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Anyone can draw, they said... (i.imgur.com)

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[–]CrispyPudding 209 points210 points ago

i tried to draw mangas when i was a teenager.

first i tried to just copy what i saw and failed. then i bought a guide how to draw manga and tried to practice it but it just never looked the way i wanted it. as i skipped the first few lessons (i mean, i'm no idiot, i know what drawing means) i went back and the first lesson was about how to draw a straight line.

after one solid hour of trying to draw straight lines i finally knew my problem. i can't draw for shit. i can't draw a straight line even if my life would depend on it. at least i know now why my handwriting sucks. you can't be good at calligraphy if you can't even draw lines.

[–]daewangbo 148 points149 points ago

Drawing is a skill you build over time, not over the course of an hour. You need to continually practice drawing to fine tune your ability to draw whatever it is you're seeing or visualizing. Yes, some people are naturally better at it than others (like everything else), but you can still draw decently with time, patience and practice. Try to draw a different picture every day for a month and I'm sure the last one will be a better representation of what you were trying to draw than the first one.

[–]Dizzywig 84 points85 points ago

It's like learning a new language, with details as your vocabulary

[–]tomat 29 points30 points ago

I like the analogy, thanks for that.

[–]Darth_Hommus 10 points11 points ago

every artist has their own language being their own specific way to draw and create art.

[–]Jackstick 11 points12 points ago

4 semesters of French and je still suck at it.

[–]I-Suck-At-Games 6 points7 points ago

Bleu means blue. I remember that.

[–]DeborahDowner 1 point2 points ago

I'm making that hand signal that means "fuck you" in french.

[–]blewpah 2 points3 points ago

Ahah. Unfortunately taking a class and learning a language aren't necessarily the same.

[–]rushmc1 1 point2 points ago

And, as with language learning, some people do very well with practice and some hardly make any progress at all.

[–]clemoh 19 points20 points ago

I studied art in university. People would say, "wow, I wish I could draw like that!" I would reply, "spend 3 hours a day drawing and you will be an excellent artist."

I have often noticed that you can tell how old someone was when they stopped drawing everyday by what their drawings look like.

[–]flowercup 6 points7 points ago

based off this drawing of a cheeseburger when did I stop drawing?

[–]Asophis 1 point2 points ago

WE HAVE TO KNOW

[–]flowercup 3 points4 points ago

I've been refreshing all day waiting for an answer. I had to miss my brother's wedding because I couldn't leave my computer.

[–]eVaan13 3 points4 points ago

Some people like me, didn't know that you could "learn" to draw. I for once didn't thought that you must practice to achieve great hand and that art is not only a talent. I'm an entry level photog and I know that if I want to be a designer I need to learn to draw. Was surprised when this thread came.

[–]Zaph0d42 9 points10 points ago

that art is not only a talent.

NOTHING is "only a talent". Talent is the most bullshit term I've ever heard.

Nothing comes that way. Everything comes from practice. Some people have a genetic predisposition or they have other skills which synergize, but how did they get those other skills? Practice.

Everything is just practice. Skill. Learning.

People used to ask Eddie Van Halen how he was such an amazing guitarist. He'd say, well, lots of nights I'd be practicing guitar, and my brother would go out to party, and he'd get back at 5 am drunk from the party, and I'd still be there practicing guitar.

That's the reality, folks. Anybody who has "amazing talent" ? They've just happened to put in the necessary 10,000 hours of practice to hit that professional level.

[–]pickledpigtits 4 points5 points ago

And yet his brother, Alex, is considered one of the greatest rock drummers of all time - he gets respect from jazz nazis who typically look down on rock drummers. Go figure ...

[–]coastalbrad 4 points5 points ago

Explain all the terrible golfers and people I know going from shooting 150 to 60's in 6 months.

10,000 hours just makes your terrible technique permanent.

[–]Zaph0d42 2 points3 points ago

Ever hear of a learning curve? You tend to learn the majority of a skill very fast, and then spend a very, very long time making small improvements. There's an exponential slope to advancement.

Also, not all skills are created equally, some need a lot longer, and also not everybody has the same situation. There's thousands and millions of little skills that go into something as complex as golf, and you haven't been around to track all those people you know and their lives and see where each little bit of knowledge and skill comes from.

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      [–]polyology 1 point2 points ago

      Elaborate on that last line?

      [–]Arthaios 5 points6 points ago

      http://www.learningdesign.com/Portfolio/DrawDev/kiddrawing.html Most people are encouraged or discouraged to continue art making by pre-adolescence.

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        [–]MotherFuckingCupcake 0 points1 point ago

        Apparently there is an instructor in my school that has the reputation of being able to teach ANYONE to draw. I've seen friends who draw like 6 year olds take his class and come out with gorgeous, realistic pencil and charcoal portraits. He expects you to work your ass off and put in as much effort to improve yourself as he does helping you. When he's not teaching a class, he's running workshops and encourages every student of his to go to at least one a week.

        Unfortunately, I've never had the chance to take a class with him, so I still can't draw for shit.

        [–]Lokarn 13 points14 points ago

        The problem is: my mind is empty when I think about what I should draw. And when I want to draw something that I picture in my mind it usually comes out as absolute crap.

        [–]Grueling 11 points12 points ago

        start practicing on stuff you can see in front of you, still life studies, an apple or stuff like that.

        when that works for you, it gets so much easier to translate the pictures in your head to paper, since you got the habit of analysing compositions, shadows, highlights and such.

        [–]FuckFaceFagRabbit 1 point2 points ago

        I can draw still lifes great and I can come up with stuff in my mind to draw and see it in my head in detail, but I can not put the two together and draw what is in my head. Have any advice for that?

        [–]Richeh 28 points29 points ago

        Mmm. I always found it particularly frustrating, since the fields that my background is in are maths, physics, electronics; you read it in a book and you're good to go. So long as you remember your shit, you can do it.

        Whereas drawing is different; you can remember all of the rules, and still suck. On the other hand, you don't necessarily have to obey the rules to be good, and you don't always have to concentrate while you're practicing.

        Once you get it to the point where the shit that comes out of your pencil actually pleases you, which is I think probably sooner than you think, the hobby is self-sustaining. I still wouldn't say I'm a good cartoonist, but I found I didn't especially want to get past this stage.

        [–]halloni 1 point2 points ago

        Thats the thing, you don't have to make it look exactly like the tutorial or what have you. Go with something that you are happy with, make it your own style. This is what professional artists do, because they know their own style best.

        I do a lot of digital paintings and such, but whenever I try to learn a certain style I know its not gonna look exactly the same. Unless you are a professionalist you should just have fun with it, not see it as work.

        [–]stareattheart 0 points1 point ago

        There aren't any rules, per se.

        Those who learn to draw via proportions from manga drawing books usually end up being terrible.

        [–]daewangbo 0 points1 point ago

        If your background is spread out over a number of fields, it's not quite the same thing. Think of a pure mathematician. Anyone can learn basic maths, some can even push through into calculus and what not, but not everyone can understand things like topology, non-Euclidean geometry, or group and ring theory.

        [–]jennerality 6 points7 points ago

        Well I think that's the thing though, people are not only amazed at the artist's talent but the hard work they put in as well to reach that point. Yes, people generalize it with the word "talent," but few people really believe that you can just randomly start drawing awesomely. Yeah sure, some people will downplay the hard work part and think that it's all talent or whatever, but that's like everything else that requires effort. It just happens much more with art because art is just more available for various reason (a lot of supply, easy to access, etc) and it is easier to "judge" someone's accomplishment at first sight.

        It's the same thing with being with being an accomplished scientist. I wish I could be as "smart" as them to do whatever they do. It requires a lot of hard work and some of it is tedious shit that doesn't necessarily require a lot of intelligence. And yeah, if I happened to go that path, with the right luck I am sure I could do similarly. But I didn't, and I don't plan to, even though I agree that it would be cool if I did.

        People are just naturally amazed at stuff they themselves can't do. If you persevered enough in art to get to a point where people are constantly amazed, you either loved it enough, kept trying out of pure spite, or saw that you had enough talent to keep on going. And, indirectly, people find that awesome.

        [–]Risifrutti 7 points8 points ago

        Shitty_watercolour comes to mind.

        [–]elustran 3 points4 points ago

        You can get better, but some people have a harder time with it.

        [–]acog 2 points3 points ago

        A great example of what you're talking about is Shitty_watercolour's stuff. His early efforts were mostly pretty awful. The stuff I've seen from him lately is quite good.

        [–]ab26 2 points3 points ago

        My roughly 28 years of drawing, with no real progress would seem to indicate otherwise. My wife who really hasn't bothered to draw much in her life can produce some really great work with no effort, much better than anything I could do. I honestly think it's a gift that you have or your don't. I cannot draw, a line a circle, I cannot draw anything with symmetry, and I cannot reproduce my own signature. I am terrible at it, and she is great at it. I wish I could draw, I really do.

        [–]Sycosplat 5 points6 points ago

        If you can't draw perfectly in an hour, what is the point of even trying at all?

        [–]AvidLoLFan 0 points1 point ago

        I'd argue that it's mostly just practise, that differentiates the good and the bad, and 'natural talent' probably has more to do with people practising from a younger age, and for longer.

        [–]rushmc1 0 points1 point ago

        I think this is true for some, perhaps most. But for some of us, not so much.

        [–]acespace 0 points1 point ago

        I think its just the fact that having to practice drawing straight lines is the most patronizing thing ever is that fuck that bullshit.

        [–]retribute 0 points1 point ago

        When I took art in school, we literally did nothing but draw straight lines on paper for the first week.

        [–]chodechugging 0 points1 point ago

        ATTEMPTING TO MAKE A SERIOUS COMMENT!

        Alright, if anyone struggling with art is reading this, I want you to pay attention very carefully. You don't have to do this to yourself. You can actually quit forever and never return, this is a thing that people can do. You know who you are! Ever since you can remember you felt drawn to art and compelled to draw or whatever. But at the same time you've been spinning around in circles for ages and are very much aware that your art is sub par on every level. Not just in comparison to the works of others, but mostly in comparison to your own intentions and ideas. You might have taken various courses, you might have gone to an art school and you might have spent a forest of pencils drawing practicing anatomy, perspective and everything but it's no good. It looks the same. Put any 2 pieces of yours together and it just looks like the same house with a fresh coat of paint. There's only so much you can build out of 10 lego blocks. And you can't remember the last time you got a new block, or if that happened at all. And looking back at things, all of your pieces that you didn't outright hate only came to be that way due to a series of accidents. You can recall exactly when and how you glitched your way past certain obstacles that were otherwise insurmountable. You lied to yourself for so long trying to convince yourself that it was a legit drawing, not a lucky ink smudge or a peculiar pencil lead effect, that you probably ended up believing it. All in all, if we were to look back on your relationship with art, it would be terribly negative and destructive. I know who you are. I know all these things because I was once like this too. But not any more. You can end this forever and never look back. You can flush this poison out of your life. There's no secret to it, you don't have to be gifted with anything and you don't need to put 10 000 hours into it. You can do it right now and be a different person tomorrow. Roughly 3 years ago I had this "epiphany" of unbelievable clarity, the quote marks are there because I'm not a religious person. And because this was not a religious experience in any way. It was all coming from me. All my years of unaddressed angst, frustration and depression directly caused by my attempts at being an artist, basically all my life at that point, was somehow forcefully concentrated and distilled into this one moment of ultimate serene logic where everything was revealed as it should be. There was no inner monologue or any kind or words that I can write down here, but the gist of my revelation was "WHY DOES THE FLY KEEP BUMPING INTO THE CLOSED WINDOW?". And then I was free. I wasn't sad or angry, in fact, I was the happiest I've ever been in a long time. And that's all there was to it. A lifetime of frustration suddenly ended in less than a minute. The rest of the evening was spent throwing all my crap away. All my "works", paper, pencils, sharpeners, paint brushes and colors. I had no use for these things anymore, I felt like they belonged to another person. You're probably thinking this sounds way too simple to be true and that's my whole point. It's dead simple. This, unlike art, is a thing that truly anyone can do. I hope you found something of value in this comment and to all of those who struggle, please, get rid of the vampire.

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          [–]afrael 16 points17 points ago

          Unless you have issues with motor skills, I'd say your problem was probably more to do with not being able to SEE than not being able to DRAW. Looking at something and actually seeing it enough to be able to reproduce it is wildly different. This is why even the most skilled artists will study references exhaustively. A good way to start seeing shapes and colors (or straight lines) instead of the thing represented by those shapes and colors, is to copy something from an upside-down reference.

          [–]Thethoughtful1 2 points3 points ago

          A good way to start seeing shapes and colors (or straight lines) instead of the thing represented by those shapes and colors, is to copy something from an upside-down reference.

          This is especially true for straight lines.

          [–]bentforkman 0 points1 point ago

          I wish I could up vote this more than once.

          As someone who has had some success teaching drawing this is exactly what gets in most ripples way. This and a mental block formed by believing they can't draw.

          [–]ProbablyFatIRL 7 points8 points ago

          While completely anecdotal, I have gotten first place in state art competitions during high school more than once, but can't write worth crap in either of the languages I'm fluent with. My teacher calls my handwriting "turtle crawl marks".

          [–]MissL 2 points3 points ago

          important question: what does your art look like?

          [–]AvidLoLFan 2 points3 points ago

          Even more important question: what does your turtle look like?

          [–]ProbablyFatIRL 2 points3 points ago

          Eh.... I'm paranoid with giving out information about myself, but what the hell. this and this here are two pieces I did in high school.

          [–]youkaime 16 points17 points ago

          Don't do that- drawing straight lines is what rulers are for. Draw loose, tighten up details later. -From somebody who just realized he is so out of practice...

          [–]arifterdarkly 8 points9 points ago

          although of course being able to draw a straight line is extremely useful and also good practise for drawing with your elbow instead of your wrist.

          [–]cd7k 2 points3 points ago

          Personally I use a pencil. Could be where I'm going wrong I guess.

          [–]youkaime 0 points1 point ago

          confused me for a sec, forgot that point- probably never stopped just using my wrist, myself....

          [–]Darth_Hommus 10 points11 points ago

          I'm no Photorealist but drawing is a huge passion of mine. This is An old drawing Vs My handwriting on a good day. this is a quick brown fox that should be enough proof

          As much as i draw and draw and draw, i've neglected my ability to write. what i find astonishing is that i can look at something complx and draw it, yet i cannot look at someones neat handwriting and replicate it, yet i have many friends who do not draw and have fantastic handwriting.

          [–]Ultimate_MoFo 18 points19 points ago

          Bullshit your handwriting is not neat, that shits legible and quite frankly, its beautiful.

          [–]sukagambar 5 points6 points ago

          Yet handwriting is drawing. Specifically it is a standardized drawing. You can only draw certain lines to create the shape of the letter. But the mechanics behind it is the same as line drawing. You draw certain lines to draw certain shape. You already have the shape in your mind that you want to put down on paper.

          I think the only difference is the education system forces students to write well but do not force them to draw well. This is understandable. But it creates this idea that some people just can never draw at all.

          If everyone can be taught to write, then everyone who is willing can be taught to draw. To go back to the writing analogy, not everybody will be a world-class caligrapher, but if they really have to I think they can produce legible enough writing.

          [–]AvidLoLFan 0 points1 point ago

          Motor memory is your friend in this case. Writing the same shit over and over should just about do it. Not that that's fun or anything :S

          [–]turkturkleton 0 points1 point ago

          You learned to write as a kid when your drawing probably wasn't that great either. Your brain just defaults to your "original" handwriting unless you take the time to practice a new handwriting so that it becomes natural. I have actually purposefully changed my handwriting once, and it took months of constant practice to get it right, just like drawing. For whatever reason, I changed the way I held my pen slightly when I changed my handwriting. If I switch back and hold the pen the way I used to, my handwriting goes back too even though I haven't written like that nearly 15 years. Muscle memory is funny.

          That's why they say to copy signatures upside down. Right side up, you see the letters and your brain tries to go to autopilot and draw the letters the way you've always drawn letters. If you turn it upside down, it looks like random lines, so it's easier to just draw what you see without your brain defaulting to your own handwriting.

          [–]bentforkman 1 point2 points ago

          I think part of the problem is your drawing is based on areas of light and shade as opposed to lines while handwriting is all line. Most artists lean either toward areas of color or delineation.

          "Problem" is probably the wrong word though.

          [–]beck_lack 2 points3 points ago

          I saw this in a tutorial, don't draw straight lines using your wrist to move you pen, use you elbow.

          [–]clemoh 2 points3 points ago

          Also, don't look at the tip of the pencil, look at where you want the line to end. You will make nicer lines.

          [–]Wuggy 0 points1 point ago

          It all depends on the person though. Some can do just fine with their wrist (me on a large part), a lot prefer the elbow, and some even prefer using the shoulder.

          But yeah, generally speaking, you'll probably get better lines if you do them with your elbow instead of your wrist.

          [–]Gluttony4 1 point2 points ago

          Well damn! I didn't know that, but it seems to work really well!

          ...Now if only I had enough space on my desk in a average spree of drawing to actually make use of my elbow.

          [–]linasas123 3 points4 points ago

          I'm pretty good at drawing. My handwriting is just horrible though, I can't even understand what I wrote sometimes.

          [–]youfuckstookallnames 1 point2 points ago

          Most artists tend to have extremely messy handwriting. It's strange how that works.

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            [–]MestR 16 points17 points ago

            i finally knew my problem. i can't draw for shit.

            I wish the majority of deviantART teenagers could realize that too...

            [–]Spo_0n 19 points20 points ago

            But hey, you have to start somewhere.

            It'll all even out eventually. It's fun going back to your "masterpiece" years ago and be really embarresed that you drew that.

            [–]NutellaPie 1 point2 points ago

            I'm sure my dA is terrifying. I have no wish to revisit it's existence. It's a decent, somewhat supportive space to grow in as an artist- and a teenager- though.

            However, people get trapped in there too often and don't look at any other artistic community. Or really 'expand their horizons' in any way. Which contributes to a lot of the cyclical trends that they get stuck in. (Close up colored eye photos, cross dressing fictional characters, various other 'sparkly' bullshit).

            [–]MestR 3 points4 points ago

            Yeah sure, but when you still after drawing for many years still can't draw a manga face in any other direction than from the front (and even then it looks like shit) maybe you should realize that no one else wants to see your shit.

            [–]Spo_0n 6 points7 points ago

            The thing is though, is that it's very hard to judge your own work. For one, the artist him/herself are biased in the fact that they've spent so much time and effort on a drawing, and it's "good" to them, but could be terrible or mediocre to everyone else. Most don't even realize how "shitty" they are.

            Fair critique is often difficult to get and accepted. Most commenters can't give good constructive criticism ("I like it" tells nothing of a picture's strengths nor weaknesses), and even more dare not comment on negative points in fear of dissapointing or discouraging the artist. A lot of "dA teenagers" tend to not be able to take criticism well, and shun bad remarks (haters gonna hate) or give the excuse "this is just my style".

            Perserverence can be a wonderful thing though. Some artists will outgrow that phase eventually, and that's when a lot will actually get more interested in their work and start improving (and look back and laugh at their past work. )

            (:

            [–]Darth_Hommus 6 points7 points ago

            I usually am the most picky person out of all my friends, and being quite blunt, i'll be more biased towards disliking every single artwork i do due to all the small details that no one else picks up on. if i mess up a line of a shape or the rendering is wrong of a neck is just a bit to wide of something that would bother no oen else, it'll stay there, i wont be able to get rid of it therefore that artwork is either incomplete or not good. and so far, i haven't been able to produce a flawless artwork, i've come close but still no pie.

            i find that most people just think my art is incredible or perfect simply due to them not knowing how i did a drawing which is why i have to be my own critic because no one else will be.

            [–]delicatedelirium 1 point2 points ago

            Then there's these ridiculously good artists who criticize their own work and can pinpoint freakishly small details that went wrong in their latest piece of pure heaven. I guess the constant self-punishment may be the reason they got so damn good.

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              [–]Pythosblaze 6 points7 points ago

              As a deviantART user, yes.

              Stop drawing goddamn Sonic fan characters.

              [–]magikbiped 0 points1 point ago

              Hear hear!

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                [–]geft 1 point2 points ago

                The main problem with beginners is the flow of the lines. When you grip your pencil the wrong way (wrong hold or tight grip), your lines are not going to look how you want it to be. Start by practicing good handwriting, because you are probably going to write more than you draw (unless you like to doodle).

                While practice is good, practice everyday. Good manga artists don't just 'get' their current artistic skills. They have to work from scratch. Why do you think there are a lot of manga artists in Japan? Are many of the population inherent artists? No, they just have manga schools. As long as you don't have motor disability, you should be able to draw as well as they, though the time required varies with individuals.

                [–]ENTimate 2 points3 points ago

                I'm an artist with shaky hands. Adapt.

                [–]turkturkleton 1 point2 points ago

                My dad is one of those natural artists, and he would tell me to constantly practice drawing straight lines. Just whenever I had some paper and was able to doodle, he said to draw some straight lines and to try to keep them parallel and evenly spaced. Then do it again with the lines at different angles. Sounds dumb, but if your hand isn't used to doing fine, accurate movements, then yeah, you'll have to practice just drawing a line. Like think about your handwriting when you haven't been in school for a few months and aren't constantly writing out notes and assignments by hand. Your handwriting is like scribbles because you're out of practice, and it takes some time for your hand to remember what to do. I have good handwriting, but it took ages to get it that way. I think girls growing up try to make their handwriting all neat and pretty, and I at least was experimenting for years all through elementary and middle school trying to get my handwriting to look perfect and the way I wanted it.

                [–]Theartiswrong 0 points1 point ago

                The key to drawing straight lines, or smooth curves, is to draw from your shoulder and upper body. This lends momentum to your movement. If you draw with your wrist, you get a lot of chicken scratch.

                [–]orvane 0 points1 point ago

                I like to draw, and like to think my art is slightly decent, but my handwriting is downright atrocious, it would put doctors to shame. So there's still hope of you! Practice, practice, practice!

                [–]NickLee808 1 point2 points ago

                TL;DR: I couldn't do it so I gave up.

                [–]beersticker 0 points1 point ago

                Doodle everyday. Best way to boost creativity and practice with technique and drawing. Check out DeviantArt, they have great user tutorials on just about anything art that helps with techniques.

                [–]BordomBeThyName 0 points1 point ago

                Straight lines aren't as important as curvey ones. Use a ruler if you need to. You're an evolved human being, use your tools.

                Source: about to graduate with an art degree.

                [–]cryoclaire 0 points1 point ago

                Good art is not about "straight lines". It's about shape, volume, proportions, composition.."straight lines" will come with confidence and confidence comes with practice. :)

                [–]ShinyPichu 0 points1 point ago

                I have terrible handwriting but I draw really well, apparently. I can't even hold a pencil right but I still draw better than most people. Keep trying, maybe you'll get there.

                [–]Drawtaru 0 points1 point ago

                I went a similar route to yours, but the difference is that I kept trying. Today I have a stack of how-to-draw-manga books, and a folder with 430 tutorials, and I've been drawing for almost 15 years.

                I don't have anything left from 15 years ago, but here is a comparison between 2001 and 2011.

                [–]Shalmander 0 points1 point ago

                I went to school for illustration and story boarding and I and most people were in a sort of cognitive dissonance about drawing straight lines. We worked very hard and drew a lot, but couldn't consistently draw a straight line. It can be the first tutorial in a book but it's still hard. We even had techniques to aid freehand drawing straight lines and still they didn't always turn out right.

                Took me a few years, but I realized that's part of your underlying style. I don't know if you draw enough, it will give you the ability to draw a straight line, but I can safely tell you those curved lines play a large part in to your style.

                There is also another large cognitive dissonance in drawing where people have to realize they don't know how something looks before they can draw it. We look at people and animals all day and can somewhat picture what they look like in our head. I can clearly tell the difference between a bird, a person, a dog, a cat, and a cow, but you try putting that to paper and suddenly you can get basic proportions right or even the shape of really specific parts: noses, snouts, heads, ears, eyes, etc etc. I mean I've been looking at these things my whole life and some reason I can't put them on paper. If you want a really easy to understand explanation of the whole ordeal, look up "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain." Turns out your brain takes a lot of shortcuts to represent stuff in your mind. You have to realize that your brain represents it as a symbol and you have to update that symbol with more complex proportions and characteristics of the object.

                [–]Zaph0d42 0 points1 point ago

                This is why I hate the idea of "talent" and "gifts" that God gives you and you're born with.

                It doesn't work that way for anybody. Some people just happen to have experiences that translate, already have similar skills, or have a slight advantage from genetic predisposition.

                Strength, speed, dexterity, hand-eye coordination, reaction time, intelligence, memory recall,

                All of these things are muscles which can grow and become better through repeated use.

                This is how the Human body works. Path of least resistance, it only grows what it has to. But if you force it to, if you work it out, then it responds.

                Haven't you guys ever played an RPG? all you have to do is level up a few times.

                [–]I-Suck-At-Games 0 points1 point ago

                I drew my best drawings when I didn't care how it looked. I was just doodling, and sometimes as I was drawing the most random ass image in my mind, I would have a vision and keeping going with it. When I specifically wanted to draw a really good picture, I would be too tense and quickly become frustrated. Just screw around when drawing without any care. Keep calm and relaxed, and try to have fun with it. Like most skills, if you are not having fun and enjoying it, you will never learn it.

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                  [–]Apostolate 259 points260 points ago

                  He should have read the tutorial

                  [–]Wojtek_the_bear 175 points176 points ago

                  now with more steps

                  [–]DroogyParade 189 points190 points ago

                  My favorite.

                  [–]learntofart 125 points126 points ago

                  Works better for cats

                  [–]halcyonera 16 points17 points ago

                  BOB ROSS

                  BOB ROSS EVERYWHERE

                  [–]Lurking_Grue 4 points5 points ago

                  Happy Little Clouds...

                  [–]nova20 1 point2 points ago

                  God damnit, now I'm going to waste the rest of my afternoon watching youtube videos of Bob Ross and crying over the loss of such a kind, gentle man.

                  WHY DID YOU HAVE TO LEAVE US, HAPPY PAINTER?

                  [–]Lurking_Grue 2 points3 points ago

                  To think he originally was an air force Drill Sergeant.

                  [–]Kiassen 56 points57 points ago

                  http://i.imgur.com/PGnk3.gif

                  [–]spraypaintinur3rdeye 56 points57 points ago

                  http://imgur.com/4r15j

                  [–]Thesteelwolf 13 points14 points ago

                  This is the best reversed gif ever.

                  [–]SPER 0 points1 point ago

                  You are not tagged as catdick

                  [–]flyingcupoftea 32 points33 points ago

                  How to draw a dragon

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                    [–]andyac 101 points102 points ago

                    How to draw a circle

                    [–]eagleis25 1 point2 points ago

                    That's my favorite

                    [–]xLuMisx 49 points50 points ago

                    Tutorial wasn't clear enough. I got my dick stuck in my ceiling fan.

                    [–]TotalBro420 24 points25 points ago

                    Swing and a miss!

                    [–]Forever_Awkward 15 points16 points ago

                    No, I'm pretty sure he hit it. That's how it got stuck.

                    [–]himynameiserica 1 point2 points ago

                    Asshole. I just choked on my Cap'n Crunch.

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                      [–]Haitch909 0 points1 point ago

                      Hmm... Needs more circles.

                      [–]TheExtremistModerate 16 points17 points ago

                      Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWmF-bJj5Xs

                      [–]arghnard 12 points13 points ago

                      All I ever drew as a child was mostly Super Saiyan hair.

                      I would draw the contours of the face, draw the banana-like spikes, then cry myself to sleep cause I couldn't do the rest.

                      [–]NeuroSynapse 27 points28 points ago

                      Drawing is a skill that takes a lifetime to master, I am taking a photo-realistic drawing class right now, the expectations are mind numbing. I probably spent a good 15-20 hours drawing a single tree.

                      [–]grzzzly 9 points10 points ago

                      How long would you say it takes an average person to become decent (as in: able to draw mildly impressive faces and expressions and maybe an accurate cartoon character) if they start around 20? I think drawing is fucking cool but I'm scared it's too late to start.

                      [–]aGreenStreetHooligan 22 points23 points ago

                      It takes 10,000 hours of dedicated and focused productive practice to become a master at something.

                      That said, if you want to lean how to draw, then just do it. Grab some figure drawing books and try to draw every page in it. Look at any artist you can find inspiration from and draw their drawings and do it over and over. fuck, attend figure drawing classes.

                      There are people who at 30 decide to become artists and become amazing and successful through sheer practice and determination.

                      It's never too late. It's not a sport of the body where you can reach an age where it's too late. You can always train your eye and your mind dude, so grab some good pencils and get to work.

                      It's just practice man. You just have to do it. If its fun, you'll get good at it and you'll do it quicker because you'll WANT to practice

                      [–]grzzzly 7 points8 points ago

                      The problem is that the beginning - as always - is bumpy and slow. My pictures don't look good and when you attempt and fail at a technique (for example I tried a folding cloth and it looked like nothing in the end) it can be a little disheartening.

                      But then again, the beginning to playing fucking DotA and Street Fighter was also bumpy and I still kept going until I was good. Except that wasn't a >real< skill. I guess I just need to keep going.

                      [–]aGreenStreetHooligan 9 points10 points ago

                      Dude it's always discouraging at first. Study up and learn don't just try to figure it out yourself. Buy Henry yans figure drawing book. If you want a list of a couple good books to get you started i can write something up. Their are some great ones with great monochromatic studies in them that also talk some light theory (just mild ideas of proportions and the like, most can be learned just by practice)

                      Remember it's dedicated practice. Da Vinci wasn't born a great artist and contrary to popular belief Mozart wasn't born a great composer. They had determination, drive and talent yes but it wasnt until they had out in their time that they did the work that they're known for.

                      I know you aren't trying to be the next da Vinci but be careful. Art is addictive.

                      [–]ZoidBorg_MD 3 points4 points ago

                      I have taken your advice! I decided there is no better time to start then now.

                      Here is my first piece: http://i.imgur.com/abM0w.png

                      How long before I can draw like the picture in the link

                      [–]mastertje 4 points5 points ago

                      Those are some straight lines man. 10,000 hours my ass!

                      [–]Tendie 6 points7 points ago

                      Heh, if you actually free-handed that, that would be pretty fucking impressive.

                      [–]Schmogel 2 points3 points ago

                      Take ShittyWatercolour as an example. I trust him that he's not been a decent painter in the first place, but now he really established is style after lots of hard work and positive feedback from the community. While he didn't even try to become better according to his username. And he became incredibly fast.

                      [–]Darth_Hommus 0 points1 point ago

                      I use artistic porn as figures. i like how light moves on skin and it's always aesthetically pleasing. generally i find that each artworks that you do teaches you more about the way you draw. every artwork i do is a next step, never at the same level. i would recommend this to everyone because i see a lot of people who just find a comfort zone and dont push themselves to be better or explore new materials or techniques.

                      [–]grzzzly 0 points1 point ago

                      Could you name some good books about the topic? I'm a book-guy so I always appreciate those for learning.

                      To be honest, I actually really like Da Vincis drawing style as in the way he shades. It looks awesome.

                      [–]Loopo 1 point2 points ago

                      The road ahead of you will be long when you start a new skill. It can seem daunting -or- you can see it as a lot of room for improvement. Don't concentrate on the big picture; focus on the small gains that you will make. You will climb to at least "decent" faster than you realize if you stay focused on making small improvements.

                      [–]another_single_dad 1 point2 points ago

                      The problem is that the beginning - as always - is bumpy and slow.

                      So? To accomplish big tasks, you have to appreciate progress. It doesn't matter what your first 500 attempts look like as long as the 50th attempt is better than the first, the 250th is better than the 50th, etc...

                      "I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That is why I succeed."

                      P.S. Just this weekend my son and I grabbed some figure drawing books from the library because he wanted to learn how to draw. I've always been adamant that I "have no artistic ability whatsoever", but I'm really enjoying the process of learning this.

                      I'm light-years away from being able to independently create drawings, of course, but I can already follow the step-by-step instructions and make recognizable figures. More importantly, I'm starting to understand how an artist takes a big image and breaks it into manageable chunks.

                      [–]Kaeltro 1 point2 points ago

                      That said, if you want to lean how to draw, then just do it. Grab some figure drawing books and try to draw every page in it.

                      The same thing works for music as well, just pick up a song book from the local sam ash and practice...of course you're not going to sound very good at first (at least I didn't) but if you keep at it, anything can be accomplished!

                      [–]Richeh 0 points1 point ago

                      I think that's a bit discouraging. It probably does take 10,000 hours to master a field. It probably takes something like a hundred and fifty to become "pretty good, better than most people". Maybe 25 - 50 to get to the point where you can see your overall improvement and really start to respect your own work.

                      I can see how it's frustrating to artists to see everybody looking for the cheat codes for their vocation; everyone wants their talent but doesn't want to work for it, and looking for simple rules that tell you how to reproduce their work is massively disrespectful. That said, "If you want to be an artist then just put the work in" has never been useful advice. It's like hitting someone with a wall of required effort upfront. It's always struck me as a bit mean and exclusionary.

                      [–]kriti-dee 6 points7 points ago

                      I was in a course with this guy who wanted to be a sculpture artist but couldn't draw. Our teacher kept telling him he needed to grasp the basics of drawing to move past concepts to "mock ups" and then into his work - I partly believe this but that is besides the point. 6 months later, after an intense 16 hours of drawing classes per week - both literal and experimental - and this guy was one of the most prolific illustrators in my class, and I was blown away at his progress. He was also colour-blind, yet his paintings were not "jumbled". I mean, this guy could have been über blessed with natural skills, but otherwise was a 22 year old guy who became an illustrator almost instantly (albeit an abstract one). It had taken me 16 years to get to where I was at. I thought it was pretty amazing.

                      Anyways, just give it a go and expect the first few weeks to be really bad. But if you stick it out I reckon you'll learn to draw.

                      [–]grzzzly 1 point2 points ago

                      My attitude to most things in life is that talent does exactly to things: It increases the speed at which you learn something, and it increases the ultimate limit at which you skill converges. However, I think that with dedication anyone can do anything at least moderately well.

                      The only worry I had is that drawing may be such a complicated technique that it could take an average person at an "older" age too long to be a worthwhile attempt.

                      But you guys really encourage me to keep going.

                      [–]steeenah 2 points3 points ago

                      One of my teachers who has been working with storyboarding for around 20 years, said not too long ago that he is today at the level he wanted to be when he started. 20 years and hundreds of storyboards ago...

                      There are two major brick walls you're gonna have to deal with before you ever have a chance of becoming good with drawing. Neither of them has anything to do with drawing though. They are:

                      1. Thinking you are bad.
                      2. Thinking everyone else are better than you.

                      If you can work around these discouraging thoughts, you're well on your way to success already. If you can draw for the fun of it, enjoy the process of learning, enjoy getting criticism, you WILL become good sooner or later.

                      [–]aparimana 2 points3 points ago

                      i learned when i was about 20 using the book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

                      not that i became a great artist, but i learned to draw realistically from life, which was pretty satisfying (i started at the stick-men level)

                      http://www.drawright.com/

                      [–]Ppleater 2 points3 points ago

                      It's different for everybody. I've been drawing my whole life and I'm still only above average, while people almost half my age are recreating the Mona Lisa. The most common, and most important advice for any beginner is practice. Motherfucking practice. Before technique, before talent, before understanding, there is practice. If you want to be good, just draw all the fucking time. Research anatomy, look at things, observe other artists, and never stop drawing.

                      [–]blowing_chunks 1 point2 points ago

                      This thread (and your post) reminds me of this:

                      http://vimeo.com/29510470

                      The original forum thread is here:

                      http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=870

                      [–]NeuroSynapse 1 point2 points ago

                      Well it will take you at least a couple years before you feel comfortable with perspective I am an animator I have done hand drawn animations and they are extremely difficult.

                      [–]Dantayl 1 point2 points ago

                      The rate of your improvement depends entirely on how you practice. You could spend years drawing and hardly improve, or you can see drastic improvement within the first year of starting.

                      Those who start drawing often get stuck in a loop of practicing the same things over and over, becoming better at them, but never practicing anything else. More often than not, their artworks ends up looking exactly the same and they don't develop their understanding in any other key features.

                      Learning to draw at 20 is perfectly fine, I wouldn't worry about your age. You could be 70 and become a great artist by 75, it just depends on how you spend your time learning.

                      [–]stareattheart 1 point2 points ago

                      I'd say around 5 years, if you really start being analytical about your stuff.

                      I can draw accurate portraits now (I'm 19), I started being serious about art at 11. But I don't know, it could take shorter for you.

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                        [–]ProjectCano 0 points1 point ago

                        Can i get a glimpse of what they teach you?

                        [–]NeuroSynapse 4 points5 points ago

                        This is a crappy photo I took on my phone of a drawing I did, bear in mind I am not a great drawer i am "ok" in the grand scheme of things. I wish I could show you some of the other students work. In any case it's done in pencil, rendered image on top of contour.

                        http://i.imgur.com/GROl8.jpg

                        [–]Darth_Hommus 0 points1 point ago

                        What defines a photorealistic drawing. i've been teaching myself to draw for years and i am curious as to how to define it.

                        [–]rushmc1 0 points1 point ago

                        Funny how some are so good at it in their 20s, then.

                        [–]Quazz -1 points0 points ago

                        I can't even draw simple representations...

                        [–]ChipotleM 32 points33 points ago

                        My roommate is currently asleep and I had to leave the room to keep from waking him up because this made me laugh so hard. I'm not sure why but that just made my night. Thank you.

                        [–]Hotrootsoup 9 points10 points ago

                        You should probably thank Mattelliot1234 though.

                        [–]Angry__Jonny 7 points8 points ago

                        this is agnes cecile, amazing artist. I've been following her work for a long time, its very inspiring.

                        link http://agnes-cecile.deviantart.com/

                        [–]KatyLove 2 points3 points ago

                        She is one of my favorite artists. I want one of her originals, but they sell so fast.

                        It's nice to find another fan!

                        [–]Jackstick 2 points3 points ago

                        Oh good, it's a female. That means I can fall in love with her, instead of jealously hate her.

                        [–]wyldlife21 5 points6 points ago

                        Youtube Link to the video

                        [–]Mfombe 7 points8 points ago

                        i believe this one is missing

                        [–]SirRosie 10 points11 points ago

                        I've been there. I used to get so frustrated drawing I'd break shit.

                        [–]scorpion347 6 points7 points ago

                        I believe it was "Stonewall" Jackson who had an art teacher at West Point tell him that all art is is drawing lines. There are two types of lines, straight lines and curved lines. If you can do that you poses the skill to draw, you just have to figure out when and where to draw them.

                        [–]SpamFilterHatesMe 2 points3 points ago

                        That's how Hitler got pissed.

                        *Scheisse!

                        /breaks palette/

                        I can't draw a fuckin' tree, I'm gonna KILL EVERYBODY!

                        [–]antwilliams89 2 points3 points ago

                        Hitler was actually a fairly decent artist.

                        [–]AvidLoLFan -1 points0 points ago

                        Yeah; after he'd taken his frustration out on everyone else ¬¬.

                        [–]Tendie 0 points1 point ago

                        If only he could count to ten...

                        [–]hogiewan 0 points1 point ago

                        I can't get the fuckin' trees! Damn, I will kill everyone in the world!

                        [–]Kidsturk 2 points3 points ago

                        "Can't get der fuckink treez,GAH I MUST KILL EVERYONE IN DER WHOLE VORLD"

                        -Adolf Hitler

                        (via Eddie Izzard)

                        [–]kernelPanicked 1 point2 points ago

                        link

                        [–]Lolazaurus 2 points3 points ago

                        That's because they weren't happy trees.

                        [–]SaganAllMyLoveForYou 7 points8 points ago

                        I know that feel.

                        [–]ComplainsAboutDvotes 2 points3 points ago

                        Draw your own porn. Seriously can't go wrong with that. Even if it's just fuckin' stickfigures.

                        [–]Pythosblaze 1 point2 points ago

                        Note for all budding artists out there:

                        TAKE FIGURE DRAWING CLASSES. Take lots of them. Trust me, it will help you regardless of what you draw. I draw shit like this, and figure drawing classes still helped me a huge amount.

                        Getting good at drawing the figure will help you to be better at mimicking the real world. You will learn lighting, proportion, how to bullshit convincing musculature on made-up things, and it will even help you draw faster.

                        [–]VslachaTurbo Sloth 2 points3 points ago

                        I've always felt the same way. That's why I draw with MS paint, so everybody's expectations are already low.

                        [–]redditor3000 3 points4 points ago

                        I was just browsing the new que and this was a diamond in the rough. Fuck art's beautiful

                        [–]Blagginspaziyonokip 2 points3 points ago

                        DISREGARD THIS I SUCK COCKS

                        [–]SomeRandomBlackGuy 4 points5 points ago

                        Qeue*

                        Queue*

                        [–]littlemissprefect 2 points3 points ago

                        Queue, I think you mean?

                        [–]SkyNTP 4 points5 points ago

                        All you gotta do is add some happy little trees.

                        [–]Rtbender 1 point2 points ago

                        It's actually easy. Just draw a circle, then add some lines.. BOOM, perfect draw

                        [–]bobsomeguy 0 points1 point ago

                        I am just in awe of people that have that kind of talent. I can't even draw convincing stick figures, much less anything that would resemble an actual person.

                        It's probably for the best though, no one else should have to witness the warped creations my diseased mind comes up with.

                        [–]ddecay 0 points1 point ago

                        it's really surreal to see agnescecile on the front page of r/funny

                        [–]frank_rabbit 0 points1 point ago

                        AMA request: Mattelliott1234 with his tree drawing.

                        [–]Sirusavath 0 points1 point ago

                        You know how in art class they said "A for effort," yeah, that's total bullshit.

                        [–]gngrbrdmn 0 points1 point ago

                        Holy shit, that was the hardest I've laughed in awhile. Thank you.

                        [–]KingNak -1 points0 points ago

                        Random and just curious. Am I the only one cursed by the trip 2's? I see 222 everywhere I go and even try to avoid it... then this post... it's after me, man.

                        [–]icanonlylol 0 points1 point ago

                        is there a subreddit for youtube comments?

                        [–]fugz_bunny 1 point2 points ago

                        Like what he said.

                        How do people come up with any type of drawing. I mean how do people visualize? hows that possible? even If I tryed in my mind, its just blank! I've seen some crazy drawings, dont see how its possible. They must be extremely lucky to have a vivid imaginations I'd say.

                        I'm a good copy cat though, drawings, signatures so forth. Cant draw anything from mind but I can copy others.

                        I'm thinking probably just like others have said, takes time and practice. Would like to understand the whole "visualizing" process. Bah oh well.

                        [–]Sneaky_Zebra 0 points1 point ago

                        I really want to see this tree

                        [–]gorillaz6399 0 points1 point ago

                        Go so angry

                        Sir, do you know how angry you were going?

                        [–]BeerPowered 0 points1 point ago

                        Tree, you say?

                        [–]GasaiYuno 0 points1 point ago

                        Anyone can draw. Not everyone can become a great artist; but a great artist can come from anywhere.

                        [–]DarKnightofCydonia 1 point2 points ago

                        One of the tutors (not mine) for my Architectural History and Theory subjects (essays and drawing) gave the lecture theatre a lesson on drawing. "Everyone can draw" he said. "It's not a talent as most people think, it's a skill, and skills can be learned." I'd say I'm a pretty good drawer, but it takes a LOT more time for someone to learn how to draw through sheer determination than it does for someone who already has the talent. With talent you can only improve, without it you have to learn from scratch. And it's hard.

                        For anything photorealistic (or close to it) you need to have put an insane amount of attention into every detail, making sure everything is perfectly in proportion with everything else. If you don't have an obsessive personality it's hard to care about such things and it goes wrong. This is something I've drawn for architecture, it's a drawing of a drawing of an imaginary Prison drawn by Piranesi, took me 8+ hours all up. To get the details and proportions right you just need to obsess over everything, without losing your mind in the process.

                        [–]Baryn 0 points1 point ago

                        ...SO I DREW A GOD

                        [–]Grueling 0 points1 point ago

                        and they can.

                        They just don't tell you that it's a skill trained and honed over many years.

                        I get the usual "I'm so jealous that you can draw like that" diatribe often, it pisses me off that they literally think I just picked up a brush and did a Picasso the first time.

                        B... please, I've spent nigh on 40 years getting to where I am now!

                        [–]binjuice 0 points1 point ago

                        Lol'd so hard my gf asked me wtf I just watched

                        [–]leandm 0 points1 point ago

                        "I can't get ze fuckin' trees! Damn! I will kill everyone in za vorld!" - Hitler according to Eddie Izzard

                        [–]AbsintheKid 1 point2 points ago

                        It's called practice, they said.

                        [–]marishtar 1 point2 points ago

                        My high school art teacher said that we should all be able to draw, since we all had two hands. I hated him. It was satisfying that he got fired. But he just stopped coming in to teach as soon as he found out he wouldn't be returning the next year. That was two months before Summer.

                        [–]Stocaz 0 points1 point ago

                        Did they say that anyone can draw well?

                        [–]Pandorasbox64 0 points1 point ago

                        I can draw really well, but my hand writing is terrible.

                        [–]Crannynoko 0 points1 point ago

                        Even as a good artist you judge yourself all the time, it's really frustrating.

                        [–]Jemnite 0 points1 point ago

                        how the fuck do people get to the front page, i tried to submit a link yesterday and go so angry i had to lay down and count to ten

                        [–]lobehold 0 points1 point ago

                        Anyone can draw.... if you set your standards low enough.

                        [–]solarsavior 0 points1 point ago

                        Tree trunks are gray, not brown.

                        [–]JewelsMonkey 0 points1 point ago

                        I think I am somewhat good at drawing portraits...I can't draw a tree for shit.

                        [–]FallenSnow 0 points1 point ago

                        Yeah, it took practise and time to make my crappy drawings into art.

                        [–]Avuja 0 points1 point ago

                        The video(s) in the OP are what prompted me to go out and spend about $150 on watercolor paint supplies... it didn't go well... at all......

                        She made it look so freaking easy lol, like the Italian Bob Ross of watercolors.

                        [–]whats_the_deal22 0 points1 point ago

                        I'm was in such a shitty mood. This made me CRY while laughing so hard. My co-workers are wondering what the fuck I'm doing, but I don't care, I feel so much better.

                        [–]Floydimer 0 points1 point ago

                        I laughed harder at this than anything else I've seen on Reddit today.

                        [–]Nijikokun 0 points1 point ago

                        Ah my favourite artist who utilizes my favourite bands in her artwork videos. Now to add to it, a great comment.

                        [–]LadyTurtles 0 points1 point ago

                        I get so frustrated and confused with these kinds of comments. I'm an artist and art student and it's annoying (and yet amusing) to hear people say "Wow I can only draw stick figures" or "How are you so good!?"

                        I didn't get my art talent over night. I practiced.. Since I knew how to draw I was drawing, all the time. I have hundreds of sketchbooks and loose-leaf pieces of paper filled with drawings. But it's not just drawing, it's getting your own style and developing it. I tried to hard to draw anime-like for a long time, but I'd been reading more comic books and decided I'd shoot for drawing Storm from the X-Men and it turned out amazing. So I stopped trying to make things look a certain way and just did what I knew what I could do and expanded from there.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

                        Kid needs to watch some Bob Ross - that man is like the Yoda of the painting world.

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