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[–]letsseeaction 560 points561 points562 points 11 hours ago
For the record: the cop was fired, put on a suspended sentence, and the town wound up paying over $100k to the woman.
Source
[–]triple_OH_7 109 points110 points111 points 10 hours ago
That's not exactly what is says.
Regine said the town of Lincoln has paid more than $100,000 to settle civil claims involving Krawetz.
Claims, plural, as in it's not the first time the city has had to pay for a settlement for this officer. He has a track record of assault, as the article indicates.
[–]ArmyCop119 21 points22 points23 points 7 hours ago
He caught a felony for this, suspended or not(it was). That means he will never be a cop anywhere, ever again.
So there's that.
[–]RobertTheSpruce 511 points512 points513 points 11 hours ago
This makes me sad.
[–]dr_magillicuddy 141 points142 points143 points 9 hours ago
Rhode Islander checking in. It makes me sad because it was my tax dollars paying her. If these lawsuits and settlements were paid out of the police pension fund, they would actually start policing each other.
[–]number1dilbertfan 31 points32 points33 points 8 hours ago
This one's got the right idea.
[–]Workhorse9 6 points7 points8 points 8 hours ago
Except then the retarded actions of one officer fucks the rest of the force, and they beat the shit out of him post action.
Nice idea, but it's flawed.
[–]monkeys_pass 12 points13 points14 points 8 hours ago
It's flawed, but at least the incentives are properly aligned.
[–]ArianFosterThePeople 317 points318 points319 points 10 hours ago
I wish I got over 100k every time I did something idiotic when I was drunk
[–]Aela_the_Huntress 298 points299 points300 points 9 hours ago
She didn't get 100k. That's the total amount of money the city has paid out for all the cases against this particular officer according to the link letsseeaction posted.
Also I have to say yes, trying to kick an officer is idiotic. But she's barefoot and already cuffed. There was no need to retaliate. He could have just stepped back and got her for attempted battery (or whatever charge is appropriate) instead. Kicking a cuffed person in the face while wearing shoes is excessive for any person, but a cop? That just shows horrible judgement on his part and he deserved to be fired.
[–]thisguynamedjoe 46 points47 points48 points 8 hours ago
I was momentarily torn between her drunken lunacy (I think she was aiming for his nuts) and his unequal reaction, but when you put it this way... Yea. Morally repugnant. She's an idiot and he's a jerk.
[–]omegared38 25 points26 points27 points 7 hours ago
he is a cop. His Job is to keep the peace. Not to retaliate.
[–]NotVerySmarts 34 points35 points36 points 8 hours ago
I watched it ten times....I'm not taking sides.
[–]AustNerevar 33 points34 points35 points 9 hours ago
Exactly.
[–]mjolnir616 20 points21 points22 points 8 hours ago
She didn't get money for what she did, it was for what he did. Kicking restrained drunk people who are on the floor in the face is not cool. Yeah she went for him first, he's supposed to be a cop.
[–]dieselmachine 2 points3 points4 points 8 hours ago
It wasn't what she did. It's what was done by the "law enforcement" officer.
Had he not used unwarranted force against a restrained suspect, that "something idiotic" would have been just another criminal charge on her record.
[–]bestbiff 16 points17 points18 points 10 hours ago
Maybe you'll luck out and run into a cop who acts like a 5 year old. This dumbass should have just had battery added to whatever reason she was in handcuffs, but instead the cop had to retaliate like a power tripping mofo and kicked her in the skull. Pay day.
[–]ArianFosterThePeople 6 points7 points8 points 9 hours ago
I have kicked people in the skull for less
[–]Mradnor 10 points11 points12 points 8 hours ago
While you were on the clock at work? If so, did you get fired?
[–]oscarasimov 16 points17 points18 points 8 hours ago
Ya know how they say that if a cop is wrongly arresting you, then you should NOT resist arrest and just take the proper recourse through the appropriate channels??
Thats how I see this.
Was she disrespectful? Yes. Did she break the law by "assaulting" him? Absolutely. But was she really any kind of threat that needed to be stopped?? C'mon, lets be serious.
I get that he is a cop and all but I really don't see how that should give him the authority to dispense kicks to the face when people annoy him.
[–]donald_margolis 3 points4 points5 points 9 hours ago
It makes me sad too, the cop should pay the fine by working the mines. I don't know why the town foots the bill. He was probably suspended with pay too...meatheads.
[–]Roached_N_Weeded 4 points5 points6 points 9 hours ago
Sad? a restrained woman tried to kick the officer, the trained "keeper of the peace" responded by trying to dodge it, getting the idea "damn, that bitch who is handcuffed on the curb tried pretty feebly to kick my shins. I AM IN SERIOUS DANGER HERE, LOOK AT HOW MUCH POWER SHE HAS OVER ME IN THIS SITUATION! Only one option now....FACE KICK!" So I guess it makes me sad too. Sad that people with such poor decision making skills are out "Protecting Us". The part that is really shitty is the 100k.....
[–]Dashtego 38 points39 points40 points 10 hours ago
That punishment seems fair. It's a matter of principal, really. Whether or not the specifics of the scenario make that punishment seem extreme, the fact is that the police must not be able to act like that. The police should be held to higher standards of conduct than average citizens and should be punished more harshly when they violate those standards. We cede the police enough power over us as it is, so we need to make sure they cannot commit violence against us unless it is absolutely essential that they do so. That means that every act of police violence that exceeds that criterion must be dealt with quickly and harshly, lest the police as agents of the state slowly build up a greater allowance for violence against citizens. It is crucial to repeatedly be establishing precedent for restricting, condemning, and punishing out-of-bounds behavior of the police and the only way to do that is to make an example of officers that act out.
[–]KarmaStick 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
Thank you for posting that. I get so angry when I see police officers do that shit. There are a lot of really good police officers, then on the other side, there are complete douchebags that do not deserve any amount of respect. I just cannot understand why there is no police brutality law. They are constantly trying to pass these, SOPA and PIPA laws, when in reality we could use a law that protected people from douchebag cops.
[–]KindBass 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
Ugh, I finally see something on Reddit where I can be like "Hey, I'm from there!" and it's a cop kicking a hand-cuffed woman in the head.
[–]rbuckhead 9 points10 points11 points 8 hours ago*
For everyone defending the police officer. The court, who is hardly anti-law enforcement found him guilty. "He was found guilty in January of felony battery with a dangerous weapon for kicking Donna Levesque, of Uxbridge, Mass." This former officer is now a convicted Felon. EDIT: He is on probation for 10 years. EDIT: This is a really good video regarding ADW Assault with a Deadly Weapon: http://www.shouselaw.com/assault-weapon.html
[–]DebW 67 points68 points69 points 11 hours ago
That's fucking stupid.
[–]ewenwhatarmy 67 points68 points69 points 10 hours ago
how? yeah the woman kicked him, but where was he seriously in danger? he kicked her in the head with a boot on - seems a little extreme. Fine her for assault. Cry about your shin later. Don't give her brain damage (she clearly had enough)
[–]dreckmal 90 points91 points92 points 10 hours ago
Pretty much this. Look, that officer is supposed to remain calm for his job. All he really had to do was back away from the woman, not haul off and give her a boot to the face. He was also digging through her purse. People should be aware that physical violence is the last answer, not the first. She wasn't even wearing shoes. She kicks the cop in the leg, and his immediate reaction is to boot her in the face. He acted like a thug, not a police officer representing his community.
[–]methoxeta -1 points0 points1 point 10 hours ago*
Yes, it was wrong. Wrong enough to lose your job, be put on suspended sentence, and be the cause of giving that woman 100k? Not in my opinion.
Edit: opinion.
[–]morelore 62 points63 points64 points 10 hours ago
From some followup, it looks like the 100k number is actually the total amount the city has spent in the multiple investigations that this officer has been involved in. Still think it's unfair?
[–]unbraikable 8 points9 points10 points 7 hours ago
Are you insane?
Cops should be held to even higher moral standards than citizens.
[–]adalonus 3 points4 points5 points 10 hours ago
Depends on how hard the kick was. There could have been medical bills to pay for from the damage. 100K worth? No, but it's worth something.
[–]DeathByFarts 18 points19 points20 points 10 hours ago
Damages like that are not only to pay the woman for the bills , but to make sure that there is a large enough penalty so that there is not a repeat incident.
100k bill to the department , and that department will be just a bit more careful in how it trains its cops. Even if its just the supervisor reminding the officers to at least make sure your not on camera before you kick a cuffed person in the face.
[–]sidemissionchris 34 points35 points36 points 9 hours ago
Anyone who reacts like that shouldn't be a police officer. Period. She was on the ground, cuffed. He was in no danger whatsoever. This isn't bad training, it's bad screening.
[–]inawordno 22 points23 points24 points 10 hours ago
I'm with you man.
She was a bitch, and an idiotic one at that, but he really isn't in any danger. It's just angry retaliation. I don't expect that from a person, let a lone a policeman.
[–]ElGoddamnDorado 6 points7 points8 points 10 hours ago
Police are people too, just like everybody else. Even assholes can appear to be good people, especially when it comes to getting a job. They fired him when he showed his true colours.
[–]KTHaunteR 6 points7 points8 points 10 hours ago
I agree. Kicking a cuffed tied woman directly in the face (Hard) is stupid.
[–]Lostinaseaofdreams 31 points32 points33 points 10 hours ago
That woman did not deserve a dime.
[–]number1dilbertfan 11 points12 points13 points 8 hours ago
Good, that guy's a fucking asshole. A combat boot to the head is not a reasonable response to a bare foot to the shin.
[–]gloomdoom 7 points8 points9 points 10 hours ago
Good.
Now if we could only establish some kind of dependable system where cops understand that if they use excessive force (as most of them do) that they will lose their jobs and the city will pay.
Cops aren't what they used to be. They used to help old ladies cross the street, get cats out of trees, help change a flat tire, etc.
These days, they have established their force as some kind of overbearing entity in most smaller towns. Even where crime rates are super low, they go around heckling people, trying to throw their weight around and generally abuse their positions to create power over others.
[–]frankzilla8395 4 points5 points6 points 11 hours ago
but she had it coming!
[–]mjolnir616 14 points15 points16 points 8 hours ago
Is this a joke? Restrained drunk on the ground in no position to pose a threat throws a halfhearted sideways kick, trained professional whose entire job is to keep the peace and protected the public boots her in the face. People like that are the antithesis of what policing should be.
[–]Jsiw1017 13 points14 points15 points 11 hours ago
Hell yeah she had it coming. Shit, maybe I'll go provoke a cop to hit me, and sue..... ::facepalm::
[–]CaptainJizzBeard -1 points0 points1 point 10 hours ago
He should have kicked her harder.
[–]Captainpatch 108 points109 points110 points 11 hours ago
That police officer is obviously violating the established rule of "No tag backs."
[–]Derubberhammer 21 points22 points23 points 9 hours ago
I don't see the problem he proclaimed and I quote "I AM THE LAW" as his boot was flying threw the air.
[–]chewydive 89 points90 points91 points 11 hours ago
This cop lost his job over this
[–]pdx_girl 18 points19 points20 points 10 hours ago
Good. If he reacts emotionally to situations, and seeks petty revenge, then he won't be a very good cop. They are put in far more emotional situations all the time. If he can't restrain himself from kicking someone back, then how will he restrain himself after a coworker gets shot or after a wife-beater is arrested?
If someone kicked a doctor in the shins and the doctor kicked them back in the head, then you wouldn't hear people siding with the doctor. Certain professions are expected to act with more patience and less reactive emotions than others.
[–]Mahat 4 points5 points6 points 11 hours ago
did you see her head bounce off the pavement?
[–]skratchx 28 points29 points30 points 9 hours ago
Aaaand the reposting of the 700+ gif album, one at a time, has begun.
[–]Unconfidence 82 points83 points84 points 11 hours ago
I feel this was excessive. Excessive means more than necessary. Was it necessary to kick her? No. She could have simply been put into the back of a patrol car, where she couldn't kick anymore. It's not like she could resist that.
The officer kicked her for revenge, not for necessity.
[–]ne0codex -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago
She could have also not kicked the officer in the legs, too...
[–]never_knows_best 24 points25 points26 points 8 hours ago
Who deserves the higher bar, a random citizen or someone given multiple weapons and authority by the government?
[–]Croc_Clock 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
Not to mention, I imagine she got in trouble for kicking the officer. Or maybe they dropped the charge to lower the settlement. Anyway, if he had acted like a grown up she definitely would've been facing a felony for assaulting an officer, which would likely have gotten her in more trouble than the cop got into for a much more dangerous action.
[–]T3hp3trock 9 points10 points11 points 10 hours ago
Probably could have just farted on her and gotten away with it.
[–]scruffy01 1002 points1003 points1004 points 13 hours ago
Fuck the anti-cop circlejerk.
Don't assault a police officer and you won't get hurt. This woman is a fucking idiot.
[–]Charleybucket 88 points89 points90 points 10 hours ago
The majority of the time you'd be right. And this woman is an idiot. But there is absolutely no reason he should have kicked her in the head. She poses no threat at all. He did that purely out of anger.
[–]TragicOne 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Probably taught her not to kick cops though.
[–]IronChariots 15 points16 points17 points 7 hours ago
This does not justify his behavior. It is not a cop's job to punish somebody or to teach them a lesson. They should use the absolute minimum force to safely restrain a suspect, and absolutely no more. Even stepping a little over that line should have severe consequences for the officer, and going as far as this cop does should be worse. He may have lost his job, but he should have gone to jail and should count himself lucky that he didn't.
[–]scooooot 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
The only thing that taught her is to not trust police and to hire a good lawyer, because it's clearly on video.
It's absurd that people are ok with this. Why are you ok with the police beating a helpless woman? The police are not Judge Dredd, they cannot treat citizens like that! You understand that that could very easily be you, right?!
[–]dieselmachine 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago
Did it? As long as you can find a cop with anger management problems, the ones that should have been put behind the desk long ago but weren't, then you can get a good payout by exploiting his psychotic tendencies.
Given the guy in question was previously "disciplined" for similar circumstances (oh no, 3 day weekends!), how hard would it have been to note his name, and then next time you encounter him, kick him weakly in the leg while drunk and handcuffed, and make sure you do it in front of a fucking casino where there are cameras everywhere, just to make sure that when he explodes in fury and vengeance, it all gets caught on film?
[–]girlguidecookies 491 points492 points493 points 11 hours ago
I'd rather think that the main objection would be the unnecessary retaliation.
[–]Zincorium 302 points303 points304 points 11 hours ago
True. The cop wasn't in any danger, and he shouldn't have reacted with force. The woman would have gotten charged with assault, even if she got off on the original crime- if he'd just kept his cool, she'd have gotten more than adequate payback for that kick and he would have kept his job.
[–]GroundhogExpert 12 points13 points14 points 8 hours ago
She's still getting charged for attacking an officer. Guaranteed.
[–]toodrunktofuck 127 points128 points129 points 10 hours ago
That's battery, not assault.
[–]Zincorium 39 points40 points41 points 10 hours ago
I've honestly never been 100% clear on where the line is drawn. But it'll definitely get you a criminal charge if you do it to a cop.
[–]stevo_knevo 78 points79 points80 points 10 hours ago
The line is at contact.
Assault is threatening of imminent harm, or punching at and missing. It becomes battery once physical contact has been achieved.
Source: Once a "paralegal" in a prosecutor's office.
Caveat: Could potentially vary largely based on jurisdiction.
[–]john_wetwire 29 points30 points31 points 10 hours ago
Not every state has assault AND battery.
[–]donpapillon 17 points18 points19 points 8 hours ago
Only the best ones~
[–]Brandaman 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago
Not everywhere is America. England has both, and I'd assume most other European countries do too.
[–]pakiman47 3 points4 points5 points 10 hours ago
true in theory, but it's still an assault...and a battery. battery just came after the assault. can and would be charged with both.
[–]Damaband41 5 points6 points7 points 9 hours ago
He shouldn't have, but I don't judge him for it.
[–]IronChariots 5 points6 points7 points 7 hours ago
I do. He shouldn't have and did it anyway. A kick to the head can cause pretty severe damage. The cop knew that but didn't care. He probably wouldn't have cared even if she suffered some sort of permanent brain injury.
Fuck this cop. Cops like him make the rest look bad.
[–]yellowsnow2 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 hours ago
I agree. That cop took it upon himself to decide punishment/revenge. That is a judges job. The cop should also be arrested .
[–]jack_spankin 16 points17 points18 points 9 hours ago
I wonder how people would feel if it was a male perp. and female officer?
[–]AscentofDissent 44 points45 points46 points 8 hours ago
Hopefully the same if she then KICKED HIM IN THE FACE.
[–]jack_spankin 13 points14 points15 points 8 hours ago
Let's be honest. It wouldn't be the same reaction at all. People would cheer for that shit.
[–]Setiri 6 points7 points8 points 7 hours ago
I highly disagree. We've seen lots of evidence that just because it's a female officer, if she does something that goes beyond the appropriate reaction, she'll get jumped on just as much, and rightfully so.
Take for instance the female police officer who accidentally shot the guy who was cuffed on the ground beneath her.
[–]mjolnir616 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
They would feel "don't kick a restrained member of the public in the face".
[–]jack_spankin 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
I call bullshit on that. People would be cheering like crazy.
[–]gliscameria 49 points50 points51 points 10 hours ago
He's being paid to be in control, she's not.
[–]ToKeYMonsTeR 24 points25 points26 points 9 hours ago
The actual circle jerk in this thread is the pro cop one.
[–]dopestep 62 points63 points64 points 11 hours ago
normally i agree. honestly i do. but when someone is in handcuffs i think its a little different. if someone assaults you and isn't restrained they can possibly injure or kill you and you cant possibly know their intentions. in those cases you must fight for your life. when someone (a woman especially) is in handcuffs they aren't a threat. cops need to hold themselves to a higher moral standard than the general public and this was just unprofessional.
[–]Neker 70 points71 points72 points 11 hours ago
this was just unprofessional.
it was also, and mainly, against the law.
[–]dopestep 9 points10 points11 points 10 hours ago
definitely. in fact there was prob a hugeee lawsuit after this.
[–]sweetmercy 18 points19 points20 points 10 hours ago
Thank goodness the courts don't agree with you. I am not anti-cop, but in no way is his kicking her unconscious warranted by that little tap on his leg. Is she an idiot? At least when she's intoxicated, sure. Did she deserve the severity of that kick to the head? FUCK NO.
[–]Vaktathi 72 points73 points74 points 11 hours ago*
Assault and Battery on an unarmed, handcuffed woman is ok then? Yes she's an idiot, that doesn't excuse the officers conduct in any way, shape or form.
"Zomg she weakly kicked my shin with her bare foot! Kicking her in the head with my boots is totally the responsible course of action!"
That's not taking control of the situation, that's not police training, that's retaliation, it's assault and battery, and he lost his job and narrowly avoided prison for it. giving cops a pass on incidents like this is what leads them to do even worse things.
There's no reason a trained, armed officer needed that sort of reaction with an unarmed, restrained, barefoot woman on the ground.
[–]videogameboy76 135 points136 points137 points 11 hours ago
Don't assault a police officer and you won't get hurt.
Rather than hiding behind semantics to sanitize what happened, I suggest you stick to the facts.
Kick a cop in the foot, and get a kick to the back of the head. Yeah, that's absolutely deserved.
She shouldn't have done what she did, but what he did was worse, since it was excessive force and performed on a restrained subject.
People have rights. She should have been charged with assault, and stuffed in the back of a car. That would have been an appropriate response.
[–]TrippyVersion 97 points98 points99 points 10 hours ago
Exactly, the cop is there for law enforcement, but he isn't there to give the punishment - that's what judges/jury in courts are for.
[–]asldkfououhe 10 points11 points12 points 10 hours ago
he booted a handcuffed person in the back of the fucking head
what is the matter with reddit?
[–]justpissingthrough 6 points7 points8 points 10 hours ago
correct, don't assault a police officer. but she was in cuffs, sitting on the ground, and kicked him in the shin. he retaliated by striking her in the head with a shod foot. which is assault, and which actually hurt?
[–]Condog64 31 points32 points33 points 12 hours ago
I don't even see an anti-cop circlejerk in this thread. You state like you're going against the grain, but no one seems to be defending the woman.
[–]superz9579 7 points8 points9 points 9 hours ago
Reddit translates into "anti cop circlejerk."
[–]StinkyWes 37 points38 points39 points 11 hours ago
I remember a case a few years ago in some British riots. Some obviously drugged up woman started throwing punches and shouting abuse at a police officer, and he retaliates by hitting her once or twice with a baton leaving a bruise. The video shows he was no way in the wrong, yet everybody went mad and he lost his job because of it. Absurd.
[–]TehKazlehoff 67 points68 points69 points 11 hours ago
this is a wee bit different. shes allready in custody. shes cuffed, surrounded by 3 police officers.
then she does something stupid. argeed, kicking a cop is retarded.
then the cop full on "assault with a deadly weapon" kicks her in the head.
did you know that cop boots are steel toe/shank or carbon fiber reinforced (same as steeltoes but quieter and lighter)?
yeah.
[–]StinkyWes 5 points6 points7 points 11 hours ago
Ah, that's true. I know the kinda shoes, I use leather capped ones for mountain biking (I know, no where near as hard) but damn they are solid. Let's say they're both in the wrong
[–]IMTypingThis 26 points27 points28 points 8 hours ago
Call me crazy, but I think we should actually have higher expectations for cops than for criminals.
[–]mjolnir616 9 points10 points11 points 8 hours ago
Only one of them is being paid by the public to uphold the law though.
[–]DeathByFarts 3 points4 points5 points 9 hours ago
Did you know that cops footwear is not some universal standard.
It would depend in the regulations in that department as to what the officer is required to wear.
[–]TehKazlehoff 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
He was found guilty of "felony battery with a dangerous weapon".
that implies there was more than just a foot in that boot.
[–]Fire_Man 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
Did you know that facts will get you no-where when it comes to the hive-mind and the police. All police are exactly the same and all police are always wrong.
[–]delurkrelurker 11 points12 points13 points 9 hours ago
Tagged as "Approves of kicking people in the head"
[–]xNinjahz 7 points8 points9 points 11 hours ago
Yeah I agree, but does that merit a boot to the face?
[–]analog_guy 3 points4 points5 points 10 hours ago
Also, she didn't call no tag back.
[–]snorgsniffer 7 points8 points9 points 11 hours ago
And with that comment, the slippery slope just had another drop of oil added to it.
How soon before words are considered "assault", I wonder?
[–]loondawg 9 points10 points11 points 10 hours ago
We're too late. They already are! The threat of violence is assault. The physical act is battery.
But I'm guessing you already knew that. Your comment made me do a double take as I had been reading assault right through without catching the error.
[–]woyteck 16 points17 points18 points 12 hours ago
It's so simple, yet people just don't get it.
[–]taysacs 23 points24 points25 points 10 hours ago
I totally agree, however, there's a difference between defending or retaliating to violence, and having an escalated response. He should have thrown her ass in the back of a police car, not kick her in the fucking head--he's not just a run of the mill civilian.
[–]Tastingo 50 points51 points52 points 10 hours ago
What I don't get is why kicking her in the face was necessary.
[–]OODanK 23 points24 points25 points 10 hours ago
Dude! He was texting. She interrupted. Bitch got face kicked!
[–]dylanstalker 7 points8 points9 points 10 hours ago
I wonder what kind of other shit like this he pulled that was never caught on camera.
[–]Bizoza9 3 points4 points5 points 11 hours ago
Yeah, except for the whole not assaulting an officer isnt enough to keep you from getting hurt, looking suspicious can generally get you hurt if a cop decides he doesnt like you
[–]seth11111 5 points6 points7 points 9 hours ago
Are you kidding me? Get a little tap on the shin from a woman and you boot her in the fucking face with combat boots? Fuck you and fuck that cop.
[–]secret_marish 25 points26 points27 points 10 hours ago
This is retaliatory childish bullshit. Rolling her over and holding her face against the concrete until you could put physical barriers between himself and her behavior is fine. Hold her real tight, put your knees in her back. This isn't how you go about it. This is definitely WTF. I work with combative people. If they kick me in the shin, my response is not to one-up them with physical abuse. You are TRAINED on how to subdue, not overreact.
[–]locklin 18 points19 points20 points 10 hours ago*
Sorry to have to be one of those guys in the "Anti-Cop circle-jerk", but what that officer did was not appropriate or reasonable.
She was stupid for kicking the officer in the first place, you do not assault a police officer. However, she hit him in the ankle bare-foot, while sitting on the ground handcuffed, with her ankle - and his first instinct was to kick her even harder, with his BOOT, in her HEAD.
Do you guys honestly believe he was thinking about "preventing further escalation" as he kicked the back of her head? Really?
[–]TehKazlehoff 16 points17 points18 points 10 hours ago
Godamnit, its not an "anti-cop circle jerk"
we are not anti police for believing this guy went way the fuck out of line. Were anti-"this asshole cop who went out of line"
theres a difference!
[–]dieselmachine 7 points8 points9 points 8 hours ago
He's referring to the top comment, where a stupid fuck referred to the rational responses as being an 'anti-cop circlejerk' because he simply cannot believe there is any possible reason for someone to be against kicking defenseless, restrained women in the head with cop boots, so the people must just be "anti cop".
Makes me weep a bit for the state of humanity that his comment is rated over 600. That is a whole lot of dumb motherfuckers on reddit, all lining up to proudly show their misanthropy.
[–]compareandcontrast1 3 points4 points5 points 9 hours ago
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever. "
[–]dinostar 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
Anybody ever work with jerkoffs like this? Obviously he was wrong, but it wears on you. Every day, people like this. Every goddamn day. People on reddit complain how stupid everyone is around them, "this person did that, yadda yadda, some days I wish I could just yadda yadda", then as soon as someone who has to deal with scum day in and day out as their job description snaps, they get crucified. Obviously there's a problem with abuse of power, and I'm no cop, but I work with people like this and you lose all sense of humanity very quickly when you have to deal with the trashy lowlifes that are 90% of your human contact for your underpaid, under appreciated job.
[–]hgodby 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
I see nothing wrong here
[–]pseudoguru 18 points19 points20 points 11 hours ago
Oh look the violent cop defense brigade is out again! I am seeing more and more of these guys. He kicked a seated, handcuffed woman in the face. There is no valid defense for his action. If the officer can not control this situation with a more reasonable use of force (preferably one that does not open up the state to litigation) then he does not deserve to hold a position of authority.
[–]Mannex 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
in this case reddit is on the cops side because he kicked some stupid slut who hates science and probably only dates jocks
[–]MrButtermancer 7 points8 points9 points 8 hours ago
Reverse the genders. Make the (woman) cop a minority. Is this the same situation? No. This thought experiment demonstrates to me that there is grey area.
He was struck. He struck back. He probably used excessive force, but this is absolutely not police brutality. Lack of judgement and a poor temper, yes, but this should NOT have been a big deal. The police officer was struck. With racial and gender ambiguity this situation is transparently a dumb citizen and an angry cop.
[–]i_love_younicorns 8 points9 points10 points 9 hours ago
What cops should be are shining examples of the law. Instead, a good deal of them seem to think that they are above the law.
[–]scruffy01 183 points184 points185 points 13 hours ago*
Just to make this shit clear.
Cops aren't trained to respond to an attack with the exact same force used on them. They are trained to IMMEDIATELY take control of the situation and place force onto the person that will keep them restrained.
If he had just wagged his finger after she did this shit then it could easily escalate. Starts with a kick, she gets brave and then she stands up, next thing you know he is head butted while she is running away, or worst case scenario her friend gets a hold of the dazed officer's weapon.
That is what they avoid. That is why they respond QUICKLY and FORCEFULLY.
What he did was not excessive force, that woman will be absolutely fine. Save your bullshit for when cops actually do step out of line.
[–]Charlestonian 13 points14 points15 points 9 hours ago
They are trained to IMMEDIATELY take control of the situation and place force onto the person that will keep them restrained
She is handcuffed, sitting on the ground, with 3 cops around her. How does kicking her in the face "keep [her] restrained?"
[–]snorgsniffer 152 points153 points154 points 10 hours ago
You are full of shit.
I was a cop, and controlled situations every day. What the cop did in that clip had nothing to do with training or control, and everything to do with being an asshat thug for whom Hollywood Hero / Big Balls opportunities didn't come around often enough, so he manufactured one.
Every police force has a sizable minority of such bullies. I wish they got caught on film pulling their gratuitous tuffguy shit more often, and were fired the next day.
[–]Aeromir 13 points14 points15 points 7 hours ago
I'm with this guy.
[–]Arty_Yo 8 points9 points10 points 9 hours ago
lol at you justifying kicking a woman in the head full force, for a drunken shin tap. murrica..
[–]DeathByFarts 7 points8 points9 points 9 hours ago
She is in cuffs .. with three other officers around her.
There was no reason to kick her. Seriously , you think this was OK.
What if that was your wife , or daughter , or mother ? Would you still think it was OK ?
[–]mrgreenjeans9 32 points33 points34 points 11 hours ago
or he could've you know...written it up as an additional charge and took 2 steps away from her.
[–]dylanstalker 6 points7 points8 points 10 hours ago
But then he would have gotten head butted and she would have ran away.... Duh.
[–]ffilps 4 points5 points6 points 9 hours ago
that would involve a brain.
[–]iruber1337 77 points78 points79 points 11 hours ago
Like this.
[–]YEA_VERILY 21 points22 points23 points 11 hours ago
What's the context on this?
She looks to be casually walking away, so I assume the cop shouted for her to stop and she ignored him. If she was dangerous, the tackle makes sense. On the other hand, she doesn't seem to be in much of a rush, and looks like she has no idea what's coming.
[–]MegaFoch 46 points47 points48 points 11 hours ago
She was drunk (underage), insulted her mom and threw a few punches at her infront of a supermarket. The girl went walking but the cop came behind to stop her.
[–]bacon_cake 19 points20 points21 points 10 hours ago
the cop came behind to stop her
Stop her? Or almost break her neck?
[–]iruber1337 7 points8 points9 points 10 hours ago
Here is a link to the story.
Youtube video sync'ed up at the right time.
[–]excommunicated 19 points20 points21 points 10 hours ago
You've a very dystopian view of the world.
If you see this as "Either he kicks her in the face with a boot, or she kills them all" you really need to get out more.
[–]IndigoPisces 5 points6 points7 points 8 hours ago
Spoken like someone who has never been kicked in the head while defenceless...
[–]wolfie1010 13 points14 points15 points 10 hours ago
You're a dumb ass. Cops are actually trained in the concept of 'use of force' and in no way was his response here justified under that training.
[–]jredbone 26 points27 points28 points 10 hours ago
I work with children, if one of them hits me with a weak kick, can i punt them across the room? You know, just in case.
[–]raaaargh_stompy 4 points5 points6 points 8 hours ago
God you are an idiot, what are you 14 with a love of US cop dramas?
[–]Vaktathi 50 points51 points52 points 11 hours ago*
And guess what, what he did was assault and battery. She kicked him, he clearly wasn't hurt and wasn't in any danger from a handcuffed woman, and he responded, not by taking control of the situation or diffusing anything, but by retaliating. There isn't any honest cop that would call this situation good police work.
Sure, charge her with the same crime, but just because she did something stupid DOES NOT give cops the right to respond in kind, just like it doesn't for anyone else. Giving them a pass is what opens up greater abuses and I'm glad he lost his career for it.
If unarmed woman in handcuffs without shoes and sitting down constitutes that much of a threat to an armed unrestrained officer in a superior position, then something is wrong with that officer.
[–]applesforadam 15 points16 points17 points 10 hours ago
This is my opinion exactly. If we as citizens are content with cops who exhibit the behavior of an 8 year old on the playground who after getting dirt thrown at him reaches for a fistful of his own then we are in trouble as a society.
[–]zwyanewade 5 points6 points7 points 10 hours ago
I believe that would be aggravated assault.
[–]Seel007 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago
Actually it's felony battery which is what he was found guilty of.
[–]morelore 4 points5 points6 points 10 hours ago
Yeah, you made that shit up entirely out of thin air and have never even been close to a police officers use of force guidelines.
[–]amongvillains 62 points63 points64 points 11 hours ago
Yeah, he was in some REAL danger from the seated and handcuffed woman with two other cops (and possibly more) surrounding her. How about just restraining her instead of kicking her directly in the back of the head? How you honestly see this as a justifiable response to her action is beyond my comprehension.
[–]ffilps 17 points18 points19 points 9 hours ago
How you honestly see this as a justifiable response to her action is beyond my comprehension.
it's got to do with his intellect. it's the same level as the cop's.
[–]toodrunktofuck 5 points6 points7 points 10 hours ago
What is this I can't even. It still doesn't have to be a kick in the head. Especially when you know the person has no possibility to catch the fall. There are three police men standing close around. There was no way in hell she could have stood up and do anything to harm them. He could have just kicked her in the side as a "don't fuck with me"-signal and if she had kept being resistant then they could have cuffed her feet. But where this use of force is justifiable is beyond me. Maybe it's lawful in the US but that simply shows that in your country there is problem.
[–]GIMME_BANANA 41 points42 points43 points 11 hours ago
Yeah! I agree!
I mean, maybe if he didn't kick her in the head with steel toed boots, she might have ignored those handcuffs she is wearing, the shoes she is not wearing and the fact that 4 male cops in their prime are surrounding her and in control of the situation...God knows what she would have done!
[–]orthag 2 points3 points4 points 10 hours ago
Cops don't wear steel toed boots. They wear either dress shoes or sneakers.
[–]FarFromXanadu 5 points6 points7 points 9 hours ago
I don't know what country you're from, but in most places in the world cops do wear boots.
[–]mvduin 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
I've literally never noticed dress shoes on a cop. Not meaning to say it doesn't happen, but I'm unfamiliar.
[–]dieselmachine 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
You're a sociopath for even attempting (yet failing) to justify assault on an unarmed, restrained suspect. She was surrounded by cops, if you think for even a second that this would have escalated, you're a fucking idiot.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
[–]momoichigo 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
I'm sure he did nothing wrong. That must be why he was fired over this exact incident.
[–]Seel007 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago
Please never breed. It's in the best interest of society.
[–]matlick 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
She was in handcuffs on the ground. It can't escalate. Otherwise, I would agree.
[–]Abrham_Smith 32 points33 points34 points 12 hours ago*
It's great you want to go "against the grain" on police brutality. However I highly doubt the context of this gif is as cut and dry as it seems. I see a reasonably well dressed woman sitting on a curb surrounded by 3 male police officers and hand cuffed behind her back. Legitimizing her as a threat to this man is quite near sighted and silly.
I could see your eye for an eye logic in a gang setting where that type of mentality is rewarded and usually first case. What I don't understand is how you can compare a kick to the officer's shin with a kick to the face is reasonable force.
I don't agree with the woman assaulting the officer but I also don't agree with him kicking her in the face, there are other mentalities that work just as well as force.
Yes, down vote me because a trained officer retaliating a kick to the shin with a kick to the face that could have resulted in brain trauma.
[–]BlazedSheep 6 points7 points8 points 12 hours ago
But, Dude... I called no tag-backs :(
[–]penjarvith 11 points12 points13 points 12 hours ago
Do police wear steel-toed shoes? Where I'm from, kicking someone in the head with a steel toe is assault with a deadly weapon.
[–]bhermit 15 points16 points17 points 11 hours ago
Where is this place, Melodrama Island?
[–]tryndasphere 16 points17 points18 points 9 hours ago
Having treated my share of head wounds, I wish you would at least try to understand how deadly it is to kick someone in the head.
It kills a lot of people.
[–]penjarvith 6 points7 points8 points 10 hours ago
Nah more like the place where a man who kicks a handcuffed woman in the head gets his fucking balls ripped off, Massachusetts
[–]Vitharr 10 points11 points12 points 12 hours ago
Easily escalate? The small handcuffed female?
This is showing who is boss. You kick me? I kick you!
A kick to the head is something you do when you are prepared to kill someone.
[–]Ghazz 4 points5 points6 points 11 hours ago
That's what I do. Whenever I am prepared to kill someone, I first kick someone in the head. Sometimes I will kick two or three, just to get more excited and pumped up.
[–]hapsbang 3 points4 points5 points 11 hours ago
since kicks the head aren't dangerous, will you be willing to sit on a curb so I can kick you in the temple with a work boot? After all, you will be fine afterwords.
[–]Lurkerhereduh 6 points7 points8 points 9 hours ago
All I see is two dumb people interacting.
[–]penkap1 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
But only one of the dumb people is paid to uphold the law.
[–]dr_magillicuddy 10 points11 points12 points 9 hours ago
To all the people saying "but she hit him first,"
Taxpayers fund his salary to not be petty and retaliatory, but rather to be the bigger man and diffuse the situation.
[–]KristinnEs 2 points3 points4 points 11 hours ago
God damnit Farva!
[–]red989 2 points3 points4 points 10 hours ago
Didn't take long for people to start taking GIFs out of that huge imgur post earlier.
[–]goobyplease 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
How can she kick?
[–]ideanmalek 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
I admit that a kick to the head was a bit excessive, but WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE THINKING?!!! Anyone that fucking stupid deserves it. And to think he lost his job, and she got 100k from that? Bullshit.
[–]mikesguitar 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
No startsies, triple stamped it, no erasies.
[–]RegCharles 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Boop.
[–]squirrelballs 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago
Of course there is a lot of police brutality going on in western states, and it is often ridiculous how these cases are prosecuted.
But WHO THE FUCK KICKS AN OFFICER?!
[–]riseofazrael 5 points6 points7 points 9 hours ago
Police Officer are supposed to exercise restraint, she was already subdued. There was absolutely no need to kick her in the head, in fact the only reason I can think of why he did was a bruised ego.
[–]I_Think_Alot 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
/R/JUSTICEPORN
[–]kamiikoneko 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago
I love how he just casually goes back to what he's doing, like swatting an annoying fly.
[–]sgtbridges23 15 points16 points17 points 13 hours ago
For once, i agree the cop was justified.
[–]gregclouds 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
Nope
[–]Mythran12 6 points7 points8 points 13 hours ago
hahahahahaha yes
[–]Moops7 4 points5 points6 points 12 hours ago
I like to picture him calmly stating, "Lay the fuck down."
[–]Alyssa_With_an_R 4 points5 points6 points 13 hours ago
Deserved it
[–]ToasterbathAftermath 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
That's actualy assault on an officer and self defense, he had every right to skull fuck the side of her head with his shoe,
[–]Charlestonian 4 points5 points6 points 9 hours ago
He probably should have shot her, right? Two in the chest, one in the head. She was assaulting him, after all.
[–]Neker 25 points26 points27 points 11 hours ago
Funny how both a judge and the officer's own hierarchy reached conclusions totally opposed to yours. Go figure ...
[–]FireReadyAim 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
yeah I'm sure there decision was related in no way to the publicity involved.
[–]Bloodb47h 8 points9 points10 points 10 hours ago
No it's not.
Doing something stupid doesn't give a police officer carte blanche to kick people in the head in retaliation.
[–]TehKazlehoff 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago
No,
its assault on an officer, yes. agree there.
but he does not respond appropriately for it to be called self defence. look at how she moves afterward. he damn near kicked her jaw OFF.
thats excessive force. plain and simple. if you believe otherwise you wear wife beaters and your gf/wife "falls down stairs" alot.
[–]NetWt4Lbs 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago
I would have fucking kicked her too, Someone strikes me in any way I've got no problems striking them in return.
[–]pinkythug 2 points3 points4 points 10 hours ago
I feel bad for laughing at this video
[–]monoenojado 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
I hate cops and i hate drunk idiotic bitches... this is dilemma...
[–]Sirspen 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
I don't understand why people are saying he shouldn't have reacted merely because she was restrained. People in cuffs headbutt cops all the time. Should nothing be done in response to that?
[–]Bluesky95 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago
Totally warranted... IMO
[–]Abeis 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago
Y'all are taking this too seriously. Watch close, the kick wasn't hard enough to cause an injury, but just hard enough to teach her not to kick a fucking cop. Sure the cop doesn't deserve a medal, but he doesn't deserve a fine and suspension for enforcing the law. Also, shut up it wasn't in her face, it was the back of her head, I donkey punch harder than that.
[–]whatevesbro 3 points4 points5 points 3 hours ago
I have done martial arts my entire life and I have never thrown that good. He kicked THE SHIT out of her.
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