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This was retweeted by Richard Dawkins this afternoon -- thought you guys would enjoy. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 14 hours ago by LotusBunny
[–]splunktavius 9 points10 points11 points 11 hours ago
Not entirely sure where Dawkins got this, but it reads EXACTLY like a Mormon mission letter. I was in the church for 10 years and even served a mission to St. Petersburg Russia. My "call" came in letter form and had the same format, cadence, font, etc. Solid lift. The atheist in me definitely approves.
[–]scratchwin 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago
Anychance you can post a copy of a mormon mission letter?
[–]LotusBunny[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
That's awesome. I really want to see a letter like that actually.
[–]safi_Ibn_sayyad 14 points15 points16 points 13 hours ago*
That made me wonder, reincarnation is kind of true : when you die and are dissolved into basic elements, you fertilize the ground on which plants grow (life form #1) then an animal eats them and assimilates them in its body (life form #3), the animal will be eaten by other animals and so on and so forth, until the greatest predator on its turn dies and feeds plants and other animals with his dissolving body.
EDIT: grammar
[–]Dastrados 7 points8 points9 points 12 hours ago
thats the thrill of not knowing what happens after death, rather than pretending to know.
[–]safi_Ibn_sayyad 5 points6 points7 points 12 hours ago
I was just pointing out the irony. When you die you stop giving a shit anyway :)
[–]Vimsefreet 20 points21 points22 points 8 hours ago
Not true. When you die, your muscles relax, also your sphinkter. So you actually give one last shit after death.
[–]Abe_Odd 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
Now consider this, one of your ancestor's particles has eventually ended up in an animal used as food stock. It is very probable that you have eaten a plant or animal that contained that particle.
It is possible that every meal you eat has at least one particle that was at one point in time apart of a human being. You cannibal.
[–]HyperGiant 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
Yeah but particles do have half lifes so they really are deteriorated bit by bit. With your logic you can just skip ancestry and say that we've all eaten some of Jesus' protons and neutrons.
[–]fallens 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Well material wise, yes of course, we live on a finite planet. But reincarnation states that the soul passes down to different organisms. And souls don't exist. Also, we experience inclines and declines of the existence of life, so I don't know where all of those extra souls come from, and if there are an infinite amount of them then what is the purpose of reincarnation in the first place?
[–]Scrayton -8 points-7 points-6 points 6 hours ago
You can't say souls don't exist.
[–]deadfraggle 7 points8 points9 points 6 hours ago
I think he just did. Leprechauns, unicorns and fairies also don't exist. We don't live in a universe where everything exists until it is proven that it doesn't.
[–]Scrayton -8 points-7 points-6 points 6 hours ago*
Stolen shoes and how cool ranch doritos are made and how people have happy coincidences can be explained. And consciousness? Souls are directly correlated to consciousness, and I've yet to see that be explained. If anyone CAN explain consciousness, feel free to respond. Of course, I won't get a response.
[–]deadfraggle 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago
Souls are directly correlated to consciousness
citation needed
explain consciousness
So you can think. Big deal, many other animals can too. Explain why your self awareness is so special that it requires a soul.
[–]Scrayton -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 hours ago
What else would you describe as a soul?
what. Nobody said animals didn't have souls.
[–]Psilodelic 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago
We are saying there is no need for a soul to explain the workings of a mind and consciousness.
[–]Scrayton -7 points-6 points-5 points 5 hours ago
Obviously there is a need, considering we haven't explained the workings of a mind and consciousness.
If I can't explain to you how a combustion engine works, does that mean there's a need to accept the existence of magic goblins that make it work?
The explanations of the mind and consciousness are far from complete, but they are far along enough to NOT require a soul.
[–]fallens 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
Yes I can, for the amount of data we have gathered about the world shows that in this world it is impossible for souls to exist.
[–]Scrayton -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 hours ago
And what data would that be?
[–]Psilodelic 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
It is a lack of data indicating there is no soul. Like many other dated ideas and concepts, the soul is no longer required in current scientific discussions.
[–]Scrayton -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 hours ago
Soul is just a word, and by definition, it means "The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity." We cannot prove it, because it's just a classification. Just as we cannot prove that New York or America exists, because it's an abstract concept.
[–]Psilodelic 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
New York is a physical location, it has boundaries, same goes for America. These are real things, just as you and I are.
The soul is an abstract concept that, thus far, has no indication of existing anywhere.
It doesn't have boundaries. It has an imaginary line in the middle of a field, or in the case of America, along the beach. It is an abstract concept.
Also,
the soul is an abstract concept has no indication of existing anywhere
the soul is an abstract concept
has no indication of existing anywhere
No shit there's no physical proof, it's an abstract concept.
The lines may be imaginary, but they define real boarders, real concepts, things you can actually cross.
There's no material thing that can be called the soul, and thus it isn't required to explain how the mind works. You can't assert something exists when there's no physical proof of it.
[–]fallens 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
abstract concepts don't exist in reality. Why are you contradicting yourself.
[–]michelangeloevil 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago
FAKE actually, this document was signed by a random GALAXY
[–]infectant 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago
I never applied for nor agreed to this whole "existence" thing, yet it turns out it's mandatory. Who the fuck does this "The Universe" think they are?
[–]JaneRenee 3 points4 points5 points 9 hours ago
Why wouldn't you just say who originally tweeted it? Is it important that Dawkins tweeted it?
[–]gr33nm4n 4 points5 points6 points 9 hours ago
I agree with a fellow below. I can see Richard Dawkins responding to this: "A bit presumptuous that the Universe would assign us as Solar System 1, isn't it?"
[–]Corrinth 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Very good point.
[–]MrWx 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
I get a kick out of the RPG format, especially at the idea of "improving the conditions for other newcomers. Played too many games to know what actually happens.
[–]tddanceWR77 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
Sits in maternity ward with gun Spawn camping!
[–]spolio 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
this should be on the back of birth and marriage certificates.
[–]SietchTabr 2 points3 points4 points 9 hours ago
So basically this letter says my consciousness exists before and after my body and that the universe looks forward to seeing my consciousness in another form after my body dies?
[–]Corrinth 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
That's how I interpreted it, and that's also my only major complaint.
I didn't interpret it that way. You can very much interpret this to be a "letter" you receive at the point of creation, not before.
Additionally, when it says "seeing you in another form," I think it means seeing "the matter of which you are composed," as opposed to a consciousness.
I suppose if you really wanted to interpret it in the most religious tone possible you could view it the way you described, but I doubt that was the intention of the letter's creator give the obvious scientific and rationalistic themes in the rest of it.
[–]7thoughts 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
Absolutely brilliant. Came here just to say that.
[–]narcberry 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
OMG smell this used toilet paper Richard Dawkins used.
[–]backyardlion 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
This "letter" suggests the belief in the existence of a soul. Interesting.
[–]Scisyhp 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago
....No it doesn't.
I disagree.
[–]SnakeMan448 2 points3 points4 points 12 hours ago
I guess it's legit. That signature looks impossible to mimic.
[–]DuggleAss 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
In the event anyone else was as interested in finding a larger cleaner version like I was.
http://awake4life.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/472994_10150848112207518_7557552517_11744431_874906448_o1.jpg
[–]stanbeard 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
I've got to say whoever is in control of Dawkins's Twitter account doesn't really conduct themselves in the way I think the man himself would.
It can't really be him, can it? https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins
The frequency of the tweets makes me think it might not be.
But it probably is him.
[–]rockoman100 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
http://richarddawkins.net/
Says so on his website. And yes he posts a lot of links, but when he actually starts tweeting in his own voice- yep its definitely him
[–]LotusBunny[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
It seems like he retweets a lot more than he tweets in his own voice.
[–]numberonelotrfan 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Mother... Fucking... SCIENCE!!
[–]scratchwin 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago
Lame lifeform #sSi2349Mc1111JH got all those tools, a love of peace and oh did I mention they also got pyrokinesis? Humans are totally nerfed.
[–]for2fly 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
Oh, damn, now the universe is fucking spamming, Where will it end?
[–]ProdigalWhail 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
Anybody else catch the "PZ" in the species identification? Made me smile :)
[–]WirelessPribbling 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Why?
[–]Pround_Republican 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
The devil called, he wants his massager back.
[–]TurtleCave 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
How long before r/atheismplus starts calling it out as being ableist for "bipedalism"?
[–]woodchuck_pie 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
I need to email this to my sister, as a legit document. Anyone know where I can get it?
[–]_Missing_Link 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
"You may want to start by cultivating social relationships and improving conditions for other newcomers."
No, here, I'll fix it for you:
"You may want to start by watching your back and kicking ass at every opportunity. This is survival of the fittest and you better start proving that is you."
[–]MrHanekoma 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago
That just inspired me to go back to work.
[–]Goat_Porker 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago
My first thought when reading was that there aren't enough spaces in the lifeform #. At only 12 spaces and 36 characters per space (5 quintillion possibilities), by many estimates you can't number all of the insects on Earth.
[–]LotusBunny[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Haha, very true. Although, I must say that is a rather odd first thought, no?
[–]scibuff 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago
Saw this on Facebook in March - proof
[–]jesuslovesmeee -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 hours ago
This is great. It makes me feel that religion and science are pretty much the same thing. In truly understanding science, one understands God.
[–]mash3735 -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 hours ago
totally read that with like a surfer sort of "accent"
[–]gunfupanda -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 hours ago
"I fucking love science" posted it on Facebook this morning.
[–]guyinateepee -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 hours ago
Apparently the no fapping in September memo didn't make it to the atheism crowd, or were fapping circles excempt?
[–]wazzym -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 hours ago
Going to have this as my profile picture on fb!
[–]Delusid -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago
Cool story bro.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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