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[–]jeezus84 20 points21 points ago

are you here to solve my catsup problem?

[–]allankcrain 116 points117 points ago

For people confused about the difference between the 4S and the 5:

  • Screen diagonally half an inch bigger
  • Nearly twice as fast
  • Better camera
  • Significantly thinner and lighter
  • 4G LTE
  • Switch to a hopefully-sturdier aluminum back
  • Switch to a different connector design

[–]omgdinosaurs 48 points49 points ago

This upgrade actually seems more significant than previous updates. I'm not sure why all the posts about them being the same. I think reddit was just hoping for a worthless upgrade so they could post their jokes, but then decided to post them anyway.

[–]cycopl 9 points10 points ago

It's people who bought iPhone 4 or 4S trying to justify not upgrading.

[–]digitalife 7 points8 points ago

Must be 4S. As much as I enjoyed my 4 over the last two years, it's time for an upgrade.

[–]commonplatypus 1 point2 points ago

I'm digging that one. Mine is on order.

[–]SChavles 0 points1 point ago

My 4 is still holding up strong, I am also getting the 4 though.

[–]omgdinosaurs 2 points3 points ago

[–]cycopl 2 points3 points ago

Seriously though, who else would care about it not being a big upgrade from the last iteration?

People that own iPhone 3G/3GS would be getting a huge upgrade.

People that own Androids or Windows phones have no real reason to care, unless they're thinking about switching to iPhone, in which case they'd be getting an upgrade unless they just recently bought a new android phone.

I think it's just iPhone4 and 4S users that don't want to drop the money to upgrade, so they make themselves feel better by saying it's not a big upgrade.

[–]sleeplessone 0 points1 point ago

As an iPhone 4 user, I'll be upgrading in December when my upgrade status rolls around.

It's an upgrade but doesn't feel as big of one as when I went from my 3G to the 4.

[–]allankcrain 14 points15 points ago

It is. It's not as big as jump as the 3Gs to 4, but it's much bigger than the 4=>4S or the 3G=>3Gs jump, and about on par with the iPhone=>iPhone 3G jump. So right about where you'd expect it to be in the product lifecycle for a full-digit version increment.

[–]barjam 4 points5 points ago

I would say it is a much bigger jump from 4 to 5 than 3G to 4 if LTE is truly 3 times or more faster.

[–]iJustmadethis2upvote 0 points1 point ago

Me: iPhone 4s Verizon with 3g =1.2 megs. Me friend: razr maxx Verizon with 4g lte = 31 megs. We were sitting right next to each other.

[–]allankcrain -1 points0 points ago

It's debatable. Depends on what features you care most about. I personally think that going from the old display to the retina display just entirely overshadows everything else. :)

[–]ndchristie 0 points1 point ago

I don't know, although it's not a technical achievement like the retina display, and some people won't care as much, the change from 3:2 to 16:9 is also pretty tremendous. Especially for developers.

[–]psycoee -3 points-2 points ago

So, now you can go through your 200MB data cap in 30 seconds instead of 2 minutes?

[–]barjam 0 points1 point ago

I have a 5gb cap.

[–]iJustmadethis2upvote 0 points1 point ago

unlimited with Verizon ___^ and yes you can upgrade without having to accept new terms. It's called Craig's list.

[–]Deluxe754 0 points1 point ago

Except with the Iphone 5 and a reasonable price.

[–]omgdinosaurs -1 points0 points ago

exactly

[–]ceezirr -1 points0 points ago

People just want the "wow" factor that came along with the jump in design from the 3G to the 4.

[–]DarG0 3 points4 points ago

Because it is some how "cool" to hate on any and every Apple product, no matter how well made it is. I honestly gets annoying. I am a fan of both PCs and Macs, as well as Android and IOS phones.

I will say this. I have owned 2 android smart phones and both are (now) buggy and slow. Not to mention the fact that my 1st android is only 2 years old and can not even update further then 2.3.4. I call that garbage. Correct me if im mistaken but the iPhone 3 (which is much older then my droid x) is able to update to IOS 4.

How many pictures do I need to take inorder to get a decent one with my android? Around 3 to 4. How many pictures do I need to take with my iPhone? 1. How many times have my android devices crashed on me? At least once a day. How many times has my Iphone crashed? I could probably count the TOTAL amount with my fingers. How many times has android launched unwanted apps which requires a 3rd party app so your battery life is not laughable? EVERY FREAKING MINUTE!!!!

I find that Android devices have the hottest and newest tech but they are generally poorly designed and made. They are outdated within a couple of months. While the Iphone is still a good competitor against the newest android devices.

Purchase what phone you like, but there is no reason to put down the iPhone. Apple tends to stretch everything that they say about their new products but thats what I call genius marketing.

[–]lepmerluap 32 points33 points ago

As much as I dislike apple I have to admit it's a really nice phone.

[–]Drybones5 7 points8 points ago

The camera is the same. It's almost the same module. Just smaller.

Camera app changed a bit, but it takes the same pictures and videos.

[–]gurrgg 12 points13 points ago

Unless I am mistaken, its actually not the exact same module, but as far as the consumer is concerned it is.

The specifications are the same, and the quality is the same, but the module itself is supposedly thinner.

Your point is still valid though, the camera hardware is not better.

[–]allankcrain 1 point2 points ago

Specifications are the same (i.e., the resolution and the maximum lens aperture), but that doesn't say the quality is the same--given that it's newer technology with either the same photosite size, one would expect (and Apple has stated) that the light gathering ability has improved, which will lead to less noise in lower light photos.

Plus, much more scratch-resistant sapphire crystal over the front lens element is a bonus.

[–]penguins_913q 0 points1 point ago

My understanding is that camera sensor is actually smaller. Which in the case of a phone camera isn't exactly a good thing.

[–]allankcrain 2 points3 points ago

I have seen evidence on the Internet saying both ways (i.e., that it's slightly smaller and that it's slightly larger).

I think the evidence for "slightly smaller" is just the fact that it's in a smaller form factor now. DPReview has some evidence for slightly larger, and I would trust them more.

From http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/12/Apple-iPhone-5-vs-iPhone-4S-image-comparison :

Close examination shows the iPhone 5 is using a 4.1mm lens to give a 33mm equivalent field of view, rather than the 4S's 4.3mm lens, which gave a 35mm equivalent view. This means the new sensor is a tiny fraction larger.

So I think it's not the sensor that's smaller so much as the camera module as a whole. I.e., same (or fractionally larger) sensor area, but the electronics and whatnot behind the sensor have have gotten smaller to accommodate the smaller form factor of the phone. It's really not like Apple to take a step backwards on the camera quality, after all.

[–]Endemoniada -2 points-1 points ago

It's literally NOT the same, since they had to rework it completely to fit into a much thinner phone...

[–]mrdobo 2 points3 points ago

You're playing lawyer here where it's unneccesary. Yes, technically and literally it is a different camera in that some components have been significantly modified to get this thing in a small form factor.

HOWEVER... realistically, the two have pretty much indistinguishable capabilities.

[–]allankcrain -1 points0 points ago

It can't be the same module. The old module would not fit in the new iPhone. It barely fit in the old iPhone.

[–]SllikkillS 0 points1 point ago

Also, the charger port is totally different, to make the charger go in any which way. BUT, what this means is that all the other doohickeys that previously were compatible with earlier versions of the iPhone are no longer compatible with the iPhone 5. Also, the GPS system now talks to you turn by turn, and has a 3D option where you can literally see the buildings pop up in front of you.

[–]FancySkunk 2 points3 points ago

For people confused about the difference between ketchup and catsup:

  • Ketchup was originally a British term, while catsup was an American term
  • Catsup now is mostly used in Latin America, and some parts of the US
  • Ketchup is sweetened with sugar, catsup is not

[–]raging_asshole 6 points7 points ago

In other words, it's actually decently different, and people should quit fucking complaining.

[–]allankcrain 0 points1 point ago

Nailed it.

[–]S-Flo 1 point2 points ago

Yeah it's a nice phone. That being said, the way Apple fans react to it is always ridiculous.

[–]_Wolfos 9 points10 points ago

Oh come on, if I were to go on the streets with a pear and ask what people think of this banana I'd probably get a few serious responses.

[–]allankcrain 3 points4 points ago

Yeah, that's more mocking human nature than Apple fans specifically. And a phone out of a case is going to seem like it's a different form factor than a phone in a case, which was how everyone in that video who had an iPhone was carrying theirs. And a brand new 4S is going to seem faster than a 4S that's been turned on and running apps for a while and letting its memory get a bit fragmented and probably has a few background processes running. Combine those and the natural human willingness to believe what an authority figure tells you and it's easy to see why people would legitimately think it was all new.

Anyway, none of those people were real Apple fans or they'd have known that the iPhone hadn't been released yet. :-P

[–]allankcrain 0 points1 point ago

I'm not even making a value judgement here (I mean, I'm totally an Apple fanboy, so I would make that argument); I'm just saying there are fairly significant differences.

[–]S-Flo -1 points0 points ago

Yes, it's a nice device and there are some fairly significant differences (particularly that boost in processing power).

However, if I owned an iPhone4 or iPhone4S, then this wouldn't warrant a purchase. What baffles me is not that people buy iPhones (that makes perfect sense) but that thousands line up to buy the new model when their current one is perfectly fine. That mentality makes no sense to me.

I use my electronics as long as I can before replacing anything. Hell, the laptop I'm typing this on is almost three years old. When it slowed down I upgraded it with an SSD for about $80 and now it's running like magic. I'm not replacing it for another year or more assuming it doesn't give out on me by then.

[–]Janake -1 points0 points ago

Yeah. The way that reddit reacts to it isn't ridiculous at all. Every day, multiple front page posts: "HEY GUYS THE NEW IPHONE IS THE SAME ONE AS THE LAST ONE LOL. ISN'T THAT FUNNY. ALL IPHONE USERS AND FANS ARE IDIOTS WHO DON'T KNOW ANYTHING LOL. LOLOLOLOLOL. LOL. HEY LET'S KEEP THIS JOKE GOING FOREVER IT'S REALLY FUNNY"

[–]allankcrain 2 points3 points ago

Holy shit. As someone who's upgrading from an iPhone 4, I just came reading that chart.

[–]TheSystem_IsDown 0 points1 point ago

4G LTE

To me, this and the screen change is the only thing on my radar. I'm so sick of people calling the 4S the 4G (because they went 3,3G,4,...) and thinking it was 4G. Not worth my $200 and 2 year contract extension though when the 4 is free.

[–]gurrgg -1 points0 points ago

Yeah, but they look similar, Q.E.D. they are exactly the same.

Edit: /sarcasm

[–]asshatnowhere 0 points1 point ago

i think the different connector is downside for now, sure its better, but its gonna be a pain for all the appliances which use the old one, of which there are a lot of.

[–]allankcrain -2 points-1 points ago

True, and I wouldn't argue with that. It'll be an improvement in the long term, but it sucks in the short term. I was just listing it as a significant difference, not necessarily an advantage.

[–]asshatnowhere 0 points1 point ago

true. i would guess its an advantage in the long term. i was never a fan of the previous wire connector. if felt overly complicated and it seemed to be prone to breaking

[–]pugwalker 1 point2 points ago

Reddit constantly whines about how mac computers don't have the same performance as pcs and now they are whining about the new iphone simply because it looks the same as the old one even though it's way faster.

[–]woofers02 -2 points-1 points ago

Shhhhh... you're interrupting the circle-jerk.

[–]harmala 13 points14 points ago

I'm going to buy two new iPhones just to piss you off.

[–]tzfx 13 points14 points ago

Anyone who has tasted Hunts knows it's inferior in every way to Heinz.

[–]Wacocaine 4 points5 points ago

I moved to the Midwest and Hunts is everywhere. It's a slow death...

[–]commonplatypus 1 point2 points ago

Chicago area uses Heinz. Lived here all my life and never seen a restaurant worth it's salt use anything else, even if we do despise the stuff on our hot dogs.

[–]MrMagPi 1 point2 points ago

I was gonna say, I've seen people get cussed out in Chicago asking for ketchup for their hotdogs.

[–]commonplatypus 1 point2 points ago

As it should be.

[–]sleeplessone 1 point2 points ago

Is catsup acceptable?

[–]commonplatypus 0 points1 point ago

Get out.

[–]ohmycar 4 points5 points ago

Can you please tell me where the Burns-Ohs are?

[–]NotTheNews 0 points1 point ago

You made me remember that The Simpsons used to be funny. I'm sad now.

[–]live4hisglory 28 points29 points ago

An upvote for the clever title. However I can see you were browsing the list of GIFs on the front page

[–]moar_noaw 19 points20 points ago

I am already prepared for the reposting of every gif in that album.

[–]Janake 3 points4 points ago

...Did you really just call this a "clever title"?

[–]live4hisglory -2 points-1 points ago

The association between the GIF and the title is what I found to be clever

[–]aladin2233 0 points1 point ago

Damn! I missed out on a lot of karma. Posted this an hour before OP did. http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1030rr/how_the_smart_phone_market_feels_now/

and yes, I was browsing the GIF on the front page : )

[–]ThatIsMyHat -1 points0 points ago

I stopped looking at those around number twelve, so I really don't give a shit. Besides, the title makes it a new joke.

[–]GoddessOfGoodness -3 points-2 points ago

I was thinking the very same thing

[–]Mr_Showtime 0 points1 point ago

I'm a bit curious about what makes this title 'clever'

[–]avery51 5 points6 points ago

Another Iphone joke. So funny.

[–]Verrk 2 points3 points ago

man that 700+ gif collection was a goldmine

[–]Teslanaut 10 points11 points ago

This man has the bravery and defiance of a Spartan Warrior. Must be from an artifact.

[–]Subrotow 0 points1 point ago

Be careful you might start rusting.

[–]mreliotrosewater 8 points9 points ago

HAHAHAHA IPHONES

[–]digitalife 3 points4 points ago

ITT: People who can't afford iPhones bitching.

[–]Etab 2 points3 points ago

Apple headline! Free upvotes!

[–]k-selectride 3 points4 points ago

It would be worth upgrading 4S-> 5 just to get LTE.

[–]thecatgoesmoo 1 point2 points ago

Not sure why you were downvoted, since that is an objectively large upgrade.

[–]overly_sarcastic24 2 points3 points ago

Admit it. You read those bottles in Mr Burns' voice.

[–]Wacocaine 1 point2 points ago

"He's talking to the ketchup now."

[–]partystarter 1 point2 points ago

ha! take that Apple

[–]shadejester 1 point2 points ago

Obviously not a connoisseur of tomato based products

[–]Mrpenguindeluxe 1 point2 points ago

Laughed more at the Gif itself than the joke he was trying to make.

[–]Tesla6009 -1 points0 points ago

I like Malk

[–]tonytown 0 points1 point ago

Now with Vitamin R!

[–]mooslan 1 point2 points ago

Except, Heinz is always the better tasting ketchup.

[–]mistafischa 0 points1 point ago

I watched that for far too long...

[–]SirDawid 1 point2 points ago

Was waiting for the gif to loop for longer than I want to admit

[–]Silvercumulus -2 points-1 points ago

Can someone tell me if I should get an iPhone 4s or a Galaxy S3? I feel like a dunce when it comes to making decisions.

[–]commonplatypus 1 point2 points ago

Obvious bait is obvious.

[–]bahamamamalama 0 points1 point ago

No, both ketchup, but one of them has a taller label.

[–]sirius_star 0 points1 point ago

Decide by how many underpaid asians it took to make

[–]BYPBAB 0 points1 point ago

I really like the star that they have added to the new Iphone 5.

[–]Tekuzo 1 point2 points ago

I have not owned an iPhone since the 3g, I have owned 2 android phones in between, the Motorola Milestone and the HTC Desire HD.

I have really enjoyed all 3 phones, it has been about 3 years since I owned an iPhone so I pre-ordered the iPhone 5 just to see how it compares to my Desire HD. I really wish that I had owned an android phone capable of running ICS / Jellybean to really get a good side by side of the best that both platforms can offer.

[–]ophello 2 points3 points ago

...they're pretty different, actually.

[–]fubes2000 0 points1 point ago

False.

The bottles in the picture are the same size.

[–]Huggernaught 1 point2 points ago

Literally reposted from TODAY.

[–]showmethefever 1 point2 points ago

I've never owned an Apple product in my life and it still pisses me off every time I see someone say "Iphone" instead of "iPhone."

[–]thecatgoesmoo 0 points1 point ago

There are quite a few differences from the 4S to the 5, and even iPhones before the 4S will see major benefit when upgrading.

[–]technicallynottrue 0 points1 point ago

I have a 4s that's new cuz it was only 100$ so I'll be fine probably till the 5s.

[–]ynotbu -1 points0 points ago

Why does everyone hate the iPhone? Sure its over priced and you need to be a douchbag to own one but come on people its a cell phone!

[–]gatsome 0 points1 point ago

I find your snark ironic, OP. I'm pretty tech savvy, but I couldn't do a very good job at correctly naming Android phones by glancing at a picture taken from any one angle. There's what, 3 Droid versions? 3 Galaxy S versions? Hundreds more?

But everyone knows what the iPhone looks like. And I bet most would be able to identify if it's a 4S or a 5 by comparing two pictures. Apple has succeeded at making its products stand apart from their competitors.

Besides, let people buy what they want to own. When my friends grab the latest Android phone on day 1, I'm excited for them. I know firsthand how excited they must feel. It doesn't matter to me that I can't tell the difference between their new one and their old one at first glance.

[–]TheFlyingHobo 0 points1 point ago

I would say say the iphone 5 would look more advanced if they didn't release the iphone 4S

[–]CaptMans 1 point2 points ago

http://i.imgur.com/3dXjQ.gif

Samsung Galaxy SII vs Samsung Galaxy SIII

They're all phones. Stop wasting your time and energy posting redundant bullshit.

[–]Blight_of_Prometheus 1 point2 points ago

If you have an upgrade available and the money to upgrade it makes sense to do so. Most companies have you paying a little extra each month to cover your bi-annual update. So each month that you let your upgrade sit there your cellphone service provider is still taking in a little extra with no benefit to you.

Which is why I will be upgrading to the five. I have the upgrade and feel it's wasteful to let it sit for another year when I can sell my current phone and completely cover the cost of upgrading.

[–]cirillios 0 points1 point ago

As much fun as it is to bad mouth Apple I still feel like the jump to 4G internet is pretty nice. I can look at cat pictures on reddit so much faster!

[–]iwtwe -1 points0 points ago

A little late on this karma train dontcha think?

[–]Mein_Tarnaccount 1 point2 points ago

I don't believe it ever will be.

[–]silentkill144 0 points1 point ago

Thats between the 4 and the 4s.

[–]Endemoniada 0 points1 point ago

iPhone 4 vs iPhone 4S I would have understood, but the 5 is even a different size, color AND shape... How are they that similar?

[–]vSnorklev -4 points-3 points ago

FUCK YOU FUCKER

[–]Geronimo15 -1 points0 points ago

How is this joke already old?

You people have a gift.