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[–]thatfool 51 points52 points ago

There's another interesting implication of a 6000 years old earth.

The way radioactive dating works is that we know the decay rate of specific radioactive substances. For example, uranium decays to lead with a known half life of either about 4.5 billion years (u238 to pb206) or about 700 million years (u235 to pb207). We know this because we can observe the half life of uranium in a laboratory, and we can observe the stages of decay until it eventually becomes lead and, with that, stable. We know exactly how uranium decays.

With his knowledge we can then look at substances like e.g. zircon that we find in ancient rocks. Zircon is a fairly common mineral that can include uranium in its crystal structure. It cannot include lead. Therefore, when we find zircon with embedded lead, that lead must be the result of uranium decay. We can determine the ratio of uranium to lead in our sample, and from this we can know how much uranium was there initially when the crystal was formed, and how much of it decayed since then. Since we know the half life of uranium, we know how long this would have taken, given the observable modern day decay rate of uranium. This is just one example of radioactive dating, but they generally work like this.

So what is the key weakness of radioactive dating? Right, we just assume decay rates haven't changed. There are good reasons for assuming this. We can, for example, observe how decay rates change with changing environmental conditions. There are some experiments that suggest only very small changes in those specific cases that are interesting for dating. We can look at light that reaches us from distant stars to find out if decay rates were different in a younger universe. For example, some supernovae exhibit a decay in luminosity that can be directly linked to the radioactive decay of nickel. The farther away such a supernova is, the farther back in time we can know the decay rate of nickel. So we can actually be fairly certain that we're right about radioactive dating. There are ways to prove it wrong, but so far, we've failed to do that because all the evidence seems to indicate it's a good model and that it works.

But that's not what I'm getting to. Let's, for a second, give the Young Earth guys the benefit of the doubt and assume that we're wrong about the age of the earth, that radioactive dating is broken, and we all made a huge mistake. Because all these observations that the 4.5 billion year figure comes from are observations that were made in modern time and can be repeated at any time, radioactive decay must still have happened. Except if the earth is only 6000 years old, it happened at least about seven hundred thousand times faster, but actually faster in the past, since we know it's not that fast now.

In other words, a 6000 years old earth was really radioactive back when the guys mentioned in the Bible lived. They were all freaks. If there was a Fallout game based on the Bible, you'd shoot them.

(Of course, Young Earth Creationists will just say that God put stuff there to confuse us, but I think it's still funny.)

[–]TheSuitGuy 13 points14 points ago

You dare question the word of Atom? HEATHEN!

[–]thatfool 3 points4 points ago

Good point. It's basically the same cult :P

[–]richertai 2 points3 points ago

Oddly satisfying when that bomb blew. That town was seriously fucked.

[–]SickandHella 1 point2 points ago

Brother of ATOM

[–]stealthzeus 5 points6 points ago

So then how do the young earthers explain the nearest galaxy being 11.7million light years away from us. Can those light from that galaxy from 11.7 million light years away come to earth in only 6000 years or 10000 years? Are lights travelling faster than the speed of light?

Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies

[–]thatfool 3 points4 points ago

They don't explain - everything that doesn't fit in was put there by God to tease us. Same thing as those dinosaur skeletons he made about 6000 years ago, you get the idea.

[–]EvOllj 2 points3 points ago

creationists do not look up the night sky. creationists believe god painted the sky and made it all just for them.

[–]stealthzeus 2 points3 points ago

It seems very hypocritical to not believe in the speed of light (or science) but have no problem using microwave oven to heat up leftover dinner.

[–]EvOllj 0 points1 point ago

tell that the muslims who somehow found that video on the internet.

[–]RichardPeterJohnson 3 points4 points ago

No, silly, God gave those guys immunity from radioactivity. Also, all the heat generated.

[–]Graviteh 3 points4 points ago

one of my bosses is a creationist. She told me that the scale of time was different back in the day.

-_-

[–]Toxzy 2 points3 points ago

This must be why early biblical figures lived almost a thousand years. I'm going to set up Creationist resort in Chernobyl while the land values are still low.

[–]Moinseur_Garnier 0 points1 point ago

Why can't Zircom contain lead? This isn't a sarcastic question, although it may read as one! Oh, and upvote for science and Fallout.

[–]thatfool 2 points3 points ago

It can eventually contain lead. Zircon is crystalline zirconium silicate. The chemical structures of zirconium and uranium allow that some uranium can be included in the crystal structure in place of zirconium at the time the crystal is formed. Lead, on the other hand, is incompatible. The only way for lead to get in there is radioactive decay of some of the uranium. So if you find lead in undisturbed zircon, you know it's a product of radioactive decay, and since you know the total amount of remaining uranium and lead and the half life of uranium, you can determine the time that passed since the crystal formed. (And since both u235 and u238 can be included, and since they decay to different isotopes of lead, you actually have two of these "clocks" in a sample.)

[–]d0ornokey 0 points1 point ago

Saving

[–]cultured_banana_slug 0 points1 point ago

That explains all the superpowers, flaming swords, and flying around.

[–]barrym187 -1 points0 points ago

Interesting, do you have any idea where they come up with their figures though? It just seems like they're arbitrarily assigning dates to rocks. Surely they must base these dates on some whacky, made-up scientific method.

[–]VoiceOfRealson 0 points1 point ago

I think they use the time-honored method of looking at the rock and finding a resemblance to a biblical figure (sort of like seeing Jesus on a piece of burnt toast). The rock then obviously is from the same age as that historical person. (And we all know what Jesus, Moses, Adam and Eve looks like, cause we have seen the paintings made by famous european artists).

[–]chronotopia -3 points-2 points ago

Not to be a creationist or anything, but there is increasing evidence that radioactive decay is not a constant of physics. Or rather, the rates of decay aren't constants.

[–]I_Gargled_Jarate 5 points6 points ago

Correct, and he mentioned that in his post. He also mentioned that in order for the current state of radioactive decay to match up with the timeline presented by creationists, the uranium would have to have been so radioactive that we'd all be fried to a crisp.

[–]chronotopia -1 points0 points ago

Oh, I must not've been paying enough attention.

[–]Ceronn 32 points33 points ago

The first evidence of multi-celled animals dates to 1188 CE? What the fuck was Jesus then?

[–]DrRodneyMckay[S] 37 points38 points ago

It's just best not to question these things.

[–]Wizywig 11 points12 points ago

Dude, The "missing" years for jesus was pulling himself out of a t-rex's stomach.

After the roman empire collapsed, people resorted to flinging brontosauruses at castles. Thus extinction.

[–]pseudonym1066 18 points19 points ago

I just love the idea of all those T Rexs wandering around during the First world war. I'm not sure why noone spotted them or why WWI historians never mention them, but they were definitely there.

[–]Antaresia 3 points4 points ago

Anyone with the mental capacity to read the bible as literal truth can probably do the same thing for Star Spangled War Stories.

You just need to get your history from the right sources, is all.

[–]Kinhart 2 points3 points ago

AH, Ceronn, let me explain your issue so you can better understand this.

1) You expect this to make sense. At that point you where simply doomed never to understand this.

[–]Deimos56 1 point2 points ago

People were smaller back then. Duh.

[–]Hiphoppington 1 point2 points ago

Except that many extremely religious people posit that humans used to be exceptionally taller and live far longer.

[–]-Hastis- 0 points1 point ago

And who wrote the bible...

[–]kingturtle 0 points1 point ago

we know more about pterodactyls than we do about Jesus.

[–]thenaterator 12 points13 points ago

Funny, but since people are actually asking, this grossly misrepresents the beliefs of young Earth creationists.

That said, their views are still rather silly.

[–]Dudesan 0 points1 point ago

this grossly misrepresents the beliefs of young Earth creationists.

That'sTheJoke.jpg

[–]thenaterator 10 points11 points ago

since people are actually asking

[–]Obejk_Ruimer 8 points9 points ago

Man I shoulda stopped pooping in my infant diaper and ridden some megafauna.

Best post all day.

[–]GoldBeerCap 0 points1 point ago

Are you saying you were born in 1926?

[–]Dudesan 0 points1 point ago

There were megafauna in the cenozoic. There are megafauna now.

[–]loafers_glory 8 points9 points ago

This does nothing to explain how mammoths built the pyramids in the movie 10,000 BC... :(

[–]karimpt 7 points8 points ago

what don't you get about earth being around 6k yrs old!!!! how many times do I have to cite the Holy book???

[–]Gneissisnice 8 points9 points ago

Guys, this is definitely a joke. It's pretty funny, but creationists don't believe this.

Of course, what they do believe is only slightly less ridiculous.

[–]pijjin 18 points19 points ago

While this is pretty funny, it's really no better than creationists saying stuff like 'evolution is the belief that if you lay out the parts of an aeroplane on a runway they will assemble themselves into a working plane', it's a serious misrepresentation of what creationism is. All that's happened here is someone has scaled all of geological and evolutionary history into a 6000 year time period and drawn stupid conclusions like 'dinosaurs died in the 20s'. Nobody actually believes this stuff, creationists have a completely different view of Earth's geological history and the origins of life, it's not the case that they just disagree on how long it took from start to present day.

I'm not saying what people do believe is any more sensible, but if we get upset when our beliefs are misrepresented, then perhaps we should lead by example rather than join in. We don't need to make stupid shit up, the stuff these people actually believe is crazy enough.

[–]ironykarl 6 points7 points ago

It's a reductio ad absurdum of creationist theory in light of rather clear evidence (sedimentary layers + fossils). It mayn't be precisely what Young Earth Creationists believe, but it's actually rather different from making a strawman out of what "evolutionists" believe.

[–]I_Gargled_Jarate 2 points3 points ago

In simpler and smaller words, the chart shows what the timeline of the dinosaurs would need to be if the young earth creationists ideas on the age of the planet were true.

Its poking fun at people who believe that the world is 6000 years old, and shows other ridiculous things that would need to be true in order for their views to be correct.

This isnt what young earth creationsts actually believe, its what would also have to be true if they were right.

[–]pijjin 2 points3 points ago

This isnt what young earth creationsts actually believe, its what would also have to be true if they were right.

No it isn't! If they were right then god created the Earth in 6 days and rested on the seventh. We wouldn't have to suddenly squeeze billions of years of geology and evolution into 6000 years and keep all the proportions the same. Where does that come from? Creationists don't believe all that happened in 6000 years, because they don't believe it happened at all!

This is in no way taking the creationists argument to its logical conclusions, it's a mash-up of two incompatible beliefs. A creationist could just as easily say that the image represents what we believe! "We know the Earth is 6000 years old, and these guys reckon all this happened in that time?!? How absurd!" In fact, that's precisely the kind of shit they do come out with! It's a mix of beliefs from both sides that results in a viewpoint that nobody thinks is right.

Creationist believe enough batshit crazy nonsense that we should just focus on exposing that, rather than making up a bunch of crazy shit, and having a big old circle jerk saying 'haha, look how crazy this shit is'!

[–]ironykarl 0 points1 point ago

Creating "macro" life ex nihilo doesn't negate fossil/sedimentary evidence. You could ignore evolutionary history with that assumption, but not geologic.

[–]I_Gargled_Jarate 0 points1 point ago

But we ARE focusing on exposing their nonsense. Satire is one of the most powerful ways to single out a group for their crazy opinions

[–]pijjin 1 point2 points ago

I disagree, I think the above is absolutely a strawman. The only belief held by creationists that it actually appeals to is that the Earth was created 6000 years ago. It then crams in all the events we believe happened based on the fossil record and geological observations etc. into this short time frame for comically absurd results. The problem is that creationists reject this version of events, they believe that everything was created at once, not that the same sequence of events happened but much faster. We can't draw their supposed conclusions from evidence that they do not accept as valid.

[–]ironykarl 1 point2 points ago

Aye, they don't believe in geological epochs—they merely believe (implicitly) (1) that God created an astounding variety of life, (2) that in the 6000 years hence, most of it has gone extinct, (3) and that it—for some reason—died in distinguishable waves: layered in the same basic order, all over the world.

It's a reductio ad absurdum—not a literal repetition of the words a creationist would use to describe his or her belief.

[–]chuckknucka 0 points1 point ago

It's not a strawman. It's just straight up mockery. No one is saying "because creationists believe this, it's false." No. Creationism has been proven time and time again to be a complete pile of BS. This image just underscores how ridiculous it all is in the context of what we know through archaeology, biology and geology.

[–]pijjin 2 points3 points ago

The title is 'the fossil record according to creationists', that is basically saying 'creationists believe this'.

I agree with you on the point that creationism is bullshit, that does not give us a licence to invent additional bullshit and claim it's what they believe.

This image does not in any way 'underscore how ridiculous creationism is' because it does not in any way represent the beliefs of creationists. The findings of archaeology, biology and geology flat out contradict creationism, but creationists reject all of these findings for their own explanations; they don't accept them as the truth and assume that they all happened in a much shorter time frame. That is what this image claims and that is why I object to it.

[–]richertai 0 points1 point ago

Mayn't. Great contraction.

I also agree.

[–]scarr3g 3 points4 points ago

Thank you. I am glad to see that there are people that realize this chart is stupidity.

Taking what has been found, and just changing the time scale is most idiotic thing you can do with this stuff.

there is what happened, and there is creationism (thinking that poof, it was created). Saying creationism must be wrong, because you don't understand creationism, and therefore made up your own creationism "facts" is the exact same thing as creationists saying evolution is wrong because their made up facts about evolution don't make sense.

[–]Olliekitty 3 points4 points ago

"The last dinosaurs died in March 1927, less than a month after Werner Heisenberg formulated his famous uncertainty principle. It is not certain as to whether these events are connected."

This makes me think it is a joke. It certainly made me laugh.

[–]newtonsapple 1 point2 points ago

I thought it was pretty obvious it was a joke.

[–]cloud93x 0 points1 point ago

Best part.

[–]Kasuli 4 points5 points ago

It's true, I actually have a picture of my great-granddad killing it.

[–]karimpt 0 points1 point ago

was he riding a docile t-Rex too?

[–]nomadz 4 points5 points ago

"King Henry VII of England was the last English Monarch of the Devonian period" made me chuckle.

[–]precisi0n86 2 points3 points ago

But god created all animals at once. So the original single celled organisms lived with the dinosaurs and trilobites which floated in the primordial dust cloud of Earth. They floated around for a few hundred million years until gravity pulled them to the earth's surface.

[–]DudeJesse 2 points3 points ago

TIL: Abe Lincoln was killed by a dinosaur.

[–]abeigor 2 points3 points ago

I remember the 23rd of October, 4004BC as if it had been yesterday...

[–]evoluted 2 points3 points ago

Jesus riding a Velociraptor. "This must be a fake".

I want to get that blown up, framed, and hung on the wall of my office.

[–]sidben 3 points4 points ago

I don't think it's fake. There was no photoshop at that time.

[–]chef_emerald 0 points1 point ago

I actually lol'd at this. It was unexpected and rolled out of my mouth.

[–]skizmo 1 point2 points ago

[–]Youscurvydawg 2 points3 points ago

Was this a joke or did someone actually believe this?

[–]Joskeuhtje1 1 point2 points ago

Do they really believe it themselves, or what?

[–]ellepelle27 1 point2 points ago

Clearly not only the largest creatures ever to roam the earth, but masters of camouflage, too.

[–]krezzzzzzz 0 points1 point ago

Is this real? I have a hard time believing even creationists could be so stupid.

[–]jimicus 3 points4 points ago

Of course it's not real. It's an explanation of what reality would be like, if you were to compress everything in the fossil record so it took place over the course of 6,000 years rather than several billion years.

Any creationist with half a brain will take the approach that everyone's misinterpreting the fossil record.

[–]mallamange 0 points1 point ago

Ok, can someone please explain to me as to how they know the specific dates ? whats the basis of the Creationist 'scientists' assertion that, for example the Jurassic period is from the 10th of Aug 1750 - 22 July 1822 ?

This is a genuine question, I dont get it.

Edit: added please :)

[–]ar9mm 1 point2 points ago

they are using the relative known time spans to demonstrate how ridiculously compressed everything would've been for the earth to actually be 6000 years old.

[–]mallamange 0 points1 point ago

but exact dates ? accurate to the day ?

[–]bangonthedrums 0 points1 point ago

When you have 4 billion years worth of data being compressed into something 6 orders of magnitude smaller, the precision increases dramatically.

If something actually happened 11 1/2 - 12 1/2 months ago, but you weren't sure exactly, and you compressed your time scale down to 1 day = 1 month, then you could say with certainty what day it happened on.

Put another way, the first 10% of the earth's history (400 000 000 years) was period X, and the next 10% was period Y. When you shrink that down to 6000 years, you can say that period X is now 60 years

[–]zbowman 0 points1 point ago

So essentially Columbus came to America and then a few hundred years later pterodactyls started flying around as we were drafting the declaration of independence while t-rex roamed the country side.

[–]masuan189 0 points1 point ago

There seems be a mammoth in 2008. I could have sworn they were died out by then.

[–]VoiceOfRealson 0 points1 point ago

No. They are still around - hibernating in ice caves

[–]ByahhByahh 0 points1 point ago

Yes, I believe my great uncle had some fun times playing with the dinosaurs.

[–]BarkingToad 0 points1 point ago

Technically, all birds are dinosaurs, so the last dinosaur isn't dead (yet).

[–]carbonbasedlover -1 points0 points ago

This is infuriating! I hate when Christians pick and choose which parts of science to believe in and then lie about the rest to make their story fit. Where are they getting their "facts"? I think I feel the worst for the poor offspring of these ignorant liars who will proceed to argue evolution into college!

[–]Batrok 1 point2 points ago

So my father was alive at the same time as dinosaurs. I'll let him know.

[–]totestoro -1 points0 points ago

This just can't be real. There's no way. How are you going to suggest there were actual dinosaurs in the 1800s when there are NO accounts of such a thing? It's not like people weren't keeping records 200 years ago.

If this IS real... let them keep talking. Let's see what kind of hole they can dig themselves into.

[–]UncleNorman 0 points1 point ago

So they would still be around if they didn't taste like chicken. I understand now.

[–]kept_calm_carried_on 1 point2 points ago

"right click, save image as..."

[–]Faithgrinder 1 point2 points ago

Cambrian explosion in... 1303?

So William the Conqueror had already carved modern England out of arguing Saxon clans and had been dead for a couple centuries before we had... trilobites?

Was William the Conqueror a single celled organism!? :O

[–]Anterai 0 points1 point ago

Any proof?

[–]BarneyBent 0 points1 point ago

I'm fairly sure this is a pisstake. Can't be certain though.

[–]thechapattack 0 points1 point ago

i know this is satire, the scary thing is that YEC believe dinosaurs are actually still alive today

[–]_BitSoup 0 points1 point ago

It's charts like this that honestly make me hope to god somebody just made it up, and people don't believe it.

I'm atheist, but I really hope that nobody can really believe this stuff.

[–]CrustyRim 0 points1 point ago

Not sure if this is a joke though i have seen a creationist kids book with cowboys riding dinosaurs and fire breathing raptors.

[–]coasterboard65 0 points1 point ago

Bible - raised Atheist here:

The way I was always taught in church was that god created the Universe but he didn't create it at "zero level". He created it already "in progress". So in theory, there would already have been fossils and uranium decay and old stars and etc.

Still ridiculous, but if you want to believe in a creation, this is the closest you can get to not looking like a fool at the same time

[–]chef_emerald 0 points1 point ago

Our church always said, "But a 'day' here isn't a 24-hour day. It means 'a period of time'. That could be eons but it still seems like only a day to god because god is eternal and time is nothing to him."

[–]TheCheeryPessimist 0 points1 point ago

lolwut

[–]BulbousAlsoTapered 0 points1 point ago

Considering the other bullshit that they believe as an essential part of their religion, this is unsurprising.

[–]samebray 0 points1 point ago

I guess Robert E Lee riding on a Velociraptor is more accurate than Jesus riding on one.

[–]DerangedPickle 0 points1 point ago

You guys are stupid. Haven't any of you heard about Lenin riding a T-Rex into St.Petersburg to take on Nicholas II and his Triceratops mounted Cossacks?

[–]Kitfox715 0 points1 point ago

This picture is obviously wrong. We are in the Anthropocene now, not the Holocene.

[–]ololcopter 1 point2 points ago

And here I could have sworn that John McCain was still alive.

[–]starman103 0 points1 point ago

zing!

[–]ololcopter 0 points1 point ago

And here I could have sworn that John McCain was still alive.

[–]Biggs180 0 points1 point ago

This is all true, my Great Grandfather was a T-rex hunter in the Midwest, and he personally killed the last T-rex in 1922!

Now if you'll excuse me i've got to go chase away some Mammoths from my front yard.

[–]Kinhart 1 point2 points ago

Wow, as a biologist I never knew a simple poster could outrage me so much. Thise puts a ton into perspective about politcal and religious feuds...

[–]Jockaman -1 points0 points ago

What the fuck, they think mammoths went extinct in 2008? How can people still believe this shit?

[–]09112001 0 points1 point ago

Dude, it's satire. A secular person retrofitted the creationist timeline (that the universe was created in 4004 BC) onto the actual known scientifically-based history of the earth.

[–]ptowner7711 0 points1 point ago

My great granpa once shot a triceratops for humping his Model T... true story! Said it was good eatin'.

[–]Discord_agent 0 points1 point ago

I like the bit about the Jesus riding the raptor pic being fake.

[–]I_PISS_HAIR 0 points1 point ago

My grandma reminiscences about riding and hunting dinosaurs back in her day and tell us about all her dino adventures. Now I know its not the Alzheimers talking!

[–]gman92 0 points1 point ago

The second I read it I called satirical bullshit. Seems most think this is legitimate. I will say it again; This is satire, basing the fossil record for Creationists over a period of 6000 years on the fossil record for nonmorons over the period from life arising until today.

[–]darth2 0 points1 point ago

This is too stupid even for creationists. It says Obama was born in the Eocene before man existed according to the chart, and he has a birth certificate to prove it.

[–]A_Drunked_Monkey 0 points1 point ago

Soo... Single celled organisms evolved into Jesus in 81 years, and we don't have wings yet? Just sayin'

[–]vgacolor 0 points1 point ago

This is funny, but an obvious troll.

[–]abbiistabbii 0 points1 point ago

So according to creationists my Grandmother was born before the Dinosaurs died out?

[–]Anticipator1234 0 points1 point ago

Didn't you hear? That's how the Union won the Civil War. They rode T-Rexes into battle against the rebels.

[–]Ali2475 0 points1 point ago

So the dinosaurs went extinct on the brink of World War I..good, that might have complicated things.

But think about it; I'm sure the Revolutionary and Civil wars were fought entirely on raptor-back.

[–]Ghost255932 0 points1 point ago

Sorry I'm an idiot here but.... You mean to tell me that there was a motherfucking T-Rex minding his own fucking business untill 1927 where they all died?

[–]SuperDestructo 1 point2 points ago

This is definitely a spoof on creationism.

[–]Polite_Atheist -2 points-1 points ago

This image is so re-posted that I had to scrape off 3 layers of circlejerk residue just to read it again.