in a utopia of peace and harmony that doesn't require firearms dished out to every citizen. I'm sure the same thing would happen in Canada if they had less bear attacks.

[–]libby_ 4 points5 points ago

It's like the Shire.

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